I'll ask again: How will a Democratic Socialist work with Tea Bag Republicans?

[trumad]

And please ... No more Ponies.

[wyldwolf]

1. ok...

[trumad]

2. Ah hah.

That's it!

[RobertEarl]

57. What is interesting to me

Is how so many of you have completely given up on the Democrats taking over congress.

You have given up on the party. I just can't figure if it is the leadership of the party you have quit on, or whether it is the capabilities of the people to vote the r's out.

Either way, I find it quite disgusting to see so many just lie down and give up on taking back congress.

[KittyWampus]

79. what's interesting to me is that you either forget or ignore the gerrymandering

that won't be overcome for quite a while no matter what inroads Dems make in the immediate future.

[stone space]

3. How does anybody work with Teabaggers?

Your question is a lot more about Teabaggers than it is about Bernie or about socialism.

[trumad]

5. Not really.

He become Prez...he gonna have to work with them to pass his Socialist Agenda.

[stone space]

6. True of any Prez

He become Prez...he gonna have to work with them to pass his Socialist Agenda.

Which is why I say it's not really a question about socialism or about Bernie.

It's a question about Teabaggers.

[virtualobserver]

16. not if his movement sweeps away Republican control of the House and Senate

[haikugal]

33. Socialist agenda?

[trumad]

34. He's a Democratic Socialist is he not?

[haikugal]

37. Socialist agenda is straight out of baggerland.

What the hell are you talking about? Specifically.

[KittyWampus]

80. is Bernie a Democratic Socialist or not? Does he have an agenda or not?

Sanders regularly rails against both Democrats and Republicans.

So yeah, what exactly is his Democratic Socialist agenda?

I am essentially a Democratic Socialist and have no problem verbalizing my agenda.

It's sort of pathetic his supporters are so touchy.

[haikugal]

88. Not touchy thanks for that...

I'm laughing at the memes being generated one after another with little or no information. Socialist agenda is a very Rovian way of expressing yourself.

Bernie has made his thoughts known consistently so I'm sure you're aware of what he wants to do, why he wants to do it and how he plans to do it.

This 'agenda' is working FOR the majority of people in our country not the rich and super rich, not the Banks, MIC, etc..FOR We The People.

Socialist Agenda....

[Hortensis]

20. You tie a piece of enemy meat to a stick and dangle it in front of them

while you poke them from behind with their many fears. The Kochs and the various Citizens United-type groups have it down almost to a science.

[madinmaryland]

4. Uhmmm...

How will ANYONE be able to work with Teabaggers. Even the republican party can't work with them.

[retrowire]

55. THIS

seriously.

and his movement would have the momentum to wash out that house.

[madinmaryland]

56. What ever you are smoking is going to be legalized in Ohio next month...

Don't forget that Barack Obama had the same momentum going into and after his election and we have seen what happened.

BTW, you can pass one over to me.

[retrowire]

58. he didnt have the same momentum

hardly. Obama didn't inspire me. Bernie did. I'm certain that there are many like myself.

Bernie has more support now than Obama did at the same time.

[cprise]

69. Bernie is calling for a democratic revolution. That means we vote most of them out!

Midterms like 2014 should NOT happen.

And if the Party machinery gives you crappy candidates to work with, then you lodge protest votes instead of staying home gazing at your Facebook wall.

Speaking of terrible midterms, Debbie Wasserman Schultz should be removed the DNC chair.

[99th_Monkey]

7. Like this: He is trustworthy.

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Daily Kos:
Republicans for Bernie Sanders
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/23/1395700/-Republicans-for-Bernie-Sanders

did you know that something like 21% of Republicans in Vermont favor Bernie over virtually any GOP nominee?

No cigar for you .

[Vinca]

9. Bernie was at the top of the heap in a recent Vermont poll of GOP primary candidates.

[99th_Monkey]

24. Exactly! Bernie's a straight arrow, and many Republicans respect that

even if he had the current House circus going on, I bet he could get enough
non-teabagger Republicans to work with Dems to get shit done.

At the very least, he could do it WAY more effectively than any Clinton could.

[trumad]

35. Vermont.

Whatever!

[99th_Monkey]

39. Funny how if a former Rand Paul supporter, now supports Bernie, it's "oh horrors!"

from Hillary supporters. I'm speaking of course of H.A. Goodman, who
writes for HuffPo, and pens very favorable articles about Bernie
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/

OK Rand isn't quite a card-carrying Teabagger, but still. Do you see the duplicity,
insisting that Sanders has no appeal to conservative Republicans and can't work
with them?

Esp. given how utterly hated the Clintons are by conservatives & tea-baggers.

[AZ Mike]

8. This is a fallacy.

No one is suggesting that ANYONE can work with Teabaggers. Let's turn this around - "I'll ask again: How will Hillary Clinton work with Tea Bag Republicans?"

That's an equally valid question with an identical answer.

Because if anything is true, we all know that the past 23 years has demonstrated Republican (let alone Teabaggers) willingness to work with Clintos of any kind....

[trumad]

10. Not a fallacy.

Pushing a Socialist agenda on a republican congress ...ok..good luck with that.

[AZ Mike]

21. It's a complete fallacy.

If Hillary is the nominee, do you think they won't pull the "socialist" card on her? I don't know what your fears or delusions are, but these are not cooperative people you're talking about. Hell, Jindal already has his talking point of "honest socialist" when he talks about Bernie to INSINUATE that Hillary is a hidden socialist.

But, you go your way with this, dude.

[Warren Stupidity]

43. OIC you are back to the red-baiting meme.

The only way any Democratic president is going to get anything done with congress is to have a Democratic congress.

It is that simple.

[KittyWampus]

82. Is Bernie a freaking Socialist OR NOT. You can't have it both ways here. It's blatant hypocrisy.

It's too stark to ignore anymore.

SANDERS.IS.A.SOCIALIST.

Pointing that out and that he regularly talks about his ideal version of reality isn't "red-baiting".

It's just his supporters being very thin skinned and unable to face the truth about Sanders.

[Warren Stupidity]

87. Yes he is a democratic socialist.

Do you have a problem with democratic socialist reforms like Medicare , Social Security, OSHA?

[haikugal]

89. They'll never use those two words together..it doesn't elicit the correct knee jerk response.

Democratic Socialist just sounds so much less threatening than SOCIALIST!

Yeah, that's the ticket they're thinking....I'm thinking sickening and Hilarious.

[LynnTheDem]

71. "pushing a socialist agenda"

What total bullshit.

[phantom power]

11. Exactly, the premise is wrong.

The selling point for Sanders is he won't waste time trying to "work with them."

[cascadiance]

17. How will Hillary Clinton work with Tea Bag Republicans that don't like TPP & H-1b taking their jobs?

... like the way Donald Trump is working with them, albeit on their side many of them do so with xenophobic feelings...

Bernie could probably work many of those Republicans better than Hillary can, AND for the benefit of American workers!!!!

[arcane1]

52. Don't hold your breath, for that question never gets answered.

And we all know the reason why.

[Broward]

12. May be he won't, but at the very least a Bernie presidency would stop the bleeding.

Also, some times you have to play the long game. Just getting his message out and changing the conversation is a positive in and of itself.

[Hortensis]

13. I just watched a trashy CNN piece shallowly comparing Bernie and Trump.

No discussion of substance at all, where, of course, they are dramatically different.

BUT, the handful of clips they played did show that both spoke very simple sentences with few words in tones of great conviction. "We need to do this." "We need to stop that."

We know that's been working for Trump on the hard right, and when he's gone his followers will probably switch someone else who speaks with the same absolute conviction without bothering them with ambiguity or nuance and obviating any need to, like, think. When substance is mostly irrelevant, why not Bernie? I say he's got a real shot, especially if he tosses in a few dogwhistles. Heck, just hissing a bit each time he says "Hillary" may do it.

Ross Perot had it too. He turned out to be certifiable, but he was wildly popular while held it together. "If you see a snake, just kill it -- don't appoint a committee on snakes." Now THERE'S a man who could make ISIL go away with one hand tied behind him, and it'd be beuootiful.

[Vinca]

14. In the same way Hillary Clinton will.

I don't get this question. No one can work with the baggers. It doesn't matter if it's a socialist, capitalist or any other "ist." They're just there . . . like the moss that grows on the dark side of your roof. And like moss, they can only be dealt with in one way: removal.

[BernieFan57]

15. The implication is that we should elect someone that plays well with them.

And we already know a few things about that.

The leading candidate has explicitly said that she is a centrist and will work, on the first day, with the opposition.

So, really, to us it's a valuable characteristic for our president to draw certain lines based on integrity and principle.

[Hortensis]

25. No, just who appeals initially. Hitler and his party had Germany's

angry, resentful, fed-up crowd figured out. They cast a very broad, populist net appealing to anti-establishment resentment and insistence on change, as much change as possible uber alles. They satisfied the crowd's hostility and aggression by telling the people just who and what to blame, focusing them on easy targets.

Of course they were an extreme far-right party, but they sold themselves as mainstream and promised an anxious nation to protect their fatherland from its enemies, protect that old-time religion from secularism, and protect the traditional family from daughters who wanted to rouge their knees and get their own apartments. (Sound at all familiar?)

And very to this point, while they were at it they tossed "socialist" into their name to pick up more of the resentful fed-ups they didn't already have from the left too. It worked, as we know.

[Aerows]

18. Tea Bag Republicans

can't even work with other Tea Bag Republicans.

You are asking why selfish and contentious people can't get along with selfish contentious people, and then wondering why selfish contentious people can't get along with people that aren't selfish and/or contentious.

[elleng]

19. More important, how will ANY Democratic POTUS work with Tea Bag repugs?

I don't see the 'socialist' stuff as so important, given the inclinations of the nay-saying tea buggers, but I do think it will take an experienced executive who has woven his way around legislative bodies and executive agencies to accomplish much. THAT POTUS would be Martin O'Malley, no other Democratic candidate has such experience (except maybe Lincoln Chafee.)

[Aerows]

22. It's like asking how can a scientist work with a person

that believes the earth is flat, or how can you convince somebody that we actually made it to the moon that doesn't believe it.

You really can't.

Teabaggers are like three year old kids being told it is time for bed, and their argument is "I don't want to, and you stay up late, so you do it too!"

The only way to deal with that type of behavior is to navigate around it, ignore them and do what has to be done anyway, and to appeal to the American public which is for the most part fed up with tea party lunatics and bigots.

[pscot]

23. There are proven methods

[orpupilofnature57]

26. Same as anybody who isn't Shrub, tolerate them and let them speak, and read ' Green eggs and ham '

[left-of-center2012]

27. Tea Partiers hate Clintons more than Socialist Democrats

How can Hillary work with them?

[magical thyme]

28. how did a socialist muslin born in Kenya work with the teabaggers?

Eventually he got smart and started relying on executive powers, because there is no way to work with teabaggers.

Look at what they did to Boehner, for crying out loud...

[billymayshere]

29. What difference does it make?

She will be treated with the same hostility as a Sanders presidency. What difference does it make?

[artislife]

44. More hostility.

She is very polarizing....

[FloridaBlues]

30. Good question

[ibegurpard]

31. Well they havent worked with a corporatist Democrat

Except on corporate trade deals. So your question seems a little silly. Boehner ' s not conservative enough for them. Perhaps we should nominate Ted Cruz?

[Turbineguy]

32. Well, Bernie does have an unfair advantage.

A brain.

[Matariki]

36. Even Republicans can't work with Tea Bag Republicans

How do you work with people who refuse to work with anyone that doesn't agree with them 101%?

What sort of question are you asking?

[HooptieWagon]

38. When will teabaggers stop investigating Clinton?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

40. I hope we find out.

[Warren Stupidity]

41. The entire Republican congress has been in refuse to participate mode

for the last 6 years. Nothing would change with a Clinton or Sanders presidency.

[sadoldgirl]

42. That depends on the new speaker.

If the new speaker gives up on the Hastard rule,
then any dem POTUS might get a little done.

As long as that rule is conserved, there is no chance.

[artislife]

45. Do you think they are ever going to let Boehner go?

He might have to walk out and leave them to it!!

[Cheese Sandwich]

46. With a mass movement AKA political revolution

[hifiguy]

47. The better question is perhaps

how can any SANE person work with people who are demonstrably and unquestionably batshit fucking crazy in every possible way?

NO Democrat will be able to work with them. Period. And if Jebus himself came to earth, the RWNJs would have him up on a cross again within six weeks. You can't deal with delusionary asylum Napoleons. It isn't possible.

Ponies are posted only when appropriate.

[frylock]

48. What are the baggers proposing that you would like to see the President work with them on?

[lovemydog]

49. He gets what he can get passed with Democrats.

And he vetoes any junk they bring up.

And he appoints Supreme Court justices.

I have no problem with any of that.

[DonCoquixote]

50. simple

he would not, and that would be exactly what we needed, because the Tea Baggers would not get anything they wanted, and therefore, either starting losing, or force their states to get moderates.


The very idea that we will negotiate with these fools is exactly what makes them win, because like a bunch of little brats, they know Mommy and Daddy will give them their cake.

[oldandhappy]

51. Can any Dem work with the tea folk?

I doubt it.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

53. Wow! Obama did NOT work with these lunatics

Try again

[uponit7771]

73. +1, their ODS gives them the ability to make shit up

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

76. The Hillary backers believe it will be different when...

She's elected.

This whole thread is based on delusion.

[TheKentuckian]

54. Vetos, EOs, going on TV from the Oval Office and explaining to the American

People what they are doing to scuttle the country and ask them to send decent folks to DC.

Silly premise since no one can work with them including other Teadiots.

Further, considering their wicked agenda anyone who could really work with them would have some really horrible initiatives so I'd have zero interest anyway.

Which parts of the teabag program are you interested in working with them on?

[99Forever]

59. Compared to the Teabaggers love for Clintons?

That's the most ridiculous question I've read all month, and there's been some real fucking asinine ones.

[thesquanderer]

60. One more possibility...

I agree with a lot of what's been said here... including the fact that the question is kind of moot if no other Dem can work with those folks either. And in your previous thread, you and I talked about the same general idea from another angle. But here's one more thought:

It's highly unlikey, but maybe not entirely impossible, that a BS victory could flip the house, and then it's a whole different ball game.

See my post # 23 at http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251669643 for why I think it's possible (though admiteddly still highly unlikely)... and why, whatever small chance we have to do this, is greater with BS than with HRC.

[oberliner]

61. Obama thought Republicans would be willing to work with him

They weren't.

And they certainly won't be keen to work with HRC.

Least of all the Tea Party folks.

[AgingAmerican]

63. Yet he still gave them everything they wanted

They tricked and lied to him and he fell for it. The sequester was a prime example of this.

[Warren Stupidity]

67. Well the pre-concede strategy was astoundingly naive.

[AgingAmerican]

68. True, not many football games have been won

...punting on first down.

[uponit7771]

72. This is not even close to reality, Obama accomplished 76% of his agenda so far and that's

... with poltifacs conservative rating.

The petulant left knows no bounds in the ability to make shit up.

[AgingAmerican]

62. You don't make deals with them

Because
A: they never compromise
B: when they do 'compromise' they just lie and really don't compromise (sequester)
C: because of A and B, you will get screwed over by them EVERY time

You don't play footsies with psychopaths, period.

You use the bully pulpit and you get the public to pressure lawmakers. You issue executive orders and let the courts fight it out.

[bobbobbins01]

64. I say fuck the Tea Baggers

Why work with them at all? Bernie will be there to shine a light, and its been proven time and again that he has no qualms about calling people out on their bullshit, which others in his position sit around with their thumbs up their asses. Even if a single bill didn't get passed, Bernie would give the republicans and the tea party such a public thrashing that we'd see the effects all the way down to the local level.

He is going to take the republicans sacred cow, trickle down, and show them how it's really done.

[jfern]

65. I already told you about the Veterans bill he got passed last year

[restorefreedom]

66. i'll ask again: how is someone almost all repubs hate, have tried to investigate, and will probably

try to impeach going to work with teabag republicans?

[Major Hogwash]

70. Velly callefully. Dish ish a bit trickerish, ish it not?

Iff ya vants to geth along vit der Tea baggerhs, ya vant to be velly, velly quiet . . . shhhhh.
And den ya vant to crepe upt to dem frum behinda, and hit dem mit der basebawl bat velly, velly quickly.

Dish isht der onlly vay.

[Motown_Johnny]

74. On economic issues, pretty easily.

On social issues, that may be impossible.

But how will anyone with any sense at all work with Tea Bag Republicans?

[NCTraveler]

75. Look at Sanders....

Look at Sanders greates legislative accomplishment. He successfully joined with republicans in fighting against a pathway to citizenship for over ten million people. His greatest legislative accomplishment involves him fighting side by side with republicans. Isolationist of all stripes often find common ground as they did in '07.

[bowens43]

77. ROFLMAO!!! How would hillary work with baggers???

They hate her more then they hate satan.....

[pinebox]

78. I'll explain

It's not hard and many won't want to admit this but there are common interests between many of us.
That's one thing I've really learned about them as my other half is a Libertarian. It's amazing what one learns when the blinders come off and you get down to the knitty gritty and actually start talking instead of finger pointing.

Some of the issues which the tea party is concerned about is a big Sanders platform---money in politics and how our politicians have been sold to the highest bidder. This is a huge thing and though we may not to admit it publicly and or openly, it's a common issue which we both share. One of the problems though is that there truly seems to a pretty stark divide between Tea Party supporters and Tea Party elected officials. Rand Paul is their golden son but other than that, many just wave the Gadsden flag to garner support and nothing more.

Common issues which happen to reach across the divide are the issues of drones, CIA spying, the NSA, as stated above money in politics, Bernie had other issues on the stimulus a few years back but the Tea Party did also and there is room to work there.

There are stark differences of course as he penned here in an op ed comparing Ike era Republicans to today's Tea Party http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/the-eisenhower-republican-party-vs-todays-tea-party-republicans but we'd be lying to ourselves if we honestly think that any conservative would work with Hillary. For all intents and purposes, how we see Sarah Palin is how cons see Hillary and then some. She is the anti-Christ to them and it's wrapped up in decades of hate.

[restorefreedom]

84. nicely explained. nt

[pinebox]

85. Thank you!

[Tom Rinaldo]

81. You ignored my answer on your last thread on this tooic

Read it again if you really want to discuss this.

[mmonk]

86. Wrong question. Why would we want someone to work with their ideology?

[whatchamacallit]

90. I'll just leave this here