***Debate Thread for Undecided and NICE People***

[bettyellen]

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NO TRASHING ANYONE HERE
**NO HATE**

Thanks to all for bringing your best selves here! oxoxoxoxox

[bettyellen]

1. Anderon Cooper? Oh well.

[complain jane]

2. Yay! Let's go!

I have Bernie as my avatar (obviously) but I will support either him or Hillary happily.

[bettyellen]

5. you watching CNN or AL Jereeeza?

[complain jane]

8. CNN

[bettyellen]

15. this intro looks like a football game... I am tempted to switch!

[stevil]

3. Hi

Hope for a great night for Democrats!!!!

[bettyellen]

9. I Hope they ALL impress American voters!

[complain jane]

13. Me too!

After the GOP debate, the bar's not set very high from the right.

[stevil]

16. Exactly

Time to make some noise.

[bettyellen]

17. This CNN into is brash and loud- feels like the Hunger Games!

[stevil]

27. Felt like an NFL promo

LOL CNN

[Hortensis]

32. Well, their game-show handling of the GOP debate gave us a preview.

[msrizzo]

4. I'm decided...

But I'm pretty nice and I don't like to fight!

[bettyellen]

6. Me neither! This is the LOVE THREAD!!!

[FlatBaroque]

134. clothing optional?

[BooScout]

7. I'm decided, but I'm nice...

[bettyellen]

11. LOL, I know some decided threads are going to get rough- none of that here please!!

Just LOVE!

[MH1]

10. Every one of our candidates is better than every one of the republicans.

That's reason enough we should be nice to each other.

[narnian60]

29. +100

[nolabear]

12. Hello Nice People!

[bettyellen]

14. hey nolabear! nice bunch here.

[bettyellen]

18. Hey Lincoln!!!

[bettyellen]

19. Woot Woot Martin O Malley!

[procon]

20. Good idea! nt

[bettyellen]

23. Thank you- Sniping is a WASTE OF TIME right now! GO DEMS!!

[procon]

36. I confess: I like pantsuits.

Always wore them when I was working because in a male dominated field, I thought it made me look as professional and powerful the guys. Clinton looks sharp next to all the men. She looks like she means business.

[bettyellen]

158. I confess, if I had one shitty thing to say about Hillary, it wouldn't be about that pant suit.....

because I hate it, LOL. But I don't want to talk about that.

[procon]

172. Hillary did a good job calling out Republicans on their version

of big government and spending money for policies that interferes with people's lives and punishes them for not following the GOP party line, while Dems spend money to make lives better.

[bettyellen]

21. Go Hillary! Go Bernie!

[complain jane]

22. Oh my God I'm so excited...

Not even being sarcastic, I just got chills when they came out on stage. I'm so ridiculous.

[bettyellen]

24. Awww, sweet. It's a historic bunch of contenders! We got women and socialists, YAY!!!

[stevil]

25. Sheryl Crow!!

I didn't know she would sing, I love her, so talented.

ALSO - It's just started but I'm getting such a better vibe than from the Republican debates.

[complain jane]

28. Me too. The Republicans looked half-assed.

Republicans had too many people, looked disorganized, spaced apart randomly when they came out, everyone looked bewildered. The Democrats look polished, professional, and ready to go!

[book_worm]

26. Four official threads, but this is the one I like best.

[bettyellen]

35. Thank you!! I really don't want to hear the acrimony tonight! Let's be excellent to each other!

SO rare at DU these days.

[gateley]

30. That would be me!

I'm leaning toward someone but feel any of those people on stage would be acceptable.

[uppityperson]

31. k&r

[bettyellen]

123. Yo Uppity!

[mvd]

33. Hoping all the candidates look good

Good for all Democrats if they do.

[femmocrat]

34. Checking in!

I am undecided.

[Sanity Claws]

37. I can't watch right now. Did CNN put out the empty

Chair or podium that it said it would? They said they were putting it there in case Biden showed up.

[bettyellen]

39. Nope! Ha ha! Trying to recap but they are talking too fast!

[redwitch]

137. The Clint Eastwood trap? nt

[bettyellen]

38. Chaffe "Only one who's been a Mayor, Senator and Governor ".... fought Repubs, foreign policy...

domestic success, NO SCANDALS, lol.... good judgment and high ethical standards. "
*steals 10/12 of Bernie's points.*

[msrizzo]

40. Still don't feel Chafe and Webb are serious.

But what do I know.

[bettyellen]

42. I guess it boosts their profile to have run? I don't get it!

[bettyellen]

41. Webb- workmanlike list of accomplishments, half not in govt, "served the country", so did his son...

not too compelling.

[bettyellen]

43. Martin O Malley - quite charismatic, smart, comfortable

[rug]

44. Hi . . . . wait, where the hell am I?

[book_worm]

45. So far all have sounded good and a far cry from the GOP candidates

and their consistent appeals to stupidity and bigotry.

[bettyellen]

52. HELL YES!!

[MH1]

62. Yes, it is so nice to have FIVE strong, good candidates.

Sure, I already know that not one of them holds 100% perfect positions according to my preferences. But every one of them is closer to my positions than any one of those cretins in the republican clown car.

[bettyellen]

46. Sanders goes right to $$$$in politics , citizens united, global warming, youth unemployment...

blacks and hispanics, money should be spent on schools and jobs.
He has some a few very loud enthusiastic supporters.

[book_worm]

47. Yep, impressive.

[gateley]

48. Bernie was passionate, Hillary sounding good, too. Unfortunately, the others were kind of boring.

IMO, natch

[NYCButterfinger]

49. Webb was impressive, Bernie was good, especially when it came to the schools

[Agnosticsherbet]

50. I will decide by next June 13.

[bettyellen]

63. Is your primary late too? Mine is inconsequential.

[Agnosticsherbet]

68. I am in California. I suspect the Presidential primary

Will be over by then. State primaries will be critical.

[bettyellen]

51. Clinton, Mom and Grandmom, country needs opportunities, investing in infrastructure and research

in clean energy, raise the minimum wage, and more profit sharing. Taxes sold be fairer. Promised tax cuts for middle class.
Equal pay for women! And family paid leave (applause!) . Heal the divides, economically, racial , GLBT,

my cat walked on the remote again!

[book_worm]

57. She and Bernie have started well

The others had good opening statements too.

[RussBLib]

53. Chafee sounded pretty good

even Chafee!

They're all better than any Repub.

[bettyellen]

58. They're all better than any Repub. <- Yep!

[Yurovsky]

54. "God given talents"??? Oh Hillary, please...

don't inject "god" into this. Isn't that what the other party's debates are for?

[bettyellen]

59. BOOOO, BE NICE or join the haters elsewhere, please.

[Yurovsky]

97. Are you sure you're undecided?

I didn't have a problem with the remainder of her opening remarks, but I really hope I'm not going to hear DEMOCRAT candidates try to outdo one another in pandering to the god squad...

[bettyellen]

102. I'm undecided as FUCK and just trying to have a nice thread in GDP- pls help me out here.

Thanks! :group hug:

[Yurovsky]

111. Ok, good luck with your decision...

but honestly, you've been a Lincoln Chaffee supporter all along, right? 😉

[bettyellen]

119. Thank you- and HA HA! My state is so late, so there's no point for me to volunteer locally.

I will probably phone bank out of state for the primaries. But really, presidential races, I feel like I'm such a tiny drop in the bucket, I'm not sure I'll do much for the presidential..... LOL, I always say that and then end up trying to turn a purple state blue.

[procon]

55. The media short changed us by dismissing o'malley, Webb and Chaffee.

They spoke with sincerity and outlined their agendas that are just as worthy of our attention as the front runners. The corporate media won't give them a fair chance to tell us about their ideas, and that's not the way a democracy should work.

[bettyellen]

61. Yes, in the fancy intro it was awful- just Hill + Bern. Silly.

[Number23]

56. I'm both!!

Though some would no doubt disagree.

[bettyellen]

60. HA, I saved a seat for you- right here!

[Number23]

67. I'm there, baby!

I can't get any of my dang feeds to work so I'm having to rely on CNN's tweets and comments.

[bettyellen]

75. MOM getting into Baltimore's shitty police policies now. MOM says Balt was incredibly violent place

too many funerals, family was firebombed for snitching on dealers(he seems genuinely emotional) - talks about safer "community policing" , arrests declined after 93 ,when they restored peace.
None of it was easy, saved a lot of lives.
Did well.

[oasis]

179. I agree. Saw the rest of the debate since then. His numbers

should rise in the polls.

[bettyellen]

64. Anderson is doing the "red scare" BS, hate this! Honeymooned in Russia? - Asshole!!

[Number23]

65. Round one was just called for Bernie -- by the RNC

The RNC's take

Round One goes to Bernie. Is Hillary reading a TelePrompTer? She practiced that too many times. Audience playing along.
— Reince Priebus (@Reince) October 14, 2015

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/13/politics/democratic-debate-live-updates-international/index.html

[bettyellen]

69. Hey- no ugly links- this is the LOVE TRAIN THREAD.

but I am pissed at Cooper for bringing up Benries honeymoon. Jerk move.

[Number23]

71. It's not ugly it's just one of the CNN comments

They are just posting what they consider to be the "best" of the comments re: the debate.

Edit: I get it now. Rancid Prius' comment was what was ugly. Okay, I won't post anything else from the Repubs. Probably not a bad policy considering we all know Trump is going to be all over this.

[bettyellen]

77. True, I just don't want people to feel the need to get defensive......

you know how it works!

Wish i had some GIFS. We need Morpheus.

[BumRushDaShow]

82. !!

[bettyellen]

85. LOVE IT!!! Thank you!

[BumRushDaShow]

70. LOL

[Number23]

74. I know, right??

times a hundred

[bettyellen]

143. The RNC tweet that? I think they are ALL doing so well tonight. I am proud.

[bettyellen]

151. 23-23 come in please! 23-23!

[Number23]

155. Yep I'm here!

[bettyellen]

194. HA HA. I missed you!

I liked doing this, I had to police it a tiny bit, (sorry!) but everyone worked to be kind to each other here.
I am so proud of us! GDP hasn't had such a plant thread in MONTHS and I am proud. HA.

[bettyellen]

66. It's become the Hill + Bern show, LOL. Both did well.

[msrizzo]

72. Anderson Cooper is going to sock it to everyone.

Calm down dude. He's getting really worked up about nothing.

[bettyellen]

78. HA ha, I think everyone is handling it well though. They picked the most contentious questions

right out of the gate.

[procon]

81. Why is he being caustic and confrontational?

The candidates certainly aren't rowdy or difficult. He becoming a distraction and someone ought to tell him that the debate is not about him.

[stevil]

88. I'm glad he's bringing these things up

But I think he's being a little hostile.

[Blasphemer]

73. This debate is already WORLDS better than the GOP debate

Not only because of the positions and professionalism of the candidates, but Cooper is also doing a good job as moderator.

[bettyellen]

80. Yep, I'm happy about it so far.

[NYCButterfinger]

76. Bernie is right on some things. Hillary is right as well-Capitalism-fair capitalism is what works.

[msrizzo]

79. Do I have to be nice to Webb?

Cause that sucked.

[bettyellen]

84. Just try and be factual? And not OTT mean. LOL.

[msrizzo]

94. OK, I'll try.

I'll really try.

[bettyellen]

105. I appreciate it MsRizz! Look at how nice and positive everyone is. Later we can go spew in other

threads, LOL. But tonight, we lead GDP by example!

[bettyellen]

106. Bern on Putin: He regrets it already, his wars won't be popular at home....

[bettyellen]

83. Hillary scores big applause with her TOUGH ON GUNS answer, which is she is tough, Bernie is not.

Loudest she has been, good amount of applause.

[gateley]

87. That's not entirely true. It's not black or white.

[bettyellen]

91. I am doing a synopsis since some hear can't watch. Not hear to debate- But thank you!!

[gateley]

107. Oh -- sorry!

That's very thoughtful of you -- and it's not easy. I'll shut up.

[bettyellen]

114. JOIN IN- but let's all be nice! It's such a rare thing here these days that I wasn't even going to

peek in here tonight. Instead I decided to do this! LOL!
Nice people here!

[book_worm]

86. Hillary strong on guns.

[bettyellen]

89. She finally raised her voice. Ooh now three are arguing. About guns.

MOM is schooling Bernie about the falsity of urban vs rural. Bernie schools him back about never having to deal with congress.
Now to Webb, who likes guns, LOL.

[BumRushDaShow]

92. This is a good subject that is really differentiating each of them

[book_worm]

95. I agree--the best part of the debate so far.

[bettyellen]

90. Hey guys! My cat Patsy just figured out how to open the toaster oven and grab the food!!!

[BumRushDaShow]

96. Did she get some

?

(now I'm hungry)

[bettyellen]

99. Almost got into a Pain Au Chocolate I was saving for my evening snack.....

She will eat EVERYTHING, including your popcorn!

[BumRushDaShow]

108. Ooooo

[bettyellen]

93. Webb is gun friendly, MOM claims he has outsmarted the NRA by educating people....

[bettyellen]

98. Russia! No one will claim they can see it, so that's good! Hillary is advocating leadership

and standing up.
Asked Bernie- who has pivoted to Syria. Senate veterans committee has convinced him to stay out of "quagmires" , *applause* and put together a coalition of ME states.

[book_worm]

100. This is a good adult debate unlike the other party

[bettyellen]

104. Even though they are talking over each other, it's pretty civil and intelligent so far.

[complain jane]

101. I'm so proud of all our candidates.

They are passionate, compassionate, well-meaning men and women who really want to make things better.

The Republicans were just a bunch of confused, combative, pandering shills.

So proud to be a Democrat tonight

[bettyellen]

109. I am proud of the group of DUers in this thread! Haven't met so many respectful people here in a

looong time.
Yay, us! :group hug:

[bettyellen]

103. Ohhh, MOM looks Hillary square in the face and accuses her of being too much of a hawk (paraphrased)

Ouch.

[book_worm]

112. Her response

was good though re: Iraq vote--Yes, but that didn't stop President Obama from picking her to be SOS.

[bettyellen]

115. she pulled the "Obama trusted me" card, and good for her. ;-)

[stevil]

110. I don't always like Jim Webb on domestic issues

I like a lot of what he has to say on foreign policy

[bettyellen]

113. can you summarize? Was pulling my cat out of the toaster oven. Tks!

[stevil]

120. I meant thing he has said mostly about Bush Foreign Policy in the past....

And he went through that all again but dissed the Iran Nuclear deal because he said it makes us look weak (I don't agree with that - see additional comment. Anderson did give Webb a chance to slam Bernie on Conscientious Objector but Webb was cool with Bernie.

[bettyellen]

139. Ok, tks for the synopsis!

[stevil]

117. Except what he just said about Iran

LOL - I learned something new tonight

[book_worm]

116. It's a good debate despite the moderators

[bettyellen]

125. I like that he is following up and not letting anyone off the hook! But some Qs are lame.....

[procon]

118. I really liked Sanders for saying that global warming was the biggest threat

to the country. Spot on!

[bettyellen]

122. And that war is an absolutely last resort. YAY to that. Oh jeez- emails?!?! C'mon.

[procon]

128. Bernie has the audience on their feet after he defended Hillary!

Good response, sir! It not about the media's focus on her damned emails, it's about us and the REAL problems facing us every day.

[bettyellen]

142. I think it is awesome how often they are all agreeing often. Especially since they are being baited

into criticizing each other with this format. I'm proud to be a Dem tonight.

[femmocrat]

121. I am impressed! This is a substantive discussion of the issues!

While AC is trying to gin up some personal attacks, the candidates are keeping their cool and sticking to the issues. I am impressed with their level of understanding of the details of these complicated issues.

This is so different from the repukes. (Except for the questions.)

[bettyellen]

124. And look! We're so different than GDP!

Go US!

[workinclasszero]

126. Democrats talking about solving problems that face america vs

the republican clown show featuring a filthy rich buffoon running around the stage bragging about how much money he has.

Your move America.

[bettyellen]

127. Oh Snap, Hillary burned Chaffe, LOL. No need to respond.

[bettyellen]

129. So he hands it off to Don Lemon to talk about race... Does BLM after?

Bernie says yes- Sandra Bland, kids shot. Need to combat institutional racism top to bottom and prison reform.
Education and jobs rather than jail cells. Well done.

[BumRushDaShow]

130. But of course the sound wasn't working

(and then DU has got wonky with the response time)

[bettyellen]

132. weird that they handed it off for only that question? I mean I know Cooper lacks pigment, but......

that was sort of weird.

[BumRushDaShow]

135. It's obvious what that strategy was about

(unless he appears later)

[BumRushDaShow]

144. And the strategy was just used again for the Hispanic issue.

Very typical.

[bettyellen]

146. I am cringing a bit. Having "young POC" is some sort of weird trope....

Don't like how it is "other-ing" these questions. Odd.

[BumRushDaShow]

152. Basically framed as "interest group" versus issue.

[bettyellen]

154. Yes- those are the words I couldn't find. Yes. Prob not intended, but awkward as hell.

[BumRushDaShow]

159. Don Lemon was highly advertised

on black radio, but has had just one question (so far).

And @ 10:36 ET, they remembered he was still there in the dark room and let him do a 2nd question.
And @ 10:47 ET, he was sniffed out again and had a 3rd question.

[bettyellen]

162. Seriously? Wow. Okay- now they have a kid asking about climate change....

so this was a weird youth thing mostly? Still, Cooper could have asked these. Still odd to me.

[BumRushDaShow]

164. I added the update to my post

He may have blended into the darkness of the auditorium and someone finally stumbled upon him.

[bettyellen]

173. LOL

[bettyellen]

131. Hill says mass incarceration is the only bipartisan issue right now.

Her and Bernie are saying many of the same things.
Webb and Chaffee are jealous that Hillary is grabbing extra time, LOL.

[bettyellen]

133. Economics are getting a lot of attention- and Hillary and MOM support a lot of Sanders' ideas...

Hillary is going wider on "shadow banking" and saying she agrees but she would better empower regulators and cover new threats.

Ohh Bernie said Hillwas "not true" that she is tougher on banks.

[we can do it]

136. Like Bernie, Hillary, Martin.

Lincoln making some good points.

[bettyellen]

138. MOM is really good, isn't he? I tend to read more than watch speeches, so this is HUGE for me...

to see how they come across. And think on their feet- I hate canned speeches.

[we can do it]

140. He is and seems very sincere.

[bettyellen]

147. He has that "it" quality, I think. I've not watched more than snippets of any of them, so this is

interesting for me. Seeing it with fresh eyes.


Hillary is once again reminding everyone how much better than ALL are than the Repugs on immigration. Hell YES.

[we can do it]

149. Loved that comment, too!

[bettyellen]

153. I think the top three are really all doing well without being assholes. LOVE IT.

[Renew Deal]

141. How do people in this thread prove the are nice?

[bettyellen]

145. Actions speak louder than words! Except when we only have words......

You ARE nice, can't fool me. No sniping going on in here! It;s awesome.

[BumRushDaShow]

148. By acknowledging that this debate is giving some good differentiation

between the candidates around the Democratic Party platform. It's pretty fascinating...

[bettyellen]

150. MOM calls out RW immigrant haters and Trump the "carnival barker" WHOOOOOOOO. NICE.

[bettyellen]

156. Uh oh, Snowden- maybe we should just go on one of the other manny threads about that, LOL.

SO we can stay nice.

[bettyellen]

157. Ok, I only like Chaffee because he reminds me of James Stewart, one of my favorite actors....

but dude, no angel going to get her wings next November.

[bettyellen]

160. ouch why did she say "stand my ground" I know it was a shitty question.....

but I guess she wants Florida.

[stevil]

161. MARIJUANA UP NEXT

420 - BLAZE IT!!

Commercial break. One thing I've noticed is that there is a loose but somewhat unified party front that is refreshing. Shots are still being taken, but nothing really dirty yet. Hillary and Bernie show so far.

Anyone else switching to MSNBC for spin room coverage when this is over?

[bettyellen]

167. same

yes, refreshing!

[bettyellen]

163. Webb asked for the fourth time, how "out of step" with Dems is he? LOL.

Plenty apparently. Maybe we should be allowed to be mean to him!?!?! No, I want us to be chill.

[bettyellen]

165. FUCK YES HILLARY BRINGS UP REPUGS GETTING UP IN WOMENS BUSINESS!!

GO HILLARY.

[BumRushDaShow]

166. "Big government" and Hillary's response

re: the GOP's using "big government" to go after choice and Planned Parenthood

[bettyellen]

168. So good- and I loved Bernie agreed about maternity leave....

but I cringed a little when he said everyone agrees women should stay home. SAY WHAT?

funny seeing the token woman ask about it, eh?

[BumRushDaShow]

174. He has consistently turned questions back around to his core issues.

And agree about alot of "tokenism" going on there. You can't deny "who is in charge".

[bettyellen]

190. Yeah, he didn't have a frat boy skipping in, did he, LOL! HELLL OOOOO. I think everyone did well.

And I do love that on major issues there was a lot of agreement expressed. I think the campaigns have all had mostly good influences on each other, and they are all the better for it.
So, that's nice.

[BumRushDaShow]

193. Their responses, strategies, and plans

will be an interesting amalgam to the party platform. Very interesting views and perspectives... I sum it up as "Variations on a theme"!

[bettyellen]

169. Qs from Facebook, lol. I never answer them myself...

[Sissyk]

170. I'm so proud of all our dem candidates!

Good debate going on.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

178. I am took, Sissyk. They all did a wonderful job of showing America which political party are the

grown-ups in the discourse.

[bettyellen]

184. Yes, loved watching this with some awesome people. THANKS EVERYONE!!!!

[Sissyk]

188. Yes,Chisolm!

The grown-ups were on stage tonight!

[bettyellen]

195. And on this thread! NAMASTE DU !!!

[Sissyk]

196. Yes, thank you! Great job, bettyellen!

and for you

[bettyellen]

171. **Bernie brings up needing the senate and the house*** educated voters- Thank you Bernie!

[bettyellen]

175. favorite of your enemies: MOM- the NRA, Hillary, a huge laundry list...., Bern Wall ST + Big Pharma

Webb: some soldier who there a grenade at him- is that a a metaphor? for his campaign imploding?

[BumRushDaShow]

176. These were responses were hilarious and seriously true!

[bettyellen]

177. LAST 90 sec: Like CNN I am now skipping over Chafee and Webb, who are not in play here....

[bettyellen]

180. MOM: Grateful, distinguished group.... very different debate than Repubs, no one denigrated women or

immagrants or religious differences..... heard@ progress energy. schools, economy, equality
generous compassionate place- the goodness of our country.

[bettyellen]

181. Great country, but..... kids, poverty, medical care and parental leave...

can;t face these issues without thousands of us standing together...... (supperpacs) ...

[bettyellen]

182. Hill again w/ DEm unity...... her own tenacity and ability...

raise income for middle class, get ahead and stay ahead.
Thank god she didn;t mention her website, LOL.

[Eko]

185. Who is going to help the poor the most?

We hear about the middle class but not much about the poor.

[bettyellen]

187. Hillary did talk about helping single moms more, which is a huge thing- economically.

and they all spoke about minimum wage increases and investing more in education.

[Eko]

189. Sure,

they all will help them some, but who would help the most? I'm not sure, hence the question.

[bettyellen]

192. I think that remains to be seen. Presidents aren't dictators, so what you can get done is at least

as significant as what you want to get done. It's hard to say, but I feel like they are all evolving into better candidates.

[Eko]

197. I agree.

Any of them would be tons better than the GOP candidates. You just hear "middle-class" way more than "poor" from even the dems. It was more of a rhetorical question, not to start a debate.

[Eko]

198. I heard

"help the middle class", but not much "help the poor get to middle class". I think that is a sign of how far the right has taken us to where we talk more about the middle class than the poor.

[bettyellen]

199. Yep- the middle class was a big buzzword tonight. I noticed that too!

[stevil]

183. Positive debate

Thanks bettyellen for the thread.

[bettyellen]

186. Thank you for participating! I kinda felt there was no "safe space" where people would be kind...

GDP is too rough. I will try and do it again for the next one, hope to see more of you here at DU. :HI:

[BumRushDaShow]

191. Great job! And very refreshing thread!

Finally got chance to reply since I ended up getting called for jury duty in an acrimonious other thread (imagine that) in GDP.

[bettyellen]

200. thank you- stevil! and welcome to DU.