2016 Postmortem
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mainstreetonce
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Stinky The Clown
(67,819 posts)Cooper is TERRIBLE
valerief
(53,235 posts)niyad
(113,582 posts)Response to Fumesucker (Original post)
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reformist2
(9,841 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)I think what hurt Lincoln Chafee the most was the "Feel the Chafe" slogan.
If you shaved and scrubbed a crazy prospector you'd have Lincoln Chafee.
I think @SenSanders closing statement will just be the CURB YOUR ENTHUSIASM end credits music.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,344 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)as well as eventually global warming. WEIRD.
Like Wayne Newton on MSNBC, WTF?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)eggplant
(3,913 posts)CNN wanted a free-for-all, I assume because they want the Ds to look at unhinged as the Rs. Cooper was certainly trying to stoke that with the absurd number of hostile questions. I'm surprised he didn't get to the "when did you stop beating your wife?" question.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)think it was overall good, even though his questions got almost trollish, LOL, the candidates mostly had good answers. Showed a lot of Dem unity, and called out the Repub clown car for what it is- which is good.
eggplant
(3,913 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Doh! I never even thought of that.
I never knew that! But I'm not surprised.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,219 posts)and he says he's grateful for that.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/anderson-cooper-receive-inheritance-mom-gloria-vanderbilt/story?id=23132894
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)He wouldn't be where he is without them.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,219 posts)He has had the best education that money can buy and, as you say, connections that are extremely important. But to write him off as a trust fund kid is unfair. There is no trust fund. It's like Obama's success is all because of affirmative action.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anderson_Cooper
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Cooper's retort to Bernie Sanders regarding Denmark having health care for all was that Denmark only has 5.6 million people.
He's an entitled idiot.
Chakab
(1,727 posts)in the country in a very short period of time.
melman
(7,681 posts)They never should have let him do news again after that nonsense.
Renew Deal
(81,877 posts)And he will cover any story. He helped himself.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...has healthcare-for-all.
Anderson Cooper replied, "Denmark only has 5.6 million people."
Cooper's reply makes no sense. Insurance is about spreading risk. It's easier for a big country to spread risk than a small country.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Yeah ... and?
More people paying in, right?
nilram
(2,894 posts)Also thinking, "your point?"
reformist2
(9,841 posts)It makes no sense. Both arguments dismissing what they do in Europe are diversions.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Besides, in Austria, for example, single payer insurance does not mean that you have only one insurance company.
I would like to see us return to non-profit insurance companies. We could make healthcare more affordable that way without cutting, maybe even while increasing, the incomes of nurses and doctors and others who provide our healthcare.
We should take the profit of out healthcare. Any excess money earned should be reinvested in better equipment and care.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,219 posts)when you are non-profit, but you cannot be a publicly owned company paying dividends to stockholders either.
However, one thing we do have that works pretty well is Medicare, so our "single payer" is already set up. Insurance companies would have no choice but to work with them and accept their payments or go out of business. For profit would probably become not-for-profit eventually.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)you might have with a single-payer plan in some respects.
When we lived in Europe, however, we could pick our primary care provider from just virtually any doctor because most of them would take us. We could switch doctors every few months if we wanted to.
So that was single-payer in so far as picking your doctor -- all were on your plan with in my experience (which was not at the wealthy end of the financial scale) the choice of nay doctor. That is not true with Kaiser.
But in terms of the well organized preventive care system and the all-encompassing care, European single-payer systems were like Kaiser.
We loved the European single-payer system. The French care was beyond reproach for our needs. The French know how to deliver healthcare.
In Europe, illegals are taken care of because they are usually from other European countries and have reciprocal insurance policies.
My brother-in-law needed care while traveling in Scotland. They did not ask him to pay for anything. We really need single-payer insurance. Single-payer refers to the fact that money is taken out of paychecks according to ability to pay but care is given according to your need. It's real insurance. Very complete for healthcare and dental care.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)We already have the infrastructure in place. Bernie needs to answer that question better.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)His mother, Gloria, stated recently she has made it clear to him that she's not leaving the fortune she earned herself to him or her other children. Further, of the original Vanderbilt fortune, she inherited only a small trust (like $3M or something), and her father, William, lost his own inheritance and died in massive debt.
The Vanderbilt family is fascinating to me (the wealth, the history, what the railroads did, the homes they built, etc.), and the opulence of their lives makes a very seductive story, but that wealth is gone and it's been gone for ages now.
Finally, it's funny to me that he jokingly laments that people never want to talk about his father, Wyatt Cooper, who was born dirt poor in Alabama; instead, people only want to talk about his super-fabulous mother, lol.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)ETA: Sanders said that Denmark has health care for all, Cooper retorted that Denmark only has 5.6 million people.
How is that a relevant argument?
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Ivy League schools admitted in part on the basis of 'legacy admissions'. Like it or not, connections help, but that's not unique to the US or wealthy US families.
As to your point about Denmark, I agree that Cooper's retort was illogical, and even counter-intuitive.
With regard to issues which hinge upon strong central government agencies exercising control (as with arms controls), population size would be relevant insofar as smaller populations are easier to control than large ones. But as you argue above, if insurance is about pooling risk over the largest population size, then actually, the argument that 'Denmark makes single payer work for a smaller population size' works in FAVOR of those who propose single payer in 330 million population sized US.
TBF
(32,102 posts)Do you have any idea how ironic that is?
closeupready
(29,503 posts)I happen to like him because he's openly gay, and he's done some amazing journalism, like the 60 Minutes story on Fluffynut/Plumpynutt. Yes, his mother is from an elite family (though she's always seemed liberal to me - and in fact, she's stated publicly that "I never felt like one of them/a Vanderbilt" , but his father's family was LITERALLY dirt poor, and wouldn't that EQUALLY make AC a man of the people? If not, why not?
TBF
(32,102 posts)it has opened doors for him the rest of us have slammed shut in our faces. I'm glad he's at ease with his sexual orientation, but it doesn't make me defer to him because he happens to be gay. He happens to be gay - I happen to be straight - that is how we were born.
It doesn't make me hate him personally or anything like that either - he may well be very nice - what I am arguing against is the economic system we have in this country that makes just small portion of folks fabulously wealthy while the rest have no chance.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)?? I don't like Ken Mehlman just because he's openly gay, so no, that's not the important point to me.
AC has more privilege than most, but so did Ted Kennedy, and yet, we didn't hold that against Teddie. What one's family WAS is NOT who you ARE today, unless we are subscribing to some kind of India-like caste system, and I don't think anyone favors that.
I've admitted it before, and I'll say it again, I consider myself a liberal capitalist.
TBF
(32,102 posts)That's fine you can consider yourself a "liberal capitalist". I don't care what labels people care to use. In the end all that matters is which side they're on. I'd have more faith that Anderson Cooper is on the side of the workers if he did much less red-baiting.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)brilliance or education.
Chakab
(1,727 posts)time in 2015 dollars?
TexasBushwhacker
(20,219 posts)a big chunk of change for sure.
Melurkyoulongtime
(136 posts)Good on him
TBF
(32,102 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)Blue Owl
(50,514 posts)Senator Tankerbell
(316 posts)People with 10k square foot mansions.
http://patch.com/connecticut/avon/want-to-take-a-video-tour-of-anderson-coopers-new-ct-home