Ignore the Media Pundits: Bernie Sanders Won the First Democratic Debate

[pinebox]

This article times a million!
Pundits don't equal the American people!

Ignore the Media Pundits: Bernie Sanders Won the First Democratic Debate
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/10/445621-ignore-the-media-pundits-bernie-sanders-won-the-first-democratic-debate/

Bernie Sanders handily won the first Democratic presidential debate, according to a post-debate poll conducted by Google Consumer Surveys for IJ.com.

The Vermont Independent was named the winner by 43.7% of respondents, followed by Hillary Clinton at 28.7% and “Not Sure” at 17%.

Martin O’Malley, Jim Webb and Lincoln Chafee trailed with single digit results.

Chafee, whose stumbles throughout the debate included blaming a regrettable vote on being a new senator, was judged the loser of the debate.

Then we move on to this article.

Everyone is saying Hillary Clinton won the debate — but some focus groups might undermine that claim
http://www.businessinsider.com/cnn-debate-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-focus-group-won

But a focus group of Democratic voters, conducted by Republican pollster Frank Luntz, could undermine the takeaway that Clinton won.

A majority of that focus group — as well as of those conducted by CNN and Fusion — said they were most impressed with Sanders.

In a brief Fox News segment, Luntz started off by asking the participants who was supporting Clinton at the start of the debate. About half raised their hands. He then asked who was still supporting Clinton — only a few said they were.

Instead, the bulk of the group said Sanders won. And their favorite moment was the same back-and-forth that many pundits said delivered Clinton her biggest win: Sanders declaring that he was sick of hearing about her "damn" email controversy rather than skewering her for it.

Then we have this Op Ed

Editorial: Bernie Sanders' night: Authenticity wins the Democratic debate
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-democratic-debate-clinton-sanders-edit-1014-20151013-story.html
Sanders, though, had a better night. Much as Republican debates showcased Donald Trump, this debate showcased Sanders' authenticity. The notion of anyone asking if he would change positions to win votes is preposterous.

Sanders is the reason Democrats have a serious primary race. And he came across Tuesday night as a candidate who believes what he believes and won't waffle. He voiced positions that will give some Democrats pause; he isn't a pacifist, he said, and as commander in chief wouldn't hesitate to take America to war. Clinton, meanwhile, answered a challenge to her Senate vote for war in Iraq not with a defense or an apology, but by invoking President Barack Obama: Even after that vote, he chose her as secretary of state. Sorry, but it sounded lame.

[riversedge]

1. uum. Is this another on-line Self-selected poll??

[pinebox]

4. Ya we know

You all refuse to believe that the American people choose Sanders as the winner. We get it. And we're laughing at you.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

14. more of a snicker, actually.

Not a full blown, gut wrenching, tears in the eyes, guffaw that starts in the belly and eventually empties both lungs. Not yet, at least.

[thesquanderer]

28. not a self-selected poll (n/t)

[DanTex]

2. Yay self-selected online polls!

[pinebox]

6. Ya!

I mean like, twitter and facebook mean nothing! Right! lol
Remember hat whole Carter grandson 47% thing? Ya, social media means nada lol

[thesquanderer]

29. not a self-selected poll (n/t)

[restorefreedom]

3. feeling the bern!

and this is only the beginning....

[global1]

10. I'm Proudly Wearing My Bernie T-Shirt Today.....nt

[restorefreedom]

17. who hoooo! nt

[riversedge]

12. Well, you might get just plain burnt gushing over the online self selected polls

[restorefreedom]

16. the only poll that matters

is the one on election day. which i think will surprise many

as for berns, i have plenty of calamine and aloe on hand

[Kalidurga]

5. LOL

I am loving the lame attempts at damage control. No one cares what the pundits say about who won. We are Democrats we can think for ourselves.

[DCBob]

7. "Frank Luntz" seriously??

What has happened to this place?!?

[pinebox]

8. You missed the word "DEMOCRATS"

And notice the word "DEMOCRATS" listed. What's happened is that your're cherry picking.

[DCBob]

9. I don't trust anything that RW hack has to say.

[restorefreedom]

11. it wasn't him doing the talking

it was people who have joined the focus group as Democrats and sharing their opinions about the debate. You don't trust them either? But yes, let's all trust the talking heads who work for the corporate one percenters.

[DCBob]

19. I dont trust any polling this rw hack poller does.

Is that more clear?

[restorefreedom]

20. it wasnt a poll

it was a video recorded focus group composed of Democratic voters. They are on video tape talking about how initially they came in supporting Clinton and then switch to Sanders. Unless of course you think the tape is doctored, you are free to believe that.

[DCBob]

21. I dont trust any focus group that rw loon organizes.

Now is that more clear??... whew hard to make a simple point aroubd here!

[restorefreedom]

22. fine, don't believe other professed dems

it is certainly your prerogative. gonna be a tough election day for you i predict.

[cprise]

25. I'll concede that "Republican" should give one pause

when polling (or any type of information) is coming from one of them.

But the poll agrees with the overall trend where more exposure for Bernie translates into more support for him.

[pinebox]

18. He said something?

Funny, he was just polling dems, you know, those same people who vote alongside you? XD

[Uncle Joe]

13. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, pinebox.

[zappaman]

15. I asked my friend who is a Sanders supporter and she said "Sanders won" too!!!!!

[WillyT]

23. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[azurnoir]

24. I've been reading this again and again

M$M paid punditry/political machine says it was Hillary but the people say it was Bernie

something that sort of encapsulates this primary

[cprise]

27. Yes, its a machine with carefully selected parts.

They get fired when they are seen as being too anti-establishment (IIRC, even MSNBC did this to someone).

[MineralMan]

26. Ignore all pundits but ME! LISTEN TO ME!

You are getting very sleepy...