Is this Bernie Sanders official channel?

[Beaverhausen]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCH1dpzjCEiGAt8CXkryhkZg

If so, who is saying it was shut down?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

1. Not the one people are talking about.

That would be this one.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_yPTb_MIzNt725QKVW_y9A

[Beaverhausen]

2. did you miss this disclaimer on that page?

*****A REMINDER THAT WE ARE NOT A PART OF THE OFFICIAL BERNIE SANDERS CAMPAIGN IN ANYWAY. WE DO NOT REPRESENT THE CAMPAIGN. WE ARE AN INDEPENDENT GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS THAT BELIEVE IN BERNIE SANDERS AND HIS MESSAGE, HIS AGENDA FOR THE 99

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

4. Not what I'm saying.

Bernie's official page was never shut down. And no one is saying it was.

The page that WAS shut down was the one with the guy in the autoplay video on the page I linked, Bernie2016tv.

Watch the video, and he'll explain it to you.

[Beaverhausen]

5. Well the original thread makes it sound like it's Bernie's own channel, which clearly it's not.

this whole outrage is ridiculous.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

6. I didn't link any 'thread'. The ONLY link I gave you was to the guy talking about the youtube

channel that was shut down for displaying the initial raw debate footage that CNN decided they didn't want people seeing unedited, AFTER having given permission for it to be carried by those folks. The unedited footage included Sanders knocking the media, and apparently that gave CNN the vapours, so they edited that part out for future 'acceptable' rebroadcasts of the debate.

ETA AH, I see you edited your comment, having realized that I didn't link to a thread.

[Beaverhausen]

8. I know, sorry -I misspoke. It wasn't you.

I'm posting in two threads about this.

but do you also think that CNN did not show the debate live as it happened?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

10. I thought they did.

I saw the parts that have supposedly been edited out on the channel I was watching. But I also realize that a lot of people don't actually watch the debates live, and a lot of folks will see the altered version, and the edit will make what Bernie was saying look different for those who didn't watch it live. Do you really think it's in the best interests of the people to only allow many of them to see edited footage of the debates?

[Beaverhausen]

11. trying to make sure I'm getting what is being alleged

CNN, after showing the debate live, has edited the debate and now that is the only version that they make available?

But this John Ellis person posted the original debate that I presume he recorded when it was happening on his Youtube channel and they made him take it down.

Is that right?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

12. I think that sounds right.

How would you feel if CNN had done this to some of what Hillary said, such that her best lines of the night were changed to make them appear to say something other than what she actually did? Would you be outraged at all then?

[Beaverhausen]

14. I have not chosen who I support yet

so don't paint me a Hillary supporter.

But I just find this curious. I watched the debate live and I saw that entire section about the emails replayed on MSNBC Tuesday and last night on Rachel's show. Also, many many clips were posted to Facebook. It was hard to miss because it was the best part of the debate. If CNN indeed edited out part of what Bernie said in any version it is wrong. But you could probably find it anywhere pretty easily.

I'll go look to find where RAchel showed it...BRB...

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

15. My point was that this shouldn't be done to ANY candidate.

Once you start editing down statements that change the context, you're into sleazy campaign ad tactics. That a network other than FOX is doing this, is astonishing.

[Beaverhausen]

16. found it

http://on.msnbc.com/1LlsWHW

about 10 minutes in

[Beaverhausen]

20. I agree with that

However, didn't most people either watch it live or record it live to watch later?

And like I said, I have seen that section shown on lots of outlets other than CNN so I'm not entirely convinced that what is being alleged has actually happened.

[questionseverything]

32. does anyone have a transcript of the debate?

when i watched the debate live i saw cooper ask bernie a question that seemed leading after hc's email answer, then bernie said the whole damn emails thing

within 20 mins after he debate i saw it on cnn without the question from cooper and it looked like he was just yelling at hc when in fact he was defending her

right away i found a clip with the cooper question, it is since down due to the copyright stuff......everything i find now has no cooper question and it does not give same impression

next time i will record it myself but it just seems like if democrats only get 12 hours (6 debates,2 hrs each) to exchange ideas, we the great unwashed aught to get those 12 hours unfiltered

[Egnever]

42. here

This is the full debate minus commercials I have it starting right at the point you want to see but you can restart it from the beginning if you like.

?t=55m26s

[jberryhill]

22. "a lot of folks will see the altered version"

Please provide link to this "altered version".

Thank you.

[m-lekktor]

7. Something called Bernie TV was shut down, nobody say anything about Bernies official channel.

I don't know where you are getting that from.

[Beaverhausen]

9. from the first sentence in this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251685174

"Second Time A Big Media Corporation Tried to Silence Bernie's Channel. This is outrageous!"

[artislife]

19. Perhaps you have partaken in too much of your avatar

to suss this out.

[Agnosticsherbet]

3. So CNN uses the same process used by rock musicians to stop Trump from using their music.

It belongs to CNN.

[PowerToThePeople]

13. No, it belongs to the American citizens.

I am going to search this soon, but I recall something from prior research to political speaches and the like always are held in public domain.

[Agnosticsherbet]

21. Sandes offical channel is using the video from the debate. This guy was not the offical channel.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCH1dpzjCEiGAt8CXkryhkZg

[onenote]

43. You'll be searching a very very long time.

Political speeches are protected by copyright unless they are not transcribed or "fixed" (as by being recorded) or if they're given by a government official acting within the scope of her or his official duties.

In this case, it's not the words of the debate that are protected, it is the television production -- the "audiovisual work" in copyright parlance.

And it absolutely is entitled to copyright protection.

[sabrina 1]

17. First Bernie doesn't have an official channel.

Bernie2016TV is run by private supporters of his campaign who knew the Corp Media would not be covering his campaign and decided to use their impressive tech skills to keep people informed as to his activities, rallies etc by livestreaming them for people to see.

They are not paid, all their time and expertise is provided free by them.

Iow, they are not connected to the campaign at all.

Because Bernie is so popular, word got around that these guys were going to try to cover his campaign. I, eg, found out about them and posted a link in the Bernie forum, which is pinned at the top of the page.

So they are CITIZENS who are NOT BEING PAID, volunteers for the candidate they support.

Anyone can have an account on Utube. I do, so do millions of others.

This is NOT what was shut down.

And again, Bernie does not have an official channel. There is no connection between Bernie2016TV and Bernie's campaign.

[Beaverhausen]

18. yes he has an official channel

it's linked from his website

https://www.youtube.com/user/SenatorSanders

[sabrina 1]

24. Oh ffs. That is a UTUBE channel which EVERYONE has. Bernie does NOT run his own TV channel. Do you

know the difference??

I have a Utube channel, for several years. That is totally DIFFERENT from 2016TV

[jberryhill]

29. Then why did YouTube take his video down

All of the videos linked at www.bernie2016.tv are YouTube videos.

But, please, enthrall us. Explain to us the difference.

Do you think there is something special about internet domain names that end in .tv ?

[jberryhill]

23. Now you are just making stuff up

Sanders has an official channel.

"And again, Bernie does not have an official channel."

Big Sanders supporter are you?

His Senate channel is linked in the post above this one.

This is his campaign channel:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCH1dpzjCEiGAt8CXkryhkZg

Notice how Sanders' channel is not some fucking idiot ranting about CNN enforcing its copyright, but the autoplay video is Senator Sanders talking about shit that matters.

I would encourage you to subscribe to the Sanders campaign channel, and learn more about the candidate I support.

Perhaps you can get on the Sanders mailing list, and you would find out things like, oh, how to find his YouTube channel.

[sabrina 1]

25. Omg. Surely you know the difference between Utube channes and Bernie2016TV. I HAVE A UTUBE CHANNEL.

Everyone has a UTUBE Channel.

But not EVERYONE a TV livestreaming channel like Bernie2016TV. It is COMPLETELY different. You accuse me of 'making stuff up'???

I am well aware of Bernie's Utube Channel.

Perhaps you could learn something about the difference between a Utube Channel and what we are discussing regarding Bernie2016TV.

Unbelievable. No wonder Hillary is so behind on Social Media. Her supporters think Utube is something SPECIAL. And don't know the difference between what we are talking about, what was shut down by CNN, and Utube??? Really??

Bernie has a Utube Channel. So do I! So do millions of ordinary people.

I do NOT have a TV channel.

[jberryhill]

26. This is an embedded Youtube video

http://www.bernie2016.tv/1406274069.html

The only thing "special" is that it is embedded on a page that uses a .tv domain name. If you think a .tv domain name is some sort of special technology, then rest assured you are utterly confused.

All of the videos that you THINK are "not a YouTube channel" are on this YouTube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_yPTb_MIzNt725QKVW_y9A

That is the Bernie2016TV Youtube channel, that is the home of all of John Ellis' videos that are embedded at the website.

He is complaining that YouTube took the video down in response to a DMCA notice from CNN.

And, finally, why are you talking about Hillary supporters?

Please note the organizer of this event:

https://go.berniesanders.com/page/event/detail/debatewatchpartiesoctober13/4vm38

You don't seem to understand what Mr. Ellis is even complaining about. He is complaining that YouTube took down his complete copy of the debate.

[Beaverhausen]

27. So this guy was broadcasting over the TV airwaves? Is that right?

who carried his channel?

[jberryhill]

28. She's hopelessly confused

She thinks that if you have a website with .tv domain name, there is something special about embedding videos from your YouTube channel on it.

No, this the Bernie2016TV YouTube Channel:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_yPTb_MIzNt725QKVW_y9A

From there, he embeds videos on the site using a .tv domain name, and she thinks it is some kind of technology other than YouTube.

Why she thinks he is complaining about YouTube taking his video down is anyone's guess.

This conversation has descended into pure madness.

He has a RebelMouse site: https://www.rebelmouse.com/

And a .tv domain name pointing to his RebelMouse site.

[sabrina 1]

30. You are very confused. I don't know where to begin to help you figure it out. Utube is a 'channel'

used by Bernie2016TV. But the whole production which ends up on a Utube channel is entirely DIFFERENT from Bernie's official Utube channel.

CNN is CENSORING Bernie2016TV. And they are deleting their OWN polls which that Bernie crushed Hillary in the debates.


No amount of whining or obfuscation can change those facts.

The Corporations do NOT want Bernie to win this election. They do NOT want the PEOPLE to take control of their own government.

They are doing everything they can to try to SILENCE the PEOPLE.

But they can't do that.

[jberryhill]

31. it's a RebelMouse site on a .tv domain name, with embedded YouTube videos

Sabrina, this sentence doesn't even parse:

"Utube is a 'channel' used by Bernie2016TV. But the whole production which ends up on a Utube channel is entirely DIFFERENT from Bernie's official Utube channel."

Now you are either being tremendously disingenuous, or trying to bluff your way through something you do not understand.

He posted the entire CNN debate to YouTube.

CNN had YouTube take it down, because YouTube has a procedure for broadcasters to notify YouTube of copyright violations.

What the freak do you think I do for a living?

LOOK AT THIS TWEET:
https://twitter.com/Bernie2016tv/status/654726338322927617/photo/1

Bernie2016 TV
‏@Bernie2016tv

Just another day battling #MSM for #Bernie. New #chan soon. Trying to get off YT. Hard without a budget.

LOOK AT WHAT HE IS COMPLAINING ABOUT:



Gee, Sabrina, if we aren't talking about a YouTube channel, then why is Bernie2016 TV saying "Trying to get off YT." and posting the image of a YouTube takedown notice?

Jesus.

This is just really sad. The guy IS COMPLAINING THAT YOUTUBE TOOK DOWN HIS VIDEO, and you don't even seem to know what the fuck it is he is upset about.

[tammywammy]

33. This is one of the most amusing exchanges I've read in a while.

[jberryhill]

36. Well, some good came out of it

If tammywammy is amused, my evening has not been wasted.

[tammywammy]

37. Ha!

I had a long day at work, so I was glad to see something that made me smile.

That exchange, an old fashioned and The Hunt for the Red October has made at least my evening better.

[questionseverything]

34. it does not matter if she got some tech bit wrong

the whole point is the debates should be for the public good

and available to be seen anytime,by anybody on this great public resource we call the net without cnn or anyone else editing them to their own purpose

it is the privatization of our elections...it might be legal but it is not morally right

[jberryhill]

35. It is not some "tech bit" to go on a bloody rant about a non-official YouTube channel

While stridently claiming that Sanders does not have one.

You know what I would do if I wanted to ratfuck Sanders?

I'd get people worked up over some distraction involving a YouTube channel that is not even his, and lie about him not having one, so that people won't even bother to LOOK FOR SANDERS' OWN FUCKING MESSAGE ON HIS OWN FUCKING CHANNEL.

That's what I'd do.

Sanders has an important message for the vast majority of the American electorate - ON HIS FUCKING YOUTUBE CHANNEL.

You know what Sanders message to those voters is?

It's not some shithead ranting on about some conspiracy theory about how YouTube won't let him post the entire CNN debate.

There are actually people on Twitter, encouraging this jackass to do a GoFundMe for a server to host his own videos - INSTEAD OF DONATING TO THE SANDERS CAMPAIGN.

What fuckery.

[questionseverything]

38. none of that changes the need for the video being viewed for public good

in full

unedited

[Egnever]

39. For the love of god

The whole debate with only commercials removed and the supposedly edited portion at 55 mins and 25 secs or there about. This is the most inane bunch if horseshit I have seen on this site in a while.

?t=55m26s

[jberryhill]

41. "the most inane bunch if horseshit"

Indeed.

[jberryhill]

40. Really?

I think it would be a great idea (and haven't checked the cable VOD services yet), but that has nothing to do with some idiotic anti-Bernie conspiracy theory that CNN is trying to hide evidence of a Democratic debate viewed by a record audience of 15 million people, and some ignorant prima donna asshole using his website to rant about it instead of promoting Bernie's candidacy for president.

Here is the full transcript:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/13/the-oct-13-democratic-debate-who-said-what-and-what-it-means/

Here is the full audio:

http://www.mprnews.org/story/2015/10/14/mpr_news_presents

[onenote]

44. I've really enjoyed this thread as well

apart from the realization that there are so many people on DU that don't understand technology or copyright law and think that they do.

I commend you for your efforts to educate them. I would've thrown in the towel a long time ago.

[Beaverhausen]

45. Wondering if he's started his gofundme page yet