2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary says it is time to elect a woman. What if Bernie says it is time to elect
a Jew?
This is purely speculate but how would you react?
Hillary, three time during the debate, forcibly presented herself as a female candidate. A woman who and we, as an electorate, should consider her gender when voting for her.
There is a lot of empathy for that position.
How much empathy would there be for Bernie if he pulled the Jew card?
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)nm
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)that would make a great bumper sticker.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)murielm99
(30,777 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)So is Jesus. Kind of makes it hard for the RW to attack him.
murielm99
(30,777 posts)but comparing him to Jesus?
I find that offensive.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)...er, I guess that's not a winning message.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)when voting for a candidate.
"The first" (fill in the blank) will happen when the right candidate comes along at the right time and should not be used as a reason to 'vote for me.'
I was surprised to hear Hillary use that line of thinking during the debate.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)and whether we look at ANY person based on their gender, race, religion in our everyday lives.
If you vote for a candidate based on their gender, as Clinton suggested during the debate, then there is probably some portion of that view that translates to how you interact with all people each day.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)thank you for pointing out this weird statement from Clinton.
artislife
(9,497 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Obama won because he was the better candidate, not because he's black. If Sanders wins, it's because he's the better candidate, not because he's Jewish. Only Camp Weathervane is playing the identity politics card...looks like an admission she's not the better candidate.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Voting for the best candidate is what we should be doing. I've said time and time again that I voted for President Obama four times (in both primaries and general elections) because of his political ideas and beliefs.
My vote for Sanders has nothing to do with race, religion, etc. I believe he is the best candidate.
JI7
(89,279 posts)are a majority.
and one of the common things among different races, classes etc is discrimination against women.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)our vaginas.
JI7
(89,279 posts)and they werne't trying to say people should vote for him just because he is black.
but my point is that having more people in your group makes it easier to say it without offending too many others.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)elect a black president.
Hillary flat out says we should vote for her because
woman.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)TDale313
(7,820 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)that the people taking part in this discourse, much like they did in the Bush days of 2005, the Clinton vs. Obama people, would cheer on their candidate eating a baby on national news.
I'll say this, though: I don't have to get paid to support my candidate. Everywhere I go - dry cleaning line, waiting for my Taco Bell order, getting my oil changed - I talk about Bernie. I do it because I believe sincerely that he is the leader we need.
2016 is going to be a rude awakening for a lot of folks.
jfern
(5,204 posts)He wants you to vote for him because of his positions on the issues.
PatrickforO
(14,595 posts)that I honestly care FAR more about than the candidates' gender or nominal religion.
I want single payer healthcare and the payroll tax cap removed on Social Security.
I want the $2 trillion in untaxed profits held offshore taxed.
I want Glass Steagall reinstated.
I want a jobs program to fix our crumbling infrastructure.
I want us to take aggressive leadership to address global warming.
I want to see minimum wage go to $15/hr and paid family/medical leave.
I'd like to see unions get much more support.
We need to deprivatize prisons and reform our justice system; end the war on drugs.
We need to get rid of these 'free trade' acts that have cost millions of jobs.
Those are the things I care about, among others. Religion and gender of the candidates, not so much.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Voting for someone because she is a woman or he/she is a Jew is the same as voting against someone because she is a woman or he/she is a Jew.
RandySF
(59,414 posts)DU would erupt in praise of whatever he did. Don't play this game.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Hillary doesn't meet my criteria. I'm sickened by her playing the woman card and I am a woman.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)FSogol
(45,555 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)It's time to quit. Thankfully and hilariously not everyone understands that.
dsc
(52,169 posts)would be a big deal, Jews have been over represented in our elected bodies and least in the modern era, while women have been vastly under represented. Jews, who make up 2.2 percent of the population make up 11 percent of the Senate. Women, who make up just over 50 percent of the population make up 20 percent of the Senate. Historically, there have only been 44 female Senators while there have been 35 Jews. It isn't even remotely in the same league. The first Jewish Senator was elected in the 1845 or 75 years before women could even vote.
Skinner
(63,645 posts)It's also time to elect a woman.
Too bad we don't have a Jewish woman in the race. Where is Barbara Boxer when we need her?
Romulox
(25,960 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)And say "wtf"?