2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI dont see many HRC bumper stickers, but when I do
I think I may be smacking the wrong forehead.
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bigwillq
(72,790 posts)From supporters of either party.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Early days I guess.
I never have the talkative checker in the supermarket who discusses politics either. So many here have very interesting grocery store experiences.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)A Hillary '16 sticker and an anti-Wal Mart bumper sticker, all on the same car. Something tells me this isn't the most informed voter out there. Obviously not aware that Hillary was on the Board of "Mao Mart."
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)So what did she do?
Was she evil, did she do bad things? That seems to be the assumption.
reddread
(6,896 posts)how about extolling either Wal Mart, or perhaps MFN for post Tiananmen China?
It may well be up to you to explain HRC's beneficial work during her tenure with them.
Ive heard it more than a few times, and Im sure you have too.
But then again Ive been in their stores too often, and dealt with their employees in a work setting.
its a silly excuse for a business the way they do things.
and that isnt even touching on the very real and negative impact they are having on our food security.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)And I'm just asking the person who said it's bad that she was involved with Wal-Mart to show why it's bad... I don't think that's too much to ask?
Typically when someone has an opinion they have facts or a reason to back it up.
reddread
(6,896 posts)and something tells me those with less wealth are not half as important to her.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Still not hearing much about what she did that was bad during her time at Wal-Mart.
reddread
(6,896 posts)I beg to difffer. Being closely associated with that abominable beast is
INDICTMENT ENOUGH.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)and I don't shop there. I did a bit when I was in college in VT, but then I realized it was worth the "savings".
FWIW...
Her years on the Wal-Mart board, from 1986 to 1992, gave her an unusual tutorial in the ways of American business a credential that could serve as an antidote to Republican efforts to portray her as an enemy of free markets and an advocate for big government.
But that education came via a company that the Democratic Party and its major ally, organized labor has held up as a model of what is wrong with American business, with both groups accusing it of offering unaffordable health insurance and mistreating its workers.
So rather than promote her board membership, Mrs. Clinton is now running from it, even returning a $5,000 campaign donation from the giant discount chain in 2005, citing serious differences with its practices. But disentangling herself from the company is harder than it may seem.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/politics/20walmart.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
reddread
(6,896 posts)Ive seen that numerous times.
Ive seen a lot of other things too.
NAFTA, rapacious appetites for HIB worker visas,
TPP (only a deranged optimist would believe she wont back that to completion)
basically every policy she has ever been affiliated with,
and without even touching on the NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY issues she will
be supporting NOT reforming...
bad news from start to finish.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)That person changed the subject?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)And notice how I posted the actual facts, positive and negative.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Isn't worth the time or effort.
reddread
(6,896 posts)Roxaaaannee...
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I mean really?
reddread
(6,896 posts)thats my feedback on the 180 someone can claim to perform 6 years ago.
Money talks.
MADem
(135,425 posts)So mixing up a Donna Summer song with a Police tune is probably about all they could come up with...!
emulatorloo
(44,133 posts)I think that might give us a clue about what the poster is really wanting to say about Steve.
MADem
(135,425 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)People don't remember that when "Mr. Sam" was alive, the stuff that was sold in Wal-Mart was "Made in America" goods.
"Mr. Sam's" biggest problem was that he was a sexist asshole, and the reason HRC was on the board was as a sop/nod to Mr. Sam's WIFE, who wanted Mr. Sam to join the 20th Century and include women in the decision-making process.
Trying to 'blame' Clinton for working for a sexist guy (and trying to make life better for women in the workplace, along with creating the experimental environmental store that she shepherded into existence) who bought American goods to sell in an American store is pretty pathetic. Shows a lack of grasp of the subject matter.
reddread
(6,896 posts)I have a feeling women are not getting their fair share of the stick there.
Capn Sunshine
(14,378 posts)Remember WalMart is based in Arkansas, where her husband was Governor at the time.
As a Board member she struggled to change the rigid, conservative culture at Wal-Mart, achieving modest results. Early in her tenure, she pressed for information about the number of women in Wal-Marts management, worrying aloud that the companys hiring practices might be discriminatory.
However, she grew apart from them as they grew into a company that embodied all that is wrong with big companies on the American landscape.
BTW She returned a $5,000 campaign donation from the giant discount chain in 2005, citing serious differences with its practices.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)quickesst
(6,280 posts)Besides possibly yours, how many Sanders bumper stickers have you seen around there? No fibbing now. I'm just curious.
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beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Irony is lost on so many.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)My irony meter is still in flames and I don't want it to catch fire.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)She worked for women's right and environmental issues while she was on the board, her record was not entirely negative.
It seems like that's a valid point.
reddread
(6,896 posts)whats the current wage disparity there?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)We have a wage disparity issue in America, all our campaigns plan on working to address it.
reddread
(6,896 posts)and has been since she was on their board of directors.
I believe they know who she is.
do you find her to be helpless against her "former" associates?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)So?
reddread
(6,896 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)https://www.congress.gov/bill/107th-congress/senate-bill/77
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/04/08/executive-order-non-retaliation-disclosure-compensation-information
Hillary Clinton was an original co-sponsor of the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act and fought to expand workers rights to take pay discrimination issues to court. [S. 181, 1/8/09; S. 1843, 7/20/07]
Hillary Clinton published a guide for young professional women on getting equal pay. The guide, titled, Know How to Ask & Know Your Rights: A Pay Equity Guide on How to Help Yourself in the Workplace, gave tips for negotiating a fair wage and informed women about what to do if they suspected they were victims of wage discrimination. [Know What to Ask & Know Your Rights: A Pay Equity Guide on How to Help Yourself in the Workplace, Senator Clinton, 3/23/06]
Sure seems like she is working on it...
reddread
(6,896 posts)Im sure all the children, mothers and sisters of Iraq, Libya, Honduras et al
appreciate her concern.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)seriously.
best of luck!
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)The most intelligent response you have received so far goes something like "toot, toot, beep beep."
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Straw_man
24. Can you let me know why you feel her experience on the board was entirely a negative?
Perhaps you could show me where I made that claim?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Something no one else seems to actually be discussing.
It sure is ironic, you are right.
She isn't perfect I'm well aware, but she also isn't the second coming of the anti-Christ as some seem to assume. And no I don't mean you, it's not personal.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Is it irony that you don't like or the fact that a Bernie supporter posted the picture?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)This is about people not acknowledging that people can have positive and negative histories. We have to be able to look at the whole picture. We can't always have blinders on.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I have no idea why this is upsetting you so much, it's funny.
reddread
(6,896 posts)the deceit is thick enough to slice.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I posted news stories and political actions both positive and negative about Hillary Clinton...
How is that deceitful?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)In this thread.
reddread
(6,896 posts)but not your first here, no matter how you couch them.
toot toot.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)That I'm not the one out of line.
Please stop.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You immediately knew why we thought the bumper stickers were ironic and now you're pretending that there's something wrong with us for thinking it's funny.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I didn't do it to you.
I won't do it to you.
I'll stick to the issues, thanks.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Spare me, you were all over my ass for laughing and now you're upset at me for noticing you don't understand irony?
First you tried to accuse me of vilifying Hillary for her stint on the Walmart BOD and when I called out your strawman you pretended you couldn't see the irony.
You could have said: oh, okay, I get it - you lol'd at the irony, that's cool!
But you didn't, so if you want to blame anyone for where this is going look in the mirror.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)...
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Your victim card didn't work and the picture is still hilarious.
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reddread
(6,896 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)It is just a website after all where anything goes.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)the only thing funnier than that would be a Masonic InfoWars fan ...
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)That being said. I really don't care that Hillary was on the board of directors for Walmart a long long long time ago. It's a non issue for me. I don't care about the emails either (starting to care a bit more something about a CIA name leaked, but still not so much), I don't care about a lot of cosmetic things either like her atrocious southern accent, she is just being Hillary.
Anyway good one. Hillary supporters can calm down it's just a joke.
reddread
(6,896 posts)and it may be the only bumper sticker for HRC Ive noticed since peeling my mother's off her car a few years ago.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I'll I've done is post a news article and some other bills/congressional information which seems relevant to the discussion.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)But, I like I said I don't care about that so much. It's a Republican thing and as such it is bound to turn out to be much ado about nothing and manufactured outrage.
If there is something to it I might care depends on my mood if I find out there is something to it. I am just as likely to go meh as wow, I didn't think it was a real scandal and it turned out to be.
I am leaning toward made up bull shit, since it's a Republican thing.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Credit needs to go to Gowdy.
emulatorloo
(44,133 posts)when she did no such thing.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027267132
http://democrats.benghazi.house.gov/news/press-releases/cia-debunks-gowdy-s-allegation-that-clinton-email-contained-classified-cia
CIA Debunks Gowdys Allegation That Clinton Email Contained Classified CIA Source
Oct 18, 2015 Press Release
Cummings Calls on Gowdy to Apologize to Clinton
WASHINGTONToday, Rep. Elijah E. Cummings, the Ranking Member of the House Select Committee on Benghazi, sent a letter to Chairman Trey Gowdy to correct the public record after the CIA debunked Chairman Gowdys accusation that Secretary Clinton sent an email containing "some of the most protected information in our intelligence community, the release of which could jeopardize not only national security but human lives.
The full letter is online here and as follows:
Dear Mr. Chairman:
On October 7, 2015, you sent me a 13-page letter making a grave new accusation against former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Specifically, you accused her of compromising national security and endangering lives.
The problem with your accusationas with so many others during this investigationis that you failed to check your facts before you made it, and the CIA has now informed the Select Committee that you were wrong. I believe your accusations were irresponsible, and I believe you owe the Secretary an immediate apology.
It appears that your letter was rushed out to the press to counter the public firestorm caused by Republican Majority Leader Kevin McCarthys stark admission that Republicans are using millions of taxpayer dollars to damage Secretary Clintons bid for president. However, your letter only provided further evidence of this fact.
In your letter on October 7, 2015, you stated that Secretary Clinton received an email from Sidney Blumenthal on March 18, 2011, that included the name of someone who purportedly provided information to the CIA. You asserted that this information was classified, arguing that Secretary Clinton received classified information from Blumenthalinformation she should have known was classified at the time she received it. You then alleged:
Armed with that information, Secretary Clinton forwarded that email to a colleaguedebunking her claim that she never sent any classified information from her private email address.
In your letter, you went to great lengths to highlight the gravity of your accusation, stating:
This information, the name of a human source, is some of the most protected information in our intelligence community, the release of which could jeopardize not only national security but human lives.
To further inflate your claim, you placed your own redactions over the name of the individual with the words, redacted due to sources and methods. To be clear, these redactions were not made, and these words were not added, by any agency of the federal government responsible for enforcing classification guidelines.
Predictably, commentators began repeating your accusations in even more extreme terms, suggesting in headlines for example that Clinton Burns CIA Libya Contact.
Contrary to your claims, the CIA yesterday informed both the Republican and Democratic staffs of the Select Committee that they do not consider the information you highlighted in your letter to be classified. Specifically, the CIA confirmed that the State Department consulted with the CIA on this production, the CIA reviewed these documents, and the CIA made no redactions to protect classified information.
Unfortunately, you sent your letter on October 7 without checking first with the CIA. Now that we have done so, we have learned that your accusations were incorrect.
As a result of your actions, the State Department yesterday asked the Select Committee not to reveal the individuals name publicly, not for classification reasons, but to protect the individuals privacy and avoid bringing additional undue attention to this person.
Unfortunately, the standard operating procedure of this Select Committee has become to put out information publicly that is inaccurate and out of context in order to attack Secretary Clinton for political reasons. These repeated actions bring discredit on this investigation and undermine the integrity of the Select Committee and the House of Representatives.
Sincerely,
Elijah E. Cummings
Ranking Member
114th Congress
Gloria
(17,663 posts)in the New Year...
I've seen a Ben Carson sticker on a car, though.....
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)stickers.
Today I saw a Trump bumper sticker on a pickup truck. It said something like "Trump - no more bullshit"
I have yet to see any establishment yard or car swag. There is no energy out the for establishment candidates.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)Might see some Hillary stuff. So far I haven't seen any campaign related bumper stickers or signs. Is counting bumper stickers some kind of game for a long car trip?
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)Have seen no repuke stickers at all...thank gawd.
Have seen no Hillary stickers.
Have seen 4 other Bernie stickers -- I have one, too -- so that makes 5.
Note: Have not seen many bumper stickers in general in South L.A. County.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)is supporting a Walmart candidate. Very believable because most voters have no idea that corporate America owns the democratic party.
reddread
(6,896 posts)other than cheap show biz.
are they stupid or do they also think they are clever?