2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWill Hilary continue the "Trickle Down Recovery" for the 99%
Not that it hasn't worked out very well for the 1% - but as everyone in this country can tell you Work Class Wages have gone down - A LOT
The Obama years have been brutal on middle-class incomes.
The Presidential race is boiling down to one dominant issue: which party's policies will do more to help the financially stressed American middle class. President Obama's campaign theme is that Mitt Romney and the Republicans cater to the rich, while Mr. Obama cares about struggling families.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303822204577468750027784434
Reminds me of the joke
Mam don't let anybody tell you that ain't the greatest thing in the whole wide world - but I don't think I can take ....
cantbeserious
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FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)They obviously LOVE the poll numbers
lewebley3
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JRLeft
(7,010 posts)spin
(17,493 posts)I don't believe they own Bernie.
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olegramps
(8,200 posts)They swallowed the corporate propaganda hook, line and sinker. You don't need unions to protect you; they are only using the dues from your hard work to enrich themselves. They bought the same propaganda and flocked to the polls to vote in Right to Work Laws that were solely designed to destroy unions. What did they get in return, massive outsourcing of jobs, pensions cut and their health insurance canceled.
There was an ancillary result that has proven to be devastating for the workers. The unions having been seriously crippled were unable to get progressive legislators elected to represent their interest. The only time that those running for office showed any interest in the unions causes was at election time to pick up the check. There is one and only way for the workers to recover, that is unionization. This will enable them to actually elect progressives that will represent their interest and the rightful distribution of the fruits of the labor. It is the only path to repel of tax laws that have impoverished the workers and enrich the 1% of parasites who are sucking the live blood out the workers. The issues that must be addressed span the entire spectrum from health care and greed pharmaceuticals companies to minimum wage laws, pensions, fair taxes, etc.
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mountain grammy
(26,644 posts)brooklynite
(94,699 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Lockheed, the F-35 group, keeping the project going.
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Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)In reality, the Republican economic team Obama kept in place successfully guided the vast majority of the recovery to the wealthy, while the rest of us still stayed screwed, just maybe not quite as screwed. All the while proclaiming that we were 'saved' from disaster, while for most, we're still falling towards the ground, just more slowly. We'll still splat when we hit.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)including MANY foreign investors
What $4Trillion .... give or take a couple $Billion
and thanks to the many lucrative Tax Loop Holes the majority of that money will be repaid on the backs of the Working Class, our children and our grandchildren
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)She's got hers.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)cantbeserious
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lewebley3
(3,412 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks!
Joe Turner
(930 posts)It's all about what she said last week. How anyone can have confidence that in that is bewildering given her long track record of carrying water for the corporate community.
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Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)didn't want to hear Clinton talk.
lewebley3
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Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I'm sorry if you don't like the truth, but it is what it is.
Hillary has been corporate-owned since at least 1986: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4218509&page=1
lewebley3
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(3,412 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)On a discussion forum where I once used the Bwhahahaha! expression only to mock the daily happenings of the RW and their weird cast of outlaws.
And now I have to use it on people who supposedly should know better.
If you support Hillary Clinton because you are of the investment class and don't give a crap about anyone else, why, good for you.
But if you're part of the lower 95%, start getting educated.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)You are an idealoge, its people like you that cause the Dem's
lose seats at the center power. The GOP love it when Dem's
attack their own. Your false statements against the Hillary help
the GOP.
Hillary and the Dem party are fighters for the middle class, if they
weren't they would join the GOP: they are investment class,
you need to start living in real world.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Prison Guard Unions, big city police officers unions - they go for Clinton.
Nurses Unions across the country are supporting Bernie.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)And perhaps you have not noticed how the union "leaders" so often do the bidding of the One Percent.
So although in theory you are right - the union members are not part of the One Percent (at least in terms of rank and file members) - so what are the union leaders getting as quid pro quo in not maintaining the high safety standards, in not seeing to it that people are adequately paid, etc?
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Secondly, the GOP.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)The couple contributed $15 million to charitable contributions over the last eight years, she said.
Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article29711881.html#storylink=cpy
Let's see, 139 (earned) - 43.9 (taxes) = 95.1
95.1 - 15 (Charity) = 80.1 (million she kept for herself)
She shared approximately 10.8% of her pre-tax dollars. How does that become just about everything?
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Mitt had not paid taxes in ten years, and his
money was sent out of the country.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)I'll give you that much. She is better than Mitt. That is not saying too much though.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)neither one brings this reality to light. They don't point to this occurrence with the frustration and commitment to improve it that this situation deserves.
When they talk about a recovery while this economic fact is a reality they absolutely deserve some level of criticism that they face. The recovery benefitted a very small part of the American population, and the majority continued to lose economic ground. When Democrats don't point this out while simultaneously putting forth policies and solutions to turn this around, why should we have faith that they are fighting for our interests? It seems more likely they are trying to mollify, coddle, and snow us.
Not to mention that it weakens the Democratic brand with working class individuals. Politically aware conservatives are certainly aware of this economic reality. When Democrats don't raise holy hell about it, what are we to say when conservatives claim that liberals only care about the wealthy and not the working class? When our Party's leaders don't point this economic reality out consistently and angrily (by blaming the Republican Party for obstructing progressive solutions) conservatives that actually pay attention to politics are going to come to certain conclusions.
Ultimately, there is NO reason for working class Americans to support the Republican Party, but when Democratic Party leaders obfuscate this economic reality, what chance do they have to get working class conservatives to wake up and see that the Democratic Party is the party that will fight for their economic well-being?
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)He pointed out all the achievements and Wall St advances while completely omitting Working class wages and standard of living has gone down
And YES it is so frustrating to me.
Even many Trump supporters are trying to claim he would do more to help the working class
The WHOLE country, a very clear majority have this at the forefront of issues when they are selecting a candidate
daleanime
(17,796 posts)because jobs, and working wages, are not what they are trying to recover.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)It comes after companies buy supplies.
Economics books, how do they work?
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Do you know why it is there?
I'll explain it for you. The reason that is there is because wages will not go up until you a sustained low UE.
When UE is high and increasing, as it was on the day Obama took office, you have more workers competing for fewer jobs. Wages drop as a result.
Conversely, when UE is low, and stays that way, employers have to compete for a smaller number of better workers.
As one might expect, the WSJ attempts to blame Obama for a wage drop that's actually the result of the Bush recession.
And its not uncommon for the RW to attempt to shift the blame for this simple fact to Obama. And something some one from the left helps them carry that RW water.
So in answer to your question. Yes, we want to continue Obama's economy ... it's brought UE down to a point at which wages can finally begin to increase again.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Wake up and smell the Working Class suppression my friend
These are just continued policies of Reagan administration the Dems cant seem to gather the backbone to undo. That or they just can't look their wealthy 1% neighbor in the eye at their pool party ...
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... and ignored the fact that increases in wages require low UE, period.
Low UE is not about trickle down. It's about ensuring that there is enough cash moving through the economy so that demand for goods and services remain high.
The stimulus helped do that. Ending the tax breaks for those above 400k did that, extending UE insurance did that, the ACA does it too.
Now, if you think running against Obama is a good strategy for Bernie, by all means stuck with it. I'm sure you'll get lots of Obama supporters to switch by claiming Hillary is just as awful as Obama.
Please proceed.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)actually - we already are
cpompilo
(323 posts)Based on this chart, your claim is unsubstantiated.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)The point I've made is a rather simple fact of economics.
The other thing to recognize ... with low UE, employers have to lure good employees away from other jobs. That process takes more time than the reverse, in which people who have been out of work JUMP at a low paying job just to get in the door.
For a number of years now, folks in the RW have pointed at that same trend line to claim the Obama economy is the problem. And I would explain that we would NOT see wages rise until UE fell to about 5%, and stayed there.
And that's exactly what has happened, and will continue to happen. Well, unless we let the GOP take control. They'll work to screw the economy up yet again.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)for what was clearly an occurrence started in the Bush administration? SMH.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)Not cool.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)Certainly undeserving of honest discussion.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Let's just dispense with the board name and call it Anything You Want Underground.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)suddenly trustworthy! Isn't Wall Street the home of the corporations, the banksters and most importantly, the oligarchs?
BainsBane
(53,054 posts)Joe Turner
(930 posts)Her positions are always changing with the political wind. One has to look at her record to understand where she is coming from. And it ain't pretty.
BainsBane
(53,054 posts)She has substantive policy proposals, FAR more substantive than Sanders.
Her voting record also bears little resemblance to how people here portray here. I would wager you haven't looked at that either.
You don't care about actual policy, so be it. Keep to the world of internet meme and soundbite. Frankly, I have come to expect nothing else. The link is provided for those who care about issues and policy rather than simply personality politics.
Joe Turner
(930 posts)once elected. If you want to know what her actual, in office, policy proposals will be look at who funds her campaign. We don't need a replay of Obama's broken promises.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Joe Turner
(930 posts)HRC like Obama is owned by Wall Street. There will be no relief here. I really don't know most democrats are expecting out of Hillary. Her record is clear and in line with republican economic policies. It's amazing how many are blindsided by this.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Never mind that Bush and the Repugs crashed the economy. It's been 8 years, and why haven't incomes recovered???
Could it be that our fearless leaders in the Democratic party are following a pro-free-trade, anti-union, neo-liberal, capitalist agenda not all that different from the evil Repugs?
Sadly, this is exactly what's been happening. Which is why we want new leadership. We don't want more of the same Wall Street cronyism.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Not to mention the job security for the troops with a neo-lib prez.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Oh, excuse me .. I meant to say all those 'employees' of Bankster pacs.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)Meanwhile, my insurance premiums are going up another at least another 10% this year with reduced benefits. There are indications the company is going to drop insurance benefits for employees in next 2 or 3 years. Of course wage are frozen on the account of the bad economy.
Oh, and vacations. Company is investigating taking them away. Yep. Here's how it works... company is going to say they have unlimited vacation time (unpaid, with manager approval).
Guess what? No one takes them because if you do, you get written up on your performance review!
If you are Clinton-class rich, you have the world at your finger tips.
America - of the rich, by the rich, for the rich.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Of course she'll continue it. Her corporate masters will see to it.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)?