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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:47 PM Oct 2015

How many Black Politicians has Bernie Sanders stumped for? I can only find Jesse Jackson.

I asked a few people to get back to me on that issue as I was wondering why more black politicians have not endorsed Bernie, after all He Marched with Dr King!! Was arrested at a sit in!!! Obviously those two things plus his votes on Welfare mean he should be a shoo in to win the black vote. I mean, are all of us not interested solely in wefare benefits? Perhaps not, but we should be!!

(Some worry about equality... I was comforted yesterday when I complained that white men get a piece of pie while the rest of us get crusts. I was told the crust is the best part!! Why would I want the sweet potato filling anyway? Boy, am I lucky!! He sure corrected my thinking! I'm totally fine with watching them eat pie while I nibble crusts now. Hey! Maybe they'll drop some crumbs on the floor and I can just lick them up quietly.)

Here I go digressing again! This primary has seen many endorsements. I'm trying to figure out why more are not coming his way and thought that maybe we should look at who he stumped for to see likely endorsers.

Please post if you find something.

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How many Black Politicians has Bernie Sanders stumped for? I can only find Jesse Jackson. (Original Post) bravenak Oct 2015 OP
Bernie Sanders has never stumped for any Democrat, much less a PoC leftofcool Oct 2015 #1
Do we know the reason? bravenak Oct 2015 #2
I don't know. What do you think his supporters would say? leftofcool Oct 2015 #4
None of them ever get back to me. bravenak Oct 2015 #5
"It hurts"? WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #17
Smiling at you, my friend. bravenak Oct 2015 #32
Good. And hopefully developing some thicker skin through the smile. WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #54
Wonderful advice!!! bravenak Oct 2015 #57
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #172
I'm sure he's supported some Democrats... BlueCheese Oct 2015 #13
Upward mobility in govt is a social justice issue. bravenak Oct 2015 #30
He stumped for Obama Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #40
And Obama stumped for him too AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #71
yes he did Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #129
That should be a thread in itself azurnoir Oct 2015 #175
That was quite a flip flop after calling for Obama to be primaried. nt SunSeeker Oct 2015 #176
Chuy Garcia is not a Democrat? think Oct 2015 #8
Jesse Jackson wasn't a Democrat? LWolf Oct 2015 #50
Sorry, Jesse Jackson was and is a Democrat. He was a candidate for the Democratic presidential still_one Oct 2015 #69
He stumped for Peter Shumlin. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #186
That is a lie. kenfrequed Oct 2015 #192
Has Bernie ever campaigned or raised money for a Democrat before? RandySF Oct 2015 #3
This is what I want to know also. bravenak Oct 2015 #6
He's helped raise money for the DSCC (among the deep pockets funders) brooklynite Oct 2015 #7
Yes Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #10
Thank you. Chuy Garcia, Jesse Jackson. bravenak Oct 2015 #15
Here's my thing, bravenak...on something very important! Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #9
I can bring the weed too!! bravenak Oct 2015 #12
By all means! Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #21
Damn Bravenak and Kev msrizzo Oct 2015 #43
Yes!!! You damn straight you can!!! bravenak Oct 2015 #53
I'm bringing BTA and his husband JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #177
Yay!!! bravenak Oct 2015 #180
Ya'll take trips with welfare checks? leftofcool Oct 2015 #36
Silly, you get the rest of it from your sugar daddy... msrizzo Oct 2015 #49
Aha! Knew it had to come from somewhere! leftofcool Oct 2015 #56
"Twinks and rough trade"? Classy. WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #72
I'm black AND LGBT... Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #79
How did WillyT enter into this? (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #103
Not as confused as I am by somebody trying to dictate to ACTUAL black people what black stereotypes Number23 Oct 2015 #162
I guess you don't get sarcasm? leftofcool Oct 2015 #82
Meh. It came across as someone who just learned what Fire Island is... WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #105
If you like something a little sweet I'll bring the Cointreau Number23 Oct 2015 #160
I'll bring tequila, lovemydog Oct 2015 #171
Deal, baby! Number23 Oct 2015 #195
Sorry, my Google Fu is weak. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #11
I'm posting to answer this question in a real way later after I get through with folks playing games bravenak Oct 2015 #24
Bernie Sanders didn't stump for Obama but he did endorse Barack Obama in 2008 & 2012 think Oct 2015 #14
Thank you!! This is good. bravenak Oct 2015 #16
I was wrong. Bernie did stump for Obama in 2008 think Oct 2015 #44
Awesome! bravenak Oct 2015 #52
the insinuation game Enrique Oct 2015 #18
No answers then? Okay. bravenak Oct 2015 #20
i'm sure if you get any answers, they won't count Enrique Oct 2015 #31
I got Chuy Garcia already. He's not black but still I think I accept any poc as an answer. bravenak Oct 2015 #41
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #64
Did that happen? bravenak Oct 2015 #66
Yes Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #86
Ok. I guess I can accept those he endorsed as well as those who endorsed him. bravenak Oct 2015 #94
Bottom feeding AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #75
Heard a great interview on the radio today he did on Tavis Smiley's show. mucifer Oct 2015 #19
Sadly, Tavis Smiley is on the list of personas not gratas with Cornel. bravenak Oct 2015 #22
Not everyone agrees with your list. WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #27
Most black folks do who follow politics. We discuss them constantly. Go look. bravenak Oct 2015 #46
You speak for "most" black people? WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #62
I speak for them more than say, a white person? Yeah. I think I do. bravenak Oct 2015 #65
The comparison wasn't between blacks and whites. WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #97
lol, if that were Tom Joyner, I'd be impressed Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #34
Is your internet search feature broken? WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #23
I love how you always show up for me when I am in need. bravenak Oct 2015 #25
You seem to be "in need" a lot. WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #42
Thank you ever so! bravenak Oct 2015 #47
Politicians of all colors and stripes azmom Oct 2015 #63
Who better to cash in with after office than the Clintons? WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #68
I think I'll catch a Movie on Netflix instead. azmom Oct 2015 #73
I just spent nearly three hours with "The Tin Drum"... WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #101
How many PoC office holding Democrats have stumped for Bernie? 99Forever Oct 2015 #26
They have to do something for him first? Okay. bravenak Oct 2015 #33
You gawddamn right they do. 99Forever Oct 2015 #38
I do not think black people owe. bravenak Oct 2015 #48
Straight up truth. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #151
I lack emotion for these candidates. Amazing how not loving them makes one see things. bravenak Oct 2015 #153
Results of your jury service: Comrade Grumpy Oct 2015 #131
Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #28
I was talking about Bernie. bravenak Oct 2015 #35
And Cheese Sandwich is talking about Hillary. WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #116
Cheese Sandwich can start a thread then. bravenak Oct 2015 #118
Cheese Sandwich starts many threads. But thisn'll do just fine. WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #126
Kewl! bravenak Oct 2015 #127
S/he did start a thread about it thesquanderer Oct 2015 #135
So it was a dismissive, smart-ass reply of Hillary's? WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #144
I agree, not racist. As for dismissive or smart-ass... thesquanderer Oct 2015 #150
Bernie Sanders gave them the Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #39
Holy crap. I can't believe she actually said that. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #61
While that was a bit of a tone deaf moment for Hillary Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #76
Media is giving her a pass Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #106
DU can't handle the truth Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #124
Looks like they couldn't handle your latest comment either jfern Oct 2015 #163
Out of context. See post #135 (n/t) thesquanderer Oct 2015 #136
I was reading several weeks ago that some of the black groups were using the phrase LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #29
Thank you. bravenak Oct 2015 #37
Ok... What did you just say... I am an old fart.. LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #59
Sorry. bravenak Oct 2015 #70
Yep. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #80
My grandma was. Scrubbed thousands of miles of floors but never got ss on her work. bravenak Oct 2015 #81
So unjust. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #85
I tend to agree, social justice still takes a long time. We have come a long way, but I think LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #88
I agree with everything u just said. bravenak Oct 2015 #98
This. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #157
Great post. bravenak Oct 2015 #158
Left can mean a whole lot of things. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #168
I am not real sure this is a relevant question. Remember jwirr Oct 2015 #99
That is a good point. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #108
Even many of us political junkies did not know much about jwirr Oct 2015 #110
The only reason I did SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #114
Ed Schultz was my introduction to him. jwirr Oct 2015 #119
And now they're making MSNBC a clone of NBC. nt SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #121
Yeah I know. I am not a tv watcher but I really miss the jwirr Oct 2015 #134
Obama Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #45
Yep. Obama. I count Chuy Garcia too. bravenak Oct 2015 #55
Thanks for counting Chuy. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #84
Since noone brought up the name yet Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #51
Yep. I saw that. I like him. bravenak Oct 2015 #58
I adore him. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #78
I'm an atheist too. bravenak Oct 2015 #83
Kinda? How about "very"? SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #87
Lol bravenak Oct 2015 #95
bravenak, you need to STOP! Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #91
Heh. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #92
My shucking and jiving will conceal my non jesus praising ways! bravenak Oct 2015 #93
Oh Lordie. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #96
I tend to have that effect on people!! bravenak Oct 2015 #113
Well, at least they'll be awake! nt SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #117
Now, why does your post make me think of The Color Purple? leftofcool Oct 2015 #104
My favorite movie!!! bravenak Oct 2015 #111
I absolutely adore Keith. He is very good at what he does. jwirr Oct 2015 #102
I knew nothing about him until he was sworn in. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #107
Oh wow. That is cool. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #159
I am hoping you are correct on MN - our two senators have jwirr Oct 2015 #100
Obama stumped for Bernie Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #60
I did not know you liked Obama! Hey! I love him too! bravenak Oct 2015 #77
Of course, I campaigned for him in 2008 and 2012 Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #122
How Many POC Politicians Asked For His Aid cantbeserious Oct 2015 #67
Can he not just help them on spec? bravenak Oct 2015 #74
I don't think so, neither black NOR white Democrats. George II Oct 2015 #89
I am not seeing much. bravenak Oct 2015 #128
Not many I'd guess Armstead Oct 2015 #90
Your good answer is wasted whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #112
Yup, a shame your truth will be blown off. nt riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #125
Well, Sanders did get an endorsement...sort of Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #109
Now, see - this is why I hang around this place. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #120
Yes...I read that a couple of months ago Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #137
I find this race between then interesting. I need to explore the issue more and read more on it. bravenak Oct 2015 #130
That's a great link. Number23 Oct 2015 #165
FWIW he did endorse Barack Obama; twice. aikoaiko Oct 2015 #115
Yep. bravenak Oct 2015 #123
the talking point is that he's a dong-swinging chauvinist, not a Portlandia-style race-blind pinko MisterP Oct 2015 #132
I can decide, thanks. It is Third Way Progressive, I think. bravenak Oct 2015 #133
Third Wayers are proudly moderate, "radical centrists." WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #138
Exactly!! They are MODERATE on race. bravenak Oct 2015 #140
Third Wayers, not progressives. WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #141
No. I made the definition. I get it. I am concerned about you. bravenak Oct 2015 #143
Nonsensical definitions your thing? WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #146
Not nonsensical at all. lovemydog Oct 2015 #170
Initial response, I have no f'ing clue ... slipslidingaway Oct 2015 #139
Thank you for your advice. And insinuations. bravenak Oct 2015 #142
I understand your concern, but you only need to look at Sander's stance for equality ... slipslidingaway Oct 2015 #156
Words like race card were historically used by conservatives against blacks and democrats as a bravenak Oct 2015 #166
Does It Have To Be A Black Politician ??? - What If He Ended In Handcuffs Fighting For Civil Rights WillyT Oct 2015 #145
I am discussing him stumping for candidates. I wil accept any poc. From his career as a politician. bravenak Oct 2015 #147
Does Keith Ellison Count ??? - Black And Muslim... WillyT Oct 2015 #148
He is already listed on thread, but I have decided to count those who endore him as well as bravenak Oct 2015 #152
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #173
I made up my mind. bravenak Oct 2015 #181
I know when the third waters decided Kendrick meek was too dark to SwampG8r Oct 2015 #149
They all should have supported him. Period. bravenak Oct 2015 #154
No one would SwampG8r Oct 2015 #155
1 black congressional endorsement isn't that low considering he has 0 white endorsements jfern Oct 2015 #161
I have decided to accept women politicians, lgbtq ones, and poc, and any disabled or veterans bravenak Oct 2015 #164
In the past very few would want what he had to offer SoLeftIAmRight Oct 2015 #167
My, what inconvenient questions you ask! Hekate Oct 2015 #169
so tell us- How many Politicians has Bernie Sanders stumped for, period? azurnoir Oct 2015 #174
You'll have to ask your fellow supporters; I'm going for the flying pig. nt Hekate Oct 2015 #178
I'll tell you - Barack Obama in 2012 azurnoir Oct 2015 #179
Me too. bravenak Oct 2015 #182
specially when the answer is even less convenient or are you glad to find out he stumped for Obama azurnoir Oct 2015 #183
Yep. Glad to see that. bravenak Oct 2015 #184
Good I hoped you were azurnoir Oct 2015 #185
You're making things up. Fearless Oct 2015 #187
I have no need. bravenak Oct 2015 #188
Yet you are. Fearless Oct 2015 #189
How does that make you feel? That perception you have? bravenak Oct 2015 #190
You told me you're not making things up? And that should be reason to believe you? Fearless Oct 2015 #191
You are being rude. bravenak Oct 2015 #193
"I was told the crust is the best part!!" awoke_in_2003 Oct 2015 #194
Right? They say things that aurprise me. bravenak Oct 2015 #197
didn't he support Barack Obama in the general elections of 2008 & 2012? WI_DEM Oct 2015 #196
Yep. We counted him! bravenak Oct 2015 #198

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
54. Good. And hopefully developing some thicker skin through the smile.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:20 PM
Oct 2015

If you're hurt by anonymous online posters not getting back to you, it may be time to re-evaluate a few things in your life.

Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #17)

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
13. I'm sure he's supported some Democrats...
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:04 PM
Oct 2015

But I think the main reason is that he hasn't been a registered Democrat. He's been an independent his entire time in Congress.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
69. Sorry, Jesse Jackson was and is a Democrat. He was a candidate for the Democratic presidential
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:31 PM
Oct 2015

nomination in 1984 and 1988.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
186. He stumped for Peter Shumlin.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:40 AM
Oct 2015

A very short time later Shumlin appointed Sanders wife to two government commission positions.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
192. That is a lie.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:37 PM
Oct 2015

He actually did make speeches for Jesse Jackson and his bid for the Democratic nomination. I don't know why you are set on lying about that.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
7. He's helped raise money for the DSCC (among the deep pockets funders)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:58 PM
Oct 2015

...which is fine by me (Elizabeth Warren does the same); I'm not sure it fits the narrative of some of his supporters however.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
9. Here's my thing, bravenak...on something very important!
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:59 PM
Oct 2015

When I get my welfare check, you are welcome to join the rest of us when we go to Fire Island but you have to bring your own twinks and rough trade!

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
12. I can bring the weed too!!
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:04 PM
Oct 2015

Are the welfare checks retroactive? I have so much money coming if it is!! Years and years of delicious welfare checks, a black person's dream!!
I cannot wait for our vacation! Ooooh!! Pie crusts for everybody!! It's the best part, I'm told!

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
21. By all means!
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:09 PM
Oct 2015

Now since I don't partake nowadays, I may have to keep my distance when y'all fire up, but I ain't gonna stop you from gettin' your groove on and since I'll be rather busy myself, I won't have time to be hatin'

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
177. I'm bringing BTA and his husband
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:15 AM
Oct 2015

Because he's fun!

If you bring your husband I'll bring the Gio and we can send them off to te corner to drink Scotch and Henessey and mind their own damn business!

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
36. Ya'll take trips with welfare checks?
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:15 PM
Oct 2015

Damn! I thought ya'll bought hot cars and mink stoles with them. I think Ronnie Raygun told us that. I could never figure out the math though. If a welfare check on average is 500.00 a month and a mink stole and hot car payment is 800.00 a month, where does the extra money come from to make the payments? Asking for a friend with Stockholm Syndrome.

msrizzo

(796 posts)
49. Silly, you get the rest of it from your sugar daddy...
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:18 PM
Oct 2015

The one that lives in your house but has to hide in the closet when the social worker comes by.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
72. "Twinks and rough trade"? Classy.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:33 PM
Oct 2015

I work at a hospital and see people of all colors and ethnicities on welfare. Some working, some working low-wage jobs. There's a HUGE problem in this country, but do go on...

#economicjustice

Number23

(24,544 posts)
162. Not as confused as I am by somebody trying to dictate to ACTUAL black people what black stereotypes
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 01:33 AM
Oct 2015

we can and cannot make fun of.

This fucking place.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
105. Meh. It came across as someone who just learned what Fire Island is...
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:14 PM
Oct 2015

and decided to get some mileage out of it. Lame.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
11. Sorry, my Google Fu is weak.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:03 PM
Oct 2015

I can't figure out how to word a query to find out what black politicians either Sanders or Clinton have endorsed or stumped for. I already had read about Jackson here on DU or I wouldn't even know that one.

Still, I seem to have missed the OP or comment in which you told us the names of the many black politicians Hillary has stumped for, that you mentioned in passing in an earlier comment that earn her the black vote.

I'm also still trying to figure out just what Hillary has ever done FOR the black community, as opposed to TO the black community, that have earned her the loyalty the polls are showing.

Do I think Bernie is the next messiah for the black community? Nope. But I don't see that Hillary is either, so I do wonder why the polls aren't closer to random support for each. I'd say that really, the black community needs to run their own candidate to be able to guarantee than they'll get more than lip service out of any politician. One more willing than Barack Obama to address the issue of police murdering and maiming black men, or tossing them in jail on charges that see white men walking out free men. I think Bernie would, but I can't guarantee it. And that's why I support him. I actually think he'll be better for black Americans than Hillary will, with her history of race-baiting and semi-Southern strategy. I still think he'll need to be pushed to keep it a priority, but I think that would be true of any of the current candidates.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
24. I'm posting to answer this question in a real way later after I get through with folks playing games
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:10 PM
Oct 2015

With me. They tend to let off after a while then I can have the actual conversation.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
44. I was wrong. Bernie did stump for Obama in 2008
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:17 PM
Oct 2015
Sen. Bernie Sanders stumps for Obama at local rally

JOHN D. WALLER, Staff Writer
POSTED: 08/11/2008 02:58:55 AM EDT


Monday, August 11
BENNINGTON — U.S. Sen Bernie Sanders did not speak highly of President George W. Bush's years in office on Saturday.
"We have the worst president in modern history," Sanders, an independent, said. "I say that with no joy."

Sanders attempted to rally support for Democratic Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign Saturday. He spoke to about 80 people at Mount Anthony Union Middle School, telling them America has been heading in the wrong direction over the last seven and a half years.

~Snip

Sanders urged the Vermonters in attendance not only to vote for Obama in the upcoming election, but to convince others to do the same, as Obama will likely win their state, he said.

full source:
http://www.benningtonbanner.com/ci_10163286

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
31. i'm sure if you get any answers, they won't count
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:12 PM
Oct 2015

I have very high confidence in your ability to spin any answers you might get.

Response to bravenak (Reply #41)

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
94. Ok. I guess I can accept those he endorsed as well as those who endorsed him.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:02 PM
Oct 2015

I'm cool like that.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
62. You speak for "most" black people?
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:26 PM
Oct 2015

That's rather presumptuous, wouldn't you say? Sure, maybe at DU or the Clinton Cave, but DU and the Clinton Cave aren't the real world, now, are they? (Aaah, it felt good to throw that back for a change...)

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
97. The comparison wasn't between blacks and whites.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:07 PM
Oct 2015

This is about you claiming to speak for other black people, and how presumptuous that is. Of course, the hallelujah chorus will be along any moment to back you up, but there is life beyond DU's protected groups and the Clinton Cave. Which, by the way, has only 9 people online right now. Solidarity, people! Show the site a little love!

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
34. lol, if that were Tom Joyner, I'd be impressed
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:14 PM
Oct 2015

Tavis Smiley is as much of a pariah nowadays as Dr. Cornel West.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
23. Is your internet search feature broken?
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:10 PM
Oct 2015

We're not your trained monkeys.

Politicians know who's buttering the bread after office, and it's not one Mr. Bernard Sanders. Bill and Hill will take care of 'em.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
63. Politicians of all colors and stripes
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:26 PM
Oct 2015

Serving out of self interest. That is our real problem. Sad to say, that includes many of my democratic latino politicians.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
68. Who better to cash in with after office than the Clintons?
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:29 PM
Oct 2015

The "endorsement" question pretty much answers itself, but we all can play along in yet another divisive OP.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
101. I just spent nearly three hours with "The Tin Drum"...
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:12 PM
Oct 2015

something I haven't watch since college. Yes, I'm in a weird mood.

Enjoy your movie and have a good night yourself.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
26. How many PoC office holding Democrats have stumped for Bernie?
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:11 PM
Oct 2015

Huh?

Well?

They must all be Jew haters.



99Forever

(14,524 posts)
38. You gawddamn right they do.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:15 PM
Oct 2015

What comes around, goes around. You asked for it, you got it.


And it ain't fucking Toyota.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
151. Straight up truth.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:31 AM
Oct 2015

You have been amazingly calm in these threads. Calling out the bullshit, throwing out good questions, and making people think. Giving a lot of opportunities to learn.

We don't agree on everything (a fair bit), but it's fun to watch an educator work, especially with people who don't want to listen.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
153. I lack emotion for these candidates. Amazing how not loving them makes one see things.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:33 AM
Oct 2015

I did decide that some needed an education after this summer, tough love, lectures, mirrors, etc.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
131. Results of your jury service:
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Oct 2015

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WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
116. And Cheese Sandwich is talking about Hillary.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:25 PM
Oct 2015

Didn't realize that little gem came out of Hill's mouth. This has become a useful thread after all!

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
135. S/he did start a thread about it
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:25 PM
Oct 2015

at http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017300425

and tried to start another one today, but it was juried out.

It's nonsense, as was pointed out in his/her first thread about it. You need context which was discussed there.

And I say this as a Bernie supporter. There are so many good reasons one might prefer BS to HRC, there's no reason to make stuff up, quote people out of context, etc.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
144. So it was a dismissive, smart-ass reply of Hillary's?
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:47 PM
Oct 2015

I don't think she's racist. But I also don't believe she's the great champion of AAs that many on DU would have us believe...

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
150. I agree, not racist. As for dismissive or smart-ass...
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:15 AM
Oct 2015

...well, I'd say that perspective that is a little more defensible, though honestly, I don't even really see it as that. I think it was engaged conversation, and if people use sarcasm and such to make a point, I don't necessarily equate that to being dismissive or being a smart-ass.

Though I think you and I would agree in thinking that BS would be at least as much a champion for the AA community as HRC, and probably more. It will be interesting to see whether he can make significant inroads there between now and March.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
39. Bernie Sanders gave them the
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:16 PM
Oct 2015

"don't you know who I am" treatment at NN...we're not going to go through this again, now are we?

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
61. Holy crap. I can't believe she actually said that.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:23 PM
Oct 2015

As I've said to several people on here, I'm not surprised that Bernie isn't doing well with black folks. I'm shocked that Hillary IS.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
76. While that was a bit of a tone deaf moment for Hillary
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:35 PM
Oct 2015

That would actually be somewhat of a positive use of white privilege (see: Tim Wise).

Truth is, some white people would actually listen if it came from another white person.

Granted, though, that Hillary was throwing a bit of shade there but remember that she also said

"imagine what we would feel if white drivers...white offenders..."

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Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
106. Media is giving her a pass
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:14 PM
Oct 2015

They shape the conversation CNN, MSNBC. Bernie's "problem with black people" is the official meme of this election. See OP for classic example.

LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
29. I was reading several weeks ago that some of the black groups were using the phrase
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:12 PM
Oct 2015

"But what have you done for us recently". Down here in Arkansas the ACORN community radio station find fault with just about all the local and national political figures for not doing anything about jobs for the minorities. When I was listening they were grilling the mayor of Little Rock as to why when they have projects going on the contractors do not hire any local people to even do jobs like sweep up. So the economic issues are present but not coupled to national politics. They even gripped about when the Clinton Foundation came to Pine Bluff that no local people were hired to even bring food or sandwiches. I have heard this a lot about most of the Liberal and Progressive groups, like the locals are not good enough to even sweep the floors.

Personally I think that the issue of economic equality is what will help every one. I saw it before the housing crisis where the low income people were succored into loans that anyone in there right mind knew they could not afford, but the loan writer made a commission so no one cared.

But as far as Sanders support of different people, I really don't know. He was there when the activists were doing their thing. I went to Selma as a young 17 year old and came back with stitches in my noggin and a big lump there, and trying to figure out an excuse to tell my right wing parents. My brother though was attending KKK rallies in our area of South Arkansas.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
70. Sorry.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:32 PM
Oct 2015

I believe that full equality and changes to the system are needed before any disadvantaged person will recieve their fair share and that money cannot cure racism. I am a social justice over economic justice person in that I see both as integral, but know that the distribution will be unfair until we solve some social problems and design a way to ensure we will not have another situation like under FDR where black domestics were left out of social security or black veterans could not use the GI Bill.

LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
88. I tend to agree, social justice still takes a long time. We have come a long way, but I think
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:49 PM
Oct 2015

takes many generations for it to filter down. God, there is still prejudice against American Indians. We can look at how rich blacks are treated. I can't remember when the police killed a rich black man at a traffic stop. It has happened (accidentally though).

I really think that the non-whites have got to get out and start voting. I read all the time where in a small town that is 60%+ black and has a white city council, a white major and white police force. That makes no sense at all if the POC are voting. I really do not believe they are.

We have a great community radio station that ACORN set up and it covers a lot of these things.. KABF.ORG BTW most people do not know that ACORN was originally Arkansas Community Organizations for Reform Now started in Little Rock. After a bit they changed it to Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN).

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
157. This.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 01:11 AM
Oct 2015

It took me a while to see why people put social justice first rather then coupled with economic justice. But I agree.

This is the biggest reason I think I split off from working with the ISO. They always intertwined the economic mechanisms of our society with the mechanisms or systems of racial and social control. While they are immensely closely linked, they are separate. Capitalism may be a huge part of the problem, but the fully developed state of racial control is absolutely distinct. However close you may get economically, you will not achieve full equality without meaningfully addressing the perpetuation of racism and white supremacy, and to be blunt, the genocide of black Americans. I never really felt like they did that, though to be fair they did so far more than most, and probably better than me.

The same I believe applies to gender inequality (and that includes the identity inequality that stems from gender inequality).

I don't think that any of this can be done without a movement that addresses things from every angle. Individual pieces will be solved, but like the Civil Rights Act or FDR's economic populism, it will eventually be eroded. We need a movement that listens and adapts quickly, reacting to input from activists of all stripes and involving people in a fully-developed conversation prioritizing minority speech. People have to engage; ignorance is our greatest enemy.

Education is always the answer. Like I said, it's fun to watch you in these threads. I get a lot from it.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
158. Great post.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 01:17 AM
Oct 2015

I have been struggling to put to words exactly what my deal is and I had a eureka moment and went from there. The pie crust thing really had me thinking how many really think it is their due to have a higher position in the social order and sweep social issues into the economic issues BECAUSE they know we will never get to those, ensuring them a continue place of privilege.
Just because someone labels themselves left, does not make it so. They are ALL WAY to MY right, and yours.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
168. Left can mean a whole lot of things.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:17 AM
Oct 2015

Sanders is attempting to redefine one meaning right now. We'll see if he does. I think he's already made a huge difference in running simply an anti-capitalist campaign, if only in name and not in manner.

Being left will always mean total and unrelenting commitment to social equality above and beyond all else, because without that awareness, there is no way we're strong enough to break free of the current place we're in. I prefer to use racial awareness, knowledge, and resolve for equality as measures for social justice, as we're going to see huge disparities in more conventional metrics for generations. I like those measurements because they never imply the problem is going to be solvable. Racism will probably never be fully cured--certainly not within the next century or three. (Not that I have any way of knowing.) Leftists will fight for that awareness even more strongly then for that change, because solutions and change only arise from that ultimate respect we can give each other. I know you're an atheist, as am I, and it's that kind of "well, we're each random bits of things floating around inconsequentially throughout a vast and wondeful universe, so what claim of being "better" than you or it could I possibly have?" respect we are going to need in order to get things fixed. We have to be able to have equality between each of us individually before we can have equality as a society.

There's a lot of varying shades of leftists in our global political system, but being left will always mean that, to me.

That's a problem with any of our candidates, unfortunately. None are all that left.

So the question becomes, how do we get people to understand? What's the most effective way to question the privileged in such a manner that they understand another perspective? How do we communicate, what do we teach? How do we bring empathy into a society?

I think that questioning the privileged is a job of us all. The oppressed need to resist, as they always have. But the privileged need to fight their privilege with the same commitment.

There's been things around here talking about the privileged refusing to lift others to the same level before moving on. 15,000 show up for a teacher's strike, but only 6,000 for an MLK Day march. Without denigrating the strike, if that kind of support existed for blacks in Seattle, we would be far further along the way for social justice here. This is on the privileged, and always has been. But getting them to recognize and refute their privilege is all sorts of fun, as you know.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
99. I am not real sure this is a relevant question. Remember
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:09 PM
Oct 2015

that up until lately Bernie has not been all that well known. So if someone in another state is running for office would they even ask the little known congressman/senator from Vermont to stump for them?

They would more than likely ask an ex-president or his wife to do that - someone everyone knew.

If I am not mistaken Bernie endorsed Jessie Jackson because they had worked on issues together in the past.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
134. Yeah I know. I am not a tv watcher but I really miss the
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:19 PM
Oct 2015

night time crew being able to speak their minds.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
51. Since noone brought up the name yet
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:18 PM
Oct 2015

Keith Ellison did endorse Sanders...although, being from Minnesota, that wasn't exactly a surprise (I fully expect Sanders to win Minnesota on Super Tuesday)

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
83. I'm an atheist too.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:41 PM
Oct 2015

I was happy to see him use that book though. Our congress is not very diverse in that way. Kinda scary to me.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
91. bravenak, you need to STOP!
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:53 PM
Oct 2015

all the white folks think that all blacks loves them some Jesus...you are ruining our reputation (says this agnostic)!
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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
93. My shucking and jiving will conceal my non jesus praising ways!
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:00 PM
Oct 2015

When they comes into de field! Law! I jus puts on my bess face, and sho nuff, they say, "That negress loves her some Jesus, look how happy she be!"

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
107. I knew nothing about him until he was sworn in.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:15 PM
Oct 2015

But when I heard about the Quran, I said, "That is a smart, smart man."

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
90. Not many I'd guess
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:51 PM
Oct 2015

It's not because he's a racist. I'm not sure he stumped for many white ones outside of Vermont.

That wasn't his focus. He was focused on working on issues as a House member and then as a Senator -- and on representing Vermont.

He was not collecting favors for an eventual run at the White House. And he was a political independent, so he was not doing the partisan thing either.

Nor was he a widely known national figure that other politicians were begging to come to their states.



whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
112. Your good answer is wasted
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:22 PM
Oct 2015

I don't believe the OP is genuinely interested in knowing the truth of the matter.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
109. Well, Sanders did get an endorsement...sort of
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:18 PM
Oct 2015

from his opponent in his 1990 Congressional race...Dolores Sandoval

Sanders does have at least one unequivocal fan among African Americans who have known him well. Dolores Sandoval, a Democrat who lost to Sanders in the race for the U.S. House in 1990, says, "It's always been my impression that he's been good on racial issues." She singles out his 2002 House vote opposing the U.S. invasion of Iraq, which Sandoval describes as "a racist endeavor."

Sandoval predicts that Sanders "is going to get support in the black, Latino and other minority communities because he's talking about jobs."

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
130. I find this race between then interesting. I need to explore the issue more and read more on it.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:51 PM
Oct 2015

Number23

(24,544 posts)
165. That's a great link.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 01:42 AM
Oct 2015
Sanders' tiny degree of support in minority communities reflects his scant name recognition there in contrast with Clinton's. But it also stems from Sanders' general silence on race issues during his eight years as Burlington mayor, 16 years as a U.S. House member and nine years in the U.S. Senate.

The 73-year-old socialist has focused on class inequities throughout his career, and that emphasis encompasses many of the fundamental concerns of African Americans and Latinos. But Vermont's 95 percent white makeup means "he hasn't been forced to look at these issues through the lens of color," says Hal Colston, the African American director of Partnership for Change, a Burlington-area group advocating greater inclusiveness in public education.


That's certainly the way it looks to me as well.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
132. the talking point is that he's a dong-swinging chauvinist, not a Portlandia-style race-blind pinko
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:13 PM
Oct 2015

stay on track!

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
170. Not nonsensical at all.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:21 AM
Oct 2015

It actually made me think.

As I understand it, 'third-way progressive' means self-described progressive on economic justice issues, but moderate or ignorant on social justice and / or race matters.

You'll need to ask her for a better definition since she coined the term.

What's with your hectoring insults toward people having an intelligent conversation?

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
139. Initial response, I have no f'ing clue ...
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:35 PM
Oct 2015

And really do not watch or count endorsements by skin color!

Now if you had pointed to an issue and his support or non support then that is a fair question.

But do really need to continue the 'Bernie hates blacks meme' on DU or anywhere?

Do you want to define every action based on skin color? And if so, are you not part of the problem by constantly pointing that out?

I think you need to broaden your view to all those who seek to fight for equality for all, regardless of their skin color, gender preference, religious or any other preference you can imagine!




 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
142. Thank you for your advice. And insinuations.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:43 PM
Oct 2015

I just want to know why Blacks should give bernie their votes. One measure of helping to promote social justice is through providing support to our politicians. It helps our concern be addressed or at least brought up to have blacks in government. Hillary stumps for our politicians, I wanted to see if he did as well. Compare their records, if you will.

Blacks do not do as well when we do not have politicians in office who are black to bring up our concerns, just as we do not do well with all white police forces or all white juries, there is so much bias, we MUST worry about OUR skin color. Because we are in danger, the only group in as much or more are native americans, the two groups who have been done worse, our people MUST BE CONCERNED WITH OUR COLOR, it is dangerous not to.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
156. I understand your concern, but you only need to look at Sander's stance for equality ...
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 01:11 AM
Oct 2015

not only of people of color but also for the LGBT community, even when it was not politically correct.

One can campaign for a person of color, but then vote for a war of aggression where it predominately affects persons of color who seek a change in their lives and strive for a higher education, these people of color might reside in a different country, but they matter.

Ultimately this is not based on a person's skin color, it is based on the on the opportunity presented to ALL people and in my opinion is what we need to focus upon. Every person should be given an an equal opportunity to excel, it should not be based on their skin color.

I am disheartend to see the race card being played once again. I will acknowledge that race plays a role, but I do not want to pertuate that role.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
166. Words like race card were historically used by conservatives against blacks and democrats as a
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 01:42 AM
Oct 2015

weapon. That is why I coined the term Third Way Progressive. Some do not know how insensitive it is for self described leftists to attack blacks with such insulting language. Some think it is their place to speak to us thus and refuse to correct this hurtful and possibly bigoted use of that phrase. I hope we can stop the use of that term towards blacks, as it can give them the possibly mistaken impression that they are dealing with a suspect individual.

Since every person is NOT given an equal chance to excell, the colorblind theory turns out to have racist results. It is unfortunate that many choose to ignore this in favor of their own world view, one which makes no privisions for how things actually are, but instead relies on how they should be as a jumping off point. That attitude leave us in this place of imbalance.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
147. I am discussing him stumping for candidates. I wil accept any poc. From his career as a politician.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:52 PM
Oct 2015
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
152. He is already listed on thread, but I have decided to count those who endore him as well as
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:31 AM
Oct 2015

those he endorsed and stumped for. As of now I will also accept women, lgbtq, disabled, and any poc running for office or who ever ran for office that he endorsed and stumped for or have endorsed him.

Response to bravenak (Reply #152)

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
149. I know when the third waters decided Kendrick meek was too dark to
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:10 AM
Oct 2015

Run against rubio and their support on this board of former.Republican and 3rd party candidate in florida
Which was allowed
When that happened I sent email and snail mail to hrc and was unanswered looking for some support for the winner of the Florida senatorial primary..at the time I didn't know.Sanders but I.did know Clinton. Unanswered mails unanswered emails.ànd Kendrick meek a man who would have made.Florida.proud was waylayed.in favor.of Charlie crist. Same to every one I did.send the same damn letter.
The fact.that the same people.who were.so.adamantly for crist in stead of meek are now the same ones pushing Hillary down my throat tells me all I need to know.about her and then.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
164. I have decided to accept women politicians, lgbtq ones, and poc, and any disabled or veterans
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 01:35 AM
Oct 2015

of the millitary who are in politics.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
167. In the past very few would want what he had to offer
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:00 AM
Oct 2015

Since 1980 dems have been running from his ideas

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
174. so tell us- How many Politicians has Bernie Sanders stumped for, period?
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:16 AM
Oct 2015

name them I'll be waiting

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
179. I'll tell you - Barack Obama in 2012
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:23 AM
Oct 2015

Sen. Sanders to stump for Obama in Portsmouth

U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders said he's so concerned about the future of the country that he's coming to various locations in the Granite State, including Portsmouth, to talk directly to local residents.
"The idea of making drastic cuts to senior programs including Medicare, and to Medicaid, and giving huge tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans, is in my mind not only immoral, it's bad economic policy," the Vermont lawmaker said. "I am a very strong advocate for grass-roots politics, and I want to talk about these issues in more than 30-second sound bites."
Sanders, an independent, will be at South Church at 10 a.m. Saturday, Sept. 22, before attending rallies at noon in Rochester and 5:30 p.m. in Conway. This coming Saturday, Sept. 15, Sanders will visit Keene, Claremont, Hanover and Concord.
Sanders said he is coming to New Hampshire to have a "dialogue" with people and encourage them to vote for President Barack Obama in November. If former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney is elected, Sanders said, he fears America could devolve into an oligarchy.

http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20120913/NEWS/209130410

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
190. How does that make you feel? That perception you have?
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:35 PM
Oct 2015

I told you I am not. That should be enough.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
191. You told me you're not making things up? And that should be reason to believe you?
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:36 PM
Oct 2015

All context and all evidence to the contrary?

No.

I reject that claim.

You are still making things up.

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