Hillary Clinton will get us into another war.

[Bread and Circus]

Bookmark those words.

Link them back to me and if I am wrong when her term is over I will donate $1,000 to DU or any one singular charity of DU's choice to be majority voted on or polled in that thread showing me I was wrong.

This is the number one issue for me. I am so tired of people so willing to pull the trigger on other people's misery and death with so little regard for the aftermath of our actions.

[Agschmid]

1. Doubt it.

Glad you have $1000 to throw around.

[onecent]

79. Everyone knows Hiliary is a War Monger......

She's ripe and ready for a good war.

I'm still going to vote for her..cuz WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO AVOID ONE IN THE NEXT 9 YEARS...Ha
NO
One

[firebrand80]

2. It' highly unlikely that there won't be a new instance of US Military engagment

no matter who the next President is. The world is a dangerous place, and a lot can change in 4 years.

The question is whether we trust the President to use Military force wisely.

[Maedhros]

18. With Hillary, I have no confidence she will use military force wisely.

She was an architect of the Libyan fiasco, which has proven to be a huge mistake. Afterward, when the country had been plunged into disarray and bloody chaos, Hillary went on national TV and gloated just like Bush: "We came, we saw, he died." She should have given that speech from the deck of an aircraft carrier with a "Mission Accomplished" banner.

[peacebird]

55. "We came, we saw, he died" and lying about sniper fire at the airport should disqualify her

from any serious consideration.....

[leveymg]

56. It would be an extraordinary exception to HRC record (and for any President) if there weren't a war.

Hardly, "highly unlikely". On what basis do you say anything so self-evidently silly? Blind loyalty to a candidate doesn't count.

[firebrand80]

62. History & The current state of the world

American history suggests that every President becomes involved in some type of military action.

The Middle East is quite literally falling apart, Islamic terrorists are spreading into Africa, Putin seems hell-bent on reigniting the cold-war, North Korea is always the ultimate wild card, a handful of African countries are always either in or on the brink of civil war...I just find it highly unlikely that something isn't going to happen somewhere that drags us into a military conflict.

Again, they key is having a President smart enough to not let it become a Bush-style fiasco.

My larger point is that betting that we will have to use our military in the next few years is a pretty safe bet, and it has nothing to do with whether HRC is President.

[leveymg]

63. The key to not having another war is a President smarter than Hillary

And with a lot more integrity and compassion. War is her default position.

[whatchamacallit]

3. "No she won't, or if she does it's necessary, or something..." n/t

[Bread and Circus]

6. I didn't ask you to put up a grand. Only my money is at stake.

[Art_from_Ark]

67. She talked about setting up a no-fly zone over Syria

And she even said that some people in Iran would actually welcome a war against their country.

[polly7]

73. War, 'no-fly zones' ... those words flow from some people's lips so easily.

Laughing in any way during a discussion of it all just blows my mind.

Does she really believe any sane person on earth wants war - especially brought to them by an outside military - in their own country? - especially after seeing the horrors of neighbouring Iraq, and knowing it themselves during the Iran/Iraq war in which both sides were armed? Of course we saw how easily the destruction of Libya and Iraq were sold using that same type of crap-talk. I honestly can't understand how removed someone has to be from the horrific toll of suffering, during and after, to even allude to mention of doing it all over.

[SwampG8r]

91. What's with the self deletes?

I always think they said something hideworthy and deleted before the jury

[treestar]

5. This one is absurd

One vote on one war does not mean a person always is up for a war. Hillary is not a Republican. Hillary is no McCain. It is the Rs who want to have wars and find excuses to get us into them.

[Bread and Circus]

7. Pay close attention to what she says.

It is not just IWR vote I am talking about.

[artislife]

13. How about air strikes?

We are just judging on past action...s!

[Evergreen Emerald]

8. We have some bored Sanders supporters on DU this morning.

I have a whole yard that needs mowing if you have nothing to do.

[Bread and Circus]

10. Ok when the neocons and the neoliberals throw the next one...

I will be happy to remind you of your jokey words.

[randys1]

27. You seem sincere, and I appreciate your passion about war, I am with you on that.

Hillary is likely more quick to military action than Bernie, but ALL GOP candidates are not just more likely to go to war than Hillary, they are all waiting to go to war in Iran, the instant they take over.

[Bread and Circus]

39. Absolutely. I promise once Clinton is the official nominee I will not campaign against her.

Until then I feel I need to be a part of the party that has a moral outrage against the powers that be that get us into all the stupid foreign entanglements. Hillary is a part of that machine.

[Capn Sunshine]

64. what about after she's elected?

DU has become known as the place people who hate the president go. When I was active here prior to Obama's election, I thought these people were like me, complaining about a truly bad President.

But I have learned that to many at DU, EVERY President is a truly bad President.

[Bread and Circus]

71. Depends on what she does. I think that's fair? Do you?

[artislife]

15. Maybe you should take care of your own house?

[99th_Monkey]

9. Weapons Industry Dumps Republicans, Backs Hillary

http://www.alternet.org/story/65869/weapons_industry_dumps_republicans,_backs_hillary

"According to an exhaustive trillion-word report by the International Business Times, the Clinton State Department authorized approximately eleventeen metric fucktons of defense contracts between corporations and countries that, coincidentally uh huh sure right, happened to donate a whole bunch of money to the Clinton Foundation and to Bill Clinton (that’s her husband) for doing his high-priced speechifying thing"
Read more at http://wonkette.com/586746/is-hillary-clinton-worlds-evilest-arms-dealer-ever-maybe#lqcu0OBz1bf7CX7G.99

[MohRokTah]

11. Bullshit. eom

[Android3.14]

21. More than 500,000 dead Iraqis would beg to differ

If Hillary hadn't voted for the war that killed them.

The data are compelling.

[MohRokTah]

22. A no vote from Hillary would not have altered a thing.

You're just being ridiculous now.

[Android3.14]

25. It would have altered my view of Clinton as an effective leader

If you think 500,000 people dying for lack of leadership is ridiculous, then you have a sickness in your soul.

[MohRokTah]

26. Let's see, a Senator from NY is asked to vote on an authorization for use of military force

after NYC had been attacked by terrorists and the administration is attempting to draw a line between those attacks and Iraq, all the while claiming Iraq has WMD which could next be used on NYC...

You have some really lame expectations there.

[Android3.14]

34. I expect Hillary to do exactly what she has done in the past. Follow the wealthy herd

You must think Hillary is totally stupid, because only a mentally defective person believed Iraq had WMDs.

Here's a clue, Moh. Hillary is a smart lady. No one would call her stupid. She just makes poor decisions because she lacks ethics. She never believed Iraq was going to bomb NYC, but she was willing to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of lives rather than risk her power and influence trying to turn that tide.

[MohRokTah]

35. A senator represents the people of their state

NY overwhelmingly supported the AUMF when it came to a vote.

Hillary did what Senators do.

[Android3.14]

46. A politician, maybe, but certainly not an ethical statesman

Would you support her if she "represented" her state if New Yorkers overwhelmingly supported rounding up middle eastern folks and throwing them into death camps?

Of course not.

I would hope she would never do anything like this, but this shows exactly the fallacy of your argument. Just because the majority of the people in a senator's state want something evil is a lousy reason to give the senator a pass on an evil decision.

[MohRokTah]

47. .

[Android3.14]

49. .

[Bread and Circus]

40. If her vote didn't matter then why did she vote yes?

[Android3.14]

50. hear those crickets?

That's the sound of someone who knows he or she is wrong.

[UglyGreed]

12. We came, we saw

he died..............

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. Well, since she's NOT going to be the nominee, I have to disagree, but

should the DNC shills steal the elections/primaries for her (Anonymous will stop them!), then I will agree. We'll be at war with Iran at some point during her warmonering presidency. Without question. She's already beating her war drums.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[upaloopa]

17. Put up the money now and take it back

when the war starts.

[leftofcool]

19. Flame bait #3

[TwilightGardener]

20. I agree. Gotta show she's tough!! She'll stock her national security team with neocons

and interventionists. I expect we'll see Petraeus again, for example. Edit to add: she'd better hurry, she's running out of the more distasteful dictators to knock over. I'm sure she'll find one or two craphole countries to upend, though.

[bravenak]

23. Does Bernie regret voting to fund the IDF and Netanyahu during the last Gaza Operation?

I really thought that was a bad idea to give more weapons to that Likud Leader Bibi and more bombs and stuff. After the beach thing I had hoped we would cut off providing weapons of war to the IDF. So many civilians.

[F4lconF16]

61. His foreign policy and ties to the MIC are serious concerns.

It's the most clear difference between his rhetoric and his reality, and the biggest reason I have trouble supporting his candidacy. The racial issues are concerns common to all liberal candidates.

Clinton is a full-blown neoliberal war hawk. I am confident she will continue to support the massive war industry and the resulting death, misery, and chaos it brings. Her actions in Honduras and elsewhere as SOS do not bode well for a presidency.

Sanders, while being far, far from perfect, at least had the courage not to go along with blatantly obvious American imperialism. That he was a C.O is somewhat comforting, and his work in defence of veterans shows he at least understands the cost of war. Clinton's attitude towards collateral damage in the interests of geopolitical power and economic gains worry me in much the same manner Obama's attitude towards drone strikes and war has.

It's also one of the big reasons I support a Sanders presidency. The world needs a temporary break from the worst of our shit just to get a handle on the mess we're in. If we're fucking up the Middle East like every neoliberal so far has, things are going to get worse. We are in global collapse, and are often too US-centric. We cannot maintain American imperialism abroad in the same manner we do now. I don't anticipate any massive change from Sanders, but any willingness to redirect military funds towards populist programs would be helpful.

[oasis]

24. You're willing to create an escrow account for the $1,000?

Otherwise, after HRC takes the oath of office, you might get the urge to skeedaddle.

[oasis]

44. Crickets? Well okay then. Let's say we reduce it to $500?

After all, why let $500 stand in the way of such a noble gesture. Get back to us when you have the account set up. Until then,

[cantbeserious]

28. No Truer Words Have Been Spoken

eom

[MisterP]

31. of course "pull the trigger on other people's misery and death with so little regard for the

aftermath" is exactly what they'll accuse anyone who complained of doing--"the other guy will start a war too! and your complaints voted him in! it couldn't have been because two warmongers were running! just couldn't!!!"

[msongs]

32. Sanders supports Obama's Afghanistan US troops extension... nt

[saturnsring]

37. didnt he also approve of the drone program

[TheFarseer]

33. agree

At some point the Rs will question her toughness and she'll have to prove she has the biggest balls of them all.

[saturnsring]

36. right just like bernie's going to raise the tax rate to 60% to be like denmark

[JoePhilly]

38. If you count drone strikes as war ...

... so will Bernie.

[zappaman]

41. So you are assuming she will be the nominee?

[Bread and Circus]

42. Probable nominee but not yet above reproach.

[Bread and Circus]

43. Not ready to throw in the towel. I also want a real three way debate

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

45. It's the American way running foreign policy.

[moobu2]

48. And Bernie Sanders will have us all speaking Chinese within a couple of years.

[LiberalArkie]

54. Results

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[valerief]

51. That's my fear with her presidency. In fact, that was my fear

with Obama. He kept talking about Pakistan and Afghanistan in his pre-election speeches. That's why I voted for Kucinich in the primaries.

But it's all moot. The gerrymandering of Congress has us doomed.

[Thinkingabout]

52. Sanders has also stated he will be ready for military action and will use drones, what then is your

Next choice?

[WDIM]

53. She will continue the same PNAC plan of unending war. nt

[leveymg]

57. I'll see you and raise you on that point. Hillary is the leading neocon in the Democratic Party.

In addition, she's an open admirer of Henry Kissinger, an unapologetic war criminal, and an apt student of Bernard Lewis, the leading advocate of Mideast regime change.

She's a series of wars ready to be started.

[WDIM]

60. The war profiteers wouldnt have it any other way. nt

[riderinthestorm]

65. Agreed. I'm not sure we've ever disagreed leveymg

Im slammed at the willful blindness.

Hillary not prepared to give up on Libya...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251719276



We're looking at a perpetuation of this. Hillary vows to continue Obamas legacy...Endless war without serious examination of our policies, their affects globally and domestically.

[Smarmie Doofus]

58. Take your $$ off of the table. OF COURSE she's going to start wars.

Of COURSE they'll be agin' countries inhabited by brown and dark people

Of COURSE people on DU will fumble for excuses for her.

But they won't, technically, be "wars". You lose by technicality.

They'll be "police actions", "incursions, etc.

But they won't be "wars."

MONEY. OFF. THE. TABLE.


NOW!!!!!

[morningfog]

59. NO doubt about it. It may be just the exansion of Obama's Iraq and Syria War,

but there is no doubt that HIllary will engage us in war within her first term.

[Dem2]

66. Nice.

Is this how we're promoting our candidate of choice now?

[frylock]

86. Who's candidate of choice?

[Dem2]

87. Any of the three

I like them all though not as fond of O'Malley.

[sabrina 1]

68. Top issue for me too. These wars must end. And no, Hillary will not do that.

[brooklynite]

70. And you know that Sanders will meet your demands?

He'll pull us out of Afghanistan and Iraq? Leave Syria to deal with ISIS? Withdraw our NATO troops from Europe? What will you consider not living up to your expectations.

[cpwm17]

69. "I am so tired of people so willing to pull the trigger on other people's misery and death

with so little regard for the aftermath of our actions." I find this attitude so evil.

This is also the number one issue for me and Hillary is a proven war lover.

[Autumn]

72. Hillary is very much a hawk, as she has said she will not hesitate.

I want a leader who will hesitate and look for other avenues than military force.

[McCamy Taylor]

74. Back in 1976, GOPers I knew said the same of Carter.

Was not true then and it is not true now.

"He/she will get us into a war" is an easy shot but impossible to substantiate---unless you are talking about a Bush. I predicted in 2000 that W. was going to get us into at least one middle eastern war---because his brother's Project for a New American Century called for war. Given the absolute certainty that a Republican will start another war for oil (prices) I am going to save my vitriol for the general.

[Bread and Circus]

76. I don't think you really understand Clinton in light of this post.

I don't think you are paying attention to who her advisers are and who her donors are and what they want.

[Bread and Circus]

75. Bump. I am telling you folks there is gonna be a price to pay.

[Live and Learn]

77. I have no doubt about it either. nt

[Bread and Circus]

78. Seems like I will get to keep my money so far.

[BootinUp]

80. I sincerely doubt you even read or listened to the speech

Because if you did, you would have read or heard this:

"A more effective coalition air campaign is necessary, but not sufficient, and we should be honest about the fact that to be successful, airstrikes will have to be combined with ground forces actually taking back more territory from ISIS. Like President Obama, I do not believe that we should again have 100,000 American troops in combat in the Middle East. That is just not the smart move to make here. If we have learned anything from 15 years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan, it’s that local people and nations have to secure their own communities. We can help them, and we should, but we cannot substitute for them. But we can and should support local and regional ground forces in carrying out this mission."

[Bread and Circus]

83. You are correct. I wrote this OP well before today. It's just that my prediction...

...seems more and more accurate every day.

[in_cog_ni_to]

84. Spit On, B and C!

The WARMONGER confirmed.

[BootinUp]

85. lol. Ok.

[EndElectoral]

81. In her foreign policy speech she's asked for an authorization of war

[Sheepshank]

82. to hell with the reality of what is going on with ISIS

it's more important to predict that she will lock the US into a war regardless of the actual reality of what wheels may already be in motion internationally.

[gollygee]

88. I don't know if anyone would be able to avoid war at this point.

I'm afraid we're likely to be stuck in it regardless of who the next president is.

[Bread and Circus]

89. Let's give Bernie a chance instead of just accepting war.

[brooklynite]

90. What would Bernie do?

We have American troops engaged in the Middle East; we have civilians at risk of terror attacks.

Regardless of the causes and origins, what would a President Sanders do now?

[Bread and Circus]

92. Not over react for one thing. Let's try that for a change.

[brooklynite]

93. ...and after he doesn't over-react?

Your answer isn't telling me a lot.