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Related: About this forumSo this will be the entire point of the Romney-Ryan campaign. Lie lie lie. Muddy the waters.
The Only Big Idea Coming Out of the Romney-Ryan Camp Is the Big Lie
by Michael Tomasky Aug 21, 2012
Romney and Ryan are both turning somersaults to say that they are this big government programs true protectors. Ryan even dragged his mother into it over the weekend! And as for Romney, it is just astonishing to hear him stand up as he did last week and whack Obama for cutting $716 billion from Medicare while lavishing praise on Ryan, whose Medicare plan from last year cuts exactly the same $716 billion (and then some), and say that he and Ryan are going to save Medicare, unlike that nasty Obama.
The truth, of course, is that Ryans premium support plan would devastate Medicare because it would slow the increased spending to a rate well below the rate at which health-care costs have been rising in recent years. In polls like one the Kaiser Family Foundation commissioned earlier this year, even majorities of Republicans dont want Medicare restructured along Ryanesque lines. These guys may not be able to count, but they can read polls, and so they know very well that if they gave the county the honest debate we were told we were going to have about Medicare, and for that matter about taxation, theyd wake up Nov. 7 with about 120 electoral votes in their pockets and conservatism in tatters.
They know this. They know that the truth would crush them electorally. And so it follows that they know they must lie. They must lie about their Medicare plans. They must lie about the effects of their tax plans on average people and rich people. And they must tell a number of lies about Obama, all the better if they involve race, as the welfare lie does.
So this will be the entire point of the Romney-Ryan campaign. Lie lie lie. Muddy the waters. Turn day to night, fire to water, champagne to piss. Peddle themselves as the precise opposite of what they actually are. That is clearly the m.o.
by Michael Tomasky Aug 21, 2012
Romney and Ryan are both turning somersaults to say that they are this big government programs true protectors. Ryan even dragged his mother into it over the weekend! And as for Romney, it is just astonishing to hear him stand up as he did last week and whack Obama for cutting $716 billion from Medicare while lavishing praise on Ryan, whose Medicare plan from last year cuts exactly the same $716 billion (and then some), and say that he and Ryan are going to save Medicare, unlike that nasty Obama.
The truth, of course, is that Ryans premium support plan would devastate Medicare because it would slow the increased spending to a rate well below the rate at which health-care costs have been rising in recent years. In polls like one the Kaiser Family Foundation commissioned earlier this year, even majorities of Republicans dont want Medicare restructured along Ryanesque lines. These guys may not be able to count, but they can read polls, and so they know very well that if they gave the county the honest debate we were told we were going to have about Medicare, and for that matter about taxation, theyd wake up Nov. 7 with about 120 electoral votes in their pockets and conservatism in tatters.
They know this. They know that the truth would crush them electorally. And so it follows that they know they must lie. They must lie about their Medicare plans. They must lie about the effects of their tax plans on average people and rich people. And they must tell a number of lies about Obama, all the better if they involve race, as the welfare lie does.
So this will be the entire point of the Romney-Ryan campaign. Lie lie lie. Muddy the waters. Turn day to night, fire to water, champagne to piss. Peddle themselves as the precise opposite of what they actually are. That is clearly the m.o.
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So this will be the entire point of the Romney-Ryan campaign. Lie lie lie. Muddy the waters. (Original Post)
flpoljunkie
Aug 2012
OP
get the red out
(13,466 posts)1. Well, they are Republicans
That's their culture.
badgolfer
(244 posts)2. Republicans
Republicans have most Americans believing that they are pro-life by saving the fetus.
Yet, they want to do away with most of the Federal programs that prolong life; such as, Food Stamps, CHIP, school lunches, Medicaid, education, etc, etc, and etc. Also, they want a war with Iran; this is pro-life?
They have hoodwinked the American people big time.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,414 posts)4. RE: Iran
Don't worry! War with Iran will only last 30 days and lead to only 500 deaths!!!
http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFBRE87E0AO20120815
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,414 posts)3. I think you pretty much nailed it
It's sickening, isn't it? The sad part is that some people will actually fall for it.