2016 Postmortem
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it's really difficult to understand why John Lewis is endorsing Hillary.
On edit: Has anyone given any thought to the fact that if MLK were alive today he probably would not Endorse Hillary?
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)luvspeas
(1,883 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)such nonsense when an endorsement comes out. This is really childish.
luvspeas
(1,883 posts)The op edited his post to make it from insulting then sends me a pm telling me to stop attacking him. I might consider it if he sends me a certificate of completion from a diversity training.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)I think i can guess what he said and why, but I didnt hear it, thanks.
I can do this myself, apologize for asking you to do it, i was being lazy.
plus someone just posted it, thanks
Agschmid
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FSogol
(45,555 posts)What does the "lib" in your user name represent?
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bigtree
(86,008 posts)NOTHING about John Lewis's character, actions, or experience has been 'politically expedient.'
Spouting horseshit is one way to introduce yourself to this forum.
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bigtree
(86,008 posts)...I can 'substantiate' that.
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bigtree
(86,008 posts)...saying Lewis is being 'politically expedient' doesn't make it so.
You made the charge. You back it up with proof.
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NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I'm sick to this day of the point you make with "C."
People all over this board thought it was a great move for them to back Crist. It really pissed me off.
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NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Once again, he is at no risk in reelection.
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NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You are comparing apples to oranges. No, he is safe as could be. He isn't a bought man as you are suggesting.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Go figure.
FSogol
(45,555 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)she can taste this, and universe help anyone who gets in her way.
bigtree
(86,008 posts)...Lewis' income after decades in Congress actually suggests that money isn't his primary motivation in life.
As for his other motivations for public service, there are countless accounts of his career and life experience which deeply contradict your attempt to portray him as needy or craven.
luvspeas
(1,883 posts)Any time you make unsubstantiated assumptions around here about a democrat or progressive be prepared to have your own horseshit shoveled back at you. No offense intended. Keep a thick skin and be prepared to back up what you say and you'll be OK.
That is unless you post in the pro-Bernie group. Then you can say anything you want so long as the moderators like it. If not, you'll get banned.
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luvspeas
(1,883 posts)This kind of attitude gets old around here.
randys1
(16,286 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Is it right ? No. But understandable when seen through those lens.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)He won his last election with 84% of the vote.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/or2k6dd
mythology
(9,527 posts)Is likely to be intimidated. Good god are some people desperate to come up with any justification to not admit that the other candidates aren't evil.
It's pathetic that you think you can in any meaningful sense impugn the reputation of a man like John Lewis because you want to stomp your feet over the fact that your preferred candidate is losing in the polls.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)on the democratic underground.
The OP's insinuations about John Lewis are outrageous!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I am outraged!!
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Screed against John Lewis of all people!
Still stands! It's sickening!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)This will lure black voters, though. Just you wait and see! Nothing we like more than disparaging our civil rights heroes!
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I can't say what I'd really like to because I'd get a hide for sure but..
Without the Obama coalition no democratic candidate including Bernie will ever get the nomination.
And when Bernie fans get tired of beating up Hillary they naturally jump right into beating up the President.
The just can't help it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)a meany.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I swear we are nice as hell. As long as we get the respect we are due. I see no reason it shoukd not be so that we get the proper respect. I find myself having to demand the same level of respect other get. Time consuming. And so nasty to me.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)sugarcoat anything. Apparently if you don't jump on the proper bandwagon you're evil.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)How could we not? They crack me up all day.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)is going to hurt my feelings they are sorely mistaken. Hell my mom would roast them in a hot minute.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Mean. Yeah. Okay. Look whose talking about mean.
Nan one of them can point the finger on mean. Not without hundreds pointing back.
randys1
(16,286 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)She didn't like what 2 black posters were telling her so she tried to get more suitable answers. It back fired terribly.
Gothmog
(145,666 posts)John Lewis is in a very safe seat and is not endorsing Hillary Clinton due to fear. The premise of this post is simply wrong and sad
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Walking side by side with MLK means one is entitled to the endorsement of AA's?
I think an extremely good case could be made for him to endorse all of our candidates. Seems Lewis made his case. I don't get the thoughts of entitlement for protesting with millions of others. Awesome what Sanders did. Acting as if he is owed payback takes away from why Sanders was doing it.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)But I also knew that what we were trying to accomplish was vital to holding on to the promise of our country: that every person, regardless of race, had a say in their government.
I could never have guessed that in the year 2015, Id be fighting essentially the same fight all over again.
While Republican candidates keep insisting that there isnt a problem, Hillary Clinton has committed to turning the tide in favor of expanding voting rights for all Americans. Thats why Im proud to be a part of this week's launch of African Americans for Hillary -- and I hope youll join me.
I was proud to hear Hillary reaffirm her commitment to protecting voting rights in Alabama recently at the Alabama Democratic Conference Convention -- as well as to reforming our criminal justice system and advocating for funding for historically black colleges and universities.
I look forward to fighting for her the way shes fighting for all of us. That starts right here, when you stand with her.
African Americans for Hillary is a group of supporters making that commitment right now -- because we know how important Hillarys campaign is to our values and our communities. Will you join me?
Join African Americans for Hillary
Thank you,
John Lewis
Sid
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)targeted and likely will lose their right to vote?
Do you know that, people?
What John is saying is he is a big picture fellow, in effect.
I think Bernie would do the same, but John likes Hillary and John knows more than I do, that is for sure.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)eom
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)I was in Selma and heard his "How long" speech in person in Montgomery. John Lewis has his experience to draw on, and he has endorsed Hillary Clinton. Why anyone would second guess his decision is beyond me. He knows his own mind better than anyone else possibly can, and has made his decision.
I also support Hillary Clinton in this primary season. That I stood in a crowd and listened to Dr. King speak has nothing to do with it. It's a matter of winning the election for me. Hillary Clinton can, and will win against whatever Clown Car occupant the GOP nominates. I'm very, very confident of that. That is my reason for supporting her.
When Democrats are in the White House, this society moves forward. When Republicans hold that office we step backwards. John Lewis knows his own mind just fine, I'm sure. He has endorsed Hillary. I hope that helps her win this election. That's all that matters for the next four years.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)MineralMan
(146,338 posts)I think it referred to John Lewis, not the author. That was my interpretation.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Am I correct in stating that a literal interpretation suggests the seminal poster marched with Dr. King?
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)People often make mistakes like that, though. It's one of the most common errors in English. Just going on likelihood, I interpreted to mean John Lewis as the person who marched with MLK. Very few people marched side-by-side with him, really. I didn't even join the main march over the Edmund Pettus Bridge. I didn't feel qualified to be in that group. I got to the location of the speech just in time to hear Dr. King from near the back of the crowd. As a 19-year-old white kid from California, I didn't feel comfortable except in the background that day. I was way out of the mainstream of people who were there.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Here it comes again.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Perhaps someone should call his office, again...
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)luvspeas
(1,883 posts)Good golly. I'm starting to feel like a broken record.
Walking with MLK has nothing to do with an endorsement of Hillary or anyone else. Your statement is a veiled attempt to say that a Black person should only have the ability to make decisions that involve Black people in one way or the other-in the way YOU think they should. You are trying to control the behaviour of someone by scolding them and you should reserve that for your children when they eat too much trick or treat candy-not adult human beings.
JEEZ!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Gothmog
(145,666 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)WIProgressive88
(314 posts)right to endorse whomever he chooses. Let's not attack the judgment, character, or motives of this hero because he endorsed Hillary.
mythology
(9,527 posts)It's really difficult to understand what makes you think you deserve to question his motives because he didn't endorse your preferred candidate.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Gothmog
(145,666 posts)Hillary Clinton has done a great deal for civil rights. The polling shows that Hillary Clinton has a overwhelming support of African American and Latino voters. Here speech in May in Houston on Voting Rights was amazing and the proposals made by Hillary Clinton to protect voting rights are well reasoned.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)might explain why, for the segment of politically engaged African-Americans who are consistently exposed to it.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)he got the knots and bruises upside his head for the freedom to do that...and not one of us is in a position to question him.
Doesn't mean that we have to share his opinion on the matter but what...you're going to school John Lewis on civil rights or something...good luck with that...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Last edited Fri Oct 30, 2015, 12:17 PM - Edit history (1)
it's really difficult to understand why John Lewis is endorsing Hillary.
On edit: Has anyone given any thought to the fact that if MLK were alive today he probably would not Endorse Hillary?
It's not enough for the original poster to question how black folks think, he now wants to resurrect the dead ones to tell them what to think too...
SMH
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)SMH
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Nobody wants to be talked down to.
luvspeas
(1,883 posts)The thread needs diversity training. Jk
luvspeas
(1,883 posts)LexVegas
(6,114 posts)pintobean
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rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)It should have been hidden
randys1
(16,286 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Truly shows your character.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)A pretty safe bet he would not endorse someone who represents the oligarchy.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Meanwhile Hillary has private prison executives fund raising for her.
MLK wouldn't let hate and anger cloud his judgement and poison his integrity. Doubtful MLK would share your personal prejudices toward Sanders.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)He fought against it ALONE for decades.
Meanwhile Hillary has the mass incarceration people doing her fund raising.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Most of the time alone. Contrast with your candidate who has the private prison industry in charge of her fundraising.
Also, MLK was a Democratic socialist.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Let us not lie about his record. I am more Malcolm than Martin so bringing up stuff about MLK is laughable when coming from a white person trying to school a black person on MLK. I CAN read.
randys1
(16,286 posts)people about MLK
I mean it is fucking hysterical when you really think about it
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)"All over the industrialized world now, countries are saying, let us put an end to state murder, let us stop capital punishment," Sanders said in a 1991 speech on the House floor. "But here what were talking about is more and more capital punishment."
The bill, which included provisions to authorize the death penalty as appropriate punishment for crimes involving the murder of a law enforcement officer, terrorism and drug trafficking, never reached the desk of President George H.W. Bush.
In 1994, however, Sanders voted in favor of the final version of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, a bill that expanded the federal death penalty. Sanders had voted for an amendment to the bill that would have replaced all federal death sentences with life in prison. Even though the amendment failed, Sanders still voted for the larger crime bill.
A spokesman for Sanders said he voted for the bill "because it included the Violence Against Women Act and the ban on certain assault weapons."
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/02/viral-image/where-do-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-stand-/
Some folks don't want to know the truth.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Martin Luther King, pointedly, stated he did not endorse ANY political candidate.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)MLK was a Democratic Socialist. He stated he would have endorsed Kennedy for a second term had he lived. He most likely would have endorses Bobby Kennedy too, had he lived.
In 1964, King urged his supporters "and all people of goodwill" to vote against Republican Senator Barry Goldwater for president, saying that his election "would be a tragedy, and certainly suicidal almost, for the nation and the world."
At the time he said it, Hillary was working for the Goldwater campaign.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)From your link: "King adds that he likely would have made an exception to his non-endorsement policy for a second Kennedy term." As in: He might have changed his position from:
http://www.thekingcenter.org/archive/document/mlks-statement-endorsing-1960-presidential-candidate
What does what a teenager was doing 50years ago have to do with anything?
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)Wonder if MLK would have taken that into consideration before he endorsed Bernie. Not that I'm arrogant enough to draw any conclusions about the man.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)And do you think it's presumptuous for you to speak for him when your life experience and his life experience couldn't be more different?
Thank you in advance...
Oh, if you are going to try to turn this around on me and suggest I am presuming to speak for Dr. King, please don't, as I am not nowhere close to being as presumptuous enough to speak for him.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)We cannot know what the great Reverend Doctor would do.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)We can look at two of his lieutenants that are still alive, Andy Young and John Lewis, and they are both endorsing Hillary...But I don't believe even they would be presumptuous enough to speak for Dr. King.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I try not to speak for civil rughts legends.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)I also think it like speaking for God... Ask someone what God is like and he or she will tell you he's like an idealized version of himself or herself...He's kind, caring and wise...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)It was a predominately black crowd and BLM started to shout but the other people in the crowd shouted over them...But here's the kicker!!! Hillary said they make a lot of good points and addressed them...
She knows how to play the game.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Familiarity!!!
She was much, much...much better today than at the Jefferson-Jackson Dinner.
Oh, they are discussing how she reacted to the shouting on MSNBC right now.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I know people make fun of her accent but it never bothers me. Black folks also have different way of speaking based on the crowd or location. Or comfortability level. I felt more like she was a part of the crowd rather than a humorless candidate doing a stump speech. She has great situational awareness.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Here's an interesting read. I gave it to 1SBM to read.... Ignore the title...Her three closed friends and confidantes are two black women and a brown woman:
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/10/hillary-clinton-inside-circle-huma-abedin
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)We'll await the answer.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I'm sure he finds all the sudden concern about his choices in life to be just fascinating!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)The smart and acid tongued, take no crap, legislator, or the guy we all know we would hate to meet in a dark alley, unless he was on our side?
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)The might have to call several times to get an answer, but I'm sure Lewis will appreciate the persistence. And then we will know for sure!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)we know which Lewis will come out! And it won't be pretty.
jalan48
(13,901 posts)The DNC has sent the message that if you want to be a player in the Party you need to throw your weight behind the Third Way faction. Lewis and other black politicians are only doing what they see as politically expedient to maintain or increase their power. They see the future of black political power in the Third Way-not in the Progressive movement.
luvspeas
(1,883 posts)Are you actually asserting that ALL "black politicians" only make decisions based on increasing or maintaining their personal power?
DU needs some diversity training ASAP.
jalan48
(13,901 posts)luvspeas
(1,883 posts)No one has given thought to that because it's irrelevant. I don't think about that anymore than I would think about if Karl Marx would vote for you know whooooo.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)they can't really acknowledge the Sanders campaign as even a campaign, let alone a full-bore attack on party and national politics as usual
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Last edited Fri Oct 30, 2015, 03:44 PM - Edit history (1)
Liebermann and McConnell marched side by side with Martin Luther King and they haven't endorsed HRC.
This is very likely true ... But he wouldn't have endorsed Bernie, either! Martin Luther King made a point of NOT endorsing ANY political candidates.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)I was reading this book where he was advising LBJ to pass the Voting Rights Act because the states he lost in 1964 had the highest percentage of blacks who couldn't vote. He was a doer and a dreamer.
BTW, bro, I could be wrong but it was Mitch McConnell who attended the March On Washington as did Charlton Heston.
JI7
(89,279 posts)Mcconnell marched with king but i haven't heard boehner doing it.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Gothmog
(145,666 posts)JI7
(89,279 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Same reason Clinton gets endorsements from organized labor. When it comes down to the nitty-gritty, Clinton will not do much for unions, but she's with them in spirit.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)..and created a new group AA's for Hillary. He is all in and for very very good reason.
No need to disparage anyone because you don't like their choices. Did it ever occur to you that you may be the one who has made the poor choice?
I know full well after 23 years whose side she is on and it clearly isn't on me and others of the 99%
after you and fellow clinton supporters attacking all bernie supporters as racist or sexist we aren't going to listen to those like
you questioning our judgement.
Clinton will care about blacks as president as much as she has throughout her entire carrer which is 0.and about as much as dems
In missouri did after michael brown shooting supporting racist police and racist prosecutor.
nolabear
(41,995 posts)I'm exhausted with it.
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)or are you referring to John Lewis doing so. Your sentence is ungrammatical if it's John Lewis to whom you are referring. There has been some confusion about your meaning in the thread.
Further, your edit is presumptuous. I doubt that you are in any way qualified to predict what Dr. King would do if he had not been assassinated by a racist.
luvspeas
(1,883 posts)It's pretty freaking obvious the OP did not walk side by side with MLK because if he had he wouldn't be wasting his time on DU continuously insulting people.
H2O Man
(73,637 posts)Hence, they can be used correctly, or they can be used incorrectly. Let's look at an example.
You state as "fact" that King would not have endorsed a specific candidate. Yet, in no sense whatsoever is that a "fact." Indeed, it is not even your "opinion," for an opinion is built upon a foundation of knowledge. Hence, in court, only those recognized as "experts" can offer an opinion.
Why is this? Quite simply because other people, especially those who are woefully ignorant about a given subject, do not have opinions, they instead have a "bias." And, by no coincidence, the "fact" you state only serves to document your bias.
Even those most familiar with King could -- at very best -- speculate upon who he might or might not endorse today. And no one familiar with him, including with his voter registration and his political leanings, would ever dare do more than speculate.
I say this as a person who has not endorsed any presidential candidate for 2016; who has more of a solid education about King than you could possibly have; and who's close friend -- who knew King well -- met with Ms. Clinton a few years ago, and came away with a very high opinion of her.