The attacks against Hillary here show the same level of derangement as the TeaPartiers.

[RBInMaine]

Sad but true.

[cantbeserious]

1. How Can Facts Be Confused With Fallacies - Seems The HRC Supporters Are The Ones Deranged

eom

[redstateblues]

12. It's hard to accept that Bernie is losing

and that his surge has hit the ceiling after his promising start.

[cantbeserious]

18. Typical Misdirection By HRC Supporters

eom

[redstateblues]

77. Sometimes the truth hurts

I've passionately backed candidates before that didn't win so I get it. Bernie is a good guy. He's just not presidential and the polls reflect that.

[Phlem]

108. Depends on who's truth is talking, right?

[JonLeibowitz]

158. And if the polls reflected otherwise he would be?

Some people make a determination of who is presidential based on substance, not a poll. Evidently others choose not to.

[randome]

172. I think the most important determination is in the numbers.

You can't argue with math and Clinton looks like she has this sewn up. That's simple reality.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.[/center][/font][hr]

[cascadiance]

185. Sometimes you THINK you know the truth when you don't... Like Hillary beating Obama last time?

When she was further ahead in the polls then against him than she is against Bernie now?

Just saying so doesn't make it so!!!!

[Fumesucker]

2. "Hillary is too stupid to be President" -Mineral Man v2.0.08

[MrMickeysMom]

59. Just an example...

The rest here is pretty hateful, Fume...

I feel like checking out for a while. Nothing can be gained with this dialogue. I'm disgusted by what is said against Sanders... I do see things said against both, but frankly, I don't think it's a nice conversation you can have anymore with some (and I do not say all) the HRC over-reachers.

As flip flop at MM's long forgotten verbiage is, I these other people are just too fucking much.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

99. One has to wonder if that is used during the GOTV efforts...

DU is so often lectured about.

[Art_from_Ark]

148. "Hillary will say ANYTHING and do ANYTHING to win. STINKING ROTTEN !!"

RBInMaine v2.0.08

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5168167 (post #230)

[MineralMan]

173. That was written shortly after her ugly comment about

RFK. I do have to wonder, though, why you're calling me out in a thread where I'm not participating. What's that about?

I was an Obama supporter at that time, and Hillary's reference to JFK was, indeed, stupid. Very stupid. She's not making mistakes like that any longer, and I support her candidacy in 2016.

For anyone who has forgotten what she said, see this link:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24796393/ns/politics-decision_08/t/clinton-regrets-rfk-assassination-remark/

[Thinkingabout]

3. A lot of RW talking points.

[JaneyVee]

4. If they channeled that energy into propping up their own candidate instead...

Bernie's campaign wouldn't be polling in the low 20s.

[Baitball Blogger]

19. This is a dishonest representation of what's going on.

In recent days there has been a definite push from pro-Clinton supporters on DU to frame the issues and what we're seeing is a very subjective perception of the facts. Sometimes it goes to such an extreme that it is beyond belief.

Just look at the facts and you would have to recognize it. Part of the process of supporting a candidate involves standing up to any smear tactics, and showing how the candidates are being treated differently is fair game.

[scscholar]

27. Framing is what is happening.

Framing is happening.

[wendylaroux]

5. really?

do you know why the emails between Hillary and the whitehouse are confidential?

[Fred Sanders]

7. Do folks know of "executive privilege" and why it exists? Your comment makes the OP's point.

[wendylaroux]

9. well okay

but is that not what Nixon used for his tapes? now don't get all spazzy,I am only asking

[lovemydog]

23. Yes, executive privilege

was one of the claims Nixon's lawyers made regarding the tape recordings.

From other sources, prosecutors and judiciary committees gained strong evidence that crimes had taken place. They used that testimony to compel the release of the tapes. It ultimately came down to the Supreme Court, which ordered the tapes' release. But only to parts relevant to Watergate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Nixon

Interestingly, Hillary Rodham Clinton was a young high level staffer on the House Judiciary Committee surrounding the Watergate scandal.

Hope this helps a bit. I find it all fascinating.

[wendylaroux]

24. Well thank you very much :)

It is very interesting.

[lovemydog]

28. You're welcome.

It's a fascinating area of Constitutional law.

Happy Halloween!

[wendylaroux]

37. and

Happy Halloween to you.

[redstateblues]

11. Ain't that the truth

they are getting more nasty by the day-especially as the polls show Bernie's surge has flattened out

[betsuni]

51. +1

[gwheezie]

8. Most Bernie supporters irl aren't like these few

Not the ones I know. The dems who support him also think highly of Hillary. And the group that supports Bernie who hate Hillary go with trump as their 2nd choice. Well I only know 2 of those. The rest are dems who don't hate Hillary.
I support HRC, then OMalley then Bernie but I think all if them are decent people. Why would I become unhinged over Bernie? If he wins the nomination, I'm going to vote for him. I try to ignore the hate coming from supporters unless they post something so funny it makes me lol.

[Scootaloo]

10. When have we called Clinton a rapist?

A protector of pedophiles?
A segregationist?
Accused her of being bought and sold by a foreign nation?

[sheshe2]

29. It would be nice if for once you posted a link.

You opine, never post a link. Why is that?

[jonno99]

44. I think he was making a comparison to what the TPs are claiming.

[sheshe2]

55. Scoot can't speak for themselves and post a link?

You opine for them?

[jonno99]

66. Nope - just trying to be helpful...nt

[George II]

54. Because, as they say, "there's no there there"!

[beam me up scottie]

74. Just for you, George:

According to Hillary supporters on DU Bernie is Israel's #1 shill, a racist, gun nut, scheming little sneak, pandering phony braggart with some kind of emotional instability, tool for the NRA, Republican man with his head between women's legs, who protects the minutemen militia, pedophiles, racist cops, has rape fantasies and thinks that orgasms prevent cancer.


And then there was the poll where HC supporters agreed that Bernie is a racist:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251552162

[Andy823]

78. so 4 people

And I only recognized on name, means that all Clinton supporters called Bernie a racist?

No myself I think the person who posted the op in order to stir things up and cause more divisions here on DU is the problem. Why make a an obvious flame bait thread unless you want to cause problems?

[beam me up scottie]

79. Who said "all Clinton supporters called Bernie a racist"?

And I think all of us should start ignoring the flamebait, myself included.

It just leads to more division, hidden posts and burned bridges.

[George II]

84. Following me around now beam me up scottie?

[beam me up scottie]

88. Responding to you in a thread where I already posted is "following" you around, George?

[virtualobserver]

104. George II admitted that he was an alert stalker on that other site.....GII is "projecting"

[beam me up scottie]

106. Trying to prod me into a hidden post no doubt.

That reminds me, I have to kick cali's thread...

[Art_from_Ark]

150. LOL

I saw what you did there

[beam me up scottie]

151. Now there's a DUer who deserves respect.

You don't see cali going to another website and whining about how persecuted she is on DU or stalking and launching attacks on other members.

She's one tough cookie.

[Live and Learn]

116. I think that was an admission that you got him good and he has no comeback. nt

[beam me up scottie]

119. I posted the links downthread, I thought maybe they were invisible or something.

Bernie Derangement Syndrome isn't a myth.

[Live and Learn]

123. Nope and it appears to be quite catchy. Might even be deadly since it makes people vote

against themselves and their future.

[beam me up scottie]

126. DU loved Bernie until he challenged Hillary.

Since he announced he's become a vile monster who hates women, children, minorities and apple pie.

[Live and Learn]

136. Yep, pretty sad. nt

[Kalidurga]

145. ...he also kicks puppies and chases kittens up trees.

[beam me up scottie]

147. He fondles farm animals too!

And he can't keep his hands off the teats!

[Live and Learn]

114. +1 nt

[sibelian]

13. Yes, it's certainly possible to make comparisons.

Who knows, perhaps some passing undecided voter will read your OP and copy the general sense of the squeaky freakishness exhibited by the Tea Party and paste it wholesale onto their internal map of People Who Aren't Convinced by Hillary.

I have to say I think it's rather unlikely. The two groups aren't very similar.

[TheProgressive]

14. I think you mispelled Sanders as 'Hillary'

And, add in Rovian political attacks, too...

[DianeK]

15. desperate much?

[Cha]

16. Ha! They're in denial.. accuse you of "desperation". Sad.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

96. Refresh our memories... who was it who called Hillary "morally depraved"...

and a "proven liar"? Oh, one more: "a lying, pandering fighter" for herself.

Three guesses, and none of them are Sanders supporters.

[Cha]

101. Haha! go for it!

[WorseBeforeBetter]

122. You already have...

and we thank you for it!

[Cha]

133. that's right .. keep going.

[neverforget]

157. You seemed to think in 2008 that Clinton was racist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5168167&mesg_id=5168234
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:10 AM
Response to Reply #2
8. Ah therein lies the conundrum...
hypothetically if she gets the nom with her racist smears how is going to win the ge without the Black vote or those of us who abhor her racist, extortionist candidacy?

[okasha]

120. Don't forget "warmonger."

[R B Garr]

17. YUP

That kind of talk won't fly with the general public and it's one of the main reasons I knew I could not be associated with Sanders. No thanks.

[99th_Monkey]

20. When you have NOTHING to attack a candidate with ...

calling his supporters "deranged as TeaBaggers" just has too do.

THIS ^ is what is really sad

[bravenak]

21. I am watching the trashers of BLM act like they love BLM.

[Warren Stupidity]

31. Can you imagine Clinton literally shouting

at BLM protestors and lecturing them that they need to listen to her?

[bravenak]

39. Yeah. I can imagine doing it myself if you wanna get technical.

People always yell at protestors, I have no idea why I should not expect them to get yelled at.
Confession time. I yell anytime I feel like it. I stand on chairs. I will berate large groups of people with no hesitation. You cannot possibly imagine the things I can imagine. Haven't had a fustfight though in about a year and a half, I think I have calmed down very well. Almost saintlike, Imo.

This is how I imagine that meeting yesterday:
Black folks can TRY to yell at other black folks about white supremacy but it has a tendency to get them removed because we are already knowing about that and discussing it as we speak so kindy join the meeting without yelling cause it's be nice if we joined together and we got Usher here and John Lewis so we wanna kinda have this meeting on racial profiling. Thx.

[rbrnmw]

63. Well said

[rbrnmw]

61. It's bizarre

It takes some seriously twisted logic to say what is being said. There are those of us who see it and have to make sure we logged into the right place.

[bravenak]

64. I had to go through my bookmarks to try to understand the metamorphosis.

[Cha]

160. I would expect no more.

[demosincebirth]

22. you go far enough to the left you will meet the crazies from the right

[Fred Sanders]

69. The "horseshoe theory" of politics in America has some merit.

[demosincebirth]

94. I never heard that, but in this cycle it seems to fit.

[Ron Green]

25. I can understand he desperation of some people who see Bernie's candidacy as the last hope

for us to turn away from Empire and toward a more connected and sustainable world. I agree with this assessment, although not with the most extreme attacks on Clinton. But for you to equate their legitimate fear with the derangement of the teabaggers is wrong, for the reason that our country and the world sorely need a new connectedness rather than a right-wing dystopia.

[NanceGreggs]

130. And who is stoking that "fear"?

Who is encouraging people to believe that Bernie is their last hope? Who is preaching that the middle-class will be financially ruined, that corporations will take over the country, that we will all find ourselves living in a state of perpetual war if "the other candidate" gets elected?

Who is promoting the idea that the nefarious powers-that-be in the gov't, the media, the Democratic Party, the polling companies, et al, are all conspiring against one candidate, and are acting at the behest of "the other candidate"?

Who keeps telling people that their "last hope" candidate is constantly being persecuted, and that any political figure who endorses that "other candidate" has been bought-and-paid-for, has "caved", and is actually "against the People" - despite their well-known history of championing the rights of "the People" throughout their careers?

It seems obvious that "the legitimate fear" of which you speak is more a matter of fear being deliberately instilled rather than a fear being based on the facts.

It is a sad reality that some people are easily led - and nothing draws them together more than the power of manufactured fear.

[Ron Green]

135. Let me guide you toward some reading; or, in the happy event you've read them, let's talk:

Gar Alperovitz, Gus Speth, David Korten, Richard Wolff.

What do you think about what these guys (oh, for some balance, let's add Naomi Klein) are saying?

Before I can accept this "manufactured fear" concept, I need to remind you that all serious writers about the future (see above) are agreed that a real system change is in order and long overdue. These are not wild-eyed lefties, but people who understand that a connected, sustainable and sustaining world is the only survivable kind. They universally call for the dismantling of the financial system that has brought us to this brink, and the election of one who at least acknowledges this corrupt system is but a starting place for the work we've got to do.

"Manufactured fear?"

[NanceGreggs]

139. Nice dodge ...

... but no cigar.

There is only one candidate whose supporters are promoting the idea of him being "their last hope" - lest war, famine, pestilence and death befall them if the "other candidate" wins.

That is "manufactured fear". And very obviously so.

And suggesting reading material by "serious writers" does not change that fact.

[Ron Green]

146. Those plagues are surely on the way, and Bernie's candidacy won't stop them, as he

acknowledges. What must happen is what he says: a better, more involved and democratic politics. He is NOT sufficient to turn it around, but absolutely necessary in my opinion.

Clinton is truly more of the same, and will NOT call for or even allow a new politics. Many people know this, and in their legitimate, not manufactured, fear, sometimes crank up the hyperbole. They know their candidate's chances are slim as those of our planet, so perhaps you can cut 'em a little slack. They're not going to hurt Hillary.

[NanceGreggs]

152. I'm not worried about anyone "hurting Hillary" at all.

That doesn't change the fact that fear-mongering seems to be the focus of one candidate's supporters - and that candidate isn't Hillary.

It's a topic you seem to want to avoid - and I can understand why.

[Ron Green]

155. You don't seem to be reading what I'm writing, so I'll just say

Good night.

[NanceGreggs]

188. You don't seem to want ...

... to address what I've said.

Which candidate's supporters are using fear to motivate people to vote for him?

What's funny is all of the posters here who, when reminded how important having a Dem in the White House because of upcoming SCOTUS nominees, immediately cry that they won't give in to that "fear tactic" and vote for HRC if she's the nominee.

But then those same people post that Bernie is "the last chance" to save us all from inevitable doom - and don't even see the irony in doing so.

[Ron Green]

191. The peril IS real, and many supporters ARE overreacting. And it's understandable.

Without the benefit of big money, big endorsements, big media, they feel bereft. I get that. They see Hillary as a supreme danger, and I have to agree: she's the very wrong direction at this time for us and for the world, but she will most likely prevail.

[NanceGreggs]

192. According to the polls ...

... MOST Democrats support HRC. Now, if you want to characterize all of those voters as "seeing Hillary as a supreme danger" who are nonetheless supporting her candidacy, you can peddle that. But it flies in the face of logic and common sense.

The number one mistake, IMHO, BS supporters have made from day one is their focus on what's wrong with Hillary, as opposed to what's right with Bernie.

Given BS's stagnating poll numbers, his fans have now moved on to using the fear factor - the world will come to an end if Bernie is NOT elected. Democracy as we know it will vanish, we will live in a constant state of war, your children will be sent to die in the Middle East - yadda, yadda.

What BS's supporters are doing is trying to make HRC appear to be evil incarnate, instead of trying to promote the positives (such as they are) of a Senders presidency.

And if you've seen the poll numbers, it's pretty apparent that this tack isn't working.

[Ron Green]

193. Most voters, Dems included, are low info. This is just how it is.

The dangers of our course of Empire and the attending planetary crises have been on some people's radar long before Bernie announced. They see his candidacy as a faint hope, even fainter now as you point out.

I don't argue with you about the politics. You just don't acknowledge the bigger problem.

[NanceGreggs]

195. Oh, I fully acknowledge ...

... that we as a nation are facing enormous problems. That's why I want someone with vast experience in both domestic and foreign affairs steering the ship of state.

[Ron Green]

196. That's right. And we need a working schooner,

not a Disney cruise ship.

[NanceGreggs]

197. We need an experienced captain ...

... who has consistently navigated treacherous waters and lived to tell the tale.

You can characterize HRC as a "Disney cruise ship" from now until next November. The FACT is that the vast majority of Democrats see things differently - and you can ignore that FACT all you want.

[Ron Green]

198. I disagree with some of your basic assumptions, but I hope

we can agree to do so.

I do recommend the writers I mentioned up thread; it's really all about a paradigm shift, as they say, but this time really and truly.

[rhett o rick]

187. Princeton Study Declares U.S. government an Oligarchy

http://truthinmedia.com/princeton-study-declares-u-s-government-an-oligarchy/

Not that that matters to some who are more than willing to give up their freedoms for a promise of something shiny.

[Cha]

161. I just don't understand the "desperation" of the BS supporters.. if they have such a great

candidate why do they try to shut down discussion?

I've seen it too many times.

[Ron Green]

166. It's because they see this great candidate shut out by

a system that is not going to change (because the system is in control.) Do you still not understand?

[Kentonio]

176. Oh the irony..

[Cha]

177. I don't alert on people and try to get them a hide and when they have 5 hides they're on a

forced vacation.. for however long.

It's happened to a lot of my friends.

You just got kicked out of a private group.

[Kentonio]

179. I was referring more to the attempts of Clinton supporters here to shut down discussion

On the basis that no-one else but Clinton can win the nomination.

Sorry if you've had people alert stalking you and your friends, I think people forget sometimes we're all on the same side.

[beam me up scottie]

26. Oh please. They're nothing compared to the deranged posts about Bernie:

Last edited Sun Nov 1, 2015, 03:35 AM - Edit history (1)

According to Hillary supporters on DU Bernie is Israel's #1 shill, a racist, gun nut, scheming little sneak, scumbag, pandering phony braggart with some kind of emotional instability, tool for the NRA, Republican man with his head between women's legs, who protects the minutemen militia, pedophiles, racist cops, has rape fantasies and thinks that orgasms prevent cancer.


And then there was the poll where HC supporters agreed that Bernie is a racist:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251552162

[Warren Stupidity]

32. Do you have links for those deranged claims?

Without links you got nothing. So put up or shut up bmus.


Oh wait.

Never mind.

[beam me up scottie]

43. They'll probably alert on my post anyway, I've gotten used to it.

[CharlotteVale]

35. Holy crap. That is insane. No wonder they're so defensive.

[beam me up scottie]

45. Those glass houses were reduced to sand a long time ago.

They really should put down the rocks.

[Marr]

41. +1, they seem to love playing the victim. /nt

[beam me up scottie]

46. It is Halloween, maybe it's more fun than posting positive threads about their candidate.

[onehandle]

30. There are a large number of non-Democrats here.

Many admit it. They have an anti-Democratic Party agenda.

[Ron Green]

33. In what way do they have this agenda? Is it possible they seek to move the party closer

to Democratic ideals? How can you tell a given anti-Hillary post is from a non-Democrat?

[pnwmom]

60. Are you speaking as a Green, or as a Ron? n/t

[Ron Green]

107. What do you mean?

[pnwmom]

109. There have been many Green party members here in the past and your screen name

could suggest you are more of a Green and less of a Democrat.

[Ron Green]

115. This is my name. I ran for office in 2012 on the ballot with Barack Obama,

as a Democrat. That establishes my credentials, but I'm one who supports Bernie Sanders because he's the best thing the Democratic Party could hope for to regain what tattered credibility they have since the decline beginning with Hillary's husband.

[Warren Stupidity]

40. A secret agenda?

Hmmmmmmmmm

[AgingAmerican]

42. So doing what is right for the country

is an 'anti-Democratic Party agenda'?

Well, I guess so if you are the third way.

[frylock]

118. We have an anti-shit policy agenda..

You have a yay team agenda.

[madfloridian]

34. "same level of derangement as the TeaPartiers"

How low things have sunk. It's sad.

[HassleCat]

36. Attacks or criticism?

When somebody posts, "Hillary is only running to benefit herself," that's an attack. When somebody posts, "Clinton has not been consistent on some issues," that's a criticism. We could do without the attacks. I know many people would like to see the criticism stop, as well. In fact, there have been suggestions that we refrain from any criticism, since Sanders stands no chance, and Clinton will be the nominee. Of course, Clinton isn't helping herself when she fires little flaming arrows toward Sanders, like the "sexism" suggestion. She would be better off pretending Sanders is already toast. Sanders' supporters here on DU would be better off not drawing so many "obvious conclusions" regarding Clinton's honesty and character.

[FarPoint]

38. I believe that is an accurate assessment.

I do equate the similarities.

[DJ13]

47. Not so fun when the foot's on the other shoe

or something like that.

[tammywammy]

48. There's plenty of deranged bullshit posted about Bernie too.

Both Bernie & Hillary have, at best can be described as over enthusiastic supporters.

[quakerboy]

49. You misspelled Bernie.

[NYC Liberal]

50. And they only get worse as Sanders’ chance slowly slips away.

[bowens43]

57. good to see you working so hard to lose the presidency .......hillary will never be president.

[shenmue]

65. Except of the United States.

[NYC Liberal]

143. I'll take that bet.

And either way, she will get a damn sight closer than Sanders could ever hope to.

[Armstead]

75. Yeah we're just fucking crazy,crazy,crazy....................

I guess we're not good enough to vkte for Clinton, so many will proably sit this out....I know Du just a small speck in the universe.

But this attitude is pissing off a whole of other specks and you will need every goddamn vote you can get on November!

[NYC Liberal]

144. "you will need every goddamn vote you can get on November!"

I'm not running for office, so I don't need any votes.

If your vote for president is based on other peoples' "attitude" and not what's good for the country -- well then I don't even know what to say, except good luck.

[Armstead]

164. The collectve "you"

It's not based on that solely, and if it comes to that, personally, I'll once again yield to the extortion and grudgingly support the Dem candidate on voting day to keep the GOP out of there.

But if the collective "you" once again chooses to marginalize those who want something better than the same old corporatism crap, and be condescending and dismissive, you're going to lose a hell of a lot of support and enthusiasm, and ,help usher in the GOP once again anyway.

[Aerows]

52. Sure we do.

You still aren't going to beat me up for my lunch money.



Anything but the adults talking about financial reform, pushing a platform that Americans can get affordable healthcare, and making our veterans that come back wounded can be supported, too.

Anything but the adults talking about NAFTA, the TPP and how the prior stripped us of jobs, how the latter will strip everybody of price controls and left at the mercy of pharmaceutical companies.

Bernie opposes the TPP. He wants to jail bankers that committed crimes against the American people. He wants our government to take some accountability and help the people they sent off to war.

He wants the opportunity for people to get an education and make it affordable so students don't graduate drowning in debt.

How ANYBODY can be against those goals astounds me. Hillary for damn sure isn't for them. Why are you supporting her very own statement that attending college should cost you an arm and a leg and cripple you for decades once you graduate?

[Joe Turner]

53. It's called an election

People get behind their candidate and do as much as they can to help their candidate get elected. Both sides will say negative things about the challenger. Get used to it....it's politics.

[bowens43]

56. bullshit...typical whiny nonsense from hillarys supporters......

[redstateblues]

73. Ever heard of projection? The losing candidate's

supporters constantly cast themselves as victims. Somebody call the whaambulance

[frylock]

121. Losing what? Phone polls?

[Walk away]

170. I think they mean the Nomination. Apparently, the more people get to know....

Hillary, the better they like her!

[frylock]

174. Right, and that's why the DNC is showcasing her in all these debates.

Because the more people see of Hillary, the more they like her. That was proven in 2008.

[Walk away]

182. She came very close to winning a race with one of the finest natural candidates in a century!

And in the interim she has added Secretary Of State to her resume and now she is running against a yelling Socialist who isn't even a party member.

I think Hillary and her supporters would enthusiastically endorse more debates. She is an excellent debater and she has a broad base of knowledge. If the DNC doesn't want more debates it's not helping Hillary. She won the first one hands down according to everyone but Bernie's small but prolific group of internet campaigners.

I am more interested in getting this over with so that Hillary can start running again the nominated republican.

Debates! Yes let's have some more! Hillary's polls go up whenever she is under attack!

[frylock]

184. Hillary and her supporters have been saying 6 debates is enough for several months now.

[Walk away]

194. Not me! I would love to see Hillary win more debates.

The good news for Hillary is that the pukes know that she is the candidate that they will have to run against in the general. They all challenge her in their debates. This gives her a chance to reply in the press with rebuttals . Maybe you can try to get any republican candidate to take Bernie seriously and attack him. Then he might get some attention too. I don't think it's going to happen but it's worth a try! It's more likely that they will try to make a spoiler out of him and say nice things. That's not really newsworthy.

As far as the DNC is concerned, it's their money to spend as they please. I don't think much of it comes from the far left Dems. They seem to have historically hated the DNC. Bernie did not have to run as a Democrat. He chose to.

[zentrum]

58. Critical thinking challenged much?

[bullwinkle428]

62. You would know that Hillary is left of Che Guevara, if you've spent

one iota of time at any site where right-wingers post with any regularity.

[Phlem]

67. Really?

[AgingAmerican]

68. The whining has devolved into derangement

Sad, but true!

[Armstead]

71. Next we'll all be strangling kittens

[Armstead]

70. Booga Booga

Sorry we're just fucking CRAZZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY!

[Fred Sanders]

72. "Feel the Bern" as a slogan conjurs up images of being attacked with a hot poker by your angry old

uncle....one of many poor campaign choices made.

[Armstead]

81. Well that's because we support an angry old uncle wih a hot poker

so it's only logical.

I apologize that the Sanders campaign has not had the same resources provided by Wall St. Corporate Insiders to engage the services of high priced marketing/markting/polling firms to come up with a better slogan, omparable to that memorable one for Clinton....er what is her slogan again?

[Fred Sanders]

83. How about "Progress for Progressives" or "Sanders for the Future".....my compliments.

Any other generic slogan would be competitive with FTB....sounds kind of demanding of others, as in "FTB....or else!"

[Armstead]

132. Oh I kind of like the old geezer with the hot poker

has a certain ring to it

[Robbins]

76. Getting desperate i see

Now us sanders supporters are just like the tea party

First we were a bunch of racists.then we were sexists.

[hootinholler]

141. Well the majority of the TP

Is also sexist and racist.



The latest accusation kind of follows.

[Skittles]

80. AGREED

anti-Hillary hysteria is WAY over the top and I say this as someone who has not been a fan since her IWR vote

[redstateblues]

82. HRC supporters beware

the alerters are prowling tonight- Figure if they can't win they can try to shut us down

[Armstead]

85. Well, I'm anti Clinton and am definetly deranged

I kinda hate to see the country repeat the same old patterns that got us into the mess we are on.

God Save the Corporate States of America.

(But I'm still calm and rational in the 3D world.)

In a more serious vein,it is not one-sided "unhinged" behavior. Some of this "hysteria" is a feedback loop between suppoters of both sides. Like the rather insulting and provocative OP here. One gets a little tired of hearing that shit.

And one gets a little frustrated that all criticisms, including serious raising of issues, are labeled as eitehr "whining" or unhinged."

Go ahead and kick my ass if you want.

[Ed Suspicious]

86. What ever.

[Armstead]

91. Correction..... it's Whattttttttevvvvvvvvvverah!

You have to be suitably whiny and deranged

[jalan48]

87. Like Tea Party derangement? I can see the "shouting" hyperbole is moving up a notch.

[NonMetro]

97. You got that right!

[frylock]

124. Third Way Tea Partiers.

[Mnpaul]

183. The far right of both parties

have no use for actual facts. They both make it up as they go.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

89. Any simpleton can say a thing is true: look at the W Bush administration.

They put the freaking words they wanted you to believe on a backdrop behind whichever admin criminal was speaking.

Now if you wish to be taken as a serious individual, and not a propagandist or pot-stirrer, you'll need to get busy fleshing out your comparison between the left and the baggers. Last I checked, you're more closely aligned to them than I am, so it's going to require some explanation. You wanted to post. You pulled up a blank page so that you could. Now say something.

[PoliticalMalcontent]

90. Attacks and providing legitimate criticisms are not the same.

By the same token I imagine a lot of people will be turned off to politics if Hillary is handed the nomination without proper vetting.

My wish is that everyone keeps things civil and factual.

[chillfactor]

92. agreed....

many of the posts demonizing Hillary are truly sick!

[betsuni]

93. It's deranged to think that if she becomes president, HRC is going to leap out of a Trojan Pantsuit

and be worse than the worst Republican. On her first day she'll start a few wars and reintroduce the draft, slash SS and Medicare, raise the retirement age, send more jobs overseas, all the usual bad things and many many more, not because she has to but because she wants to. Just as they've said for all these years that Obama wants to. How many damn times can a person be wrong? You'd think they'd notice it after awhile.

But it's never going away, is it.

[bravenak]

102. Don't forget she will sell our children to Goldman Sacks and donate the money to the Clinton

Foundation.

[betsuni]

125. How did I forget GOLDMAN SACKS??????!!!!!

[bravenak]

127. So much evil in her agenda, easy to let something slip.

[sus453]

95. I can't speak for others,

. . . but I want to vote for a real and progressive Democrat. Hillary has some good qualities, but she has
always been, and continues to be, a corporate Democrat and a war monger. In the primaries I'll vote for someone who did not vote to go support Bush's war in Iraq (I don't for a second believe she was misled - she had all the information the rest of us had), who did not help push us into a no-win situation in Libya, who does not engage in dangerous saber rattling against Iran and the Palestinians. I'll vote for someone who does not get most of their funds from super pacs, and someone who did not spend time on the board of directors for WalMart.

Is that derangement? Is that related to the willful ignorance and neofascism of the Tea Party?

It seems like perhaps the original poster wanted to start a confrontation among us. I don't think we need to fall for this.

[840high]

98. Thank you for sanity.

[SoapBox]

100. No derangement...

She's just getting called out for the lies, personal attacks and of course her flip flops/"evolutions".

If she would pick a position and stand by it, right or wrong, she wouldn't be called out.

[BrainMann1]

103. Hillary will be president. That is why I only read articles about her not Barnie

[Live and Learn]

110. And I bet you don't think your post is disrespectful at all. nt

[Broward]

105. Your post is deranged.

Btw, as a Hillary supporter, your ideology is more closely aligned with the Tea Party than Sanders supporters.

[Live and Learn]

112. + 1000 nt

[Ron Green]

111. Hit and run post. Cowardly buncha crap.

[frylock]

113. Yeah, you guys keep saying that, but can never produce examples..

Lets see some links, pal.

[cui bono]

117. Wait, just days ago HRC supporters were mocking Sander and his supporters for complaining about

attacks, real attacks, smear mongering attacks that had no basis in reality.

Now you are complaining about some nonexistent attacks that you have fabricated? I have seen not one "deranged" attack on Hillary.

More projection from irrational Hillary supporters... *yawn*

[corkhead]

128. Psychological projection is a defense mechanism

people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions.

Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings.

[gvstn]

129. Hillary is center right establishment.

She would start a war with Iran if she thought it would get her votes.

She wouldn't even stand up for gay rights until the polls said at least 50% of Americans already did, even though at least 9 countries had already legalized gay marriage.

Support her all you want but she is the worst type of politician.

If elected I hope she uses her political skills to do some actual good for us, rather than being worried about a second term. I doubt it.

[Jamaal510]

131. It's like the horse shoe theory.

The DUers in question and the TP may be political opposites (except for any undercover TP trolls here), yet they behave the same. They use similar tactics when it comes to their causes and against anyone they perceive to be their political adversaries (including HC and Pres. Obama), they're vocal minorities off-line, they decry the so-called "establishment", and they pay little/no heed to checks-and-balances. HC isn't my #1 choice, but I have nothing against her and would have no problems voting for her in a general election. She did a good job as a Senator and as SOS, and I know her agenda would be much different and much superior to anything that any of the R's have to offer.

[colsohlibgal]

134. Facts Are Facts

Hillary takes so much money from Wall Street to reign in Wall Street. She has taken in too much cash from the War/Security Apparatus to hamper the perpetual war machine.

She is just too entrenched in the ways of the DLC. She is comfortably better than all the republicans except maybe Kasich but not enough to impress true progressives.

Sooner or later the transfer of cash from the 98/99 % to the 1/2% has to stop and reverse, we need a new FDR, not another third way Dem.

I still am amazed that the rabid HRC crowd is so in love of Hillary they cannot comprehend the truth or just don't wish to.

Too each his or her own. As a she I am anxious to see a woman in the WH, but not any woman. Elizabeth Warren would have me in her camp in no time. But Hillary is no Elizabeth a Warren, she is more like a female Chris Dodd.

[Todays_Illusion]

137. Sad but true also that the Hillary whiners and crybabies here sound so Republican. ::exits laughing.

[Gothmog]

138. Many of the attacks on HRC on this board are from right wing sites

[MrWendel]

149. THIS!

[Bobbie Jo]

186. Complete with the RW language

"Race card"
"Sexist card"
"Race baiting"
"Race nagger"

I've never seen so much RW "sharing" here in all of my 10 years.

What's up with that??

[MohRokTah]

140. I think it's worse. eom

[RandySF]

142. K&R

[zappaman]

153. Hard to argue that.

[Cha]

167. but, they do.. bernie supporters=pure. It's the mean ol Hill supporters who...

LOL

[southerncrone]

154. Low blow, dude,.... & totally false.

[saltpoint]

156. No, they don't. eom

[Beacool]

159. That's because DU is the mirror image of Free Republic.

The same level of intransigent views.

[eridani]

163. The attacks are on issue positions n/t

[Truprogressive85]

165. hmm

How dare people question candidates on issues

I have seen HRC supporters called other democrats " loony left" , far left ", "unhinged" something I expected from Rush, Levin or Hannity.

You want Sanders supporters to play nice ,while HRC supporters attack him and his potions; sorry you don't put your hands in the viper's den and not anticipate getting bit.

[Vattel]

168. It makes no sense to be unfair to Clinton.

There are so many good reasons to prefer Sanders. A few examples:

Sanders wants to remove marijuana from the federal scheduling system altogether. Clinton has not even said that she wants it taken off the Schedule I list. She wants more research.
Clinton voted to authorize Bush to wage war in Iraq should he judge that the “threat” posed by Iraq warranted it. Sanders voted no on the Iraq War Resolution.
Clinton wanted an even bigger surge in Afghanistan.
Clinton supported regime change in Libya, with disastrous results. Sanders opposed going to war in Libya.
Sanders has a history of being honest, Clinton has been caught being dishonest on many occasions.
Sanders is opposed to all capital punishment, Clinton is not.
Clinton worked behind the scenes to help consolidate the coup in Honduras.
Clinton said that refugee minors who fled violence in Honduras and other parts of Central America should be sent back as soon as their parents are found. She said this even though a large percentage of those refugees had a right to seek asylum, and that process requires staying in the United States for months or even years.
Clinton voted to build a wall along the US-Mexican border, and once said that she is “against illegal immigrants.”
Clinton supports raising the cap for the H1B visa program for tech workers which would further undermine tech wages in the USA and cause unemployment among American tech workers.
Clinton said that TPP “sets the gold standard” for trade agreements.
Clinton supported DOMA and has recently received the honor of four pinocchios from the Washington Post for her distortions in trying to make excuses for her vote.
Clinton opposed marriage equality until 2013.

[DCBob]

169. Got that right.. almost word for word in many cases.

I often listen to RW loon radio during my commute and its nearly the same crap I hear here on a daily basis. The DU left and RW loons seem to have the same agenda and same lack of intellectual thinking.. I assume due to their profound political bias.

[NCTraveler]

171. "Hillary Clinton Beats Up Old Man"

You mean to tell me you think that headline might be a case of ratfucking, or worse?

Lol

[SoLeftIAmRight]

175. Funny

I was thinking the Hillary supporters are like the teaparty - vote against their best interest.

No more of the same!

She might paint the walls and put in some cheap new carpet - she might even do a little landscaping (with plants that add no real value to the environment) - She will never address the foundation problems.

She is the problem - not a real solution.

Wake up america - the house is coming down.

[whatchamacallit]

178. I know

she been called a racist, sexist, gun nut, commie... Oh wait... never mind.

[TheSarcastinator]

180. ah, an ad hominem attack on critics through the use of a false analogy: nice try

So those who criticize Clinton for supporting the invasion of Iraq are "just like the Tea Party"? Allrighteythen, brave cultural critic. Carry on.

[Doctor_J]

181. one of Sanders supporters posted a whole bunch of rabid links from the Clinton crazies.

Where are yours?

[Cal33]

189. What a coincidence. I happen to think the same thing of some of those who attack Bernie. I think

we are both correct.

[mhatrw]

190. Clinton simply takes too much corporate money to believe she will not govern for the top 1%.

What in the world is deranged about assuming politicians look out for their biggest campaign contributors?

[bvar22]

199. UnRec!

...for posting unsupported attacks on members of DU.
Anyone could say the same about the rabid Hillary supporters.
This OP is meant to stir shit because the poster has nothing else,
and needs some attention today.

[Ron Green]

200. For the 200th post in this thread, I'll again say HIT AND RUN!

Whoever made this pathetic OP never again posted in the thread.

Cowardly, or just lazy?

[Capt. Obvious]

201. "Cowardly, or just lazy?"

Why limit yourself? It could be both.

[DonCoquixote]

202. oh please

some people indeed may be rabid, but you cannot put the equation (people who have concerns about hillary) = (teabaggers) because if that is done, everyone gets demonized. Someone who si worried about her eagerness to go to Syria, where we could actually trigger a WAR WITH RUSSIA is not the same as some teabagger chanting "benghazi!"