2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPoll has Obama within three-points of Romney in Georgia
49% Rmoney 46% Obama
http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/BGAugustA.pdf
still_one
(92,192 posts)Ashleyshubby
(81 posts)Georgia is a very red state. Obama is favorite to win the elections but he won't be this close in Georgia.
Plus the poll was commissioned by an anti-Romney website called bettergeorgia.com
go to bettergeorgia.com and see what's there. I am anti-romney too but i'm not a pollster.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)There hasn't been much polling because it was assumed GA was in the bag. But the earlier polls were in the 8% range. With all the nonsense going on in the Romney campaign and on the anti-woman, anti-Medicare front, it isn't at all inconceivable the numbers have moved closer than 8%.
That is 16 electors at stake and there is absolutely no way for Ryan/Romney to win if they don't win GA. So with a little more tightening, Ryan will have to spend a lot of time and resources defending this state.
They don't like Yankees in Georgia. That would certainly explain soft support for Romney. But would Ryan be considered a Yankee? He is certainly from the far North. Combine that with his plans do blow up Medicare and Social Security while forcing rape victims to carry the baby and you might have the movement indicated in this poll.
Ashleyshubby
(81 posts)or was the poll conducted after the rape comments were made?
I ask because you cite the rape comments as a possible reason why it's close.
AndyTiedye
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Hoyt
(54,770 posts)TroyD
(4,551 posts)Does it have a history as a reputable firm?
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)Obama doesn't need to win Georgia, and hasn't spent any time there.
If there is movement it is probably because all this self-inflicted mayhem in the GOP.
If Georgia can be put on the table, that will be a real time of panic for the Ryan/Romney ticket. They cannot possibly win if they lose Georgia. So close polls in GA will force them to spend lots of time and money defending those 16 electors.
And if there is real movement in GA< that is a good sign for Northern Florida.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)This is great. Obama needs to campaign all over Georgia, and force Romney to spend time and money in a state that Romney assumed he had in the bag.
Obama should start running tons if tv ads, as well, in Georgia -- just to drive the Mittster batty.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)Obama will not win GA. They never planned on that and I doubt they have much of a field effort.
Ryan/Romney has far more money available to spend, so it makes no sense for Obama to waste precious resources there. I bet the campaign will be looking for ways to try to tighten up the numbers on the cheap, with the idea of forcing Ryan to spend resources there they wished they could put in Ohio, Florida and elsewhere.
longship
(40,416 posts)And the rest of the state, too.
Don't elect Mitt. Every vote counts.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Sure some of the metro areas are more liberal, but the state overall will go red. He'll lose this one by at least 8 points (54/46% best case scenario)
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)the votes of Republican women in Georgia and other traditionally red states are fully in play now. That's why Romney and Ryan spent so much energy trying to get Akin to withdraw. His comments are one of those game-changing paradigm shifters.
If Romney and Ryan have to defend Georgia, they've already lost the election, whether they take Georgia by 4 or 8 points.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Call me pessimistic, but I don't honestly think many of the Republican women are going to change their minds. Ideologically they are so stuck on the pro-life stance that it won't sway them.
The independents may swing in droves toward Obama in Georgia though which would make it a bit closer.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)not vote for rape (or vote 3rd party).
Romney\Ryan = Rape should be the subliminal (and possibly even overt) message EVERY DAY FROM TDOAY THROUGH NOVEMBER.
Ashleyshubby
(81 posts)That's important to know.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)the language 'forcible rape' in legislation he co-sponsored, Romney owes the American people an explanation of the differences between 'legitimate rape,' 'forcible rape,' 'illegitimate rape,' and other variants.
Right now, all Georgia's women need to understand is that Romney believes it's rape only if and when the woman protests loudly and suffers physical trauma.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)I dont care how many times you blast Akin's words everywhere, it won't make a dent in the conservative female vote. Those women will never give Obama the time of day. They are like Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, and Laura Ingraham. Try talking to them about this and you will understand what I'm saying. They will not flip. They are all against abortion anyway.
I live in Florida and I can't tell you how many times I see pro-life bumper stickers and license plates with women driving the car.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)to stay home and vote with their feet (by not voting) and their vote comes into play.
The trusim is that not voting (or voting 3rd party) is a vote for your opponent.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)that the South is not necessarily a lock for the Republicans *in the long run*. Democrats write off many southern states because they believe that they are not competitive at all. It's not true. Many of them have growing numbers of blacks and Hispanics, while the white population is older and becoming more of a minority. In Georgia, the trend is the same: growing number of Hispanic Americans and increasingly more educated and racially-integrated areas.
I don't think it's far-fetched that Obama is close. Bill Clinton won GA in 1996 (even though his attack on gay marriage is probably what helped him).