2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI don't know why people around here are freaking out about the polls
it's not like they have been awful.
NBC National poll has Obama up by four-points
AP/GFK has Obama up by one-point
You Gov has it tied (last week Romney was leading by one-point)
Ras and Gallup tracking are pretty much what they have been for months (with some flucuation at times) with Romney up by two-points--Ras is Ras and Gallup under polls minorities.
State polls are not terrible either in most cases:
Wisconsin which is Ryan's home state, sure they got a bump, but today Marquette University's poll still has Obama leading by three points.
A PPP poll of Virginia has Obama up by 5-points and in a three way race with Virgil Goode the president wins by 8.
RAS (of all people) gives Obama a 14-point lead in New Mexico
Survey USA has Obama up by two-points in Nevada
Sure, there were two discredited polls out of Florida and Michigan by the same pollster who tried to tell us that Florida is going to Romney by 14-points!
Obama is up by 29-points in New York, 37-points in Vermont and 16-points in Massachusetts.
Sure there is a new Florida poll giving Romney a 3-point lead, within the margin of error, but Obama doesn't need Florida to win as long as he gets states like Ohio, Colorado, Virginia and Nevada.
The polls will give Mittens a boost after his convention, but it will be short-lived and then Obama will have his convention. Then there will be debates.
Take a deep breath. It's not that bad, really. For Gawds sake McCain was leading Obama in most polls after he picked Palin and had his convention in 2008.
still_one
(92,216 posts)reason their premise does not hold this time is because everything is not equal
The repugs have declared war on Women, Social Security, and Medicare.
They are NOT going to win on that platform plan and simple
That is the reason the economy isn't the only factor, also not including that it was republican economic policies that caused the economic collapse that we are in today
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)still_one
(92,216 posts)GallopingGhost
(2,404 posts)I don't start poll-stalking until after the debates.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)why is it that the media (all rightwing, there is NO democratic media, even though the media lies and says it is democrat...but why is it that when Romney has a 1 percent lead, he is called the leader, yet when Obama leads by 4, it is a tie?
A 4% national vote means way over 350 electoral votes.
Obama has this clinched, when election day comes, there are going to be saying it was a surprise.
Why does it have to be like this?
btw- Florida is going to be democrat, what self-respecting senior will vote for Romney?
remember- Rasmussen, Gallup and all the others take phony &...and sure, if you interview 100 rightwing extremists, Romney will win ...d'oh
and the path to 270 is impossible for Romney to achieve.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)has been distinctly pro-Romney. It's extremely troubling and even Nate Silver is writing about this now.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/22/aug-22-keeping-score-on-a-busy-polling-day/
We're losing right now, imo.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)It takes 270 electoral votes to win and Romney isn't going to get that many.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)telling? He has unlimited money to convince people his lies are true. The American electorate is stupid. And GOP is energized and their turnout is going to be high. Walker recall high. If we don't have a cushion of 4-5 points were losing.
Lasher
(27,597 posts)That's in the popular vote.
RCP Average
Right now Obama leads Romney by 126 electoral votes.
Election Projection
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Lasher
(27,597 posts)Bookmarked.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)...which is the most favorable one for the President. Ignore that poll, and a case can be made that today's results were favorable to the G.O.P -- with it included, I don't see how anyone can reach that conclusion.
PlanetBev
(4,104 posts)It's been the talk all week long and reminded Americans what Romney and Ryan believe. I'm hoping it widens the gap even more between Obama and Romney with women voters.
Even if there's a post convention bump, that platform will only be a reminder. The bump will last twenty minutes before they crater.
Ashleyshubby
(81 posts)Yougov had Obama ahead by 3% in the most recent poll before the last one showing a tie. You said Romney was ahead by 1%. Typing the correct information would lean things towards a freak-out.