Hillary Clinton: Raise Federal Minimum Wage To $12 Per Hour

[pinebox]

That is her call according to HuffPo.
There's only one big problem with this. Bernie is out in front of her on this as he supports #FightFor15 with a $15/hr minimum wage.
Yes, it's a step in the right direction for Hillary but it doesn't go far enough. She is for a "sliding scale" as well, where not everybody would make $12/hr. That my friends is nothing but a RW talking point. If it was progressive, it would be the other way around, where the base is $12 and then goes upwards. It's not, she's capped it and put ita ceiling of $12/hr on it.

Someone show me please where you can live in NYC, Denver, SF or Honolulu at $12/hr? You can't. That means what? You subsidize Walmart with your tax dollars just like you do now.

This is another reason why I support Bernie. The difference comes out to $490 a month more under Bernie's plan. That's a lot of cash for millions of people. That's groceries, the difference in making rent, prescriptions, co-pays, gas money to get to work, ability to feed ones kids.

The mere fact that Hillary says "I'm more comfortable saying let's get to $12," speaks volumes. You know what I'm more comfortable with? People not being evicted because they can't make rent.

Hillary Clinton: Raise Federal Minimum Wage To $12 Per Hour


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-raise-federal-minimum-wage-to-12-per-hour_56394247e4b0411d306eca12

U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said on Tuesday at two campaign stops in Iowa that she would like to raise the federal minimum wage to $12 an hour from the current $7.25.

Clinton has said repeatedly she wants to raise wages for working Americans, including by raising the minimum hourly wage, but she has rarely named a specific figure.

"I want to raise the federal minimum wage to $12, and encourage other communities to go even higher," Clinton told a campaign event in Coralville, Iowa.

"I think we can manage it, and I don't think there should be any unintended consequences to job creation," Clinton said at another campaign stop at Grinnell College.

Many U.S. cities and municipalities have established a higher minimum wage than the federal rate. Bernie Sanders, who is Clinton's chief challenger for the Democratic Party nomination for the 2016 presidential election, has said the federal minimum wage should be raised to $15 an hour.

"I'm more comfortable saying let's get to $12," Clinton said at Grinnell, "in a reasonable, expeditious way."

[Cosmic Kitten]

1. Hillary won't support a LIVING WAGE

[pinebox]

4. Yup

She doesn't.

[DanTex]

2. And if there were a candidate for $16/hr, you'd be calling Bernie a RWer...

[pinebox]

6. Dan

Please defend Hillary on this for all of us.
We'd love to hear you.

Hillary is behind the 8 Ball on this. There's no issue about it and when it comes up in the debates, she's going to lose on this. There's a big difference between $15 and $15. Not the best analogy.

And no, I'd be calling both proposals awesome where both win.
Nice try though. Way to deflect.

[Cosmic Kitten]

8. Go easy on 'em, Math is hard

[pinebox]

14. Yup!

[JaneyVee]

11. The mom and pop shops in rural America may disagree.

[pinebox]

13. Oh look at that!

A RW talking point on not raising the minimum wage!

[JaneyVee]

17. I'm all for raising the minimum wage.

Go for a walk.

[pinebox]

18. I already have

but maybe you should re-read what you said & put your thinking cap on.
That is a constant RW talking point. Mom and pop shops, from minimum wage to Obamacare with the employer mandate.
I know, it sucks when the truth hurts.

[JaneyVee]

24. LOL. Buddy, I'm an economist...

I'm all for raising the minimum wage. The Republican talking point is to abolish the minimum wage. Are you new at this whole politics thing?

[pinebox]

39. Am I knew?

Are you? And BTW, I work in research XD On the political level at that too.
What did I tell you yesterday? You really should heed to what I said

[jeff47]

57. Given that you don't seem to understand "Mom and pop" businesses have customers

I really hope you are not actually an economist.

[hedgehog]

29. There are no more Mom and Pop shops in rural areas -

only franchises or corporate shops.

[giftedgirl77]

30. How'd it work out in Seattle?

Oh wait it didn't.

[pinebox]

44. Oh?

[giftedgirl77]

48. That's a company I'm referring to the resolution that didn't

pass but please keep dishing up random bullshit to fit your narrative.

[pinebox]

50. awww

You're mad. I'm sorry. Why don't you tell all of us how you think $12 is good and will raise people out of poverty with how it's not a living wage. We'd love to hear that!That shit would be solid gold dude lol

[giftedgirl77]

54. I don't argue with ppl that aren't part of the reality based community.

Please tell us again how BS is planning on making all of his plans come to pass. Magic beans, fairy dust & unicorns you say?

[AgingAmerican]

56. It passed in a suburb named SeaTac

15 dollar an hour minimum wage. Not in Seattle. It is working out fine in SeaTac.

[Dr. Doolittle]

40. Ahh.. what do I hear?

Clinton supporters parroting right-wing talking points? What a shocker! Someone have the defib ready for me....



NOT!

[DanTex]

15. The question is, how high can the minimum wage be raised before it starts

to affect employment. There is strong evidence suggesting that $12 will not have adverse effects. $15 is less clear, and there is a risk of hurting labor markets.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/11/opinion/sunday/the-minimum-wage-how-much-is-too-much.html

Also, in contrast to what you said in the OP, Hillary wants $12 to be the national floor, with states and cities having the option of going higher.

[Cosmic Kitten]

20. How much wealth can the 1% control...

before it puts a drag on the economy
resulting in a recession?

How long can wages remain stagnant
or shrink relative to purchasing power
before the economy goes into recession?

[JaneyVee]

28. You realize that small biz employs 75% of workers, and..

That small biz owners average $60K a year. http://smallbusiness.chron.com/average-income-small-business-owners-5189.html

[Cosmic Kitten]

37. The right-wing small business ploy

Small business are not mom-n-pop shops.

http://www.forbes.com/best-small-companies/

US Silica Holdings: 3.3 billion
Gentherm: market cap 1.4 billion
EPAM Systems: market cap 2.2 billion

Calling something a *small business*
is using misleading, yet technically
accurate language

[JaneyVee]

58. The link I gave is of actual small biz.

Sure there are some that are probably faking it, but what about the overwhelming majority who aren't? I think $12/hr as the floor is reasonable for the urban/rural divide to absorb. It can always be raised again, it's not set in stone.

[Dr. Doolittle]

42. You do know in the eyes of the government

a few large corporations exceeding billions of dollars in profits and offshored to avoid taxes are considered small business?

[Bernin4U]

46. Right. It's because big biz no longer does employees.

Employees are so last century. Now it's all about contractors.

For ex, UPS is a union shop. But that doesn't stop them from bringing in part-time "contractors" to do their sorting, for the equivalent of $7/hr (which here is $2.50 below the state min wage).

It's been said that by 2020, a full 40% of the work force will be "gigging". Crowdsourcing, as with Uber, is the hot new brass ring of outsourcing. If co's can get away with this full scale, why wouldn't they?

So which candidate do you suppose is more likely to do something about closing these loopholes and reversing this trend?

[Human101948]

7. If...but there isn't...

Unless it's Senator Strawman.

[think]

9. $12 or LESS on a sliding scale. That's what Hillary is comfortable with. The Democratic party

supports $15 an hour.

Democrats Make A $15 National Minimum Wage An Establishment Principle

MINNEAPOLIS — The Democratic Party platform now calls for a $15 per hour national minimum wage for all hourly workers after delegates voted in an amendment proposed by progressive activists during the Democratic National Committee Meeting here on Friday.

The move aligns Democrats with the most vocal of the activist left and labor movement — and puts the party to left of its presidential frontrunner, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Most Democrats, including Clinton, favor an increase in the federal minimum wage of some kind. The Obama administration has set $12 as its suggested federal minimum, while urging states that want to go above it, to do so. Clinton has also urged states and localities to raise their minimum wage to $15/hour, but has declined to publicly support a $15 federal minimum wage, citing differing economic landscapes from state to state.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/democrats-make-a-15-national-minimum-wage-an-establishment-p#.rdve74Ogge

So that puts Hillary to the right of the Democratic party let alone Bernie Sanders.

[DanTex]

16. Where did you get the "$12 or less" thing?

[pinebox]

23. Catch

She's all over the park Dan once again.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/hillary-clinton-wants-fast-food-workers-make-more-money

[DanTex]

25. So you made it up. The moral is: don't believe things that Bernie fans

post on DU.

[pinebox]

31. Umm Dan--reading is the hardz!!!1111

Nothing is made up. Jeez read please.

Now defend her position on $12/hr. Go for it.

[DanTex]

36. Yes, you made it up. And people believed you. I'm starting to understand how all the

misinformation spreads through the Bernie world...


This is what you made up in the OP:

She is for a "sliding scale" as well, where not everybody would make $12/hr. That my friends is nothing but a RW talking point. If it was progressive, it would be the other way around, where the base is $12 and then goes upwards. It's not, she's capped it and put ita ceiling of $12/hr on it.

[pinebox]

47. I understand facts suck Dan and

reading isn't a strong point in the Hillary world.

She's for a sliding scale Dan.

While Clinton may support a higher wage for workers in New York, she's resisted liberals' calls to raise the national minimum wage to $15 per hour. "I think part of the reason that the Congress and very strong Democratic supporters of increasing the minimum wage are trying to debate and determine what’s the national floor is because there are different economic environments," Clinton said in New Hampshire last week. "And what you can do in L.A. or in New York may not work in other places."

[DanTex]

52. Sliding scale with $12 min, not $12 max. Like I said, you made that up.

Here's from your OP:

She is for a "sliding scale" as well, where not everybody would make $12/hr. That my friends is nothing but a RW talking point. If it was progressive, it would be the other way around, where the base is $12 and then goes upwards. It's not, she's capped it and put ita ceiling of $12/hr on it.

[pinebox]

53. No Dan. You're failing.

Try again.

Use Google, I'm sure you can find it. There's lots on there about this.

Now again, last time and then 3 strikes you're out.

DEFEND $12/hr. Do it.

[DanTex]

55. I'm just quoting the false statement from your OP.

Here it is, again:

She is for a "sliding scale" as well, where not everybody would make $12/hr. That my friends is nothing but a RW talking point. If it was progressive, it would be the other way around, where the base is $12 and then goes upwards. It's not, she's capped it and put ita ceiling of $12/hr on it.

That is pure fabrication. What she is for is precisely what you describe as "progressive": $12 min, and upwards from there.

The fact that you're still trying to pretend that this is true is hilarious.

[Dr. Doolittle]

38. Dude. Did you just see what you wrote?

So we're supposed to compromise on $12/hour? Enough is enough! It's time to get on with modern times.

[DanTex]

41. Why is $12 a compromise and not $15?

[Dr. Doolittle]

43. Clinton is part of the problem

and never had to live in poverty. Not once.

[DanTex]

45. So you have no answer to my question.

[Dr. Doolittle]

51. Because $15 is sustainable living wage

even at less than 40 hours a week.

Do you think we proles like to eat cat food or dollar food?

[still_one]

3. 8 minute Abs verses 7 minute Abs

[Human101948]

5. That makes me feel uncomfortable...

As I was exiled from the Hillary group for saying, sounds like preserving the status quo.

[JaneyVee]

10. K AND R!

Sounds like a reasonable amount big biz and small biz could absorb, as well as urban and rural biz.

[pinebox]

19. Are you serious?

That is NOT a living wage!

[Cosmic Kitten]

21. When you say *urban* biz... what do you mean?

[pinebox]

27. ohhhh

I felt that canon fire! lol

[restorefreedom]

62. are you sure you are on the right board?

you are quick with those rw talking points

[Vattel]

12. I can't attack Clinton on this cuz I know almost nada about economics.

I know, I know, I should educate myself. Geez, I have a child to feed, give me a break.

[Cosmic Kitten]

32. The economic engine runs better bottom up

Low wage workers with more
purchasing power create more jobs
while dispersing wealth across a broader base.

The current economic environment does
exactly the opposite by consolidating wealth,
hence stagnation and recession.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity_of_money

If, for example, in a very small economy, a farmer and a mechanic, with just $50 between them, buy new goods and services from each other in just three transactions over the course of a year

Farmer spends $50 on tractor repair from mechanic.
Mechanic buys $40 of corn from farmer.
Mechanic spends $10 on barn cats from farmer.

then $100 changed hands in the course of a year, even though there is only $50 in this little economy. That $100 level is possible because each dollar was spent on new goods and services an average of twice a year, which is to say that the velocity was 2/\text{year}. Note that if the farmer bought a used tractor from the mechanic or made a gift to the mechanic, it would not go into the numerator of velocity because that transaction would not be part of this tiny economy's gross domestic product (GDP).

[Vattel]

61. Wow, who are you who are so wise in the ways of economics?

Seriously, that is interesting, and someday I will explore at least the basics of economics.

[NRaleighLiberal]

22. So Hillary, accept 12.00 per hour and what it works out to for 40 hours.

Don't add to that from any of your sources. See how that works out for ya.

[hedgehog]

26. At least $3 short.

Talk about triangulating!

[berni_mccoy]

33. She'll cave on this and much much more if elected.

We need a real fighter for livable wages and progressive causes. Not someone who changes positions so fast your head will spin like Linda Blair's!

[hedgehog]

34. "Martin O’Malley Backs $15 National Minimum Wage"

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Martin O’Malley Backs $15 National Minimum Wage
He's contrasting himself with Hillary Clinton.
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Posted: 07/16/2015 10:01 PM EDT | Edited: 07/17/2015 12:01 AM EDT
IOWA CITY, IA - JUNE 11:

Democratic presidential candidate Martin O’Malley on Thursday declared his support for raising the national minimum wage to $15 an hour, contrasting himself with frontrunner Hillary Clinton.

“I strongly support the national movement to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour, because it will lift millions of families out of poverty and create better customers for American businesses,” O’Malley said in a statement. “Some people will say this is hard to do. And it will be. But leadership is about forging public consensus -- not following it. On this issue, we must lead with our progressive values to rebuild the American Dream.”


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/martin-omalley-minimum-wage_55a85934e4b04740a3df9806

[Dr. Doolittle]

35. Not Good Enough, Hillary!

It's $15 or $20. Take your pick. $12 is not enough.

[zappaman]

49. OK. n/t

[coyote]

59. At $12/hr and 40hr/week, it will only take 12 years to make the same as Hillary's

20 minute $300,000 speech to Cisco. Seems fair.

[olddots]

60. one word

WAL-MART. ......but never mind .....