Honestly---I don't give a shit if you vote for Hillary.

[trumad]

I do know that if you lobby folks here to not vote for her after she wins the nomination---- your life-expectancy on DU will be shorter than a Lovebug on I-95.

There will always be people who will take this position either out of conviction or just a plain hissy fit.

I sincerely believe that there's not enough of you to make a dent in a err Lovebug's ass.

So yell---scream---stomp your foot---whatever---because seriously, I personally don't give a fuck.

[redgreenandblue]

1. This graph tells me that her nomination is not settled.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary

[brooklynite]

4. Here's something to understand about math...

...if Clinton is 1) above 50% and 2) not falling, that means there isn't a lot of room for Sanders to take the lead.

[redgreenandblue]

5. Well, the graph shows a development of poll results over time.

The last months have seen strong fluctuations and there are still months ahead. I would say the end-result is unpredictable.

Based on the current numbers I would guess the odds of Hillary winning vs. Bernie winning to be 2 to 1.

Not bad for a guy that a year ago no one had heard of.

(I understand odds are always a tricky thing if you cannot repeat something under identical conditions. I mean odds in a Bayesian sense.)

[VanillaRhapsody]

9. I see only one strong fluctuation....

[randys1]

76. I will repeat my comment "Show me who beats the cons with a poll in May, and that is

who I want to be the nominee"

[Dawgs]

15. She can't fall in the future?

Or was that a joke?

[brooklynite]

24. She didn't fall in 2008...

Her problem was she never got her numbers over 50%. Except for that short period in Aug-Sept, she's never been below 50% this time around:



Add to which, she's learned the lessons of ignoring Caucus States and won't make the same mistake again. And she'll have the financial resources to hire the ground staff to turn those expressions of support into actual votes.

[WillyT]

61. But She Did Fail...

[brooklynite]

62. Largely due to tactical errors with respect to campaigning in Caucus States...

...she's smart enough to learn from her mistakes.

[cherokeeprogressive]

95. So it's Fail but with an asterisk now is it?

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory?

[Aerows]

93. She lost the Primary.

You can spin that up, down, smash it all around, but it was a strategy that failed to get her elected.

I guess this point is where I just throw my hands up and say "Proceed, Madame Secretary".

We have got to get more Democratic candidates into office.

[DCBob]

47. It tells me..

Bernie got a bit of bounce from Biden dropping but it wont be nearly enough to catch Hillary who got a bigger bounce.

Its not settled but the fat lady is warming up!

[tularetom]

2. You seem to spend a lot of time telling the world you don't give a shit

One might be forgiven for getting the impression that you protesteth too much.

[NurseJackie]

13. I think there's a big difference between someone's not caring …

… about whether or not another person actually votes and in someone growing weary of hearing about it. It's a mistake to confuse the two or to draw conclusions by conflating the two.

I feel the same way as the OP. The so-called "conscience voters" whose "vote is not for sale" are merely seeking attention and having a tantrum. They're feeling fearful and helpless and frustrated. They are likely seeking validation from other like-minded individuals, or they want to regain some sense of control by engaging with others who feel obligated to try and talk them down.

Ugh. What a waste of time to indulge their vanities. Why reward bad behavior? It only encourages more of the same. At its most base level, that type of behavior reminds me of a toddler having a fit at the candy rack of the grocery store. They know they've lost the battle, yet they persist because the parent gives them attention.

It doesn't matter that the attention is negative, it's attention and that's good enough. The child "forced" the parent to do something, to respond, and that's apparently all they need to feel as though they're in control of an uncontrollable circumstance.

So, when a frustrated toddler threatens to hold their breath until they turn blue in the face, I say LET THEM (for all the good it will do). At least when they pass out, they'll be quiet.

[trumad]

18. I like you.

[NurseJackie]

28. Awww. I like you too. :-)

[Lil Missy]

29. My sentiments exactly. A bunch of childish tantrums, with concurrent delusions.

[NurseJackie]

38. #BlueInTheFace ;-)

Sometimes it reminds me of those photos that people post on Facebook, the ones entitled "Reasons my Son is Crying".

… because he wants to fly to the moon.
… because he found out I have a name other than Mommy.
… because a fly landed near him.
… because I wouldn't let him play in the washing machine.
… because I wouldn't let him take a bath in his Halloween costume.
… because he found a deformed gummy bear.
… because Daddy shaved his mustache.
… because Bernie isn't going to be the Democratic nominee.

[peace13]

104. This is quite entertaining..

...you do remember when Hill refused to concede for weeks, failing to show up for press conferences that she set up. Her success was holding the Dems hostage until she could get her act together and arrange for her own future before coming out and admitting that she lost to Obama. I wouldn't be mocking anyone for crying. I am sorry that my memory is not short and that I believe words and actions mean something. If Hillary supporters want to grow the ranks of her supporters they need to treat people who are not quite there yet as though they matter. Just saying...

[NurseJackie]

107. Actually, it is THEY who are indicating that their vote doesn't matter. What contemptible behavior!

I have no doubt that they'll find the comfort and validation and attention that they desire. It just won't be from me.

[randys1]

78. Oh god...you you you you

At least when they pass out, they'll be quiet.

[NurseJackie]

103. :-D

[Dem2]

81. Good post.

[NurseJackie]

102. Thanks. (nt)

[mcar]

83. So well said NurseJackie

[NurseJackie]

101. Thanks. (nt)

[Hekate]

86. Love your post, especially the last sentence

[NurseJackie]

100. Thanks. (nt)

[Tipperary]

21. What you said.

Exactly.

[closeupready]

25. +1. Her supporters know she will lose in the GE.

[trumad]

27. Really?

To whom may I ask?

[restorefreedom]

59. anyone. nt

[trumad]

63. Anyone?

You Bernie supporters crack me up.

Anyone is your answer?

[restorefreedom]

67. anyone running repub. however,

if you want more specificity

imo hillary will lose to
trump
rubio
carson
kasich

she has a chance against
bush
christie
graham

she has a better chance against
paul
fiorina

i refuse to consider huckabee as a serious contender. the likeliest gop is carson, trump, rubio or kasich, all lf whom would win against hillary.

better?

[trumad]

68. Hillary will lose to Ben Carson?

You are seriously telling me that.

Look---I know you love Bernie---I get it.

BUT do yourself a favor--- whatever you are smoking is not good for you. Stop it now before it is to late.

Hillary will lose to Ben Carson---oh you Bernie supporters are just so cute.

[restorefreedom]

69. i smoke nothing

he is a wacko, but he comes off to the other wackos as sane. and he could split the aa vote if conservative poc decide to break that way.

it is unlikely he will make it to a ge but he has no baggage, she has tons.

but if you insist,....

Ben Carson Would Be Hillary Clinton’s Toughest Opponent — WSJ/NBC News Poll

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/11/03/ben-carson-would-be-hillary-clintons-toughest-opponent-wsjnbc-news-poll/

Carson DESTROYS Hillary Head-To-Head In New Poll

http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/04/carson-destroys-hillary-head-to-head-in-new-poll/

[trumad]

70. The Fucking Daily Caller?

You just used an extreme right wing shit rag to make your argument?

Like I said---you Bernie supporters are so cute.

[restorefreedom]

72. did you not notice the nbc/wsj article?

i included it for the ct inclined cuz i knew the dc would upset some. frankly, i think polls are meaningless esp at this stage but some seem to like them.

[trumad]

73. The Daily fucking Caller?

And the Rupert Murdoch rag...the WSJ?

You funny

[restorefreedom]

74. polls are meaningless at this point anyway

i provided a couple of links only because someone suggested i was smoking something for havin the opinion i had.

[MoonRiver]

90. Desperate people will do anything!

[Doubledee]

79. generalizations are seldom clever

or accurate either. Long, long way to go in this contest and this hissy fit between those who support her and those who support him is just truly silly.

If you havent got anything to say the best thing to do is not say it.

[Lil Missy]

30. And Bernie won't make it through Super Tuesday, if he lasts that long.

So nanny nanny boo boo to you too.

[BlueCaliDem]

32. ...

[Hekate]

87. Oooo, what you said

I keep wanting to post "Neener, neener, neener." But I have mature restraint.

[KingCharlemagne]

46. LOL! - nt

[mmonk]

3. Sure you do.

Be honest. Otherwise, why the op?

[trumad]

8. Well the Op's purpose it to say...

I don't give a fuck what a few random people are going to do with their vote.

[Dawgs]

16. You should give a fuck.

Getting 80% of the Democrats, far less voter turnout than Obama, and not getting any votes from Indys or Republicans sure ain't going to do it.

[trumad]

19. We're talking--what--20 at the most here on DU.

Like I said---a dent in a lovebug's ass.

[Dawgs]

35. I'm talking about Hillary having zero chance on becoming the next President.

But, shouldn't be a surprise with this party.

[BlueCaliDem]

39. Based on Republican fuzzy math? Or

based on Republican-friendly media and pollsters? Because I don't see where you're getting your numbers.

However, there is definitely ZERO chance that Sanders will get the nom, and when Obama and Biden begin campaigning for Hillary Clinton - IF she's the nominee - and awaken the Obama Coalition, there's is even less chance than that, that a Republican will win the White House.

[Dawgs]

45. One, my PREDICTION has nothing to do with Sanders.

And two, polling at this point for the GE doesn't mean shit.

Hillary has far too many things to overcome if she is the nominee. She will lose.

[BlueCaliDem]

98. Oh. I assumed you understood we're still in a primary season. My mistake.

And two, polling at this point for the GE doesn't mean shit.

We finally agree on something! So...why the gloom-doom that Hillary Clinton won't win the presidency? You contradict yourself here, unless, of course, you believe the Republican mantra that she's going to jail, to which I respond with .

Hillary has far too many things to overcome if she is the nominee. She will lose.

Right. Just like people around here were proclaiming that President Obama had gone and done it by not getting single-payer through, Teapublicans winning the U.S. House, and Obama's prospects of getting re-elected was next to nil.

Uh huh.

I sure do hope you'll be around after November 8th next year. I really do, Dawgs.

[trumad]

56. Well who is going to beat her?

[Dawgs]

58. I don't know, Trump, Cruz, Rubio. Pick one. n/t

[trumad]

60. .

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[Lil Missy]

31. Your numbers are bullshit. You made them up.

[Dawgs]

44. Of course they're made up. It's a prediction.

But tell me. How many Republicans will vote for her? How many Indys are excited about voting for someone that many see as a liar, dishonest, and untrustworthy?

The word “liar” was mentioned 178 times in association with Hillary Clinton. Some of the other top words voters said to describe the former Secretary of State were “dishonest,” “untrustworthy,” and “criminal.”

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/poll-liar-frequently-word-hillary-clinton/story?id=33361629

How has the voter turnout among Democrats been in the last two elections with the establishment candidate on the ticket?

How will someone with high disapproval's (>50%) do in a national election?

How will someone who doesn't create enthusiasm do when excitement among voters is already really low?

How?

[MoonRiver]

77. PredictWise and others totally disagree with you.

But keep up with the rw memes. At some point this won't be tolerated here.

http://www.predictwise.com/politics/2016president

[Dawgs]

80. What won't be tolerated? Opinions on how a Democrat will do in the GE? n/t

[BlueCaliDem]

41. You're forgetting that President Obama hasn't even begun to campaign for the

primary winner because, well, we haven't had our primaries yet, have we?

[MoonRiver]

6. What trumad said!

The faux drama of these "announcements" about not voting for her, is not only tiring, it clutters up the board. I spend half my time on DU-P trashing these idiotic threads or putting the proclaimers on ignore. What a waste of time, but it's the only way to unclutter the board and find real information (like how high Hillary is rising in the polls, lol!).

[trumad]

7. It's fucking stupid...

I'm leaning more to the hissy fit aspect of it.

[MoonRiver]

12. My parents told me I threw the biggest tantrums ever.

I've now been topped in that category by the DU-P proclaimers!

[VanillaRhapsody]

10. I don't trash those threads...

I use them to purge trolls.....its my own personal pan pizza delivery!

[MoonRiver]

11. Well, I often do that too!

The pizza man cometh!

[voteearlyvoteoften]

14. Only one love bug ?

[trumad]

20. LOL

Rare sighting for sure.

[BlueCaliDem]

36. Whether or not you're an "actual Liberal", 108vd, still remains to be seen.

With only 91 posts (as of this writing), and a fairly new account, and taking into account that top GOP strategists are flooding message boards, twitter-feeds, and FB pages with #gobernie and #feelthebern, it's getting more difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff.

And what the heck do you mean, "Clinton trolls"? Just in case it slipped your mind, this is the DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND, she's a DEMOCRAT, and her supporters are DEMOCRATS. So dial down the use of "trolls" when referring to her DEMOCRATIC supporters, okay?

[NurseJackie]

50. I'm thinking that's a slip of the tongue (so to speak).

In the heat of the moment, and in the eagerness to quickly post a reply, it could be that the phrase "Clinton trolls" was inadvertent. If so, it's definitely a clue regarding the writer's mindset, and possibly of the writer's habitual and instinctive way of referring to Hillary Clinton supporters. I have to wonder, what kind of person is it that would being using such a phrase with such regularity that it accidentally slips out? Where would this type of phrase be commonplace? What are we to make of that?

[BlueCaliDem]

52. I'm thinking along those very same lines.

The stronger Hillary Clinton becomes, the more of these "new posters" we'll be seeing popping up on DU.

[NurseJackie]

97. It appears that our suspicions were correct.

[BlueCaliDem]

99. Yes, they were, N.Jackie. Yes, they were.

[aikoaiko]

64. I don't you understant the term troll in this context

I think its pretty clear that there are both Bernie and HRC supporters trolling each other.

[Hekate]

88. My check is late. They promised me a HillaryPhone too. I feel used. nt

[leftofcool]

22. Yes!

[tazkcmo]

23. Great! Thanx!

Being "banned" from DU is a pretty pathetic deterrent. After all, there are plenty of sites that aren't owned by HRC supporters.

[trumad]

26. Well don't you think you should be banned if---

You bash the nominee?

If Bernie somehow pulls a Virgin Mary miracle and wins the nomination--- I think any member who bashes him should be banned as well.

[KingCharlemagne]

49. LOL - a "Virgin Mary miracle"? Well, Sanders is a Jewish Socialist, much like his

Erstwhile predecessor: )

[trumad]

53. OK---part the Red Sea miracle...

Better?

[Cha]

33. LOL.. I remember lovebugs in Florida... Blast from the past!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

34. The impact of DU and how DUers vote elections is highly overrated.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

37. Your thread was alerted upon, and here are the results:

On Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:41 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Honestly---I don't give a shit if you vote for Hillary.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251769041

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Pure meta, disruptive trollery.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:46 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Disruptive trollery from trumad? I don't think so. Leave it alone. And if it is meta, the hosts will lock it.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Leave Trumad alone. He fought for our nation and now he is fighting for our party!
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Lame alert.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

I was Juror #2.

[99Forever]

40. Well good. That is something we share.

I don't give a shir about you or your opinions either.




Agreement is good.

[frylock]

42. Metacratic Underground

[mmonk]

51. .

You hit the nail on the head.

[HomerRamone]

43. Do any of you Hillary supporters "give a shit" that NOT ONE VOTE has been counted yet

and you expect all of the rest of us to eagerly support what you wish is "inevitable" after all the posts like this?

[aikoaiko]

48. I think you give many fucks.

[trumad]

54. Honest---I swear to God I don't.

[MoonRiver]

55. I think you're going to have to sign a pledge. n/t

[trumad]

57. Probably!

[whatchamacallit]

65. Glad to hear it

I don't know if people could bare the shame of trumad's disapproval.

[Cha]

66. Allow me to enumerate..

[Historic NY]

71. +1

[Gothmog]

75. I love this

[one_voice]

82. Oh, I'm stealing that.

[Cha]

89. Have at it one_note~

I most certainly did!

[Spazito]

105. LOL, love it! n/t

[Cha]

106. ..

Hey Spazito.. I just posted this Vid of Hillary on Jimmy Kimmel last night that you might like..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110725412

She's great.. talks about emails.. lol

[mcar]

84. This Floridian salutes your love bug

And please keep it away from my car.

[prayin4rain]

85. Ew, is that what a lovebug looks like? ?! I just assumed they'd be cuter. n/t

[Art_from_Ark]

91. Lovebugs actually look like this

[prayin4rain]

92. That's better! n/t

[Fearless]

94. And if you take the position to convince people to vote for Hillary when she loses?

[joshcryer]

96. The Green Party might get above 0.5% of the vote.

But they will almost certainly not even break 1% much less make the 5% to get national funding.

[EndElectoral]

108. Thanks for your permission. I can now sleep at night.

[trumad]

109. Late shift?