I'd like to award Bernie Sanders a pair of used Flip Flops

[Renew Deal]

For changing his mind on the Benghazi investigation. I guess he's not tired of it after all. They are used because the Republicans used them already.

[JackInGreen]

1. Did you or anyone see the debate

Where he was asked about this and clarified on the spot? I keep seeing this posted and I dobt hear any response to that.

[Renew Deal]

12. Yes. That's the point

At the debate he said nobody gives a damn about her email. Now he does. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=769356

[JackInGreen]

15. As soon as he left the stage

He was questioned about it and indicated the context for his statement , did you see that? Or are we cherry picking?

[Renew Deal]

17. I saw that he botched the line

But he didn't backtrack on it at the time. He accepted the spotlight.

[JackInGreen]

18. Then we saw very different things

I suggest you rewatch that bit if you can find it. God knows CNN wants to control it.

[Snotcicles]

31. Funny how saying "The American people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails!" got

twisted into some sort of an exoneration. But that's what they do, here on DU.

[JackInGreen]

32. Well of COURSE

No room for nuance and complexity when you're READY. I've never understood how some can turn ambivalence or support over petty matters as a denial of any and all culpability for anything else.

[Snotcicles]

38. It's a trusted method that the practiced use to trick the easily tricked. nt

[jeff47]

23. Cherry picking. As usual. (nt)

[mmonk]

2. Are they Hillary's?

[MineralMan]

3. Welcome back.

I hope your rest renewed your energy.

[mmonk]

9. It did MM. And thanks.

[JackInGreen]

5. Usual tactic

'Attack your opponent for your own failings, say it often, say it loud, marginalize those that argue' I swear there are tulip bulbs here that bud turd blossoms.

[Blue_Adept]

6. They're worn by every politician

Every Politician Ever, in fact.

[NorthCarolina]

19. No, they're Rainbow sandals, not Stuart Weitzman sandals. eom

[NCTraveler]

4. Wasn't someone here trashed for saying Sanders.....

meant in the debate exactly what he is saying now. It made perfect sense if I remember the op correctly but they were solidly trashed for saying he meant exactly what he is saying now. Seems said op was correct.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. He didn't change his mind. He still thinks other issues are more important.

[JackInGreen]

8. ^^THIS^^

[femmedem]

22. Exactly! you can watch the WSJ remarks and judge for yourself.

He says the investigation should continue unimpeded, but shouldn't be a focus of the campaign. His remarks are being twisted.

[mmonk]

10. Whenever something is off protocol, it should be scrutinized.

That's a big difference than wishing to hear the politicization of the private server (namely for conspiracy theories from the right).

[ctsnowman]

11. Is the FBI looking into Benghazi now?

Or did you mix up the email investigation with the Benghazi one.
I thought only the repubs were doing that.

[Renew Deal]

13. It's all the same thing.

Email is part of Benghazi

[ctsnowman]

14. No the FBI is not investigating Benghazi

Just the email BS. IMHO both are total BS but they are not the same.

[Renew Deal]

16. Email came from Benghazi

They cannot be seperated. Rewatch the hearing and you'll see what I mean.

[ish of the hammer]

20. Clinton put public business on her private server-

The FBI is investigating to see if any laws were broken.
Is that true?
If it's true, it's not an attack.

[JackInGreen]

25. They like to bundle it remember?

If anything discovered while looking into anything else it's invalidated if the initial inquiry is invalidated, hadn't you heard?

[emulatorloo]

46. They are not investigating Clinton n/t

[ish of the hammer]

48. hey, works for me-

I'm tired of all this e-mail shit.
although, I'm curious if Dole Foods and Chiquita are contributors to the Clinton campaign or super pacs.

[jeff47]

24. Wow, Benghazi is so powerful it went back in time and set up an email server!! (nt)

[TwilightGardener]

44. Neither the State and Intelligence Inspectors General nor the FBI are involved with

or concerned about Benghazi. They are concerned with how her server was managed/secured and how classified material was handled on it. So yes, they can and have been separated. Your opinion on it matters not at all.

[Fawke Em]

45. No. They are completely separate issues.

Benghazi was a trumped up witch hunt by a pack of rabid Republicans hell bent on investigating Clinton and the Obama Administration for any and everything.

Yes, the existence of the private server came out of these hearings, but upon learning this fact, real investigators - the FBI - got involved to determine whether there was classified information on the server and whether the server was properly secured to protect that information.

Two completely separate issues. Hell, the FBI isn't even really investigating "emails," they are investigating the content as it relates to national security.

[TwilightGardener]

42. Nope. Dead wrong. Two separate issues, but Clinton would sure love us all

to conflate them.

[Fawke Em]

37. Actually, they are investigating neither.

They are investigating if she A. Had any classified or sensitive information on her private server and B. if she did, was the server sufficiently secure enough to protect that information.

I know people keep yelling about "emails," but the investigation isn't really about that. The FBI doesn't give a flying flip about her emailing Ben Afflack's charity or planning Chelsea's wedding. I don't care about that, either.

FWIW, the information doesn't have to be formally classified as "top secret" or "secret" to be considered "sensitive." Sensitive information can include personnel records like an employee's personal information. It's not a state secret, but if it contains medical information, for example, it's considered sensitive under HIPAA laws.

Clinton and many members of her staff certainly had the proper clearance to handle this information, so that's not the issue. The issue is whether a malicious state actor from China or Russia gained access to the server and could possibly have acquired this classified or sensitive information. (Those are the two countries that employee the most hackers - outside of us - for this type of espionage).

And, before someone points out (again) that the dot gov servers have been hacked and wonders why this is a big deal, I'll tell you. Dot gov has layers of security. Someone might have hacked into one portion of the government's servers and gotten some sensitive info (like personnel records), but between the encryption, the logging and monitoring and the other security measures, this hacker would have a very difficult time getting to the classified information.

In her defense, Clinton probably doesn't know much about this type of technology and the security that should surround it, but the people she hired to set the server up should have. From what I've read thus far, however, they either didn't know how to properly secure that server or didn't care. Her role in this mess, however, is that she hired this firm and worked outside of regulated federal channels apparently for convenience.

The FBI probably is also trying to determine if her actions were criminal or simply negligent. I don't know this for a fact since I don't work for the FBI, but as a former crime reporter and, now, the content manager for a cyber security firm that works closely with the FBI, my educated guess is that they are conducting a digital forensics investigation to determine that very issue.

I'm sure someone will slam me since I'm a Bernie supporter, but on this issue, I happen to know what I'm talking about given my background and work history.

[Bernin4U]

21. So revealing

About (the capacity to comprehend by) HRC supporters.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. I really don't blame the senator.

I blame his strategists and the fancy pollster they hired.

[MohRokTah]

27. He's really getting desperate.

Resorting to this tired old attack from Republicans tells me all I need to know about the man.

[Fawke Em]

39. It's not a tired attack.

The FBI isn't a group of Republican operatives and the FBI is conducting a digital forensics investigation into the security of the server.

All Bernie said is that we should let the FBI do it's job while the campaigns should concentrate on the issues. He said this right after the debate, too. It's not a shift. It's not desperate. It's just fact.

It's not unfathomable to consider that Americans can both be sick of the M$M's hype over the emails instead of focusing on the issues while still holding the belief that the FBI should be allowed to continue its investigation.

What's disingenuous is for Clinton supporters to purposely not "get" the fact that Benghazi and emails are a completely separate issue from the security of her server.

[MohRokTah]

47. .

Man, you crack me up!

[oasis]

28. I have steered clear of any criticism of Bernie in the past, but if he

continues on this course, I will be forced to do a flip flop of my own.

Sad to say, because I really had a lot of respect and admiration for him.

[Kentonio]

29. He has clearly flip flopped by not changing his position in the slightest..

[oasis]

49. His position on what? We are talking e-mails here, correct?

[JackInGreen]

51. We're talking about the committee/media obsession

Vs the ongoing FBI investigation. The committees we all know and even he I think has stated were bull. Saying the FBI should continue if they see fit is no flip flop. It's same as he said moments after the debate.

[oasis]

56. As I stated in my post, if Bernie goes no further on this, I'll

have no complaints.

[JackInGreen]

57. Be wary

The only further I think he might go is if questioned on it again and I think, given history, he'll shut em down. The stories that might come out of that though you can almost be assured will feature 'trashes' 'flip flops' or 'walks back', just like this has.

[oasis]

59. Thanks. (eom)

[Armstead]

55. He did not say anything beyind what Clinton herself has said

An FBI investigation is underway. It should be allowed to proceed and be completed according to standard procedure.

He never said she is guilty or accusatory, and he is not hyping it up now. He answered a question. He's just saying the same thing most others say about it.

[oasis]

58. I accept your assesment since I know

you to be one of the more reasonable and credible Bernie supporters.

[Agnosticsherbet]

30. Has Sanders has joined the witch hunt or is he practicing working with Republicans?

So much for running a campaign on the issues.

Benghazzi proved to be a Republican Witch Hunt to damage Hillary Clinton.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. Adversity doesn't build character...

[Armstead]

52. And what does agreeing with Clinton and most objectuve observers reveal?

The FBI is conducting an investigation. It will likely determine that nothing illegal happened. It is a law enforcement investigation.

The response by most objective observers say let it be completed. Clinton has said let it be completed.

Sanders did not say anything about whether or not Clinton is Guilty. He simply said an investigation is underway and it should be allowed to tun its course.

OMG! How despicable.

If that is the worst thing that Sanders has ever said or done, I'd suggest he be given a halo.

[Skidmore]

34. Yes, he's a politician.

Career politician. Insider.

And he has feeet of clay. Flipflops are a nice choice.

[madville]

35. The FBI investigation is not the

Congressional Benghazi investigation. While the Congressional Benghazi investigation exposed the email scandal, it is it's own independent issue now.

There is no problem with people being tired of hearing Congressional Republicans gripe about Benghazi and emails while still understanding that the FBI investigation is legitimate.

[Nedsdag]

36. Didn't these flip flops belong to Hillary? n/t

[silenttigersong]

40. So Hillary supporters

are using the FBI investigation into HRCs server set up as an attack on Bernie Sanders?I thought Sen.Sanders said "Let it play out"any final word from the FBI ?

[UglyGreed]

41. Good thing you did

not offer to buy Hillary a pair every time she has changed her tune....... We don't have these around for your benefit anymore.

[TwilightGardener]

43. I think everyone believes a law enforcement investigation should proceed.

Unless they're afraid of what it will uncover. The email server is an FBI investigation, not a political one. It would be wrong of Bernie or anyone to say it shouldn't be seen to conclusion. Doesn't Hillary want to be exonerated, anyway?

[jfern]

50. So you think the FBI investigation should end?

[SunSeeker]

61. Bernie was not talking about the FBI investigation. The FBI is not investigating Hillary.

In his most explicit critique of Hillary Clinton's email controversy to date, Democratic presidential rival Bernie Sanders told The Wall Street Journal that if the former secretary of state skirted public-records requests or compromised classified information, concerns about the issue are "valid questions."

Asked whether he regretted his remark that the American people are sick of hearing about her "damn emails" during the last debate, Sanders said in the Wednesday interview that he did not and that the investigation should "proceed unimpeded."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-hillary-email-215548#ixzz3qegH3aVT

[jfern]

62. He was talking about the FBI, and DOJ investigations, which do concern Hillary

[SunSeeker]

63. No, the FBI and DOJ are not investigating Hillary.

The CIA already said Hillary did not do anything wrong.

The allegations that Hillary did not disclose emails is Trey Gowdy bullshit.

[jfern]

64. The FBI is investigating, and what they find may or may not concern Hillary

[SunSeeker]

65. The question was about the media storm created by the Benghazi committee.

That is what generated the media circus over the Clinton email stories and what he said everyone was so damn sick and tired of hearing about. Now Bernie has endorsed that witch hunt of an investigation as "valid." Shameful.


The FBI is not investigating Hillary. Quit repeating bullshit right wing talking points.

[Oilwellian]

67. You really should catch up on the news

The WSJ article that has caused this stir also says the following, which was conveniently left out of the smear campaign against Bernie:

Sen. Sanders of Vermont, in an interview with The Wall Street Journal on Wednesday, also said the federal investigation of the security surrounding Mrs. Clinton’s private email account is appropriate.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/bernie-sanders-takes-gloves-off-against-hillary-clinton-in-interview-1446684586

There are tons of articles out that discuss the FBI investigation. Obama's Justice Department is carrying it out. That doesn't sound like a right wing conspiracy to me.

[SunSeeker]

69. You should catch up on the news. The FBI is not investigating Hillary.

The only investigation of Hillary is by the Benghazi committee, an expensive witch hunt. That is investigation that Dems correctly say should be shut down. But Bernie says it should go on "unimpeded." Shameful.

[Oilwellian]

70. Here's an article that states there is an FBI investigation

You really should catch up.

WASHINGTON — Federal agents were still cataloging the classified information from Hillary Rodham Clinton’s personal email server last week when President Obama went on television and played down the matter.

“I don’t think it posed a national security problem,” Mr. Obama said Sunday on CBS’s “60 Minutes.” He said it had been a mistake for Mrs. Clinton to use a private email account when she was secretary of state, but his conclusion was unmistakable: “This is not a situation in which America’s national security was endangered.”

Those statements angered F.B.I. agents who have been working for months to determine whether Mrs. Clinton’s email setup did in fact put any of the nation’s secrets at risk, according to current and former law enforcement officials.

Investigators have not reached any conclusions about whether the information on the server was compromised or whether to recommend charges, according to the law enforcement officials. But to investigators, it sounded as if Mr. Obama had already decided the answers to their questions and cleared anyone involved of wrongdoing.

The White House quickly backed off the president’s remarks and said he had not been trying to influence the investigation. But his comments spread quickly, raising the ire of officials who saw an instance of the president trying to influence the outcome of a continuing investigation — and not for the first time.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/17/us/politics/obamas-comments-on-clinton-emails-collide-with-fbi-inquiry.html?_r=0

Oh! Look! Here's another one!

The lengthy Benghazi probe may be behind her, but Hillary Clinton is still facing months of investigation into her emails.

The Democratic presidential front-runner testified for 11 hours last month before the House Select Committee on the deadly attacks in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012 - the same panel that discovered her use of the secret email server earlier this year.

Clinton has faced questions about whether the emails sent through a private server at her New York home was sufficient to ensure the security of sensitive information while she was secretary of state.

The FBI is investigating the security of Clinton's private email setup after classified data was found to have been transmitted over her server.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3299310/Benghazi-probe-Hillary-Clinton-facing-months-FBI-investigation-emails.html#ixzz3qf8NLgGk

There are so many articles written about classified data being found on her server. Your unwillingness to accept that fact, doesn't mean the FBI investigation isn't happening as we speak.

[SunSeeker]

72. The FBI is not investigating Hillary. None of your cites support that.

The NY Times has notoriously botched the story of Hillary's emails, claiming that there was a FBI criminal investigation involving them when there never was. I know you could care less, but this video by journalist Kurt Eichenwald explains what the FBI is actually doing better than anything I've seen, and shows the actual IG reports that all these stories are based on.

The IG reports had nothing to do with Hillary's handling of emails while Secretary of State. They were about the State Department FOIA staff's handling of emails for purposes of response to FOIA requests.

And as your Daily Mail article notes:

Former federal prosecutor Peter Zeidenberg told McClatchy: ‘If the emails were not marked, it would not be possible – at least not in my view – to establish that Ms Clinton knowingly mishandled classified information.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3299310/Benghazi-probe-Hillary-Clinton-facing-months-FBI-investigation-emails.html#ixzz3qfjPBMve

[azmom]

53. Those things are nasty and need to be thrown out. N/t

Gross

[Snotcicles]

54. Prolly smell like vinegar. nt

[Jokerman]

60. This is complete bullshit

But I suspect you already knew that.

[Reter]

66. Gross

n/t

[workinclasszero]

68. I hope Bernie gets a blow out in them

Like his new allies did on the republican witch hunting committee.

[2pooped2pop]

71. used? by who? Hillary?

They look well worn.