Bernie is a feminist!

[pinebox]

And that's according to Planned Parenthood!
The article below breaks every one of these points down in full.

7 Fantastic Times Bernie Sanders Stood Up For Women & Their Rights
http://www.bustle.com/articles/121154-7-fantastic-times-bernie-sanders-stood-up-for-women-their-rights

On The Violence Against Women Act
On Equal Pay
On The "War On Women"
On A Female President
On Planned Parenthood
On Maternity Leave
On The Equal Rights Amendment

[bravenak]

1. Good. Then this means no more talk of Gender card. No feminist would attack women so.

[HerbChestnut]

2. If that woman is using her gender to the detriment of the feminist movement

Then yeah, they deserve to be called on it.

[bravenak]

4. And men should decide for all what ways woman can use gender?

And if a man's side keeps pointing out the gender of his competitor by using women saying sexist things, HE should be called out on it. And he WAS.

[HerbChestnut]

6. Thanks for reinforcing my post.

Mischaracterizing Bernie as a sexist is low. Real low. *Planned Parenthood* came out with an article supporting him as a feminist. That should say it all.

[bravenak]

9. I Have seen the actual Sexism from Divine (correction- Jeff Weaver)and the grassroots.

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Yelling gender card at women discussing sexism is sexist.

[HerbChestnut]

11. Not when the charges of sexism are obviously disingenuous

And used to score cheap political points.

[bravenak]

16. I see real examples on a daily basis. Does not make him look good, having folks do it in his name.

[HerbChestnut]

18. Well, deflecting to some of his supporters is a whole other issue.

I won't argue with you there because with a large group of people comes all sorts of characters, and there's bound to be a few bad eggs. No candidate is immune to crappy supporters.

[bravenak]

19. Well, it is his job to be a strong leader and let people know they do not speak for him.

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Keeping Divine (correction- Weaver) around gives the impression that he approves of things like saying he'd think about her for VP, when she is actually far ahead. It is his job to prevent such nonsense or get rid of the offenders and create rules of behaiviour.

[HerbChestnut]

20. What Devine said was stupid when he knew it would be released to the public

But Bernie's not going to fire his campaign manager in the November leading up to the primaries for something relatively minor.

[JaneyVee]

22. He should fire him because of his poll numbers.

[HerbChestnut]

25. Going from 3% to 30% is pretty damn good.

If you're going to suggest something like that you might want to talk to O'Malley's campaign.

[bravenak]

23. Hillary had to get rid of folks last time for racism. These issues are bigger than you give them

credit for being. Once somebody shows you who they are, believe them. Tad is not going to be helpful in bringing in women.

[HerbChestnut]

27. I don't think what Devine said was sexist.

Stupid, yes. But not sexist. Bernie's campaign is doing quite well with women, but it's difficult to compete with a candidate who is making gender a focus of her campaign. There's a long time to go between now and the first votes that are cast. Never know what might happen.

[bravenak]

30. Are you a woman?

Let me explain if you are not.
Women have long been considered only good enough for the second spot, never the first. Even if more talented, she still gets tge VP spot, while a man gets to be president. She is winning, similar to being more talented at winning than Bernie. To offer her the VP spot when she is already beating HIM harkens back to days of old and days of new where woman can only hope for that second spot while the man gets number one.

[HerbChestnut]

32. You don't have to be a woman to understand that.

And I don't think Devine meant it that way at all. Think about where he's coming from. He's the campaign director for Bernie Sanders, and they're trying to win the Presidency. As a campaign, you want to project strength to potential voters because if you, as a campaign, don't think you can win then why would other people? If Devine came out and said, "You know, I really hope we get to be Hillary's VP," then the narrative would be: Bernie Sanders' campaign manager says he can't win.

So again, Devine's words were stupid and crass, nothing more.

BTW, asking me if I'm a woman then assuming I can't understand something if I'm not...is sexist.

[bravenak]

33. I think he meant it that way. Many think so. That is the issue.

[HerbChestnut]

34. Well then we will just have to disagree on that point.

[Armstead]

35. Pardon me for intrrupting but I think you're both talking about the wrong person

As I recall it was Sanders campaign staffer Jeff Weaver's who said that.

Back the regularly scheduled fighting.,

[HerbChestnut]

36. Thanks.

It's tough keeping up with everything sometimes.

[bravenak]

38. Thank you Armstead. We are not fighting.

[JTFrog]

10. What a fucking joke.

Someone needs to be called on something, but it sure as hell isn't Hillary. "detriment of the feminist movement" Something tells me you have zero clue what you are talking about.

[HerbChestnut]

14. Throwing around charges of sexism against other feminists dilutes the value of the word

And lessens the overall impact when it's actually warranted.

[JTFrog]

15. Thanks for proving me right.

Have a nice day.

[Thinkingabout]

3. Wow, seven times, I prefer a candidate who has spent her adult lifetime advocating for women's

issues.

[marym625]

5. Absolutely, he has spent his adult life advocating for women

And minorities. The absolute bullshit call outs in Sanders and his team being sexist is such a teabagger thing to do. It's nothing more than hyperbole and makes Hillary look like nothing but weak.

[pinebox]

7. That's right

[Catherina]

8. And a real feminist with depth n/t

[marym625]

13. I knew that they would be attacking Sen Sanders on ridiculous, made up crap

But this one is beyond the pale. And they're setting feminism back decades in the process. But, that's about par for the course in certain places

[Catherina]

17. They have nothing else. What are they going to talk about? The TPP? Libya? Iraq?

The millions of women and children enslaved by Hillary's neoliberal accomplishments? Or the many murdered, orphaned, widowed, crippled, homeless, forced into prostitution by the wars and military aggressions she enthusiastically supported?

Yeah it's beyond the pale but it's kind of good too because the sliminess is turning people off the same way it turned them off in 2008. And instead of learning, this time they doubled down trying to paint his supporters as racists. Well haha, the joke's on them because we kicked her ass in 2008 and we're gonna kick it even harder this time.

[marym625]

21. +1,000,000

[Ichingcarpenter]

12. Good and true.. I worked with planned parenthood twice

Once in the 70s designing and printing t shirts for them

And in the 80s in conjunction with mid wives and planned parenthood. I built an examining table for them in payment for the birth of my son.

Bernie has the history that even Hillary can't match on women's rights.

kick nominated

[JaneyVee]

24. No he's not.

And the fact that they can only find 7 examples is proof. And he wrote rape fantasy essays and another about prude women getting cancer.

[pinebox]

28. Yes Janey, Planned Parenthood is wrong for tweeting he is

Got it. Legit.

[JaneyVee]

31. So I'm guessing you agree with John Lewis that Hillary should be president.

[Armstead]

39. I donlt recakl them endirsing him for president

Just setting the record straight from the perspective giving him backing against the phony Rovelike distortions being tossed at him for political opportunism.

[JaneyVee]

40. But op asserts that PP is a reliable expert on feminism.

Ok. So wouldn't an expert in civil rights and govt be a reliable perspective on these issues?

[Armstead]

42. John Lewis is a great man, and is an expert in civil rights and government

I (and many others) disagree with his choice of presidential candidate.

That's apple and oranges to Planned Parenthood's statement. They weren't endorsing him for president.

[leftofcool]

26. Oh good gawd!

No, he isn't.

[pinebox]

29. Uh sure, you may want to discuss that with Planned Parenthood who says otherwise

[Armstead]

37. Sez you

That's about the level of discourse here

[zappaman]

41. ok. n/t