2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumChris Mathews: Bernie won tonight! Interest on Google highest for Bernie!
:largeNo polls, maybe because Bernie won the viewer debate polls so overwhelmingly, they've decided to eliminate them.
Saves them from deleting them, as CNN did last time.
Bernie was on FIRE! The most authentic, the most real, honest and passionate.
He's GRUMPY! So are WE!
I like Grumpy right now. Enough of the slick, polished, smiling candidates we are so accustomed to.
They may have something to smile about, most of us do not!
Great format, but honesty shines through in any format.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)they feel he killed it too and that she was vague and unconvincing.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)scientific, like all the donors, also unscientific, they are all mad because Hillary wasn't on Tweetie's show. That's why I donated to Bernie, because Hillary didn't go on Tweetie's show.
That's a brilliant analysis of why so many unscientific people said Bernie won the debate AND the forum last night. They're all angry about Tweetie's Show.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)that isn't a scientific poll that is kickin Bernie's butt.
moobu2
(4,822 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Democracy is for sale?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Head and shoulders above the rest. No doubt.
He seemed relaxed. His sense of humor was turned on tonight - he DOES, really DOES have a sense of humor and he passionately made his case for why he is the best person to run this country.
Pointing out that Repubs are political cowards for suppressing votes just to win, really hit a nerve. A Constitutional Amendment will be needed to stop their election thievery!
Talking about his grand-kids being the joy of his life was so sweet. A rare personal moment. He was 'on' tonight and it showed.
Game on!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)and energetic about getting this country out of the hands of the powerful entitites that are destroying this country.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)A good, Progressive Congress will serve a good Progressive President well. And it will also stop any President who is not representative of the people of this country.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)There is a lot to be grumpy about in this country.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Jeez, the guy can't even catch a cold.
Then again, maybe he was googled more than HRC, which was why it was left out.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)I had to do it for the last 24 hours because the options are last 1 hr, last 4 hrs and last 24 but it gives you the idea. I just did it a few minutes ago
Here's the link https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=Bernie%20Sanders%2C%20Hillary%20Clinton%2C%20Martin%20OMalley&geo=US&date=now%201-d&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT%2B6
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)That's because telling the local countries to fight their own damn battles doesn't give Tweety a wargasm.
delrem
(9,688 posts)This this is all one big post 9/11 war and the US hasn't tried to stop it at any point.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)c588415
(285 posts)He hates the Clinton's. I can recall how nasty he treated his guest who supported Clinton back during the 2008 primary. And so what if Sanders won tonight. RealClearPolitics.com "poll of polls," shows Clinton with a huge lead over him nationally.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)That's it? What do you mean that's it?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)more than $3 Milllion in small donations. The ONLY people who said Hillary won were the Corporate Media. Whose lobbyists work for Hillary. There is no doubt that Bernie won that debate.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)c588415
(285 posts)National poll numbers doubled ahead of his 3 days later?
With all due respect, you Sanders supporters are beatin a dead horse. My candidate Hillary R Clinton owns. After all, she is the chosen one, and is going to win it all
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)Best line I've heard all day. Thanks....
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)determine the winner by some sort of scientific osmosis.
People who watch then vote are 'unscientific'. And forget about people who donate money or participate in focus groups or media polls, all unscientific. Which is why the corporate media deletes its own polls!
But just so you are not confused in the future all of the above currently unscientific markers as to who won, would become scientfic IF the winner is determined NOT to be Sanders!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Enough said.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Last edited Sat Nov 7, 2015, 05:58 PM - Edit history (1)
this!
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)aspirant
(3,533 posts)You polish a trophy, your car, a table top etc, these are things not human beings.
Shiny on the outside and soulless on the inside, that's what things are.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)HRC is well polished though.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Actually, I don't find him grumpy at all...I find him dead serious about the hole that America now finds itself (at least the 99%) in.
If he's grumpy...I'm happy to take it!
Thanks Sabrina!
Oh,
Go Bernie!
Go Berners!
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)When people see that they have a choice, and learn about Sanders, it becomes a bad situation for the establishment's candidate.
This wasn't supposed to be a real race. The Clinton campaign was originally arrayed so as to to campaign against the Republican candidate (stay to the left of him while looking deadly on foreign policy). Having to actually sell all of that campaign's positions to a motivated, and aware, Democratic primary electorate is another matter. Secretary Clinton actually felt compelled to misquote herself regarding the TPP just to not have an awkward moment in the first debate. That came with a cost. Play the clip - throw up the actual quote.
And the Obama administration did work to overcome the Progressives/environmentalists issues with the TPP in the time since Secretary Clinton left office. It's arguably less crappy (though still wrong for our country, and the world) in its current form than was the nearly finished product she was pitching. I can't imagine the administration letting themselves be the fall guys in Secretary Clinton's narrative of events, or characterization of its current form. And the press will play that angle up.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)over the entire process, shows just how out of touch they are with ordinary people. So hermetically sealed in the small bubble occupied by the wealthy now, they are absolutely convinced that outside that bubble the masses have been suitably propagandized by the media they own and are, to quote one of their main excuses for a 'journalist', Chuck Todd, 'puzzled' by Bernie's incredible success.
In a way I am glad they are so 'out of it' because they were not prepared, that is how arrogant they are.
But now they are scared, which is why we are seeing all the Paid-For talking points, and we didn't need the 'confession' to recognize them, because their plans have been turned upside down, temporarily anyhow.
And they should be. The people are very ANGRY and several times now over the past number of years they have been warned. OWS, two midterms and now Bernie.
I don't underestimate the power they have to defeat the people in this election, but they can't stop the momentum as more and more people wake up to what is going on and who is responsible.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)I was shaking my head "yep" to just about everything he said.
Point of correction though, they were discussing a specific attribute of the candidates, I think personal likability, when he said this.
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)All ranked Bernie #1, the majority ranked MOM #2, and Hillary was a distant third. In fact, there were no #1 votes for her and the general discussion was that she was disliked...intensely by some.
Yes, Bernie won...but miles and miles, but the "libral" MSM is not gotta put out the truth!
Edit for typo
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)across as so insincere.
Bernie is real and that comes across and can't be imitated. It just is who he is.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)a delight to behold, maybe especially because he's a little grumpy about all the right things.
GO BERNIE. LOVE YOU!!
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)just because Hillarians largely concede that even DU is predominately Bernified, that doesn't really mean anything either.
Of course grumpy is good, and let's hope it is a prelude to the creation/formation of a collective "Network Moment" directed at the powers that be.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)It doesn't show which candidate more people plan to vote for, though.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)Bernie is it.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)tens of thousands of 'unscientific' donors who presented his campaign with over $3 million dollars as the prize for his victory.
He won every focus group opinion, every Media generated poll of actual VIEWERS, all indicators that can be used to judge the winner.
But the Corp Media deleting their own polls, were alone in declaring him the winner. And of course the 'scientific' polls that asked 71% of people who did not see the debate, probably never heard of Sanders, who won.
Othere than that, Chris Mathews was vastly in the majority re the first debate.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)if its too close to your bedtime