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Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 03:20 PM Nov 2015

Hillary Clinton still wouldn't give up on training Syrian rebels

CBS NEWS September 22, 2015, 12:01 AM
Hillary Clinton still wouldn't give up on training Syrian rebels

As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton advocated early on for training and equipping moderate Syrian rebels to help fight Bashar al-Assad's regime in Syria. At that time, near the end of summer 2012, the president disagreed with her, only to authorize the program two years later after she had left office.
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Clinton wrote extensively about her advocacy for a train-and-equip program in her 2014 memoir, "Hard Choices."
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-history-with-arming-syrian-rebels/



"There are real risks to such an approach," she said in the book, citing the Afghan rebels the U.S., Saudi Arabia and Pakistan armed during the Soviet-Afghan War in the 1980s who later formed al Qaeda.

"But if rebels could be vetted and trained effectively, it would be helpful in a number of ways. First, even a relatively small group might be able to give a big psychological boost to the opposition and convince Assad's backers to consider a political solution," she wrote.

Clinton argued that the U.S. was sacrificing the chance to bring order to the flow of weapons coming to Syria from various Arab states. Those weapons often went to competing armed groups or found their way into the hands of extremists.

The key, she said, was "vetting the rebel fighters to ensure we first weeded out the extremists."
more: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-history-with-arming-syrian-rebels/

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Hillary Clinton still wouldn't give up on training Syrian rebels (Original Post) Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 OP
It Is Increasingly Clear That HRC Must Withdraw From The 2016 Election For Her Role As A Neocon cantbeserious Nov 2015 #1
Can't be serious, indeed. Metric System Nov 2015 #2
HRC Voted For The Neocon Dream Of Exporting Democracy - She Is Accountable For ISIS cantbeserious Nov 2015 #3
So did every Democrat. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #6
No. Every Democrat did NOT vote for the preemptive Iraq war. 147 Dems did not vote for the war. think Nov 2015 #13
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #4
With that logic... JaneyVee Nov 2015 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #8
Different Clinton. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #11
She didn't vote for it, but... JaneyVee Nov 2015 #12
the homeless who freeze to death might beg to differ questionseverything Nov 2015 #14
Clinton created 25 Million jobs and had unemployment at 3.8% JaneyVee Nov 2015 #16
but now we have a bad economy and the same bad law in place questionseverything Nov 2015 #20
Reality check. Poverty DROPPED in the decade after welfare reform. nt. Persondem Nov 2015 #21
Yes - HRC - Another Neocon Version Of Dubya - Different Stripes - Same Corporate Backers cantbeserious Nov 2015 #17
I just read an article about Bernie saying... JaneyVee Nov 2015 #5
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #9
SA has no where near the 4th largest military in the world. Persondem Nov 2015 #22
but she said we'd weed out the extremists first! MisterP Nov 2015 #15
Maybe - She Will Just Tell ISIS - Stop Doing That cantbeserious Nov 2015 #18
mujahideen redux UglyGreed Nov 2015 #19

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
3. HRC Voted For The Neocon Dream Of Exporting Democracy - She Is Accountable For ISIS
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 03:28 PM
Nov 2015

Better she withdraw with dignity than have her shame exposed.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
13. No. Every Democrat did NOT vote for the preemptive Iraq war. 147 Dems did not vote for the war.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 03:52 PM
Nov 2015
Iraq War Vote in 2002: 156 Congress Members Who Voted NO
Names of the 23 Senators and 133 House Members

By Deborah White
Liberal Politics Expert


In the Senate, the 21 Democrats, one Republican and one Independent who courageously voted their consciences in 2002 against the War in Iraq were:

* Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii)
* Jeff Bingaman (D-New Mexico)
* Barbara Boxer (D-California)
* Robert Byrd (D-West Virginia)
* Lincoln Chaffee (R-Rhode Island)
* Kent Conrad (D-North Dakota)
* Jon Corzine (D-New Jersey)
* Mark Dayton (D-Minnesota)
* Dick Durbin (D-Illinois)
* Russ Feingold (D-Wisconsin)
* Bob Graham (D-Florida)
* Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii)
* Jim Jeffords (I-Vermont)
* Ted Kennedy (D-Massachusetts)
* Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont)
* Carl Levin (D-Michigan)
* Barbara Mikulski (D-Maryland)
* Patty Murray (D-Washington)
* Jack Reed (D-Rhode Island)
* Paul Sarbanes (D-Maryland)
* Debbie Stabenow (D-Michigan)
* The late Paul Wellstone (D-Minnesota)
* Ron Wyden (D-Oregon)

~Snip~

Six House Republicans and one independent joined 126 Democratic members of the House of Representatives in voting NAY, on October 11, 2002, to the unprovoked use of force against Iraq:

Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii) Tom Allen (D-Maine) Joe Baca (D-California) Brian Baird (D-Washington) John Baldacci (D-Maine, now governor of Maine) Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisconsin) Gresham Barrett (R-South Carolina) Xavier Becerra (D-California) Earl Blumenauer (D-Oregon) David Bonior (D-Michigan, retired from office) Robert Brady (D-Pennsylvania) Corinne Brown (D-Florida) Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio)

Lois Capps (D-California) Michael Capuano (D-Massachusetts) Benjamin Cardin (D-Maryland) Julia Carson (D-Indiana) William Clay, Jr. (D-Missouri) Eva Clayton (D-North Carolina, retired from office) James Clyburn (D-South Carolina) Gary Condit (D-California, retired from office) John Conyers, Jr. (D-Michigan) Jerry Costello (D-Illinois) William Coyne (D-Pennsylvania, retired from office) Elijah Cummings (D-Maryland)

Susan Davis (D-California) Danny Davis (D-Illinois) Peter DeFazio (D-Oregon) Diana DeGette (D-Colorado) Bill Delahunt (D-Massachusetts) Rosa DeLauro (D-Connecticut) John Dingell (D-Michigan) Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas) Mike Doyle (D-Pennsylvania) John Duncan, Jr. (R-Tennessee)

Anna Eshoo (D-California) Lane Evans (D-Illinois) Sam Farr (D-California) Chaka Fattah (D-Pennsylvania) Bob Filner (D-California) Barney Frank (D-Massachusetts) Charles Gonzalez (D-Texas) Luis Gutierrez (D-Illinois)

Alice Hastings (D-Florida) Earl Hilliard (D-Alabama, retired from office) Maurice Hinchey (D-New York) Ruben Hinojosa (D-Texas) Rush Holt (D-New Jersey) Mike Honda (D-California) Darlene Hooley (D-Oregon) John Hostettler (R-Indiana) Amo Houghton (R-New York, retired from office) Jay Inslee (D-Washington)

Continued list of 133 members of the US House of Representatives who voted, on October 11, 2002, against the unprovoked use of force against Iraq
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Jesse Jackson, Jr. (D-Illinois) Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-Texas) Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Texas) Stephanie Tubbs Jones (D-Ohio) Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio) Dale Kildee (D-Michigan) Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick (D-Michigan) Jerry Kleczka (D-Wisconsin, retired from office) Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio)

John LaFalce (D-New York) James Langevin (D-Rhode Island) Rick Larsen (D-Washington) John Larson (D-Connecticut) Jim Leach (R-Iowa) Barbara Lee (D-California) Sandy Levin (D-Michigan) John Lewis (D-Georgia) Bill Lipinski (D-Illinois,retired from office) Zoe Lofgren (D-California)

James Maloney (D-Connecticut, retired from office) The late Robert Matsui (D-California) Karen McCarthy (D-Missouri, retired from office) Betty McCollum (D-Minnesota) Jim McDermott-D-Washington) Jim McGovern (D-Massachusetts) Cynthia McKinney (D-Georgia) Carrie Meek (D-Florida, retired from office) Gregory Meeks (D-New York) Robert Menendez (D-New Jersey) Juanita Millender-McDonald (D-California) George Miller (D-California) Alan Mollohan (D-West Virginia) Jim Moran (D-Virginia) Connie Morella (D-Maryland)

Jerrold Nadler (D-New York) Grace Napolitano (D-California) Richard Neal (D-Massachusetts) Jim Oberstar (D-Minnesota) David Obey (D-Wisconsin) John Olver (D-Massachusetts) Major Owens (D-New York)

Frank Pallone, Jr. (D-New Jersey) Ed Pastor (D-Arizona) Ron Paul (R-Texas) Donald Payne (D-New Jersey) Nancy Pelosi (D-California) David Price (D-North Carolina) Nick Rahall (D-West Virginia) Charles Rangel (D-New York) Silvestre Reyes (D-Texas) Lynn Rivers (D-Michigan, retired from office) Ciro Rodriguez (D-Texas, retired from office) Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-California) Bobby Rush (D-Illinois)

Martin Olav Sabo (D-Minnesota) Loretta Sanchez (D-California) Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) Thomas Sawyer (D-Ohio) Jan Schakowsky (D-Illinois) Bobby Scott (D-Virginia) Jose Serrano (D-New York) Louise Slaughter (D-New York) Vic Snyder (D-Arkansas) Hilda Solis (D-California) Pete Stark (D-California) Ted Strickland (D-Ohio) Burt Stupak (Michigan)

Mike Thompson (D-California) Bennie Thompson (D-Mississippi) John Tierney (D-Massachusetts) Edolphus Towns (D-New York) Mark Udall (D-Colorado) Tom Udall (D-New Mexico)

Nydia Velaquez (D-New York) Pete Visclosky (D-Indiana) Maxine Waters (D-California) Diane Watson (D-California) Melvin Watt (D-North Carolina) Lynn Woolsey (D-California) David Wu (D-Oregon)

http://usliberals.about.com/od/liberalleadership/a/IraqNayVote_3.htm

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JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
7. With that logic...
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 03:32 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie is complicit for every gun death in America since 1992. Hyperbole is fun!

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JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
12. She didn't vote for it, but...
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 03:52 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie did vote to expand death penalty and incarcerations by voting yes on 1994 crime bill and did vote for more gun deaths by voting yes on NRA legislation.

questionseverything

(9,655 posts)
14. the homeless who freeze to death might beg to differ
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 03:54 PM
Nov 2015

1 out of 5 Americans will go to bed hungry tonight because of welfare "reform"

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
16. Clinton created 25 Million jobs and had unemployment at 3.8%
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 03:59 PM
Nov 2015

Homelessness was nearly at its lowest point in history under Clinton.

questionseverything

(9,655 posts)
20. but now we have a bad economy and the same bad law in place
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 04:18 PM
Nov 2015

thanks to nafta and the wto the economy will never be what it was

sometimes it takes decades for a bad law's consequences to show

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