Des Moines Register: Paris attacks likely ‘a game changer’ in Democratic race

[riversedge]

All eyes on the debate tonight.



http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2015/11/14/paris-attacks-likely-game-changer-democratic-race/75774712/


Paris attacks likely ‘a game changer’ in Democratic race


Jennifer Jacobs, [e-mail] 11:17 a.m. CST November 14, 2015



Squeamishness about Bernie Sanders' foreign policy savvy — and greater confidence in Hillary Clinton’s experience — could play a role in redefining the Democratic presidential race in the wake of the terrorist attacks in Paris, Iowa voters and politics watchers say.

National security may not be the decisive issue for Iowa Democratic caucusgoers, but “it will move people — and those that are moved will support Clinton,” said Democratic strategist Chris Kofinis, whose company, Park Street Strategies, conducted a focus group in Des Moines Friday night.

All 31 undecided Democratic likely caucusgoers in the focus group, conducted just hours after news emerged about the mass violence in Paris, think Sanders is the candidate who has had the stronger message so far.

But nearly all see Clinton winning the Iowa caucuses and nomination.


.................... They consider the third debate participant, Martin O’Malley, to be a non-factor.


The world’s attention shifted to Paris Friday...............

“The Paris massacre is a game changer for the Iowa caucuses and the 2016 U.S. presidential elections,” Iowa politics watcher Steffen Schmidt, a political science professor at Iowa State University, wrote in a blog post Saturday morning. “(Republican presidential candidate) Rand Paul is finished. So is Bernie Sanders. The priorities have just totally changed.”...................

[cantbeserious]

1. It Is Increasingly Clear That HRC Must Withdraw From The 2016 Election For Her Role As A Neocon

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[DanTex]

2. LOL. She "must"!

[JaneyVee]

5. Authoritarians gonna authoritarian.

[riversedge]

6. Some folks like to lecture.

[cantbeserious]

7. HRC Voted For The Neocon Dream Of Exporting Democracy - She Is Accountable For ISIS

Better she withdraw with dignity than have her shame exposed.

[ismnotwasm]

15. Is your keyboard stuck?

[cantbeserious]

16. Ones Keyboard Is Working Fine - Thank You For Your Concern

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[MohRokTah]

19. And again...

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28. Ridicule - The First Sign Of Nothing Better To Say

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[MohRokTah]

18. That's 100 ROFLs level of hilarity.

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25. Ridicule - The First Sign Of Nothing Better To Say

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[MohRokTah]

26. LAughing uncontrollably - The First sign that what was said was ridiculous

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27. Ridicule - The First Sign Of Nothing Better To Say

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[MohRokTah]

29. And you just keep CRACKING ME UP!!!!!

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30. Ridicule - The First Sign Of Nothing Better To Say

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[brooklynite]

38. ...and that Joe Biden must resign as Vice President?

[Metric System]

41. And John Kerry as Secretary of State? Hell, we won't have any high-profile Dems left.

[zappaman]

39. Ok. n/t

[BootinUp]

4. k&r

[Bread and Circus]

8. It seems to me Clinton bears some culpability for what is going on over there due to...

her IWR vote as well as her tenure as Secretary of State.

To a logical person, I am not sure how this will help her.

[AgingAmerican]

11. They have themselves convinced America wants and needs another war

And that more war will somehow help Hillary.

[riversedge]

12. Who is this 'they' you are referring to??

[Bread and Circus]

17. Who do you think?

[emulatorloo]

13. Giving Bush/Cheney a pass is a non-starter for GOTV efforts for Bernie

if our goal is to convince undecideds and soft HRC supporters to switch their votes to Bernie. Eyes on the prize.

[Bread and Circus]

21. My goal is not to try to switch votes. My goal is to adhere to the truth. People can decide who...

to vote for themselves.

By the way, I put a thread up not too long ago about how many people have actually switched votes as a result of our discussion on DU.

The response was very very few to almost NONE.

This is not suprising to me.

I appreciate your enthusiasm for the politics of the situation however. Don't give up.

[emulatorloo]

40. Understood about DU. I am talking about knocking doors for Bernie.

Yeah DU'ers are hardcore. Everybody has their mind made up here.

I was more referring to GOTV phone calls and door knocking.

Appreciate the good words of encouragement

[MohRokTah]

20. .

[Bread and Circus]

22. I am putting you on ignore for a variety of reasons.

I cannot remember the last time you posted anything of merit.

Additionally, you use that smiley way too much.

[MohRokTah]

23. Puting me on ignore is also 100 ROFLs of hilarity.

[RKP5637]

9. They all are surely spinning right now on how they're going to handle this one tonight. n/t

[AgingAmerican]

10. They are all neocons now

[msongs]

14. america's gun owners murder thousands each year. is that a game changer? no because 2A nt

[riderinthestorm]

24. HRC has known whose been funding ISIS and has done nothing

Shes going to be exposed as complicit.

The best way to stop ISIS is to cut off the funding but it's coming from inconvenient "allies" like the Saudis and the Gulf States

Tonight I'll be watching for the candidate that vows to starve the beast. I'll bet it's not Clinton.

These are a few things that will not solve the terrible and tangled web of causation and violence in which the attacks of Friday night were spawned. A 242-ship Navy will not stop one motivated murderous fanatic from emptying the clip of an AK-47 into the windows of a crowded restaurant. The F-35 fighter plane will not stop a group of motivated murderous fanatics from detonating bombs at a soccer match. A missile-defense shield in Poland will not stop a platoon of motivated murderous fanatics from opening up in a jammed concert hall, or taking hostages, or taking themselves out with suicide belts when the police break down the doors. American soldiers dying in the sands of Syria or Iraq will not stop the events like what happened in Paris from happening again because American soldiers dying in the sands of Syria or Iraq will be dying there in combat against only the most obvious physical manifestation of a deeper complex of ancient causes and ancient effects made worse by the reach of the modern technology of bloodshed and murder. Nobody's death is ever sacrifice enough for that.

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Abandoning the Enlightenment values that produced democracy will not plumb the depths of the vestigial authoritarian impulse that resides in us all, the wish for kings, the desire for order, to be governed, and not to govern. Flexing and posturing and empty venting will not cure the deep sickness in the human spirit that leads people to slaughter the innocent in the middle of a weekend's laughter. The expression of bigotry and hatred will not solve the deep desperation in the human heart that leads people to kill their fellow human beings and then blow themselves up as a final act of murderous vengeance against those they perceive to be their enemies, seen and unseen, real and imagined. Tough talk in the context of what happened in Paris is as empty as a bell rung at the bottom of a well.

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It's not like this is any kind of secret. In 2010, thanks to WikiLeaks, we learned that the State Department, under the direction of then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, knew full well where the money for foreign terrorism came from. It came from countries and not from a faith. It came from sovereign states and not from an organized religion. It came from politicians and dictators, not from clerics, at least not directly. It was paid to maintain a political and social order, not to promulgate a religious revival or to launch a religious war. Religion was the fuel, the ammonium nitrate and the diesel fuel. Authoritarian oligarchy built the bomb. As long as people are dying in Paris, nobody important is dying in Doha or Riyadh.

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It's time for this to stop. It's time to be pitiless against the bankers and against the people who invest in murder to assure their own survival in power. Assets from these states should be frozen, all over the west. Money trails should be followed, wherever they lead. People should go to jail, in every country in the world. It should be done state-to-state. Stop funding the murder of our citizens and you can have your money back. Maybe. If we're satisfied that you'll stop doing it. And, it goes without saying, but we'll say it anyway – not another bullet will be sold to you, let alone advanced warplanes, until this act gets cleaned up to our satisfaction. If that endangers your political position back home, that's your problem, not ours. You are no longer trusted allies. Complain, and your diplomats will be going home. Complain more loudly, and your diplomats will be investigated and, if necessary, detained. Retaliate, and you do not want to know what will happen, but it will done with cold, reasoned and, yes, pitiless calculation. It will not be a blind punch. You will not see it coming. It will not be an attack on your faith. It will be an attack on how you conduct your business as sovereign states in a world full of sovereign states.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a39727/paris-attacks-middle-eastern-oligarchies/

[GoneFishin]

31. Sure. Because that funding buys billions in weapons, and weapons manufacturers are special.

[mmonk]

32. Way more special than people.

[artislife]

34. Yup

I don't know what is scarier..listening to the right rattle their sabers or h supporters.

[Dems to Win]

35. I hope Bernie / Martin Nail HRC to the wall over her IWR vote tonight

Of ALL the members of the Senate in 2002, Hillary should have known Bush was peddling a pack of lies.

Hillary was 'co-president' from 1993-2000, when the US bombed Iraq weekly or monthly to enforce the no-fly zones enacted after the first Iraq War. The Clinton White House enforced crippling sanctions on Iraq the whole time. It made not a bit of sense that Iraq had an active weapons of mass destruction program when the country couldn't even get spare parts to repair their sewage treatment plants. Never for an instant did I, and the millions marching against the war, believe Iraq could possibly be a danger to the US after the destruction of the First Iraq War and subsequent bombings and sanctions.

It never made a bit of sense that secular Saddam, known for brutally repressing the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood, had anything to do with Al Qeada and 9/11. Not for a single moment did I, or the millions of others marching in the streets, believe Saddam had anything to do with 9/11. Hillary should have known this, too.

If she is smart and competent and the co-president during her husband's term, she would have been leading the charge for NO votes on the IWR. Instead, she voted yes and authorized the epic travesty of the Iraq War and all that followed, the biggest mistake the US has made during my lifetime.

Without the Iraq War, there would have been no Al Queda in Iraq, no ISIS, no Paris attacks.

I hope Bernie and Martin bluntly point out her poor judgement and the tragic consequences of that poor decision tonight.

[restorefreedom]

36. not just the dem race

but the gop and the ge as well

[Rosa Luxemburg]

37. Baloney

Hillary has a lot to answer for