Democratic Voters Trust Hillary Clinton Over Bernie Sanders in International Crisis

[JaneyVee]

More than half of Democratic voters -- 53 percent -- said they are "very confident" in the former secretary of state's ability to lead in a foreign affairs crisis, according to a national CBS/NYT poll released Thursday. But only 16 percent say the same of Bernie Sanders.

Also, 27 percent say they are "not too confident" or "not at all confident" in Sanders, while only 17 percent say the same of Clinton. Clinton continues to hold a broad lead nationally.

Link: http://mmc-news.com/news-democratic-voters-trust-hillary-clinton-over-bernie-sanders-in-international-crisis-323073.dbv

[HerbChestnut]

1. She projects "strength", which is what people want to hear when it comes to situations like this.

Unfortunately, "strength" is what gets us into these messes to begin with. I'd much rather have someone making decisions that isn't willing to get our military involved in every overseas conflict.

[Hepburn]

90. Agree

Real "strength" to follow BushCo right off the cliff.

[BootinUp]

2. No surprise here. nt

[AgingAmerican]

3. War! War! War!

nt

[JaneyVee]

4. And diplomacy! diplomacy! diplomacy!

[riversedge]

5. Yes, Hillary will say that a lot tonight. Yes...she...Will....

...... CBS News is focusing the second Democratic debate on national security and terrorism in light of the attacks, putting Clinton's international affairs experience as Secretary of State front and center.

"Last night's attacks are a tragic example of the kind of challenges American Presidents face in today's world and we intend to ask the candidates how they would confront the evolving threat of terrorism," CBS News Washington Bureau Chief Christopher Isham told reporters in the debate hall at Des Moines' Drake University. ......

[ismnotwasm]

24. People who disparage Hillary's record as SoS

Generally don't know what they are talking about. Or even know what a Sercretaty of State is without using Google.

There are certainly point to criticize, but the hyperbole just makes me sleepy.

[Duckhunter935]

54. Watch out for those snipers

[upaloopa]

70. That's all you got that and a smilie?

[Duckhunter935]

72. and all you have is a childish

sig line. OK

[bravenak]

95. I like yr sigline.

[Doitnow]

84. And Bernie can

point out that he has been with the right votes when it counted. Not so, Hilary. Let them try to hound Bernie on international affairs. Heaven knows the media doesn't give him 10 cents worth of time compared to Hilary to get his message across. Using the military to take other nations' resources and then using the military to mop up the problems that ensue makes no sense. Somebody is profiting by this at others' expense. Wake up, folks, and realize who is really the right person to run this country.

[bvf]

15. Yeah, right.

[lewebley3]

30. Hillary: Go, Go

[Plucketeer]

86. Yeah - go with the $33K dinners

Go with the $200K speaking engagements - then tell your faithful that twelve bucks an hour is all they really need. Tell 'em how great Obamacare is so your health Ins. pals feel included. Hillary Clinton - working to get our Citizens United!

[Persondem]

6. Of Course. CLinton has been standing up to bullies both

foreign and domestic for decades. Nice post. K & R

[JonLeibowitz]

8. Iraq was bullying us?

Does that explain why she voted for IWR? And how does it explain her perspective on Iraq as a business opportunity?

[lewebley3]

36. Wrong: Hillary and Bill chose different path with Irai

[pnwmom]

55. She voted for the IWR that allowed Bush to enforce the UN resolutions.

He ignored the conditions about the UN resolutions and went to war anyway.

[oasis]

94. Those are the facts the anti-Hills will never admit.

Bush who? Hillary was the mastermind of the invasion.

[Persondem]

56. A bully doesn't have to bully the US to be a bully.

Kind of a narrow interpretation of my previous comment. And I really don't give the first shit about IWR in the context of this election. It wasn't that big a deal in 2004.

So now you get to go "blah-blah you heartless neocon blahty-blah blah blah third way blah-blah DLC-er blah blah".

Go ahead, have at it. I'm done here.

[JonLeibowitz]

58. No I'm not going to do anything like that...

We have major disagreements on what is important in evaluating our candidates. That's to be expected.

Have a good day.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. She has the flag waving and tough talk act down pat.

All that's missing is the smirk and cowboy boots.

[MissDeeds]

20. Absolutely spot on

[ismnotwasm]

26. I'm assuming you are referring to president Bush

For comparison purposes?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

29. Yes.

[tecelote]

28. Great response!

[2pooped2pop]

73. on noes! She has spent so much time

Practicing that fake wide open "I'm such a fun and happy person" grin that she hasn't had time to master the smirk.

[UglyGreed]

9. Yeah very trustworthy

http://www.globalresearch.ca/provoke-an-attack-on-iran-lets-bring-it-on-at-the-end-of-the-day-we-ought-to-take-em-out/5307044

[lewebley3]

32. Agreed Hillary is very well trusted

[UglyGreed]

34. and that's the problem

glad you enjoyed the link in my comment.....

[SidDithers]

37. globalresearch. LOL...nt

Sid

[UglyGreed]

43. Watch the Video

Sid it's not a Global Research Hillary puppet, that's her in the video. BTW that was only place where the video did not have subtitles. But of course you choose to deflect from Hillary's lust for war. It's Ok I understand why

[SidDithers]

69. What, did Alex Jones have nothing to offer on the topic?...nt

Sid

[UglyGreed]

67. Hit and run

[RoccoR5955]

10. Yeah, but Conservatives trust Bernie more

and what are we trying to achieve, a win in the general, or just the primary.
Conservatives like Bernie more than Hillary, and conservatives are going to vote in the general, which is what matters. Plain and simple.

[SunSeeker]

11. Yeah, conservatives trust Bernie to lose if he is nominated. nt

[RoccoR5955]

13. Not the ones I speak to

They think that the current crop of RepubliCON candidates are nothing but garbage. They all tell me that they would rather have Bernie as president because of his honesty over the course of time, and it's high time that we had this in the US!

[SunSeeker]

18. Cool story, bro. nt

[onenote]

12. which conservatives?

I'm a Bernie supporter, but i'm not so blind in my support to think that conservatives that oppose immigration reform, that want to close our borders and bomb targets indiscriminately, that want to give tax breaks to the wealth, that oppose same sex marriage and support Citizens United, that support laws that make it harder for women to get abortions and minorities and the poor to vote -- are going to support Bernie in the GE - not a single one of them.

So exactly who are these "conservatives" that you think are going to rally to Bernie in the GE

[RoccoR5955]

14. They may not rally.

But they will vote for him. They all think that the current crop of RepubliCON wannabes are nothing more than a bunch of lying idiots!

[onenote]

17. Dreamer.

True conservatives actually support the positions advocated by the current repub field.

The idea that they'd cast a vote for someone who stands for everything they oppose is pure fantasy.

[RoccoR5955]

93. Oh yeah

Tell that to the elected officials (Republicans) who I deal with EVERY DAY!
No dream here, real life!

[artislife]

16. She is very practiced in war

That is not an endorsement.

[JaneyVee]

19. Just like every President before.

[artislife]

21. I don't think Obama or Carter were

Just off the top of my head. But yes Bush Sr was very practiced. Like minds.

[JaneyVee]

23. Name a President who didn't go to war.

[artislife]

27. I am talking before they were elected

Even you must remember that she has only had one elected office or has that back history changed too.

[JaneyVee]

31. Most Presidents served in combat.

[TM99]

45. Well, then Clinton has it sewn up.

She 'almost' joined the Marines and she survived sniper fire in Bosnia!

[artislife]

50. Thank the world for you!

[TM99]

53. Thanks!

[ismnotwasm]

22. As they should

Now, republicans-they don't trust Hillary, not even a little bit.

[riderinthestorm]

25. They shouldn't. HRC is complicit in turning a blind eye to ISIS funding

Amongst her other foreign policy disasters.... Her cowardice in not confronting the Saudis or the other Gulf States sponsoring terror is known.

These are a few things that will not solve the terrible and tangled web of causation and violence in which the attacks of Friday night were spawned. A 242-ship Navy will not stop one motivated murderous fanatic from emptying the clip of an AK-47 into the windows of a crowded restaurant. The F-35 fighter plane will not stop a group of motivated murderous fanatics from detonating bombs at a soccer match. A missile-defense shield in Poland will not stop a platoon of motivated murderous fanatics from opening up in a jammed concert hall, or taking hostages, or taking themselves out with suicide belts when the police break down the doors. American soldiers dying in the sands of Syria or Iraq will not stop the events like what happened in Paris from happening again because American soldiers dying in the sands of Syria or Iraq will be dying there in combat against only the most obvious physical manifestation of a deeper complex of ancient causes and ancient effects made worse by the reach of the modern technology of bloodshed and murder. Nobody's death is ever sacrifice enough for that.

...

Abandoning the Enlightenment values that produced democracy will not plumb the depths of the vestigial authoritarian impulse that resides in us all, the wish for kings, the desire for order, to be governed, and not to govern. Flexing and posturing and empty venting will not cure the deep sickness in the human spirit that leads people to slaughter the innocent in the middle of a weekend's laughter. The expression of bigotry and hatred will not solve the deep desperation in the human heart that leads people to kill their fellow human beings and then blow themselves up as a final act of murderous vengeance against those they perceive to be their enemies, seen and unseen, real and imagined. Tough talk in the context of what happened in Paris is as empty as a bell rung at the bottom of a well.

...

It's not like this is any kind of secret. In 2010, thanks to WikiLeaks, we learned that the State Department, under the direction of then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, knew full well where the money for foreign terrorism came from. It came from countries and not from a faith. It came from sovereign states and not from an organized religion. It came from politicians and dictators, not from clerics, at least not directly. It was paid to maintain a political and social order, not to promulgate a religious revival or to launch a religious war. Religion was the fuel, the ammonium nitrate and the diesel fuel. Authoritarian oligarchy built the bomb. As long as people are dying in Paris, nobody important is dying in Doha or Riyadh.

...

It's time for this to stop. It's time to be pitiless against the bankers and against the people who invest in murder to assure their own survival in power. Assets from these states should be frozen, all over the west. Money trails should be followed, wherever they lead. People should go to jail, in every country in the world. It should be done state-to-state. Stop funding the murder of our citizens and you can have your money back. Maybe. If we're satisfied that you'll stop doing it. And, it goes without saying, but we'll say it anyway – not another bullet will be sold to you, let alone advanced warplanes, until this act gets cleaned up to our satisfaction. If that endangers your political position back home, that's your problem, not ours. You are no longer trusted allies. Complain, and your diplomats will be going home. Complain more loudly, and your diplomats will be investigated and, if necessary, detained. Retaliate, and you do not want to know what will happen, but it will done with cold, reasoned and, yes, pitiless calculation. It will not be a blind punch. You will not see it coming. It will not be an attack on your faith. It will be an attack on how you conduct your business as sovereign states in a world full of sovereign states.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a39727/paris-attacks-middle-eastern-oligarchies/

[ismnotwasm]

35. ...

Saudi Arabia is the world's largest source of funds for Islamist militant groups such as the Afghan Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba – but the Saudi government is reluctant to stem the flow of money, according to Hillary Clinton. "More needs to be done since Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups," says a secret December 2009 paper signed by the US secretary of state. Her memo urged US diplomats to redouble their efforts to stop Gulf money reaching extremists in Pakistan and Afghanistan. "Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide," she said. Three other Arab countries are listed as sources of militant money: Qatar, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates. The cables highlight an often ignored factor in the Pakistani and Afghan conflicts: that the violence is partly bankrolled by rich, conservative donors across the Arabian Sea whose governments do little to stop them. The problem is particularly acute in Saudi Arabia, where militants soliciting funds slip into the country disguised as holy pilgrims, set up front companies to launder funds and receive money from government-sanctioned charities.

Your point?

[riderinthestorm]

47. Freeze their assets

Hard to take the hard line on "allies" but the dynamic has changed. US military involvement is a proven foreign policy disaster in the ME.

It's time for this to stop. It's time to be pitiless against the bankers and against the people who invest in murder to assure their own survival in power. Assets from these states should be frozen, all over the west. Money trails should be followed, wherever they lead. People should go to jail, in every country in the world. It should be done state-to-state. Stop funding the murder of our citizens and you can have your money back. Maybe. If we're satisfied that you'll stop doing it. And, it goes without saying, but we'll say it anyway – not another bullet will be sold to you, let alone advanced warplanes, until this act gets cleaned up to our satisfaction. If that endangers your political position back home, that's your problem, not ours. You are no longer trusted allies. Complain, and your diplomats will be going home. Complain more loudly, and your diplomats will be investigated and, if necessary, detained. Retaliate, and you do not want to know what will happen, but it will done with cold, reasoned and, yes, pitiless calculation. It will not be a blind punch. You will not see it coming. It will not be an attack on your faith. It will be an attack on how you conduct your business as sovereign states in a world full of sovereign states.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a39727/paris-attacks-middle-eastern-oligarchies/

[ismnotwasm]

68. Who should do this?

Saudi Arabia? An international court or tribunal seems more likely

[riderinthestorm]

74. I'd propose a coalition of our Five Eyes partners set up a criminal investigation team.

Specifically set up to hunt down the money trails and coordinate the necessary actions to stop the money flow between the Five Eyes and NATO partners.

[JaneyVee]

38. Please, more apologist BS.

Yes, we can rid the world of ISIS and help innocent civilians regain control of their countries.

[riderinthestorm]

60. Stopping the money would be 100% effective in shutting down ISIS

Im not sure why anyone would be against that.

Freeze their assets and more...

It's time for this to stop. It's time to be pitiless against the bankers and against the people who invest in murder to assure their own survival in power. Assets from these states should be frozen, all over the west. Money trails should be followed, wherever they lead. People should go to jail, in every country in the world. It should be done state-to-state. Stop funding the murder of our citizens and you can have your money back. Maybe. If we're satisfied that you'll stop doing it. And, it goes without saying, but we'll say it anyway – not another bullet will be sold to you, let alone advanced warplanes, until this act gets cleaned up to our satisfaction. If that endangers your political position back home, that's your problem, not ours. You are no longer trusted allies. Complain, and your diplomats will be going home. Complain more loudly, and your diplomats will be investigated and, if necessary, detained. Retaliate, and you do not want to know what will happen, but it will done with cold, reasoned and, yes, pitiless calculation. It will not be a blind punch. You will not see it coming. It will not be an attack on your faith. It will be an attack on how you conduct your business as sovereign states in a world full of sovereign states.

[tecelote]

41. Thought of posting the same.

This also gives us the solution.

Follow the money. Arrest the people funding war and terrorism. Stop the flow of money.

[JaneyVee]

40. It's like a cult.

Bernie voted for HR Res 64 (war authorization), Afghanistan War, Kosovo, Somalia, and voted to fund every war.

When the myth of Bernie Sanders outweighs the reality of Bernie Sanders.

[tecelote]

42. Still, he is the morally superior choice.

In 2009, Bernie strongly opposed a proposed 40,000 troop surge in Afghanistan, saying it would be “a very, very, very bad idea”.

After President Obama announced a timetable to withdraw troops in 2011, Bernie released this statement:

“This country has a $14.5 trillion national debt, in part owing to two wars that have not been paid for. We have been at war in Afghanistan for the last 10 years and paid a high price both in terms of casualties and national treasure. This year alone, we will spend about $100 billion on that war. In my view, it is time for the people of Afghanistan to take full responsibility for waging the war against the Taliban. While we cannot withdraw all of our troops immediately, we must bring them home as soon as possible.

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Show me some Hillary quotes to counter this, if you can.

[JaneyVee]

44. 33,000 gun deaths a year. Morally superior my ass.

Bernie voted for that. Again, and again, and again, and again x10.

[TM99]

49. Every time you are getting your ass

handed to you for defending Clinton's hawkish record, you trot out this. You do realize that it is a red herring, right? Probably not!

[JaneyVee]

57. Claiming moral superiority is a messiah complex.

Guns, keeping GITMO open, Afghanistan War, etc. and http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/11/bernie-sanders-drones-counter-terror and http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5623b601e4b08589ef47bdaa

Again, moral superiority my ass.

[TM99]

61. Sometimes JaneyVee

some people just make better reasoned choices than others.

Such is life.

No one but you seems to be claiming that any of us think Sanders is a dove. Now, that is called a strawman. You keep attacking an argument never made.

Shall we continue?

[tecelote]

63. Thanks.

"No one but you seems to be claiming that any of us think Sanders is a dove."

Exactly. He is simply the better of the two. The sane choice.

[JaneyVee]

64. I'm attacking the "moral superiority" bs.

We are a nation of laws not morals. Everyone has differing morals.

[TM99]

65. Just for you JaneyVee

You obviously do not yet understand the basic distinction between morals and ethics.

[Thinkingabout]

78. Sanders has voted more times for military action than Clinton has, this would make Sanders a war

Hawk. Everytime you bring up Clinton's vote remember Sanders has voted more times than Clinton.

[TM99]

87. Wow, no one understands argumentation any more do they.

Sorry, you are also wrong.

Sanders has been an elected member of congress longer than Clinton was so this non-sequitur proves nothing.

Voting for military action alone does not make one a hawk. He is not a dove, and as I already pointed out to your logic challenged compatriot, no one has claimed he is.

Clinton agreed with Bush. Stop. Clinton equals - We came, we saw, he died. Stop. Clinton vote for the Kyl-Lieberman admendment for war with Iran. Stop.

These are the actions of a hawk. These are not the actions of a reasoned and ethical congress person making the sometimes very difficult choice to use judicious military action.

You simply can not make the hawk label stick to Sanders. It is on your candidate alone. Deal with it.

[leftofcool]

59. Oh my gawd!

[MisterP]

39. Iraq Clinton? Libya Clinton? Honduras Clinton? Syrian "moderates" Clinton?

[Cassiopeia]

46. Not this Democratic voter. nt

[SoapBox]

48. I wouldn't TRUST her to take out my garbage.

I assume we'll be seeing the usual "evolution" and/or Flippity-Flopping, as she morphs again from the Moderate to the Progressive to a Right-Leaning Moderate.

Nope...not one iota of trust in her.

[JaneyVee]

51. Take out your own garbage.

[Old Codger]

52. I would Think

That in the cause of clarity you might change that to "some" democrats trust hillary ... A lot of us don't trust her on anything whatsoever

[deutsey]

66. That would include me n/t

[raindaddy]

62. Makes sense. Didn't she actually dodge bullets in a combat zone?

Maybe she can tell her story at tonight's debate?

[Jack Rabbit]

71. I believe it. It's scary.

[Billsmile]

75. Track Record Be Damned. NFM

[bettyellen]

76. to the point I almost expect CTs blaming Hillary for the Paris attacks

because she needed to do even better in the debates. It's like Republicans have never existed.

[litlbilly]

77. Well then I guess all those voters should reregister as republicans.

[Fearless]

79. Complete bull. How dare you politicize this!

Really distasteful. Profoundly distasteful.

[Old Codger]

88. My Thoughts

Go to an old saying "any port in a storm".... anything to score points irrespective of anything else

[GoneOffShore]

80. I'm in the % who don't trust her at all.

And trust Senator Sanders 'Very confidently'.

[Robbins]

81. I sure the hell don't trust her

anyone who is cozy with nay bush or kissinger has no business anywhere near the white house.

[Duval]

82. Two in this family say

Nah! We believe she will be much more hawkish than Bernie.

[Bernblu]

83. Isn't Hillary the one who voted for Bush's war that led to ISIS?

No, I don't trust her.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

85. I think many of them voted for raygun

stupid is as stupid does

[Cha]

89. I should hope so.. so glad President Obama chose her to be his SOS.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

91. Which is why we're going to have the media cover every international crisis....

....and other distractions....

[EndElectoral]

92. If this is the case, then Democratic voters are vastly misinformed.