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Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 04:32 PM Nov 2015

Will Hillary admit her mistake pushing to arm "moderate" Syrian rebels?

Hillary Clinton wanted to arm Syrian rebels, memoir reveals

The "moderate" rebels turned out to be a myth. It partly led to ISIS and other terrorists growing. (source)

Why was the US actively involved with trying to overthrow the government of Syria?

President Obama resisted her strategy at first but later followed it. It was horrible advice.

The only thing I've seen Hillary Clinton do so far is blame President Obama for not arming them even more. If he had followed her plan things would have been even worse. So is she going to admit her Syria strategy was a disaster, or will she count on it being too confusing for voters to figure out?

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Will Hillary admit her mistake pushing to arm "moderate" Syrian rebels? (Original Post) Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 OP
Well, it was a "Hard Choice"...and, as usual, a "mistake". Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #1
I would not call it HRC's strategy. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #2
It was though. She was a hawk in the Obama administration, pushing him on this Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #3
True. But to blame Clinton for being an interventionist is one thing. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #4
No doubt the roots of empire and intervention are deep. But there are shades of grey. Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #5
Well said. eom guillaumeb Nov 2015 #8
And she has the nerve to say she wont floriduck Nov 2015 #6
Yeah really. Maybe in the debate tonight she'll blame President Obama again for Syria falling apart Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #9
John Dickerson will ask hard questions to all and ask about refugees... 4139 Nov 2015 #7
That's definitely going to be a tough question Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #11
Do we want Muslims to take the lead or not? JaneyVee Nov 2015 #10
Que? Fairgo Nov 2015 #12
She wouldn't admit to buying the wrong air freshener. Fearless Nov 2015 #13
Good one. GoneOffShore Nov 2015 #15
+1,000 Hepburn Nov 2015 #22
You are assuming that arming syrian rebels was/is a bad idea. Why was/is it a bad idea? Persondem Nov 2015 #14
Because the weapons are ending up with terrorists? Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #16
What terrorists?nt Persondem Nov 2015 #25
Real nasty ones with thick accents. Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #26
I watched enough to realize that it is a very recent interview. Persondem Nov 2015 #28
Hang on let me call my contacts in CIA Top Secret and I'll get right back to you Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #31
Never. n/t in_cog_ni_to Nov 2015 #17
She also pushed him to overthrow Qaddafi. betterdemsonly Nov 2015 #18
I've heard that Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #19
You know...that is what bothers me the most about her. Hepburn Nov 2015 #23
At least without Qaddafi the Libyan people have a chance for self determiation Persondem Nov 2015 #30
The Saudis are infinately worse in the authortarian department and the terrorism department. betterdemsonly Nov 2015 #32
And that is Clinton's fault? Stick with the OP. nt. Persondem Nov 2015 #33
Yes, in so far as she has supported wahabbi groups like Isis in Syria and Libya betterdemsonly Nov 2015 #34
Are you out of your mind? Come on .. link to any unbiased, fact based source that Persondem Nov 2015 #36
Hand in hand with her vote to kill a million Iraqis. morningfog Nov 2015 #20
You just don't understand business opportunities Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #24
Hillary? Admit a mistake? Hepburn Nov 2015 #21
Hey it's happened before: Hillary Clinton on the Iraq war: "I made a mistake" Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #27
Oooooooooooops, I meant UNQUALIFIED admission of a mistake. Hepburn Nov 2015 #29
Will Bernie admit his mistake to help "arm" gun lobbyists? nt William769 Nov 2015 #35
I don't see how that makes any sense. Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #37
Kick UglyGreed Nov 2015 #38

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. I would not call it HRC's strategy.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 04:34 PM
Nov 2015

I would call it the default US strategy. She simply bought into the idea.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
3. It was though. She was a hawk in the Obama administration, pushing him on this
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 04:38 PM
Nov 2015

And blaming him for not being hawkish enough.

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton drew a foreign policy line between herself and President Obama in an interview this week, saying the President should have assisted Syrian rebels early in the bloody three-year conflict there, and issuing a dig at his Administration’s minimalist doctrine.

The Obama Administration’s wariness about assisting rebels out of fear that aid would fall into the hands of extremists was misguided and ineffectual, Clinton said in an interview with the Atlantic, and allowed for the rise of Islamic extremists who are now threatening to take over wide swaths of Iraq.
http://time.com/3097964/hillary-clinton-syria-isis-the-atlantic/

Obama was right to be skeptical. The weapons did fall into the wrong hands. He would have been better off sticking with his original instinct.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
4. True. But to blame Clinton for being an interventionist is one thing.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 04:43 PM
Nov 2015

But that interventionism has roots in the Monroe Doctrine. HRC is merely one of many interventionist US politicians in the past 200 plus years.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
5. No doubt the roots of empire and intervention are deep. But there are shades of grey.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 04:53 PM
Nov 2015

Any President is going to intervene, meddle, engage in other countries' business, somewhat. That comes with running an empire.

But Hillary Clinton is on the hawkish end of the spectrum though. Sadly it leads to blowback.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
6. And she has the nerve to say she wont
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 04:55 PM
Nov 2015

be any more of a hawk that President Obama. THAT IS HILARIOUS and sad it's so blatantly false.

4139

(1,893 posts)
7. John Dickerson will ask hard questions to all and ask about refugees...
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 04:57 PM
Nov 2015

It was on Face the Nation where Hillary said the u.s. Should take 65,000 Syrian refugees.... I will be Shocked if he doesn't ask that question to all.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
26. Real nasty ones with thick accents.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:28 PM
Nov 2015

I don't know watch that Tulsi Gabbard thing and see how she explains it.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
28. I watched enough to realize that it is a very recent interview.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:39 PM
Nov 2015

Clinton's idea about arming Syrian rebels is from a couple of years ago. Different situations. So which terrorist group was/is supposedly getting the weapons and what percent is getting to the moderate Syrians and what % to terrorists?

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
31. Hang on let me call my contacts in CIA Top Secret and I'll get right back to you
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:46 PM
Nov 2015

It's a recent interview so it's actually very relevant.

The decision to arm some of those groups was a few years ago, and the blowback is happening now.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
18. She also pushed him to overthrow Qaddafi.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 07:40 PM
Nov 2015

She is horrible on foreign policy. She has been totally in the neocon camp since 9/11. Cowardly progressives want to give her a pass for that, but there is no indication she has backed off that mistake in any way. She is following the PNAC plan all the way. Even gave warm fuzzies to Netenyahu in a letter to the Forward.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
19. I've heard that
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:20 PM
Nov 2015

It's either like the worst judgement ever or really bad intentions. I honestly don't know which.

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
23. You know...that is what bothers me the most about her.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:32 PM
Nov 2015

Either she is stupid and gullible...or she has really evil hidden intentions.

Scary lady, IMO.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
30. At least without Qaddafi the Libyan people have a chance for self determiation
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:45 PM
Nov 2015

with that nut job in power, life was limited and surreal. It could have turned out like Tunisia, and still might.


"Cowardly progressives want to give her a pass for that,"


You have that wrong. Cowardly progressives are okay with dictators and sponsors of terrorism.
 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
32. The Saudis are infinately worse in the authortarian department and the terrorism department.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:24 AM
Nov 2015

The Saudis have thus far sponsered Al Qaeda, Isis, the Taliban, Boko Haram and the Boston Bombers. The Saudis treat women like property, and don't let them drive or leave the house unaccompanied by male relatives. Yet we ally with them. Meanwhile most of the Lockerbe Bombing allegations against Qaddafi happened a long time ago and were debunked by the Brits including Tony Blair.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
34. Yes, in so far as she has supported wahabbi groups like Isis in Syria and Libya
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:14 AM
Nov 2015

and pushed Obama to arm them.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
36. Are you out of your mind? Come on .. link to any unbiased, fact based source that
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 10:52 AM
Nov 2015

supports your notion that Clinton supports ISIS. Please proceed.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
24. You just don't understand business opportunities
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:10 PM
Nov 2015

That and freedom. Two things you're learning. See I explain it first you deliver Gift of Freedom™ and in return you get business opportunities. The more you know.


http://www.ibtimes.com/campaign-2016-hillary-clinton-pitched-iraq-business-opportunity-us-corporations-2121999


“It's time for the United States to start thinking of Iraq as a business opportunity," she said in a 2011 speech.

The quote was included in an email released by the State Department on Wednesday that specifically mentioned JPMorgan and Exxon Mobil. JPMorgan was selected by the U.S. government to run a key import-export bank in Iraq and in 2013 announced plans to expand its operations in the country. Exxon Mobil signed a deal to redevelop Iraqi oil fields. JPMorgan has collectively paid the Clintons and the Clinton Foundation at least $450,000 for speeches, and Exxon Mobil has donated over $1 million to the family’s foundation.

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
29. Oooooooooooops, I meant UNQUALIFIED admission of a mistake.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:40 PM
Nov 2015

Guess it gave both of you the wiggle room to make it look like an admission. GMAB.

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