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MSNBC: Sanders admits Clinton has the advantage in national security issues. (Original Post) MoonRiver Nov 2015 OP
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If he said something else, provide the quote BainsBane Nov 2015 #3
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Actually I didn't make the claim BainsBane Nov 2015 #7
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Strange, you're one of many I've indentified as Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2015 #20
She only has advantage kcjohn1 Nov 2015 #2
He thinks she has the advantage. MoonRiver Nov 2015 #4
If he said that kcjohn1 Nov 2015 #8
MIC, like Lockheed-Martin? BainsBane Nov 2015 #5
People are confusing experience with better positions jfern Nov 2015 #10
He's lowering expectations for his performance in the debate tonight...nt SidDithers Nov 2015 #11
not at all.... restorefreedom Nov 2015 #22
I learned a lot from JFK. He was not an expert on everything. jwirr Nov 2015 #12
The majority of Democrats prefer Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sande for president. MoonRiver Nov 2015 #14
We are all those hidden Democrats that they do not poll + jwirr Nov 2015 #15
Riiiiiight! MoonRiver Nov 2015 #16
Wait and see. Many Democrats have stopped voting over jwirr Nov 2015 #18
Yes we will. MoonRiver Nov 2015 #19
She may know more, but she makes bad decisions. reformist2 Nov 2015 #13
I just heard Hillary say UglyGreed Nov 2015 #17
Potentially harmful statements like the one you "swear you thought" she said oasis Nov 2015 #23
It was joke UglyGreed Nov 2015 #24
well i would imagine that being sos restorefreedom Nov 2015 #21
Unsourced bull shit Fearless Nov 2015 #25
Sanders is smart enought to read polls such as this one which would be his source.. riversedge Nov 2015 #26
A non sequitur and a false statement. Fearless Nov 2015 #27
Sanders is smart enough not to ignore Politicalboi Nov 2015 #29
Naturally she has more insight sadoldgirl Nov 2015 #28
No links says it all. A couple of times even! Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #30
Her experience as SoS helped her see the error of her IWR vote. Jim Lane Nov 2015 #31
Hillary desperation Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #32
Hillary Clinton, of course, has more direct experience Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #33

Response to MoonRiver (Original post)

Response to BainsBane (Reply #3)

BainsBane

(53,034 posts)
7. Actually I didn't make the claim
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 05:10 PM
Nov 2015

Either the claim in the OP or the one insulting the OP.

I find it interesting that you don't even bother to figure out if it might be true because what people say seemingly matters far less than what you want to believe.

Response to BainsBane (Reply #7)

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
2. She only has advantage
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 05:05 PM
Nov 2015

If you subscribe closer to the neocon and military–industrial complex viewpoint on security issues.

The fact is the war on terror has being epic failure, and democrats share the blame with republicans. Sanders has being less vocal about taking on these special interests. If he wants to draw contrasts he will have to point out Clinton record on these issues, and how their aggressive approach to all these problems have not worked.

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
8. If he said that
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 05:12 PM
Nov 2015

It means he subscribes to her world view (Iraq war vote, Libya, Syria). If that is the case, he is right.

She is much better positioned to carry water for the military industrial complex.

BainsBane

(53,034 posts)
5. MIC, like Lockheed-Martin?
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 05:07 PM
Nov 2015

Don't count Bernie out so easily. He's not chump change, but then nor is $800 billion.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
10. People are confusing experience with better positions
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 05:15 PM
Nov 2015

Cheney has even more experience than Hillary on national security. Bernie is much better on the issues.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
22. not at all....
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 06:14 PM
Nov 2015

bernie is enough of a stand up guy to call it straight. being sos increases ones knowledge base on foreign issues more than any other position, its pretty straightforward. he is confident enough in his views to acknowledge that.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
12. I learned a lot from JFK. He was not an expert on everything.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 05:22 PM
Nov 2015

He just had enough sense to have good advisers. What we trust about Bernie is not so much that he knows everything but that he has a good moral sense of what is right and wrong. We can trust him. We do not feel the same way about Hillary. Good advisers make the difference. Hillary went to Henry Kissinger for advise when she was SOS!

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
14. The majority of Democrats prefer Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sande for president.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 05:26 PM
Nov 2015

So your generic "we" is much more limited than you imply.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
18. Wait and see. Many Democrats have stopped voting over
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 05:43 PM
Nov 2015

the years that have seen no change in direction since 1980. And the young voters are avid Bernie supporters. But this group of voters do not show up in the polls. We will see.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
17. I just heard Hillary say
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 05:29 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie would better serve the "regular everyday people" but I would better serve the elite. Money talks BS walks so suck it America. No link but I swear I thought she said it on Leno

oasis

(49,388 posts)
23. Potentially harmful statements like the one you "swear you thought" she said
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 06:21 PM
Nov 2015

would be rebroadcast all over the networks and cable news by now

Doncha think so?

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
24. It was joke
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 06:29 PM
Nov 2015

do you really think Hillary said that???? I did not think I needed a sarcasm tag. Edit to add I did put the tag on it.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
21. well i would imagine that being sos
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 06:11 PM
Nov 2015

increases ones knowledge base big time.

there really isn't a position in the administration, even the president, that has to deal with foreign leaders all day every day. it probably gives any candidate more advantage than any other post, with the possible exception of veep.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
29. Sanders is smart enough not to ignore
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 07:21 PM
Nov 2015

Hillary's post as SOS. This is no big deal. It's more than what Hillary would say about her competition.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
28. Naturally she has more insight
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 07:15 PM
Nov 2015

having been SOS, the questions come with her
decisions. She just recently said that she has
still hope for Libya or some such thing.

By killing one head of a snake, we may have produced
some new ones. We shall see.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
31. Her experience as SoS helped her see the error of her IWR vote.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:00 PM
Nov 2015

More generally, it's certainly relevant to consider Clinton's experience in the Cabinet, and before that in the Senate, and before that as an informal adviser to the President, and before that as a Wal-Mart board member and Children's Legal Defense Fund lawyer.

I personally don't go along with those who include her experience as a Goldwater Girl, but in general, all of a candidate's experiences are part of what that candidate is today.

Of course, in 1992 one candidate was a former Director of Central Intelligence, then Vice President for eight years, then President for four years. The other candidate had been Attorney General of Arkansas and Governor of Arkansas. The Clinton loyalists didn't seem bothered by the contrast back then.

Admittedly, the analogy isn't perfect. In 1992, the more experienced candidate, faced with the question whether to use American military power to overthrow Saddam Hussein, had gotten it right the first time.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
33. Hillary Clinton, of course, has more direct experience
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:25 PM
Nov 2015

in foreign affairs, but it feels unsettling to me that she benefits from the recent tragedy in Paris, assuming that the focus of the debate shifts from the economy to international matters. Serendipity for her, I suppose.

Just an observation, no judgment.

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