2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumLet’s Kick ‘Boots on the Ground’ to the Curb.
In the aftermath of the Paris terror attacks, boots on the ground, Vietnam-era shorthand for ground troops, has become the rhetorical equivalent of camouflage fashion. Tossing out the term gives politicians a battle-toughened air, while distancing them from the fact that theyre calling for the United States to send young Americans into battle.
I rarely if ever hear anyone who wears boots use the term its a chest-thumping thing, said retired Maj. Gen. Bob Scales, a military historian and former commandant of the United States Army War College in Carlisle, Pa.
The more complicated the topic, of course, the more tempting to give it a facile descriptor. Thats how standards like kick the can down the road (stall a vote in Congress); collateral damage (civilian deaths); and person of interest (not quite a suspect but we sure hope so) came into being.
This week, as presidential candidates and members of Congress debate military intervention in Syria, theres a sanitizing quality to BOTG that makes it more pernicious than most clichés. Take this observation, from Lindsey Graham, one of the Republican presidential candidates whos been beating the drum for boots: The age of half measures has to end. At the end of the day when you put 50 boots on the ground youre telling ISIL youre not really serious as an American president to degrade and destroy them. Speaking of half-measures, what does the senator from South Carolina mean by 50 boots? Is that 25 soldiers, or does one boot equal one soldier?
Or take Hillary Clintons response when asked by John Dickerson, the moderator of Saturdays Democratic debate: How did you get it wrong with Libya if the key lesson of the Iraq war is have a plan for after?
Well, we did have a plan, Mrs. Clinton said, and I think its fair to say that of all of the Arab leaders, Gaddafi probably had more blood on his hands of Americans than anybody else. And when he moved on his own people, threatening a massacre, genocide, the Europeans and the Arabs, our allies and partners, did ask for American help and we provided it. She added: And we didnt put a single boot on the ground, and Gaddafi was deposed.
Her opponent Martin OMalley cried foul, with an anecdote about a soldiers mother who told him, My son is not a pair of boots on the ground.
Nobody was dissuaded, of course. A quick scan of TV transcripts shows more than two dozen references to military footwear since Sunday.
Ted Cruz, notably, used the term to criticize others posturing: You know, I think there are far too many politicians, when it comes to boots on the ground, that are eager just to commit to boots on the ground to show how tough they are, Mr. Cruz said on CNN on Tuesday.
The New America Foundations Douglas Ollivant, a retired Army officer and director for Iraq at the National Security Council during the George W. Bush and Obama administrations, said the lure and the danger of the term for politicians is that its totally undefined. This is military slang that has moved into common parlance but the boundaries of what it means are not clear.
Iraq 2007 was boots on the ground, no doubt about it, he said. But in the current debate, when presidential candidates and members of Congress clamor for military intervention in Syria, if a Delta Force guy does a raid and leaves in 30 minutes, is that boots on the ground? Im not sure. >>>
http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/11/17/lets-kick-boots-on-the-ground-to-the-curb/?
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)lets chuck the war of choice that the hawks are drumming up.
MADem
(135,425 posts)War is a sucky, shitty business. Banning a commonly used expression (that distinguishes from air assets, or Naval assets) isn't going to turn it into sunshine, lollipops and rainbows.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)Martin O'Malley @MartinOMalley
A mother of a service member to Governor OMalley: "My son is not a pair of boots on the ground. These are American soldiers. #DemDebate
Gabriela Domenzain @GabiDomenzain
@MartinOMalley stopped by WWII #veteran "thank you, we appreciate what you said: we're not boots on the ground."
...it's amazing to me how many progressive principles are being thrown out the window here at DU in defense of politicians. Yours is a sad and regressive view which is obviously little more than a partisan slap at Martin O'Malley for relating the sentiment of the mother in the debate.
MADem
(135,425 posts)principles. Like "progressives" can't be pro-war? Jesus--Teddy Roosevelt,
"progressive on steroids," hello????
Progressive is NOT a synonym for "liberal"--stop acting like it is. There are progressives on the Republican side of the aisle, and most of them are the "freedom FROM government" types:
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/03/22/1761431/what-it-means-to-be-a-progressive-a-manifesto/
And why are you trying to tell me that MO'M didn't originate the term, and then show me a pic of some single, solitary old dude TALKING TO THAT VERY POLITICIAN as "anecdotal evidence" of a groundswell of objection?
MO'M popularized the "objection." Again--it was a pander. I won't change my view on it, either. You could call them "special snowflakes," or "happy warfighters," or "camo'd comrades," but if an enemy gets a good shot off, we call them DECEASED.
I prefer diplomacy to those boots on the ground, or drones in the air.
But we do what needs must. And changing "the words" doesn't do a thing to help. It might make a few people feel self-righteous for a minute or two. Probably not that much longer than that.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...entirely.
It was a request from a service member's mom and I agree with her. Others do, as well. It was a call for Americans to regard these troops as more than just 'boot' or any other inanimate object; to remind us that they're flesh and blood. I don't think anyone can credibly say that sentiment is widely shared, especially by those who use and view them as little more than fodder for their reflexive militarism.
If we follow your logic, almost everything that comes from these politicians is 'pandering.' For those of us who appreciate O'Malley's expression of compassion toward the mother and the troops, it's a welcome admonition. As we've seen in many facets of our society, language does matter in our national debates. It matters to this mom, and it matters to me.
But, hell, knock yourself out fuming over it.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)It's getting harder to find with each passing day here at the DU forum, it seems.
I would love it if phony, baloney politicians stopped using that phrase to refer to the troops.
Senator John McCain started using that term as a mantra whenever he referred to the troops back in the mid-90s, when Clinton was busy going after Milosevic.
And it makes me sick to hear warmongers constantly refer to the troops that way.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)He reminded people those boots are attached to bodies. He was speaking for all the grieving parents of fallen service members in this country. That includes me. Thank you Gov. O'Malley.
It's not like this short hand is actually a pressing issue of the day.
MADem
(135,425 posts)It's easy to get all huffy and puffy over a term--it distracts from actually addressing the serious issues that would cause us to contemplate doing the very thing the "term" is all about.
We have a problem in the Middle East. Someone is going to have to put their tootsies on that ground to solve it. I'm in favor of letting the locals do that work, but it's going to take a lot of negotiation and diplomacy and other types of support to make that happen. This isn't simply a Syrian issue, an Iraqi issue, or even a neighbors in Turkey and Lebanon issue. This is an issue for the world to solve.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)...coming from the back of the pack. Go figure that...
elleng
(130,974 posts)Ignore the interests and feelings of families of our armed service members, that's a GOOD idea, I guess (NOT!)
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...so far.
Not very inspiring.
elleng
(130,974 posts)and people apparently not noticing or caring this opinion piece comes from a NYTiimes editorial page contributor.
MADem
(135,425 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Posting a right wing article with an email about HRC being confused after a head concussion which is perfectly normal because that's what head concussions do, you know, cause some confusion because the brains gets temporarily scrambled.
MADem
(135,425 posts)How many years did you spend in uniform? Are we going to play that game?
elleng
(130,974 posts)and so would your mother.
I am playing NO game.
MADem
(135,425 posts)is going to magically stop war, I have a unicorn for sale.
People who play those "word games" ARE avoiding the reality of a tough discussion about what is going to happen next in the Middle East. While everyone is fretting over finding a "new word" there are going to be plenty of sandals, sneakers, and rubber shoes on the ground, shooting up villages, killing men, women and children left and right, and causing mayhem. But hey--let's whine about a common term, because that's "important."
There's a reason the guy is in 3rd place--he doesn't have the bubble.
elleng
(130,974 posts)consequently no reason for you to whine, but public figures are encouraged to change their rhetoric to account for the feelings of family members, but can't have that, can we?
MADem
(135,425 posts)"Family members," my left boot.
One person, and MO'M used an anecdote to get out of offering a substantive policy position.
It was OBVIOUS what he did, and why.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)..recognizing the politics you're practicing on this thread, obviously in favor of your candidate of choice, I'm increasingly less concerned about your criticisms. Apparently, your candidate is pure gold and O'Malley isn't squat to you. So he doesn't have your support. I'm full up with the way you're putting him down. Good riddance to your support, I say. Best of luck with your candidate.
MADem
(135,425 posts)It's not going to help him get elected, in fact, it's just one more distraction. He's not the guy who can give us answers as to what we should actually DO "on the ground" in the middle east, because he wants to fight about "terms" used instead of addressing the ugly, major conflict itself.
That was a 'feint and pivot' move and it was obvious.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)Are we supposed to also stop using such terms as 'boot camp' too? I've heard plenty of veterans use the term 'boots on the ground'.
elleng
(130,974 posts)'A mother of a service member to Governor OMalley: "My son is not a pair of boots on the ground. These are American soldiers.'
BooScout
(10,406 posts)To make political hay whilst he could. In the grand scheme of things, a phrase coined by a soldier to describe troops going into battle and kill people is not exactly at the top of my list of things to complain about.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...and it was a clear signal, to anyone who cared to notice, that he intends to treat these men and women in the military as more than pawns in a political game.
Crystalite
(164 posts)Are we so proud and clueless that we can sit here with increasing numbers of families facing poverty, veterans committing suicide every damned day, the environment collapsing, and still go about the globe fighting endless wars with "boots on the ground"
I guess we are.
elleng
(130,974 posts)aspirant
(3,533 posts)anything to remove a human face.
elleng
(130,974 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)"boots on the ground" is dehumanizing the soldiers who put their lives on the line. It makes them sound like just another piece of equipment.
elleng
(130,974 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)We need to realize that they are fathers, mothers, sons and daughters. We have to demand that they not be put in harms way unless it absolutely needed and only as a last resort. They should not be used to continue 60+ years of failed foreign policy in the Middle East.
elleng
(130,974 posts)antigop
(12,778 posts)elleng
(130,974 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)elleng
(130,974 posts)Others, on the other hand, just want to slam Governor O'Malley for showing respect.