SC poll reveals something interesting about electability.

[Persondem]

First the facts from this poll ....

Hillary Clinton trails all of the Republican candidates for President in South Carolina by
anywhere from 2 to 12 points. By far the Republican who does best against Clinton is
Ben Carson who leads 51/39. Jeb Bush leads her 47/41, Marco Rubio and Donald Trump
both do 47/42, Mike Huckabee's up 47/43, Carly Fiorina is ahead 45/41, Ted Cruz has a
46/43 advantage, and the smallest lead is John Kasich's at 43/41.
Bernie Sanders does on average 7 points worse than Clinton in match ups with the
comparable Republicans in South Carolina. He trails Carson 51/33, Bush 48/35, Rubio
46/33, Cruz 45/35, and Trump 48/38.

Now it's no surprise that Clinton does better than Sanders in SC, but what is a at least a little surprising is that Clinton is within single digits of all but 1 of the GOP candidates. Compared to all of the GOP candidates not named Carson, she is within 6 percentage points and gets the margins close to or within the MoE for a couple of them. She is only down 5 to the GOP national frontrunner Donald tRump.
So why am I commenting on this ... This is in SOUTH CAROLINA. Clinton is within a few points of making SOUTH CAROLINA competitive (except for Carson, who ain't going to be the GOP nominee). She is also polling better in SC than Obama did in '08 and '12 which could portend good things in more competitive southern states like NC, GA and VA.

[Cha]

1. Thank you, Pd!

[Persondem]

3. You are welcome. Seemed too good not to pass on once I realized the possibilities. nt.

[Cha]

5. Kick it up!

[Agschmid]

2. Kick.

[Dem2]

4. I hope this trend continues

After the candidates are chosen.

[Cosmic Kitten]

6. Q10 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Hillary Clinton?

UNFAVORABLE........57%
favorable...............37%

This is in SOUTH CAROLINA. Clinton is within a few points of making SOUTH CAROLINA competitive

With a 57% UNFAVORABLE
Hillary doesn't look very *competitive*

WHO did they poll???

Q34 The federal minimum wage is currently $7.25-
which of the following would you support most-
increasing it to $15 an hour, increasing it to $12
an hour, increasing it to $10 an hour, keeping it
at $7.25 an hour, or eliminating the federal
minimum wage altogether?

Increasing to $15.00 per hour.........................18%

Increasing to $12.00 per hour......................... 16%

Increasing to $10.00 per hour......................... 34%

Keeping it at $7.25 per hour.........................16%

Eliminating the federal minimum wage
altogether............................12%

Not sure........................................................3%

62% want $10.00 per hour...OR LESS!

LOL! talk about voting against your own interests

[Chitown Kev]

7. South Carolina is a deep enough red

that I doubt that anyone expects her to win it.

[KingCharlemagne]

21. The point is that if she or Sanders are competitive there, it forces Repubs to shift resources to ho

a state essential fir heir electoral prospects, meaning far fewer resources for the battleground states.

[Persondem]

15. It's pretty obvious from my posts at DU that I have a favorable impression of Clinton

She doesn't have to have great favorables to win an election. She, or any candidate, just has to get one more vote than the other candidate. It's like the bear in the woods .. you don't have to be faster than the bear, you just have to faster than the other person you are with.

You are exactly right about voting against their interests. A form of Stockholm syndrome?

[reformist2]

8. Actually, most polls show that Bernie would have an easier time beating the Repug nationally.

If only he could get Dem voters to see that - that they can have a more liberal candidate, with a better chance of winning!

[Nonhlanhla]

9. It is entirely possible, but not certain at all

It is entirely possible that Bernie has a better chance in the General, especially if he can wake up the sleeping voters who currently feel to discouraged to vote. But there is a very real fear that his current GE numbers are merely a reflection of the fact that the GOP has not yet aimed any ammunition on him. They have fired at Hillary for decades now, and especially in the last few years. She can hardly go any lower But Bernie most certainly can. They will use dog whistle ageism against him (even more than against Hillary, who is some years younger); they will most certainly use the socialism thing against him and milk it for all it's worth; and I suspect they might use some dog-whistling anti-Semitism against him. So far they've steered clear of him.

That is not to say that he can't win in the GE. Either candidate could win or lose - the election is a year away, after all. I just think that realistically speaking a lot of us are nervous about sending a nominee out there whose numbers can very likely go down. With Hillary her numbers are probably already pretty much as low as it will go.

[reformist2]

11. Fair question. Link below...

Sanders Outperforms Clinton in General Election Matchups in IA, NH

by Mark Murray


Oct 5, 2015


Hillary Clinton has always been viewed as the Democrats' best general-election candidate. But new NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Marist polls of Iowa and New Hampshire show that Bernie Sanders outperforms Clinton in those two general-election battleground states.

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/sanders-outperforms-clinton-general-election-match-ups-ia-nh-n438491

And seriously, this is just one of many polls/articles that have said the same thing.

[Persondem]

19. That's from before she got her October bump. Clinton does better now than

she was doing then.

Link to RCP match up aggregates

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. No presidential candidate with a D after his or her name will win SC

The only southeastern states in play are FL, NC, and VA.

[Persondem]

16. I agree completely. It just seemed amazing to me that she was that close to

the GOP candidates. You might include GA as being in play, but probably too early.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. I was going to add GA as a long shot...

WJC carried it in 92.

[treestar]

18. and by Bernie-logic

he should do better than HRC due to crossover Republican votes. So this shows holes in Bernie-logic. In a red state the concept that he is more likely to beat the Republican, often stated, should be more pronounced.

[KingCharlemagne]

20. Sanders supporter here, but this is awesome news for our republic, no matter how

one slices it.

Thanks for posting!

[Persondem]

22. Thank you for the nice response. It is good news when formerly red states like

VA, NC and GA are mentioned as being blue or purple and even SC shows a glimmer of losing some of their redness.

Seems a shame that we (the Democrats) seem to be losing ground in CO. I guess I will take a gain of 3 states to a loss of 1.

When Texas goes blue, it's all over for the GOP nationally. (Oh happy day!)