The truth is not a smear nor an attack.

[Unknown Beatle]

Hillary supporters are under the mistaken impression that Bernie supporters are smearing her. I have not read anything here on DU that would suggest that we're (yes, I'm a huge Bernie supporter) smearing Hillary.

The latest is about Hillary are her remarks about 9/11, yet her supporters are saying we're lying and smearing her because of her remarks during the debate, or at the very least, misinterpreting her statements regarding 9/11 and Wall St.

To all Hillary supporters, we're telling the truth about Hillary, nothing more and nothing less. We're not smearing and/or lying about what she's said or done, we let her record speak for itself and we try to educate others about it. We inform others to facts and if that comes across as smearing, that's not our fault because we provide links to those facts, and if it's our opinion, we can back up our opinions with facts.

The truth is the truth and facts are facts, no matter how other people view them.

[Vincardog]

1. The truth is the truth and facts are facts, no matter how other people view them.

[leftofcool]

37. Yea, sort of like saying she has mental health issues

Ya, know, just because she fall and had a head concussion 3 years ago. Are those the sort of "truthful" issues you mean?

[AlbertCat]

63. Yea, sort of like saying she has mental health issues

Haven't heard that one for ever!

And you might remember, no one believed it then, and no one does now.
It was made up.

Her record and debate statements are not made up.

So it's NOT "sorta like" it at all. The whole point of this thread.

WHOOOSH!

[leftofcool]

72. And yet it was posted here yesterday as fact.

[AlbertCat]

76. And yet it was posted here yesterday as fact.

Well... that's it then! Everyone believes it now!

[sabrina 1]

83. Could you please link to where that was posted here yesterday? I saw a post about

an email where a member of her staff claimed that she 'gets confused'. That was from her staff. That could simply mean she doesn't handle pressure very well. That has zero to do with mental health, just some people handle handle heavy schedules better than others.

But the email was a fact, not a smear. Facts are not smears.

[yardwork]

87. Did you read the posts in the thread?

Posts in the thread suggested that she has dementia, early onset Alzheimer's, she's fat, she appears tired, she's old, etc.

When some of us brought up her excellent stamina during the 11 hour Benghazi hearing, we were told that that happened in 2013. Yes, really.

Seriously, read the whole thread. It's very illuminating.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

91. Please post a link to that...

Please don't take this wrong. Some of us do not live on this board. We check in maybe once or twice a day, some maybe not that much.
Links would be appreciated.
Convince me! I may have your back.
Lies cannot be tolerated. On either side. Although we are really on the same side.

Proof is your friend.

[leftofcool]

93. Here ya go

Be sure to read the entire thread.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=818546

[NuclearDem]

2. Damn straight. It's the truth.

Now calling Sanders a socialist, that was a straight-up lie.

No, I'm not deliberately ignoring nuance just to further a persecution complex by proxy.

[Armstead]

35. Yes you are ignoring nuance

Calling Sanders a socialist is the truth.

Saying that means he is the reincarnation of Karl Marx, that he wants to abolish capitalism and seize all property is a lie.

There are many shades of socialism, and Sanders is on the more conservative side of that, similar to many countries that are both highly capitalist and socialist.

[Javaman]

77. +1 nt

[CorporatistNation]

111. The "Socialist" moniker is a Designed CUT to DISSUADE Middle America from Supporting Bernie!

This IS the Coordinated Mainstream Media sic... including Hollywood, MSNBC (HardBall Chris Matthews, Hayes, Rachel, et al) CNN and the Big Three Networks using very subtle and sophisticated media techniques to try and Trash Bernie while PUMPING Hillary. I could provide detailed analysis but all you need do is compare the mentions of Hillary vs Bernie, the context of mentions of either one... w/ underlying message Hillary is the Nominee and Bernie CANNOT win... so GET IN LINE!

Poll results always trashing Bernie NEVER mentioning polls that show Bernie w/ the UP Side.... Just pay a little attention and you will see it.

Funny, Bernie is going to make his big speech on Socialism and Hillary same day is going to make speech in NYC. I wonder "WHO" will get the MAJOR coverage???? That my friends is the current state of what passes for "democracy" in America... The Corporatist Nation

[daleanime]

4. And you know this because?

[Unknown Beatle]

5. Now that is the definition of a smear.

Accusing someone of being in bed with the GOP because you disagree with the premise of their OP makes you look like an ill-informed person.

Why can't you respond with why you disagree instead of making ridiculous statements.

[Mnpaul]

8. that post

is the kind of post you would see on FR. No content, just a rehashed version of Bush's "you're either with us or with the enemy". Go figure.

[merrily]

21. Nailed it.

[Darb]

45. Don't alert on me but, it is hard to tell when the memes are identical.

When Berners are parroting long used Republican bullshit, what are we supposed to think? Not to mention newly shat angles of attack, like that horseshit about 9/11. That was a shark-jumping extravaganza.

Just stick to the positive about your guy and run with it. We pretty much all love Bernie. Don't ruin it.

[AlbertCat]

64. parroting long used Republican bullshit,

The point is...

It's not bullshit if it's her record or statements coming out of her mouth..... no matter who brings it up. Even the GOP.

They can use the truth as well as lies. Just because the GOP sees the same things that actually happened doesn't make those thing untrue.

We ALL heard her use 9/11 to justify her big bank and Wall Street donors.

[Unknown Beatle]

97. I have never alerted on anyone.

I was surprised when saturnsring's post was hidden; it wasn't me that alerted on him/her.

[merrily]

6. In my opnion, you don't have to defend anything that is not a violation of TOS, unless an admin

says so.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=823256

[brooklynite]

7. I absolutely agree...

..discussing the truth that Bernie Sanders has significant weakness as a General Election candidate is not a smear.

[99th_Monkey]

12. Not if it's supported by any kind of facts or links or something.

Last edited Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:09 AM - Edit history (1)

which I notice this isn't.

Do you know Bernie gets 21-25% of the GOP cross-over vote in Vermont?

.. and will pull huge numbers of Independents, Greens, and disaffected voters
into the GE to vote for him that Hillary couldn't get to vote for her if she PAID
them to.

[SwampG8r]

19. And mark my words

If she thought she could buy votes like twitter followers she would buy them all.

[Darb]

46. A fine example of a good Democrat right here.

Well done. I am certain that you would wail like a child if someone saw that post and surmised it was bagger-like.

[SwampG8r]

60. Doubtful

I find it doubtful anyone would say that
But the.constant garage of bullshit from hrh supporters does.Indeed help.the baggers
I have been a dem since 1974 when I first registered to vote
I have always been a volunteer
Working g the polling places doing gotv and for the last 15 years driving the van back and forth all day to senior centers
After what I have seen implied and straight out said about Sanders by hrh supporters here and elsewhere in an attempt to malign one of the few de ent people in.politics I have said no more
No more of my time will be wasted on a party that would nominate someone who is the opposite of democratic values
So good on all you hrh supporters
Drive the damn van yourselves
Collect the signatures yourselves
Work the polls yourselves because I refuse to align myself with people with such low and despicable morals.

[Thor_MN]

32. And if the GE were held only in Vermont, you would have a point.

Just a fact.

[quakerboy]

36. Whereas its terribly important

that Hillary can get a majority of the minority in states like SC or TX, which will supply her 0 EC votes in the general?

[Thor_MN]

39. Since the GE is a national event, citing national polls would be prudent.

What I consistently see Sanders supporters citing are single state polls or worse yet, internet polls.

Disclosure: I'm not either a Sanders supporter or Clinton supporter. I'm going to vote for the candidate regardless of who wins the Primary. Meanwhile, I don't care for hypocrisy or disingenuousness.

So take a look at national polls, they are showing who, at this point in time, is leading. They are subject to change, of course, but trying to cite an advantage based a single New England state's polls is less than truthy.

[jeff47]

94. No, it wouldn't. Because we don't have a national popular vote.

What would be prudent is citing polls from "swing" states.

Beating the Republican by 80% in CA gives as many electoral votes as beating the Republican by 51% in CA. But that 80% win makes the candidate look overly strong in a national poll.

Unfortunately, we're not going to get much polling from the key states, because none of them have early enough primaries to be heavily polled.

[quakerboy]

95. State polls are far more important

I agree with you RE internet polls. They are right up there with landline polling.

Single state polls are far more important than national polls, though. The GE occurs nationally, but the EC votes are determined by state, not by the national balance. In a national poll, California will have a large effect on the result, and Wyoming will have a small effect. But in the actual election, each person in Wyoming counts for far more than a Californian.

[lexington filly]

103. Actually, we're learning none of the polls are credible.

A lot was written about them after the midterms about how far off they were. Good, reputable pollsters were caught way off guard. Same thing in last Obama election. Seems the dynamics of reaching voters has changed and they don't know how to crack the code yet. Thank you Steve Jobs.

[treestar]

58. interesting more interest in getting those votes

than the votes of Democrats.

[AlbertCat]

66. more interest in getting those votes

MORE? How so? After all... this isn't the general election. I think in a Dem primary, he'd want to get Dem votes.

Your proof of this "more" thing please....


(or is that just another unfounded smear?)

[99th_Monkey]

71. Not 'more interest'.. just that the ONLY Bernie support that shows in polls are "likely D voters"

which renders Bernie's support from all these other sectors invisible, which
is the point of my post.

[ejbr]

33. Now we're getting somewhere

I have only seen, however, that he does as well if not better than Hillary in the GE. If the polls Hillary supporters like to promote mean anything.

[AlbertCat]

65. has significant weakness as a General Election candidate

And yet he has won multiple elections

Clinton has won 2.... for the same job consecutively. (a carpetbagger position that could be argued was calculated to help her in a presidential election) And lost the last primary she ran in.

So.... you'll have to explain this weakness concept a little more thoroughly.

[840high]

9. k/r The truth is information and I welcome it.

[99th_Monkey]

10. Granted, it does seem that way here sometimes.

I think it has a lot to do with how she's "the presumptive nominee", which I take
to mean presumptuous wannabe nominee ...

along with presumption goes super-defensiveness to ANY one or ANY thing that
questions it or challenges it in any way .. as "just helping the RW GOP nut-jobs!!"

[MisterP]

22. they can't acknowledge that it's a real primary campaign: her support relies

on people not knowing there's competition, not digging into why she's assumed to be "the candidate of group XYZ" (because she's the only non-Pub and thus is on the side of those the Pubs are persecuting)

[Darb]

47. Not accurate.

I support her because I think she would make a good president. Everybody knows about Bernie. We all like him in fact and would vote for him in the general. We are voting for Hillary in the primary.

[AlbertCat]

67. Everybody knows about Bernie.

This is demonstratively untrue.

[slipslidingaway]

11. kick, I should be recommend number 30, but the rec button is not working. n/t

[Jack Rabbit]

13. K/R for the Truth

I guess if we really wanted to be nasty we could call her what some other candidates who take money from special interests like corrupt bankers and do their bidding. We often call such candidates Republicans.

But that would be wrong in her case. Because in spite to taking money from corrupt bankers and doing their bidding, she checked the other box when she registered to vote.

So, we Democrats will be nice and call her Third Way.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

14. But she would never SAY anything like that!!!

So don't believe that lying video or transcript!!!

[Darb]

48. Ridiculous interpretations of what she says (91/11-Wall Street)

is the playground of the bagger.

[bvar22]

84. NO.

Performing the Full Frontal Giuliani on national TV is what hurt her.

[restorefreedom]

99. agree. nt

[restorefreedom]

100. because i believe in transparency

here ya go

On Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:11 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Ridiculous interpretations of what she says (91/11-Wall Street)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=823873

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

An objection to a statement HRC made during the debate automatically makes you a bagger?

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[winter is coming]

15. People fear and attack the unfamiliar. n/t

[ucrdem]

16. Some "truths" do not need to be repeated hourly for 12 freaking years. nt

[lovemydog]

17. +1

Some of these 'truths' are also subjective. Like:

Hillary is a republican.

Hillary is a corporate shill.

Hillary is a warmonger.

Hillary doesn't care about anyone except her billionaire friends.

Ad infinitum.

[sheshe2]

23. ...

[rhett o rick]

27. I am glad you brought that up.

Hillary is a republican.

Of course she isn't a Republicon. She is a Democrat only because they only qualification needed to call yourself a Democrat, is that you call yourself a Democrat. As a self-identified Democrat, she see eye to eye with a lot of Republicons. She agreed with Bush and helped sell the Iraq War.

Hillary is a corporate shill.

Not fair. Hillary loves the people but feels that the best way to serve the people is to support corporations. She gets millions and millions invested in her foundation, her campaign and her personal fortune. Corporations have helped her become a member in good standing of the Elite 1%.

Hillary is a warmonger.

This is going to be a little harder to dispel. The Neocons are looking forward to her presidency and that's not good. She joined the Republicons and helped sell their Iraq invasion.

Hillary doesn't care about anyone except her billionaire friends.

This is certainly not fair. I think she said the people can eat cake.

[lovemydog]

29. Fair enough. Those are some of the same criticisms I have of her.

That's why I plan on voting for Sanders in the primary.

If you go by real words and what they mean though, I can see why some Clinton supporters would view them as smears.

I like your sense of humor. I don't think she said the people can eat cake, unless it was real cake, not the soap flakes Marie Antoinette was talking about.

Oh, and I've seen things that can be perceived as 'smears' of Sanders too. Like:
Bernie is not a democrat
Bernie is a socialist
Bernie's supporters are racist (I personally think some are insensitive on how to talk with people different from them though, and some seem unwilling to learn more from others)
Bernie's supporters are sexist (see above).
Bernie can't win the general election
ad infinitum

From reading here a fair amount, it's funny to me when some supporters of either camp act like it's only the other side who does it, and our 'side' are the victims of this terrible awful corrupt treatment from those 'heathens' on the other 'side.'

I believe there would be huge differences between a Sanders, O'Malley or Clinton presidency and a Republican presidency. In other words, the difference between a republican presidency and a democratic presidency are enormous. I think the differences between what a Sanders, Clinton or O'Malley can actually accomplish are slim. So it's ignorant to me when folks make way more of those rhetorical differences than I feel they deserve.

[Darb]

49. Over-flowing crock of shit.

How did you berners get inside Hillary's head and know her innermost thoughts? Quick question, what is Putin thinking right now?

[Kalidurga]

61. Putin is thinking about bombing Syria.

[rhett o rick]

85. I judge her by her actions and what she says. I would hope you agree that money is

corrupting our government. She has no problem accepting millions of dollars from the super wealthy. And you'd be naive if you believe that the super wealthy that give her millions don't have an agenda. To them it's an investment that they hope to gain huge dividends from. Over the last 40 years the super wealthy have been bleeding the 99% dry of wealth and natural resources. Recently when asked about the problems associated with accepting money from billionaires she responded with something like, "If people think that big money donations will influence me, they don't know me." Notice it wasn't a denial, it was in fact a non-answer that she is famous for. Those giving the big donations know her very well and they aren't making a mistake in giving her money and expecting quid pro quo.

As far as what is Putin thinking? He would love to see HRC win because she is tough and will crank up the cold war and increase the power of the government to keep us safe. Putin knows from history what will happen if we continue to let our defense kill our budget.

I notice that instead of refuting what I said you resorted to vulgarities and insults. Seems typical when people don't have any arguments.

[sheshe2]

24. ...

[ejbr]

34. If these truths are not sinking in,

then apparently they do. She is undoubtedly progressive on social issues, her stance on Syrian refugees is on point. Still there are serious concerns about war and finance. You should feel free to ignore something you've read already as I ignore her numerous endorsements and poll numbers which don't allay my issues with her candidacy.

[MannyGoldstein]

18. Holding an action by Hillary pre version 6.0 against Hillary 7.x is an attack.

Holding a Hillary 6.x action against Hillary 7.x is merely right-wing bull@#$&.

Got it?

Regards,

TWM

[ucrdem]

20. Forever edition:

[lovemydog]

25. Like your seven years of 'constructive criticism'

of President Obama. Oh wait that wasn't TWM. That was 'real' M. Hard to tell which is which.

[frylock]

75. We should just trust our President..

[lovemydog]

101. LOL. Yes, that's one silly extreme.

The other, I pointed out above.

[Darb]

53. Bernie is behind solidly, sorry, no amount of ridiculous VRWC

talking points, peppered with convoluted, gumby-like twisting of her words will bring him back. It will be over by April.

You should consider a more reasoned approach to achieving your socialist utopia. It will never come via the election of Bernie Sanders because he will not win. I know you believe that if only the people knew about him, or knew about what he believes, or understood what he believes, then he would win in a landslide because voters would come out of the woodwork and elect him and his coattails would give him veto-proof majorities in the house and senate.

But that ain't gonna happen. Obama is pretty much center and cooperative, at least in the beginning, and the crazies vowed to block everything he did regardless of even if they support it. If he could win, Sanders would get a worse dose of Repubic stupidity. A president cannot change our economic problems. Only we can.

[DhhD]

74. Obama, New Democrat, was Right of Left, January 2009-December 2010, after being behind.

In 2008, Obama hid his New Democrat/Third Way, not expressing Down Ticket support. Sanders has not made that mistake.

HRC will not express down ticket support for Progressives. In thinking about HC April Campaign, she did not need Progressives in Congress. Come to think of it, neither did Bill Clinton.

http://newdemocratcoalition-kind.house.gov/membership
Last person on the membership roll is DWS.

Texans are in this membership roll. HRC came to Texas recently, Nov 2015, to visit the San Antonio Hispanic Chamber of Commerce. Millions of Hispanics in Texas and the southern Americas are furious with Clinton over NAFTA, taking down the Mexican workers nationalized oil industry, and her action and words on TPP. There are violent protests against the Clinton's privatization actions in Mexico,still to this day. Millions of Hispanics are registering to vote to make sure that Trump does not become president. They will be voting against TPP in the Primary.

http://www.thirdway.org/e-binder/your-one-stop-shop-on-the-trans-pacific-partnership

Why would HRC be opposed to the TPP as described by the Third Wayers? Lately, there is a disconnect between HRC and the her Third Way Record. She had to flip-flop to run against a Progressive like Bernie Sanders. If she wins the nomination she will be called out about her deception by Republicans. Please listen to what Trump and other Republicans are say about this very thing - HRC Record.

Will Hispanics vote in Nov 2016 for TPP by either a third wayer or the Extremist RW against Abortion? Is it your private business to go get an abortion or not. Hispanics realize that Democrats a not making someone have an abortion. Please listen all the way to the end.

IMO, HRC will lose TEXAS for the Democrats in Election of Nov 2016.

[Duckhunter935]

26. Damn straight

[Fuddnik]

28. It's not a mistaken impression.

They know it's the truth, but they're going to defend to the death. They're "all in", and a little bit of cognitive dissonance isn't going to change their Moonie-like devotion one iota.

[BlueStateLib]

30. If I said that I would of been alerted and hidden

[Darb]

54. The pot and the kettle are humping again.

Damn you guys are good at pot/kettle porn.

[Punkingal]

31. Amen!

[freedom fighter jh]

38. Suggestion:

On DU, when accused of smear attacks, we Bernie supporters should ask for specific examples. "Why do you say we're constantly smearing Hillary? Can you give an example or two?" Maybe the smear accuser will show us where we can clean up our act. Or maybe the accuser won't have a good response.

[Old Codger]

79. Pretty much anything

That is "anti" hill is considered a smear by quite a lot of them... but coming in here and calling us names ie bernouts seems to be absolutely acceptable...

A really great thing happens when you put someone on ignore then reload the thread... all of the sudden it becomes much more enjoyable reading

[BeanMusical]

40. Kick and R

[bigwillq]

41. K and R

[stupidicus]

42. What a Hillary smear looks like

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJty6voMRtcZoLrWbgNbxOw33P6rL_i-VpR4gyMkTsgPn9BGDT

what a Hillary smear isn't http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/hillary-clinton-likes-oba_b_4881399.html

now if one were to follow that revelation up with a question like "Why does HC enjoy so many dying or needlessly suffering due to a lack of insurance? Is she a nazi-like monster?", then that question would make it a smearing effort.

[dsc]

43. yeah the person who called her fat and mentally challenged wasn't smearing her at all

[Armstead]

69. That's a smear. Discussing who is financing and supporting a candidate is not.

Nor is looking at the history of the candidate and his/her supporters, and citing patterns of behavior and policy.

Some personal characteristics of a candidate may or may not be a smear. It's a spectrum. Partially depends on how stated, and whether it is mocking characteristics relevant to governing or just a snarky insult.

[leftofcool]

73. Does your theory apply to Bernie as well?

Just checking.

[Armstead]

98. Sure...Unless something is really old and stupid

Same with Hillary.

But I do realize the difference between relevant history and "something old and stupid" is in the eye of the beholder.

(Also, how they address it in the present day is relevant though.)

[Darb]

44. Don't alert on me Bro*, but that's a bunch of bullshit.

Without doubt. Talk about Bernie, his ideas, his accomplishments, and most of all, act in a way that reflects his good nature and civility.

Many of you do not do that. Which is why a great many of us believe that your ranks are not completely filled with actual Bernie supporters.



* - Trigger warning for petal-soft alert abusers of hard truth to come.

[DhhD]

78. Are you talking about the political sense in America, after the take down of Hillarycare by

the Clinton's good nature and civility? Seems that there was a difference between 1994 Hillarycare privatization and single payer. It is called third way-vacant of single payer or no public option allowed. Thank you Bernie - From his supporters. HRC record is very visible to Bernie Supporters and Republicans, but may not be to others.

http://www.thirdway.org/issue/health-care

[Darb]

90. Sorry to have to ask this, and no offense meant,

but can someone translate that post for me? I do not understand it.

[TBF]

50. I just agree with Bernie on more issues -

I took an internet quiz and although this was a few months ago I remember roughly where I was on the issues. It came down something like 99% agreement with Bernie, 74% with Hillary, 52% with Jeb!, and 0% with Ted Cruz (ha! not unexpected).

So that informs my voting. Hillary is my 2nd choice.

[SidDithers]

51. Neither is posting a poll showing Bernie losing by 30 points...nt

Sid

[boston bean]

55. You are right, rather it is

the oligarchy or the media assisting in getting Hillary elected and getting the revolution squashed!

This is how many think... Never mind the fact that the media HATES Hillary Clinton with a passion. They hate her husband as well, since 1992.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

52. Truth, and facts, are the very best attack against unscrupulous politicians. Sunshine disinfects. nt

[treestar]

56. Oh come on

Like Bernie supporters don't do that same thing.

[lovemydog]

57. Most people with any opinion can back them up with facts.

Or 'facts.' It's still a difference of opinion.

Of course not all criticisms of Clinton are smears. But to claim that your opinion, backed up with facts or 'facts' is somehow the truth (or especially the only truth) - well, that to me just smacks of self-righteousness and failure to understand the other supporters' point of view.

[upaloopa]

59. You have what you CALL the truth. But calling it truth doesn't make it so.

The truth:
Wall Street firms cannot contribute to campaigns.
Individuals who work on wall street can and do contribute to Hillary's campaign but that doesn't make them the enemy
Hillary did represent Manhattan on 9/11
Hillary did help Manhattan rebuild
Many of her old Manhattan constituents contribute to her campaign.
Hillary does have a record of working for homeowners and against Wall Street as Senator.
Glass Steagall does nothing about shadow banks which were the cause of the 2007-08 economic crisis.
Bernie does nothing about shadow banks which caused the 2007-08 economic crisis.

[AlbertCat]

62. B-b-but Bernie's in the pocket of Big Beet Sugar!

That was a joke BTW....

[Enthusiast]

68. Kicked and recommended for the non-smear truth campaign!

[Zorra]

70. K&R for truth!

Well said, Unknown Beatle.

[Unknown Beatle]

112. Thanks!

I needed that.

[Major Hogwash]

80. If Bernie wasn't such a serious threat, you wouldn't see them come here every day.

To call Bernie's supporters names for supporting Bernie.
Or tell lies about Bernie's voting record.
Or just flat out distort what Bernie said.
Or conflate what a vote for war is about.

[Buzz Clik]

81. I'm sorry. You're of the opinion that Hillary supporters come to DU...

... only because Sanders is a serious threat?

And when it comes to the endless tirades, parades of insults, and insane distortions, a little introspection is in order.

[MaggieD]

82. Truth?

[WillyT]

86. K & R !!!

[monicaangela]

88. Truth is Truth

[Eko]

89. Read this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=553572
Its one thing to talk about her record, quite another to suggest she is fond of something.

[bvar22]

102. Wow....all the way from August 28th!

BUSY, busy, busy.


You DO know that Hillary REFUSED to sign an international ban on Cluster Bombs?
Yes?
....those are the bright little toys that our military & Warmongers leave spread all over the country that blows little children's arms off, or worse.

Indiscriminate Weapons

*Cluster bombs are designed as anti-personnel, anti-armor weapons, but the primary victims have been innocent civilians. More than 98% of known cluster bomb victims are civilians and 40% are children, who are drawn to the small, toy-like metal objects.

*Cluster bomb casings release hundreds of bomblets—the size of a soup can or orange—over wide areas, frequently missing intended military targets and killing nearby civilians.

*Commonly used cluster bombs are designed to explode into hundreds of pieces of razor-sharp shrapnel that rip through bodies. They are deadlier than land mines.

*Anywhere from 2% to 20% of modern cluster munitions do not detonate upon impact (this rate rises to 30% for older bombs used in the second Indochina War), leaving a deadly hazard for years to come.

http://legaciesofwar.org/resources/cluster-bomb-fact-sheet/

I can NOT understand why anyone with a human heart would NOT sign a ban on these horrific weapons,
and neither can the author of the post you cited.
I agree with that post.
If anything, the level of outrage was muted and polite.

[Eko]

104. But guns are OK.

[Eko]

105. 36 people a day are killed by guns,

And that's only in America. More people are killed by guns every year than cluster bombs. Sanders thinks we should not ban guns, are you outraged by this?

[Maedhros]

92. That's OK, Hillary supporters...

[marym625]

96. Yes, they would prefer facts weren't facts.

And instead of addressing which ever the particular fact is, they just say, "well Bernie guns, or misogynist, or racist, or whatever the talking points of the day is."

No one. Not one person, has addressed No Child Left Behind and the downfall in education because of it. Nor the bankruptcy bill. And the Patriot Act, that used to be a horror for all DUers, seems to be a non issue for Hillary supporters now.

#FeelTheBern #Bernie2016

[santafe52]

106. Very disappointed in so-called Sanders supporters

DU has become a cesspool of attacks on Hillary Clinton by people who support Bernie Sanders and, very likely, people who PRETEND to support Bernie Sanders.

Bernie is a damn good man and I'm sure he would be disgusted with the constant, incessant abuse his "supporters" heap on his opponent on DU.

I was firmly in the Bernie camp but have moved to Hillary because of this site.

Thank you, Hillary supporters, for staying above the fray.

She will be a great president and I hope Bernie Sanders will continue to have a strong, steady voice in Democratic politics for years to come.

There are many, many people who visit this site just to attack Hillary Clinton. Those people deserve a President Trump. Hopefully, they won't get what they deserve.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

107. At 5 posts per year, I'm surprised this is bothering you. But to each their own.

Above the fray though? Comedy may not be your thing.

[frylock]

109. Thank you, Hillary supporters, for staying above the fray.

hillaryclintonsupporters.com

[Fed up in NJ]

108. Interesting read

This kinda sums thing up for me about Hillary. I am pulling for Bernie but in the end, I know deep down I still have to turn out and vote for whomever is on the Dem ticket. If it's Bernie GREAT! If its Hillary, Republican Light is better than full blown Republican.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/hillary-clinton-simply-cant-stand-wall-st-it-built-her-political-career-and-brought

[stevenleser]

110. If Sanders supporters really believed what's written in this OP, they would not have

Voted to hide this post by NuclearDem which satirically repeats actual comments by Sanders supporters: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=825610

But again, there are one set of rules for Sanders supporters here and a much more stringent set of rules for Hillary supporters. And Sanders supporters will violate any rules they say they live by, i.e. as suggested in this OP if someone disagrees with them or if they think it will benefit Sanders to do so.