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Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:36 PM Nov 2015

What the national polls show and analysis

Huffington Post (Average of several polls)

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary


Real Clear Politics (average of several polls)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html

Analysis: Hillary is winning but Bernie is actually doing pretty well considering what he's up against. But hey there are going to be more polls later that will reflect the second debate and recent events like the terrorism.

Prediction: Bernie will win after making an awesome speech about democratic socialism that changes America forever.

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What the national polls show and analysis (Original Post) Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 OP
Some fine, objective analysis. NuclearDem Nov 2015 #1
Yep thanks Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #2
I've already turned in my copy of Excel Godhumor Nov 2015 #6
Prediction: 72DejaVu Nov 2015 #3
come on person look at these charts Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #4
Lol.... Your "prediction" reminds me of this: Adrahil Nov 2015 #5
LOL yes that's not too far off... Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #9
I detected a bit of humor in your post. Adrahil Nov 2015 #10
Charts show me that among dem leaning respondents there's not enough of them undecided HereSince1628 Nov 2015 #7
Yeah probably. Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #8
When is his speech? Thanks. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #11
Sanders' increase is completely solid and not subject to horse-race rules, wherease Clinton's "bounc MisterP Nov 2015 #12
 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
1. Some fine, objective analysis.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:40 PM
Nov 2015

Completely grounded in reality as well.

Just fire all those morons with the stats degrees and run with this.

72DejaVu

(1,545 posts)
3. Prediction:
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:59 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie fans will present NBC with millions of signatures on their petitions to have Bernie host Saturday Night Live.

They will agree to have him host, and the show's rating will be higher than the series finale of M*A*S*H.

Bernie will be so funny, while simultaneously making the case that America is a oligarchic hellhole, that by the time the show ends, his poll numbers will top 90%.

Hillary will withdraw from the race on Sunday Morning. O'Malley will try to counter the Bernmentum by doing a voiceover on The Simpsons, but no one will recognize him, and his campaign will collapse as well.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
9. LOL yes that's not too far off...
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 12:01 PM
Nov 2015

Well I'm not sure how firm or committed some to the Clinton voters are at this point. She's almost like the "generic Dem" on the ballot, like the default choice.

It doesn't seem very likely for Sanders to win at this point. I was just trying to be optimistic.
 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
10. I detected a bit of humor in your post.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:54 PM
Nov 2015

I am a Clinton supporter, but I do deeply admire Bernie Sanders. I do not think he can win the generals, but I'd still proudly pull the lever for him, if it came to that.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
7. Charts show me that among dem leaning respondents there's not enough of them undecided
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 08:59 AM
Nov 2015

If Sanders is going to get the nomination, it's going to take a flipping of 8-10 percent of Clinton voters, or getting a huge proportion of non-dem leaning voters suddenly participating in the primaries. He's also going to have to win among the remaining undecided. While the undecided have not quickly announced being drawn to Clinton. There's no reason to believe that they are dominated by people who lean to 'other than Clinton'.

Sanders might appeal to many independents, and non-dem lefties, maybe even some republicans tired of the status quo, but they must play in the primaries to make a difference. I haven't really seen evidence of that shift forming at this time.

So, my take on Bernie's chances is, he needs a national event that moves many dem leaning polling participants towards him.

He clearly would benefit from some big movement that involved minorities. While I have no crystal ball, that actually seems like a very big job under within the prevailing environment.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
8. Yeah probably.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 11:55 AM
Nov 2015

What you said is right but...

Let's say maybe Sanders voters are being underpolled somewhat, like if they're being missed because of cell phones. That can be part of the equation. Also if he's bringing in a lot of first time voters than can affect this. At this point the best chance for Sanders is really if Clinton makes a huge fumble and the media heavily reports it. It just doesn't seem very likely.


MisterP

(23,730 posts)
12. Sanders' increase is completely solid and not subject to horse-race rules, wherease Clinton's "bounc
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:51 PM
Nov 2015

is strictly from Biden backers, one mainstream candidate transferring to another even as the mainstream's total keeps shrinking

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