Talking points are out about the Debates

[ibegurpard]

We really don't give a shit when they're scheduled...people can just record them or use teh Internetz. Getting our message out is unimportant because no one is paying attention right now.
Have I covered all the bases?

[99th_Monkey]

1. Debates don't matter, because someone once said so. -nt-

[ibegurpard]

57. yup

A memo definitely went out

[demwing]

2. Another...the "Please proceed, Republicans" talking point

Which pretends to ask: "DWS is just handing the Republicans the rope they need to hang themselves. Why should we get in the way?"

[ibegurpard]

16. Which begs the increasingly legitimate question

Ineptitude or sabotage?

[demwing]

31. I'll go all in

and select "BOTH"

[MaggieD]

3. If Bernie was as inspiring as you all claim

Why would it matter what day of the week they were on? I will watch all of them either live or recorded. Why try to make excuses for people that can't be bothered?

Sounds to me like you're just trying to find a feeble way to blame the Dem party for a perceived lack of interest in your candidate.

[sufrommich]

4. This. This seems to be leading to excuse #1 for

why Sanders didn't win.

[MaggieD]

6. We really should start an excuses list at this point

Just for fun. It's getting a bit ridiculous.

[MoonRiver]

21. Imagine what that list will look like after Hillary wins the primary!

[NCTraveler]

40. Over the last month they really have moved into excuse territory.

Laying out reason after reason as to why the greatest thing since sliced bread can't win. It's never about his life of not networking, his lack of plans, the fact he didn't want to do this in the first place, etc.....

[Autumn]

7. I want young people involved and voting.

Even if it's for Hillary, but good luck with just, as one calls them, "the old codgers" who pay attention and vote.

[Ed Suspicious]

8. Oh, I don't know. Maybe because, while inspiring, his message hasn't been the zeitgeist for the past

35 years and so it needs a good public airing.

[Ed Suspicious]

9. If Hillary's is inspiring, why wouldn't the Democratic Party want to shout it from the rooftops?

[MaggieD]

11. She's winning isn't she?

More Union endorsements, more super delegates, in every poll taken. I guess time will tell, but it seems to me she is inspiring far more than he is.

[Cali_Democrat]

44. Your assumption is based on the false notion that he represents the progressive wing of the party

Progress is about getting things done. Saying you want single payer health care and a $15 minimum wage means nothing when you have no real plan.

That's grandstanding, not progress.

[MaggieD]

48. Well it's like this....

Bernie spent 25 years emphatically declaring to all of us that he is NOT a Democrat. Are you upset that I took him at his word? I don't consider him part of the Democratic party because he has stated over and over and over that he is not.

In addition, he is pro gun and anti-immigrant, and seems utterly clueless or just disinterested in FP, PoC issues, and women's rights.

His supporters seem to spend most of their time bashing a person who has devoted her life to the Dem agenda and building up the coalitions needed to win. For that reason I strain to believe many of you are Democrats. It's very hard to tell the difference between his supporters and republicans, IMO.

So no, I will not be supporting Bernie.

[MaggieD]

52. Most of who?

Not unions. Not elected officials. Not the people being polled.

[Juicy_Bellows]

58. Welcome to DU.

[PowerToThePeople]

10. The debates are not for those people

They are for those who typically do not follow politics.

[MaggieD]

14. But Bernie is not inspiring them to watch?

[PowerToThePeople]

18. He is inspiring them to vote for him.

[MaggieD]

22. So we can stop whining about the debates then?

[PowerToThePeople]

24. Apples and oranges.

eom

[Cheese Sandwich]

12. I don't find him "inspiring". But I like his ideas despite the fact he is uninspiring.

At the same time I find Hillary very inspiring. Because as the first woman president just that idea is inspiring. But I don't really like her ideas though.

[BlueCaliDem]

33. ^^^This^^^

Nailed it on the head.

[brooklynite]

5. One more -- Hillary keeps winning them...

Either outright, or winning by not losing.

[ibegurpard]

13. completely irrelevant

If someone wins a debate did it happen if no one watched it?

[MaggieD]

15. Yes.

Thanks for asking.

[brooklynite]

20. So Bernie Sanders didn't win either...

Not what I recall reading here.

[ibegurpard]

28. And again whoosh..

Please ask your brilliant campaign friends their plan to activate an electorate with complete Hillary saturation and underwater approval ratings when we let Republicans control the narrative unchallenged. Running against Republicans isn't enough. And if you think this country has changed enough from the country that elected Reagan and Bush you are deluding yourself.

[brooklynite]

34. Perhaps you should do the same?

If Sanders can't get Democrats to vote for him on a national level, I'm not sure how he'll do it with Republicans.

[ibegurpard]

39. this isn't about Bernie

It's about a fucking stupid strategy to ignore opportunities to get out a Democratic message that is even going to harm the awful candidate it was designed to help. It's all about Hillary for you...the rest of the party.be damned.

[brooklynite]

41. The viewership of the last debate was 8.5 M, or about 25% of the Democratic Electorate...

I consider that a fairly good approximation of the proportion of Democrats who care about this three months out.

[ibegurpard]

46. what YOU consider is not relevant

You like data right? You just referenced some...which shows FAR less people are watching the Democratic debates. Interested Democrats are not sufficient to push a lackluster candidate like Hillary over the top. We've given them the entire summer and fall to spew their nonsense unchallenged. That is such incredibly awful strategy it's breathtaking...and it's all to benefit Hillary.

[Juicy_Bellows]

59. Come Hillary or high water!

I am afraid if this keeps up it will trickle to the other offices up for election and we will see a tidal wave of red.

One thing the 'cons got is voter turnout - if we can't get some people excited we are going to get our collective asses handed to us.

[frylock]

47. 25% of 30% of the electorate..

BFD.

[brooklynite]

53. Show me evidence that that untapped 70% will come out for Sanders...

[frylock]

54. Show me evidence that 100% of registered Democrats will come out for Hillary.

[brooklynite]

23. How about 25% of the Democratic electorate?

8.5 M viewers; 36 M Primary votes in 2008.

[winter is coming]

17. Yes, we can win this election with fewer voters! Go us!!! n/t

[Autumn]

26. Yay us! We can convert those republicans as soon as they watch a few

few minutes of Trump, Carlson and crew.....!!!

[ibegurpard]

43. doncha know

They'll just see how crazy they are and come running straight to us...
Yeah an electorate that elected Reagan and Bush.
Oh and the "Yeah but Republicans now are so much crazier" argument? Tell that to the defeated Senate Democrats in 2014 who have been replaced by right wing teabaggers.

[PowerToThePeople]

19. DWS is undemocratic

Imo, she is working for the Republican party.

[ibegurpard]

55. Well we know she worked against challengers

To some of her Republican colleagues in Florida.

[PowerToThePeople]

56. Yes. Republican is as Republican does. n/t

[NCTraveler]

25. Remember the good old days when we use to joke about incorrect spelling with conservatives.

Now right here on du it is being used to mock progressives. This place has gone to shit. Vince Foster, Overweight, Emails, Lincoln Bedroom.... It's hard to tell certain group from the right any more. Funny thing is, they are claiming to be on the left. I no longer buy the bullshit and see it for what it is.

[MaggieD]

27. Agreed

Just had a Hillary hater in another thread tell me s/he is not a Democrat. No surprise. I remember when this was a site for DEMOCRATS, but apparently it's not any more.

[NCTraveler]

30. Literally mocking the intelligence of people for no other reason than supporting Clinton.

Just like the right. I have heard them say "broke clock" so many times lately when mentioning they are agreeing with the right. If one evokes "broke clock" multiple times a week it is because they are in agreement with one and other, not a rarity as the phrase is suppose to show.

[ibegurpard]

29. Keep telling yourself that

When we get to the General and we have a severely flawed candidate unable to gain any traction while we wasted these opportunities to get SOMETHING out there that Democrats stand for. I'll be sure to rub your face in it when I see you doing it.

[NCTraveler]

32. "I'll be sure to rub your face in it when I see you doing it."

That is all it is about to you. One thing I really like about recent events is that people are showing what they are really about. It has been eye opening. People here mocking progressives spelling. That is some straight up freeper shit.

[ibegurpard]

35. No that's no what it's all about for me

However being able to throw this ineptitude back in your face will be one of the few bright spots in the upcoming electoral disaster you are cheerleading.

[NCTraveler]

38. "However being able to throw this ineptitude back in your face"

That is all you are about. You said it wasn't then made the same angry and hostile claim again. It's impressive how you mock the spelling of progressives, are this blatant, and still people don't get it. Job well done on you part.

[Juicy_Bellows]

60. If I may jump in here uninvited.

What I believe ibegurpard is saying is that the only silver lining from an HRC nomination with no debate coverage is that when she inevitably loses and everyone is upset those of us on the right side of history get the lame prize of 'I told you so'.

It's not much, but it's all we will have.

And we'll get blamed for not coming out and supporting her, if we're even allowed to continue to be members of DU.

I've already stated that I will likely leave or get my pizza if she is nominated - I'd like to stay and play friendly but this place is getting weirder by the minute.

[ibegurpard]

63. He or she knows that's what I meant

Willful ignorance

[Juicy_Bellows]

64. I'll chaulk it up to wasted keystrokes.

It won't be the first or last time.

You catch more bees with honey but then you get stung.

Cheers!

[Dem2]

37. If 10 more were added

would it change anything?

[ibegurpard]

42. maybe not

But we could try having them on prime time network television instead of burying them on weekends and holidays on cable.

[Todays_Illusion]

49. You missed the main talking point derived by CBS adding the Paris tradegy to the debate a reason to

make the false claim that Bernie Sanders is weak on foreign policy.

[ibegurpard]

50. this isn't even about the actual issues

It's about the monumentally fucking stupid statements that it's a good idea to deliberately bury our debates.

[Juicy_Bellows]

61. I think you forgot one.

Cheers.