Dear Bernie Supporters! Keep Up The Good Work. We Are Winning & Here's How We Know!

[sabrina 1]

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Imagine you are the leadership of a Political Party.

You believe your candidate is a shoe-in.

You see no serious challenge to your candidate as you prepare to launch her/his campaign.

Why?

Mostly because NO ONE ELSE has the MONEY to launch a serious challenge to your incredibly well funded candidate!

And in YOUR world, MONEY TALKS!

With no serious challenge on the horizon you know your candidate can pretty much IGNORE what most polls show the PEOPLE WANT.

Things like a $15 minimum wage. Free college for students who are qualified. End student debt. Get rid of the draconian Bankruptcy laws, stop the Wars, cut the Pentagon budget, no TPP and the big one, GET THE MONEY OUT OF POLITICS etc etc

All s/he has to do is talk around the issues the people care about, sound better than the other guys, and the nomination is already in the bag.

You'll worry about the GE when you get there, move to the RIGHT if you have to, whatever it takes, but you will have the MONEY to put up a good fight against them. And the more of that MONEY you have, you think, the better the odds are you will win.

As everyone knows by now and YOU believe: MONEY TALKS! That's what it takes to win elections in the US now!

But then something you never anticipated happens!

Someone with virtually no name recognition, no Corporate funding, someone with a long, long people-oriented anti-corporate takeover of our government record on the VERY ISSUES THAT MATTER TO THE PEOPLE steps forward!

MOST OF ALL! He is running AGAINST CITIZENS UNITED. Not just TALKING about it, but refusing to take that money!

At first you think 'well, fine, he isn't going anywhere so we don't have to worry, he has NO MONEY, no one even KNOWS WHO HE IS! We'll keep an eye on him, but he has FUNNY HAIR and no one is going to take him SERIOUSLY!'

But then amazing thing begins to happen.

The people rally around this guy, they don't care about his hair, they LIKE the 'Optics'. They LOVE what he is saying!

Huge crowds come out to hear him speak and keep on GROWING.

The impossible, or so you thought, happens. HE DEFEATS YOUR 'inevitable candidate' in the polls in NH!

What to do? This is just AWFUL!! Money isn't talking the way it used to. In fact the PEOPLE HATE THAT MONEY!

But inside your DC bubble this makes no SENSE.

But it is HAPPENING. Your candidate's numbers start trending downwards everywhere the PEOPLE get to KNOW this candidate, after they hear his message! His numbers, amazingly, start trending UPWARDS!

Something has to be done!

Bernie supporters, THIS is how we KNOW how successful the people have been.

We know because the Super Pacs have been called in to disseminate SMEARS against the People's Candidate.

They include all the same old 'TALKING POINTS' that have their roots in the kind of smear campaigns that money buys whenever the status quo feels threatened.

They don't seem to be having much effect this time though.

Maybe the New Media has something to do with that, the quick responses calling out the smears before they take hold, whatever, the People's Candidate keeps on drawing the crowds, gaining more and more supporters, his base GROWING not DIMINISHING.

THEY have the Corp Media, whose lobbyists are working for THEIR candidate.

THEY have the CU facilitated Money flowing into the Super Pacs.

THEY have the Party Machine capable of pressuring people into early endorsements.

Fine, that's how politics in this country has worked.

AND they have the POWER to LIMIT the DEBATES and they have used it.

The very fact that they are AFRAID to let the PEOPLE hear him SHOWS how successful he is.

So rather than get MAD about all the ways in which they are trying to STOP the People's Candidates, we should see that all of the ways in which they ARE TRYING, is absolute proof of just how SCARED of him they are.

So DESPITE all the MONEY and POWER there are MORE OF US than there ARE OF THEM.

And the ONLY thing people have to do is keep on doing what they have been doing.

Because it's working.

We have a great candidate, one who truly does and has represented a majority of the people.

And the Establishment is scared to death of him!

They wouldn't be wasting all that time, money and effort on him if they weren't.

Take it for what it is, a sign that Bernie is truly resonating with the people who count the most, VOTERS!



Bernie on fire at Cleveland Rally this Past Weekend!

What Bernie's campaign has accomplished so far is UNPRECEDENTED! I admit that I did not think it was possible for him to get anywhere near where he is. Sometimes it good to be proven wrong.

Now I KNOW he can go all the way!

Go Bernie!

[NCTraveler]

1. This made me smile. Big K&R for the smile. nt.

[lewebley3]

51. No, Hillary is winning

[NCTraveler]

52. I agree. Clinton is winning in every single way. With damn near every single group.

I'm not sure why Sanders supporters haven't started yelling about how Clinton is in the pockets of unions. lol.

[AgingAmerican]

69. She is in the pockets of banks

Unions don't have deep pockets.

[Duckfan]

88. I would much rather be in the pockets of labor unions than Wall Street anytime.

Unions have a better effect on peoples lives than a corrupt and criminal financial institution. And I would be proud to brag about it too.

[MoonRiver]

99. Sorry but labor unions endorse Hillary.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/seiu-clinton-endorsement_564b640ce4b08cda348ac48c
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/23/politics/afscme-hillary-clinton-endorsement/

[LiberalLovinLug]

129. Not all of them

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/12/politics/bernie-sanders-union-endorsement/

And not the rank and file

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/09/29/rank-and-file-teachers-object-nations-biggest-union-weighs-early-clinton-endorsement

[Amimnoch]

221. True. Only the majority that have chosen to back a candidate do.

[Plucketeer]

98. Dame Hillary is for the People

She's for the "people" that the SCOTUS identified and Mitt Rmoney stood in defense of. And they're "voicing" their support of her - one five figure utterance at a time!

[rhett o rick]

144. I have wondered why Democrats would side with the big money that is obviously trying

to literally buy the presidency. Democrats are supposed to be for the People not Big Corporations. So why would Democrats side with those that clearly don't want democracy but an oligarchy? They pretend to think that HRC is really for the People in spite of all the evidence contrary. She accepts very large amounts for her foundation, for her campaign, and for her personal wealth. Those that donate (invest) have expectations to get a large return for their money. So why would Democrats side with the 1% and turn their backs on the 99%? I know but would like to hear what you think.

[Pharaoh]

177. ^^this^^

[Amimnoch]

222. If they did you'd have a good point. But.. they don't despite the election year hyperbole.

[sabrina 1]

61. Just like she was in 2008! I like that! I remember it well!

[Beartracks]

140. Oh, crap! Was today Election Day??

No, wait. It's not even 2016 yet.

You had me confused when you said someone was "winning" already.

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[BeanMusical]

184. No, Hillary is whining.

[lewebley3]

240. Sander's supporters are whining

[BeanMusical]

241. So you wanna play "I know you are but what am I"?

[lewebley3]

242. No, but I won't let you get away with attacking Hillary

[BeanMusical]

243. I know you are but what am I?

[lewebley3]

244. I do know what you are

[BeanMusical]

245. And what would that be?

[peacebird]

2. Great OP, Sabrina 1!

[whatchamacallit]

3. Like stepping into sunshine

Thanks Sabrina!

[think]

6. +1 great analogy!

[bigwillq]

4. K and R

[WillyT]

5. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[Dem2]

7. Good post

[upaloopa]

8. If you can't broaden your support above 25% to 30%

of the base you aren't going to win the nomination.

Even after two debates there is no bump for Bernie.

But any port in a storm I guess.

[sabrina 1]

10. If with all of the advantages your candidate has you lose over 30% of your support

just among your BASE, naturally you are going to be very worried about the GE where the OTHER candidate, who according to Conventional Wisdom should still be penniless and with no more than 5% support, is BEATING Republicans due to HIS crossover appeal while yours is not.

[DownriverDem]

25. Question for you

Do you or don't you want a Dem win in Nov. 2016? I will vote for whoever gets the Dem nomination (Hillary or Bernie). I get the feeling that many Bernie supporters will not vote for Hillary. Too many of them sound like repub haters.

So will you support the Dem nominee?

[aspirant]

30. Keep trying with these Loyalty Oaths

because w/o Bernie supporters she's toast

[Sheepshank]

40. 99% of those that say they won't vote unless it's their darling, are Bernie supporters

new post you responded to is correct.

[aspirant]

49. Weren't they called PUMAS?

[BeanMusical]

185. +1

[sabrina 1]

63. If you are confident in your candidate's ability to win the GE you don't need to demand

people take a loyalty oath to vote for her/him. Note, Bernie supporters do not ask that question, why? Because they know their candidate will win the GE.

Why are you so uncertain of your candidate that you feel the need to demand people vote for her? Are you afraid she can't win the GE?

[Sheepshank]

137. I haven't asked anyone to take any loyalty oaths nt

[Nitram]

123. Persuasion is not a demand for a loyalty oath. Are you threatening...

..."vote for my candidate or I'm going to take my vote and go home?" That's childish in the extreme. As is throwing words like "toast" around as if this is a video game.

[aspirant]

165. Tea and toast are a breakfast staple

I vote for my candidate, you vote for yours, that's what voters do.

[sabrina 1]

191. You don't seem to have much faith in your candidate! I KNOW my candidate will

get enough support in the GE to win. So I don't need to try to force anyone to vote for him. Try persuasion, tell people what your candidate stands for instead of trying to get them to swear to vote for her IF she wins. I don't have ANY problem signing people up for my candidate. I wonder why you are so worried?

[Capn Sunshine]

199. Maybe he can win the GE

Yes but first he has to get the nomination. Right now there's no surging groundswell. Fighting this on DU is worthless. If somehing doesn't change out there all this internet rah rah will fade into the cruel reality of a failed campaign fought without enough on ground support because everyone is good at posting but no one seems to understand the real world of articulating electoral victory.

[sabrina 1]

211. Big problem for those who think he can't win the nomination. They are unaware of the groundswell

of support Bernie has among Independents, now the largest voting bloc in the country, among non-voters who are now energized to vote for someone who actually represents them finally, from Repubs sick to death of their own extremist party finding Bernie as they say 'to be honest, sincere even if I don't agree with him on some things he's REFRESHING' and among Libertarians who are saying now that Paul was a fraud, misled them, but Bernie is HONEST and has the record to show it.

None of these demographics are reflected in polls we are seeing. Only DEMS who are registered, which now down to just 32% of the electorate and Bernie already has one third of THAT group.

In open primary states people don't have to register as Dems to vote in the primaries, and the date in most closed states for switching parties, hasn't come yet, except in NY, which is why I made sure to get those I knew down to register by Oct 9th.

So no poll right now has come even close to gauging Sanders support, they CAN'T.

The groundswell is there, it will become apparent only when all those people register as Dems when they have to.

[sabrina 1]

32. The Dem nominee is going to be the best candidate we've had the privilege to vote for

in a long time, so absolutely, why would you even have to ask?

I would think THAT question would only be asked as anxiously as it generally IS, if you felt you didn't have the best candidate as the nominee.

I have absolute faith that my candidate is so good he will will appeal to the majority of voters, across the political spectrum so it never accurs to me to ask that question.

[AlbertCat]

60. I get the feeling that many Bernie supporters will not vote for Hillary.

Why should we care about feelings?


If Clinton wins the primary, I know it will be for the same reason Bush won his.

[Scootaloo]

81. Hillary supporters, of all people, demanding loyalty makes me laugh and laugh and laugh

[Nitram]

102. Scootaloo, enough with the straw man of loyalty oaths. It's so tiresome.

An appeal to Bernie supporters to vote for Clinton if she wins the nomination is not a loyalty oath. Just you framing your fellow Democrats as fascists. I haven't heard a single Clinton supporter "demand a loyalty oath." If rational persuasion is a demand for an oath in your book, you've got a screw loose.

[Scootaloo]

113. The assumption that we won't, and the persistent browbeating tells another story.

Fact is? we're not the ones with the track record. clinton supporters dropped and ran when a black man became the nominee in 2008, and I have absolutely no doubts - none whatsoever- that if a Jewish man becomes the nominee, you will do it again.

If anyone needs to constantly be affirming they will vote for whoever ht nominee is, it's Clinton supporters. You have expressed nothing but contempt, hatred, and often bigotry towards sanders, and if he is the nominee, I have no reason whatsoever to beleive you won't all run for Trump.

[Nitram]

120. No, Scoot, you're misusing words and misrepresenting the facts.

Browbeating? Reminding fellow Democrats that if a Republican wins the election it will be a disaster? You're victimhood has a very thin veneer. It is browbeating to accuse us of DEMANDING that YOU take a LOYALTY OATH, when no one has done any such thing, nor used any words of that kind. You are playing the victim while you are attacking your fellow Democrats. Cut it out! Can't you at least play fair with your fellow Democrats? If not, I suspect your projecting your personal view of politics on Clinton.

[Scootaloo]

124. It's CONSTANT. It's BEEN constant since at least 2013, when people started talking about Warren

The assumption that we won't vote for your candidate if she's the nominee and the accusations that we're "naderites" and the constant demands that we say over and over, and over, and over again that we will "fall in line" is, in fact browbeating. And it's not just annoying, it's hypocritical, when Clinton supporters have been marching around spewing a constant stream of hatred, contempt, and bigotry towards anyone who isn't already "falling in line". When you're the ones who "broke ranks" to run for McCain becuse you couldn't stomach voting for a black man.

[Nitram]

125. I voted for McCain? You sound delirious.

A small minority on both sides is spewing a constant stream of hatred, contempt, and bigotry towards anyone who isn't already "falling in line" with their preferred candidate. And you are collaborating with them when you accuse us off DEMANDING a LOYALTY OATH when we suggest any Democrat is better than a Republican president. If we're wrong, we're wrong, but we aren't demanding anything of you.

[Number23]

198. Very well said. All of your posts.

[rhett o rick]

146. How clever. You signed up in 2009 but have most of you posts in the last 90 days.

And here you are with the pat conservative Loyalty Oath aimed at getting progressives banned.

Well welcome anywayz. Give it your best shot.

[zappaman]

153. Why are you harassing a new poster with your allegations, Rick?

What are you trying to say exactly???

[tblue37]

183. That is silly. Of course we will vote for our nominee. Sure, there are a few loud Bernie supporters

who say they won't, but they are just a very vocal minority.

Oh, and I've seen posts here and elsewhere by people who insist that Bernie is not to be trusted and that they would never vote for him. One DU supporter of HRC calls Bernie horrible names (e.g., "slime," "scum," "con artist&quot . Nevertheless, I would not accuse most HRC supporters of such irrational attitudes against supporting Bernie if he wins the nomination.

[BainsBane]

62. Sanders is flush

He's raising enormous amounts of money, over $26 million last quarter alone. You can't claim he isn't well funded. He's got a huge number of supporters among the 1 percent, whether from Hollywood or corporate billionaires like Elom Musk.
And as much as you think only people who think exactly like you constitute "real people," the rest of us non-real people, including the poor and people of color, get a say in the election as well, and they support Clinton.

The same poll that shows Sanders beating Republicans shows Clinton winning by even greater margins.

[sabrina 1]

68. It's amazing isn't it? He's PROVING Hillary wrong wrt to have to take Corporate Money.

As you say, without taking advantage of CU which he opposes, he has succeeded in getting nearly one million individual donors who are NOT from Wall St. He is succeeding to attract more and more supporters WITHING Super Pacs, the backdoors of Corporate money into political campaigns.

Thanks for pointing that out, it is one of the most significant victories of his campaign so far.

[MoonRiver]

101. Despite all that he's still losing. n/t

[rhett o rick]

148. Why would Democrats choose the side of the 1% and turn their backs on the 99%?

Are they terrified to go against the big money? Enough to give up their freedoms and liberties? Are they oblivious about the 50 Americans living in poverty because the big money backed politicians have for decades been kowtowing to big money?

This is a class war and Sen Sanders is on the side of the People. HRC is sponsored by Goldman-Sachs and the 1%.

[MoonRiver]

150. I could not disagree with you more about HRC.

And the vast majority of the Democratic electorate agrees with me, not you.

[rhett o rick]

204. But you won't be caught dead actually discussing any issues will you? As far as your vast majority,

we'll see. American voters are starting to wake up to see the corruption in our government by big money. Now I'm guessing you like to side with big money and ignore the 50 million Americans living in poverty because.... Actually you'll have to tell me why you choose the 1% over the 99%. Actually I know. I read Eric Fromm's "The Authoritarian Personality".

[MoonRiver]

225. You assume a lot about someone you don't know.

Your only criteria for judging me is my preference for Hillary over Bernie. Sad in so many way.

[rhett o rick]

226. My criteria is that there are two sides in the class war. One side wants to help those in poverty,

our vets, stop wars, help our senior and college students, and the other side wants Free Trade that will cripple the 99% for decades to come. They want to frack for oil profits and to hell with drinking water for the 99%. One side is against big money in politics and the other relishes it. One side wants to fix our crumbling infrastructure and the other side wants more Corporate profits.

Granted our side is willing to take risks to help the unfortunate, while the other side seems to be willing to sacrifice, not only their freedoms and liberties, but the wellness of our troops, our seniors, our vets, our college students, for the comfort of strong, authoritative leadership. Goldman-Sachs doesn't love the 99% and neither will their bought and paid for politicians.

A vote for HRC is a vote for a continuation of the degradation of the middle and working classes over the last 30 plus years.

[MoonRiver]

227. That is a very simplistic and, frankly, narrow minded analysis, imo.

I don't think Bernie would approve of such a rigid ideology, but I could be wrong!

[rhett o rick]

228. If helping those in need instead of helping corporations is "rigid ideology", then I am guilty.

I have never been able to get anyone from your side to engage in a discussion about poverty, fracking, the TPP, the need to regulate Wall Street, shutting down private prisons, etc. I either get ignored or disparaged with insults (narrow minded).

I imagine that if HRC becomes president and corp profits skyrocket and so does the poverty rate (they are related), you will try to rationalize it as someone else's fault.

There are two sides, the People's side and the billionaire side. Come and join us. Let's fix the corrupt political system like Democrats should.

[MoonRiver]

229. "My side" lol?

No, I am not on the side of billionaires, and I don't join "sides."

[rhett o rick]

231. You are choosing to support and lobby for a candidate that given the choice has openly choosen

to accept the dirty money from the billionaires. They give her the money for a reason and if you accept her, you are accepting them.

They only want larger profits, even at the expense of those living in poverty. You are supporting a status quo that has brought death and havoc to the middle and working classes. You've picked a side.

[MoonRiver]

237. YOUR opinion.

As I stated previously I absolutely DO NOT agree.

[zappaman]

155. Well, according to you, Rick, maybe her supporters are trying to usher our country into fascism.

"Vote for HRC and let the country slide right into fascism."
Your words.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6658778

[sabrina 1]

194. Good question, but the more actual Democrats get to know Bernie, see Nina Turner eg

the more they will realize they DO have a choice. And that's our job, to keep spreading the word as we have been doing.

[rhett o rick]

205. Yes but we will never win over the authoritarians that are willing to give up their freedoms and

liberties for the promise of security. Please read Eric Fromm's essay on "The Authoritarian Personality". Free on the intertubes.

[sabrina 1]

232. I wouldn't even try! Thare are far more ordinary people who are truly waking up to

the whole scam and that is why they are so afraid.

[rhett o rick]

235. Sadly some are desparately trying to hold on to the idea that the Emperor has clothes

on. They will do anything to try to silence those trying to change the status quo.

[sabrina 1]

236. Why I'm not worried about those people is that they are very much in the minority

To win this election is going to require more than a % of the Dem base, which Bernie has already taken one third of.

That base has shrunk to only 32% of registered voters. The largest registered voting bloc now is Independents at approx 42% of registered voters. Not sure if this has ever happened before, where voters are literally fleeing both parties.

Repubs now down to only 29%.

And then there's the huge demographic that has dropped out of the system altogether, a demographic Bernie's campaign is beginning to bring back into the system.

Hillary has no crossover appeal. Bernie does. We are not seeing Bernie's full support in the practically hourly polls we are getting here every day.

Many are not registered and will probably wait, in open primary states to switch or sign up as Dems to vote in the primaries.

So those polls are for one reason only, to try to discourage voters from going with Bernie.

[zappaman]

238. Guess you deleted your comment "Vote for HRC and let the country slide right into fascism"

How come?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6658778

[sabrina 1]

192. You wish! And we've only just begun. Hillary's been doing this for decades. Bernie just

started a few months ago and is closing the gap with her every month since then. It truly is phenomenal.

[Betty Karlson]

216. That is the salient fact camp Clinton seems not to want to understand. eom

[DownriverDem]

18. Not only that

Since so many Bernie supporters are just hate attackers, I question who they are? They sound like repubs to me. Many Bernie supporters use repub talking points to blast Hillary. Repubs want Bernie to be the Dem nominee. They fear Hillary. I can't wait to vote for her!

[sabrina 1]

34. So a majority of people on this site are 'hate attackers' and 'Republicans' as far as you

are concerned? I wonder if you see the irony of your personal attack on a majority of the members of this site? I am certain most people here WILL see it.

What a sad post.

I would think you would rather tell people WHY they should vote for your candidate than attack millions of voters who have every right to decide for themselves who they think is the best candidate to lead this country.

[Sheepshank]

42. stop making up shit...poster did not say "Majority"

poster said "many"

[sabrina 1]

45. Poster came into this thread and personally ATTACKED Bernie supporters. Called them 'haters' and

'Republicans'. Poster surely is capable of speaking for him/herself!

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

176. Like I have said before.

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win.

[Ned_Devine]

39. Broad Brush

I'm not a "hate attacker" and I don't think most of the Bernie supporters here are either. Most of us have been on this site for over a decade and we believe in true progressive values that Bernie represents and has talked about for decades. What you may think of as repub talking points are more often than not just the cold hard facts of HRC's record of public service and her stance on issues in the past. The fear we have if Hillary is the nominee is that she will either lose in the GE or if she wins will just be another puppet for the Wall street 1%.

[Duval]

86. Yep! Good comment.

[Fuddnik]

83. You've been here for 58 posts, and you can tell everyone is hate attackers?

Oh! Since 2009.

Sleeper cell activated.

[sabrina 1]

195. Yep, and with the old Bernie supporter' talking point too! Hilarious, they must think WE are asleep

too!

[floriduck]

96. Democrats oppose the Citizens United decision.

Barack Obama said he opposed it. But when John McCain suggested they both use public financing, Obama said no. That's because he was getting big donations from corporate America.

Bernie opposes it, O'Malley opposes it. Republicans support the ruling. So if you are truly a Democrat, you have a responsibility to oppose that hideous Supreme Court ruling. Does Hill oppose it? I think not.

[Fawke Em]

29. What about folks who AREN'T the base.

There are people in closed primary states re-registering as Dems. Are the on the likely voter phone lists? Nope.

There are 16 (22 with caveats) states that have open primaries. Are those people on the likely voter lists as Democrats? Probably not. Hell, I can't even find the statistics about party registration in my state because it's likely no one keeps that info.

Polling the base in a election like this may turn into a shocker for TPTB,

I hope so.

[sabrina 1]

35. Like here in NY. I have helped previously non-voters to sign up as Dems in a state where they made

that date Oct 9th BEFORE the debates, yet another attempt to prevent people from voting for Bernie. So now if someone is a registered Indep. or Repub. and wants to switch after learning about Bernie, they cannot. Thanks again DNC for voter suppression in our state!

But we still have the very large non-voting demographic AND registered Dems to work on. Still it was a nasty thing to do to try to limit voters for anyone but their candidate.

[Bohunk68]

224. Came out of rehearsal last night here in Upstate. Vehicle next to me had a Bernie sticker.

Driver was inside, I nodded and we said we liked each other's stickers. He was waiting for his son to come out of basketball practice, so we chatted a few moments. He likes that he finally sees a candidate that speaks to him and his hippie parents. He is not happy with Hillary and those years of triangulation and a host of other less than noble stands. As to voting for Hill in the GE should she get the nomination, that is problematic. While he will certainly vote Dem down-ticket, not sure about the top slot. In any event, there is a year to go before election day. A lot can happen. As Granny used to say, There is many a slip betwixt the cup and the lip. I have a Bernie 2016 sticker on the driver's side rear window of mypickemtruck. Haven't gotten any one-finger salutes yet, but a lot of thumbs up. Lots of nominal Republics (here in a rural, and I do mean, rural county) who see the sticker and tell me that they like the common sense coming out of him. They fricking hate Hillary with a passion so strong that it is shocking. Even after all these years. They don't know much about O'Malley. Totally agree with me about the Klown Kar Kandidates. Are ashamed of them. Yeah, here in red red redneck Upstate NY. Amazing isn't it. There is a storm brewing. I have been feeling it stronger and stronger the last three years. Take a long-term look at things.

[aspirant]

9. Grass roots and the optics of these huge crowds

are the "Big Mo"

The enormous crowds are motivating people to pay attention and join.

Hills has no counter to this.

[DownriverDem]

15. Delegates not crowds

Hillary is running the same primary campaign that Obama ran in 2008. You win the primary nomination by racking up delegates. Don't you remember? When it became clear that Obama had enough delegates to win the nomination, Hillary conceded. She is racking up the delegates daily.

[aspirant]

22. Hills forced the primary to the very end,

even when she was toast.

Don't forget her underhanded way of trying to steal the the election by including Michigan and Florida votes.

Ran her campaign like Obama, what a joke.

[DownriverDem]

33. Not a joke

Are you a repub? You sound like one. She is running the same campaign as Obama. Racking up all the super delegates. Why do you act like I'm your enemy? I have waited my whole life to be able to vote for a qualified woman for president. Don't miss the lesson here. It is a BFD.

[aspirant]

38. Good, then write-in Elizabeth Warren for the GE

We have been waiting our whole lives to elect a progressive people's candidate and not a Wall Street corporatist. This is way beyond a BFD, this is for the survival of the Middle Class.

[SammyWinstonJack]

131. +1000000

[sabrina 1]

50. You are accusing a long time Dem of being a Repub? That is how you advocate for your candidate?

Same as last time. As an Obama supporter in 2008 I remember well being called a 'repub' by Hillary supporters then too. She is running the same campaign she ran then.

Both Obama and Bernie got the support they got in part because both opposed Cheney/Bush's war. Hillary supported it.

[restorefreedom]

66. "racking up" the supers is a virtually meaningless exercise

they will have to support the will of the people or face a complete party meltdown. so its a nice feather in the cap, but in the end they will back the voters. its just for show and bragging rights.

[jwirr]

79. Absolutely - she is forcing endorsements and collecting

super delegates in order to back up her claim that she is winning.That is also what the DNC is up to - trying to make her look inevitable.

[restorefreedom]

85. yup. smoke and mirrors. nt

[Nitram]

110. Why do YOU act like your enemy, attacking fellow democrats.

Oh, I forgot, you're just stating "facts."

[dflprincess]

187. You support her because she's a woman?

No concern about issues or track records? I'll agree she's qualified, but I prefer to support a candidate who thinks like me, not just shares my gender.

[dflprincess]

189. You are aware that "super" delegates was a ploy the DNC came up with years ago

as a way to block non-establishment candidates, don't you? It's like they saw this race coming.

If Clinton were to get the nomination because of super delegates I fear DWS might find herself facing a convention full of rank and file Democrats carrying pitchforks and torches.

[sabrina 1]

197. She's running the same campaign she ran last time. And if you think Bernie doesn't know what

to do about delegates, you could not be more wrong. But keep thinking that, it's almost better that her campaign remains as over confident as they did last time. Bernie's otoh, is ENERGIZED!

[George II]

116. She forced the primary to the very end? What?

She conceded once Obama was essentially assured of the nomination, no later.

And it was a very close set of primaries, too - Obama had 17,584,692 votes and Clinton had 17,857,501 votes. The big difference was the Super Delegates.

And when Clinton withdrew two months before the Convention ("the very end" ), she said this:

“The way to continue our fight now, to accomplish the goals for which we stand, is to take our energy, our passion, our strength and do all we can to help elect Barack Obama the next president of the United States,”

Might we see such a gracious statement from Sanders when he concedes?

[mythology]

23. She can't really win delegates until the caucuses and primaries start

Granted all of the evidence says she's widely ahead, but super delegates can and and do switch.

[DownriverDem]

31. There are other Delegates

Hillary already has a ton of delegates. Bernie has I think a few as does O'Malley. This is what I'm talking about. She is running the same campaign as Obama did. Look, all I want is a Dem win. I am not a Bernie hater.

[jwirr]

91. What do you mean - there are other delegates? When we

vote in our primary we are actually electing our delegates. The Party also has some super delegates who are most well known leaders like Bill Clinton. He obviously is for Hillary. Some states also have super-delegates.

[hedda_foil]

209. I don't think he/she understands the primary process.

But I'm too tired to try to teach her tonight.

[jwirr]

230. I agree.

[sabrina 1]

36. She's running the same campaign SHE ran in 2008.

[jwirr]

72. She is working on super delegates and they have in the past

followed the primary vote of their states just like they did in 2008. The real delegates are earned in each states primary election not bought.

[frylock]

105. Hillary is running the same primary campaign that Hillary ran in 2008.

FIFY

[DownriverDem]

11. How you know a candidate is not winning

When a candidate goes negative, you know they aren't winning. Sorry. That's reality in politics.

[sabrina 1]

13. Yes, that IS how we knew. The exposure eg, of Hillary's Brock run Super Pac trying to plant

smears in the media, failing to do it anonymously, THAT was a big giveaway as to how far they will got to try to stop the momentum, and using that old 'red' card which few people today resonate with, shows how out of touch they are with the people.

And that was just one negative campaign planned against a very Positive candidate.

Btw, pointing out policy differences isn't negative, it's POSITIVE!

[DownriverDem]

16. All that counts

All that counts is delegates. Look back on how Obama won in 2008.

[sabrina 1]

21. Yes, Bernie's campaign knows this! He's not new to politics nor are many of his supporters.

[RichVRichV]

122. You do realize a good 85% of the delegates are appointed through elections in the states right?

A candidate can't claim those. They have to be won in the primaries and caucuses. Wrapping up super delegates definitely helps when it's a close count. But history has proven they're not as much of a lock as you'd like to think. They can and do change allegiance based on the votes.

[George II]

19. You keep talking about "smears", just about every day or two, but never say what they are!

[George II]

103. Mighty quiet!

[Nitram]

112. The smear I hear most often from Bernistas is that anyone who...

...prefers Clinton is not really a Democrat.

[George II]

118. Yeah, ironic, huh?

[Nitram]

121. Not ironic. Dishonest.

[Robbins]

12. Consider this

If bernie was so fringe and had no chance why did clinton have to hint he is sexist and racist?

Why in debate did she have to try to smear him as wanting to end medicare?

Is she really was as inevitable as they claim she would ignore bernie.

[sabrina 1]

14. Exactly!

[George II]

20. Okay, how did he "hint" that he is sexist and racist? Surely you can tell us.

[riversedge]

24. Fair--but Sanders is no Obama no matter how big the crowds are

[aspirant]

26. ..and Hills is no Obama no matter how small the crowds are.

[riversedge]

28. OINK

[sabrina 1]

37. Of course he isn't. And Obama is no Bernie, and I'm no one but me. I never get what that is supposed

mean. It could mean that Bernie is BETTER than Obama. As an Obama supporter then and a Bernie supporter now, I see the same thing happening. Especially since we have the same candidate who was also thought to be 'inevitable' then.

But there is no question that no one is anyone else. So it seems like a meaningless statement to me.

[Duval]

92. sabrina 1, you rock!

[JDPriestly]

48. No. He isn't an Obama.

Sanders is willing to break up the big banks.

Obama helped the big banks get bigger.

Sanders questions the NSA spying and wants to bring it to comply with our Constitution.

Obama let it happen for years and said nothing about the constitutional conflict it raised.

Sanders wants to raise the cap on payroll, Social Security taxes.

Obama suggested changing the measure for inflation for Social Security recipients so as to push them further into poverty.

So, no. I have named only a couple of the ways in which Sanders is no Obama.

Feel the Bern!

Sanders is even better than Obama, which is saying a lot because I am an Obama supporter on most issues.

[sabrina 1]

55. Thank you, that was my thought also. But both have one thing in common which probably

lost that race for Hillary and will lost it for her again, this time, both Obama and Bernie saw the disaster a War in Iraq would be.

THAT is what got me on board with Obama long before he ran for President. Same thing with Bernie.

[George II]

104. Rand Paul was drawing large crowds several year ago, too, and we know the results of that campaign.

[freshwest]

115. Imagine Rand Paul as POTUS and Paul Ryan as Speaker (oops). Geronimo, folks!

Last edited Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:25 AM - Edit history (1)

Geronimo - exclamation used to express exhilaration, especially when leaping from a great height or moving at a high speed.

[sabrina 1]

212. And those disappointed Libertarians are now going to Bernie who they say, is HONEST, unlike Paul

so it's fantastic that he is able to energize people from all across the political spectrum, as Obama did also. Drew large crowds, Hillary supporters dismissed that, had crossover appeal, got the youth vote, just like Bernie. All of it was dismissed then as it is being dismissed now. I remember it well, it's like deja vu. And Bernie is now ahead of where Obama was at this point in 2008.

Hillary doesn't have crossover appeal. All the polls showing her ahead are of registered Dems. Who is going to vote for her outside of older Dems who own landlines? Repubs? Liberatarians? Disillussioned non voters, who are now signing up for Bernie after years of not voting? Independents, who are sick of the status quo?

It's great that Paul's supporters saw through him and are now looking at who to vote for and when they get to know Bernie, they are sold.

[zappaman]

27. "Winning!"

[Dr Hobbitstein]

46. Ha!

[NCTraveler]

47. Really appropriate in so many ways.

A lot can be written with respect to your reply in conjunction with the op. So many similarities with respect to the thought of what "winning" is. Charlie seems to have been rudely awoken with respect to what he thought winning was.

[sabrina 1]

76. I like it too, it's just another sign of the desperation the OP is all about. No substance, because

Hillary loses on the issues, so just go for the distractions, just as I stated. I do like it when I get perfect examples without having to supply them myself.

Why are Hillary's supporter so afraid to talk about issues?

[NCTraveler]

93. "it's just another sign of the desperation the OP is all about"

I like how we have been agreeing lately.

"Why are Hillary's supporter so afraid to talk about issues? "

I wasn't aware they were. Why do Sanders people keep throwing the word "fear" around. I'm still not sure what they think people are scared of. But as you mentioned about this op, "it's just another sign of desperation."

[sabrina 1]

233. Because it's so obvious!

[NCTraveler]

234. Love the sarcasm. I agree. Extremely obvious.

Lots of desperation in the Sanders camp. I haven't seen this much anti-union crap in any progressive circles I travel. It's terrifying what they have been saying about unions the last couple of days. As you said, desperation. I have seen Vince Foster evoked and Marissa J called a racist. The mask has come off.

[George II]

106. Hillary supporters HAVE been talking about the issues-what Clinton feels are the important issues...

....and most importantly how Clinton will ADDRESS those issues.

There's more to a presidential campaign than merely saying "we have to do this", "we have to do that", "we have to stop.....", "blah, blah, blah".

[AlbertCat]

58. Cute,

Of course Hillary lost the last primary she was in.

Losing!

[SunSeeker]

114. LOL

[JDPriestly]

41. If he is drawing crowds like that in Cleveland, the news will spread, and Bernie's ideas and Bernie'

zeal, his enthusiasm and honesty are infectious. Bernie will win in the end. I agree.

Hillary has too much money. It's like a ball and chain around her neck. She dare not go to the point of free college at state schools for qualified students because her donors who want to sell student loans to poor kids would freak out.

She cannot support raising the cap on payroll, Social Security taxes because her big donors' taxes would go up.

She has penned herself in with all that money.

Meanwhile, the Hillary supporters that I come into contact with, few as they are, are on the defensive. They don't understand what is going on.

I define Hillary supporters as people who haven't listened to Bernie yet. They haven't heard what he has to say. I can tell that on DU by the comments and questions people post about Bernie.

Once people really listen to Bernie, they support him.

Feel the Bern!

[in_cog_ni_to]

43. Excellent post!

I think 99% is still larger than 1%. The Wall St. Candidate can't win. The 99% doesn't support her. TPTB know that all too well.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[DianeK]

44. The People's Candidate!

has a nice ring to it!

As Bernie says....in solidarity!

[redstateblues]

54. more like 30% of the Democratic electorate's candidate

[sabrina 1]

56. Until the PEOPLE get to know him, which they will. We have a long way to go

and already he has done the impossible. Just like Obama in 2008.

[roguevalley]

53. sabrina 1, you rule.

[Gothmog]

57. Even Sanders' own campaign manager does not think that Sanders will win

if you read the last three paragraphs of this article, Sanders campaign manager does not outline a path to the nomination but a path to be a "serious" candidate. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/12/bernie-sanders-s-strategist-this-is-how-we-win.html

If all goes according to plan, Sanders will have won enough delegates by mid-March to be a serious contender for the nomination. That would signal a shift for Sanders; it would be time to court the establishment. “Then we have to offer fundamental assurances to party leaders who say he’s a socialist. He’s been in the Congress 25 years and his program is not to replace the current system with socialism, it’s to revive the middle class.”

Sanders’s outsider campaign has been likened to Jesse Jackson’s insurgent campaign in 1988—it wasn’t until the Wisconsin primary in April that Michael Dukakis defeated Jackson. But Devine thinks the more apt analogy to today’s politics is 1984 when the combination of Gary Hart’s insurgency and Jackson’s coalition of minority voters together almost beat Walter Mondale. “Jackson never received support from the institutional party, but he demanded respect. If we register, as Jesse Jackson did, millions of people, that would be a huge lift for the party in Senate races.” And for whichever Democrat reaches the magic number of delegates next year to secure the nomination.

The idea that Sanders is good for the Democratic Party is a hard lesson for Clinton to appreciate in the heat of battle. But he’s got voters fired up and ready to go, and Democrats need that energy.

The apparent goal of this campaign is not for Sanders to be the nominee but to be considered a serious candidate who might almost beat Hillary Clinton. By that standard, Sanders is doing okay but no one not even Sanders' own campaign manager thinks that Sanders will be the Democratic nominee.

This article is silent on what Sanders intend to do in a general election contest in that it appears that Sanders campaign manager does not expect that Sanders will be the nominee.

Sanders' own campaign manager defines success as being taken seriously but not as winning the nomination

[sabrina 1]

59. What? Because he's not predicting something that cannot be predicted at this point

you think he doesn't 'think' Sanders can win? He's absolutely correct to say that Bernie is a serious candidate, because he is.

No one can predict the future, and it would be foolish for either Hillary's campaign or Bernie's to say for sure 'we are going to win'.

However Bernie has stated that he is 'in it to win it' and so are his growing army of supporters.

[Gothmog]

111. There is a major difference between being the nominee and being taken seriously

Sanders is not going to be the Democratic nominee. Predictwise has Sanders at 7% today http://www.predictwise.com/politics/2016DemNomination Those are not good odds. If you really think that Sanders will be the nominee, then open an irish account and place a bet on Sanders.

[aspirant]

169. Oh wonderful, Wall Street is casino capitalism

and now we evolve into betting on casino campaigns.

[Gothmog]

200. The old Intrade market was very accurate in predicting election results

The free market system works and people who invest their money in positions on election outcomes are very very careful and use a number of different tools. Intrade was very accurate in predicting election results https://www.quora.com/How-accurate-has-Intrade-been-at-predicting-the-result-of-U-S-elections

In the last election it was 90% for all elections (non presidential) the last Presidential election they were correct on all of them, except Missouri but that didn't get called until two weeks after the election, the earlier elections were in excess of 88% but were in the very early days of Intrade.

The interesting part about the Intrade data is that you can make accurate predictions a week in advance of the election,

Here is the actual results of the intrade prediction for the 2008 election vs the actual results http://electoralmap.net/2012/2008_election.php

2008 Electoral Map - Election Results
Shown immediately below is the electoral map depicting the results of the 2008 presidential election in which Barack Obama won with 365 electoral votes to John McCain's 173. Below, the Intrade results are shown. Further down you will find the 2008 pollster report card.


2008 Electoral Map - Intrade Forecast
Shown immediately below is the Nov 4, 2008 election day forecast from the Intrade prediction market. Intrade did not predict Nebraska splitting its votes, and it was the first time in state history that this happened. Missouri and Indiana were also reversed in the forecast, but both having eleven electoral votes resulted in a nearly dead-on electoral vote count.

Predictwise is the successor to Intrade with features built in to make it harder for US investors to place bets. I would not discount the accuracy of these systems

[aspirant]

214. Casino gambling is now replacing polls in elections because they are more accurate.

You have a 1 in 3 chance of winning (Bernie, Hills or Martin) it's like 3-card Monte

Is AIG insuring all global payouts?

[aspirant]

65. What?

"Sanders' own campaign manager defines success as being taken seriously but not as winning the nomination"

The title of the article is: "BERNIE SANDERS STRATEGIST: THIS IS HOW WE WIN".

Serious campaigns don't win?

[Gothmog]

109. Read the last three paragraphs of the article

I found the article to be amusing in that it is clear that even Sanders own campaign adviser is not silly enough to think that Sanders can be the nominee

[DhhD]

158. Sanders keeps showing up at the Debates! Others are dropping out.

[Gothmog]

159. According to Sanders' campaign manager, success is doing as well as Jesse Jackson in 1984

Sanders will not be the nominee and his campaign manager is defining success as Sanders doing as well as Jesse Jackson did in 1984. Jackson did not come that close to being the nominee

[aspirant]

170. Read the Title

[Gothmog]

201. Read the last three paragraphs of the article

Sanders campaign manager is defining winning as Sanders being taken seriously and doing as well as Jesse Jackson did in 1984 which was not a high bar to cross.

[aspirant]

215. When Bernie is taken seriously, he will win the nomination

[sabrina 1]

143. Lol, thanks for actually reading the article!

[Gothmog]

160. According to the online quiz, Sanders is closer to my positions than Clinton

I like Sanders and many of his positions but I can not support a non-viable candidate. The SCOTUS is simply too important and the next president may control the direction of the SCOTUS for a generation. We need to win in 2016

[sabrina 1]

162. That's why I support SAnders. Hillary has no crossover appeal, she appeals only to older

Dems which is why Bernie is the one beating Repubs, not Hillary. Can't risk a Repub winning this election. She can't win without the kind of crossover appeal Bernie has.

[Gothmog]

203. Again, the predicitve markets and the experts disagree

Sanders is being rated at 7% chance of being the nominee which is one of the lowest numbers that I have seen in Predictwise for Sanders. The predictive markets and the smart money are betting against Sanders

[joanbarnes]

64. ...and they have the voting machines...

[brooklynite]

73. So the Republicans who you claim rigged the 2004 Election turned the machines over to the Democrats?

How generous...

[MissDeeds]

67. Excellent!!

K&R

[brooklynite]

70. "HE DEFEATS YOUR 'inevitable candidate' in the polls in NH! "

5 of the last 8 polls favor Clinton.

[sabrina 1]

71. Lol! Okay! Remember 2008? Bernie is way ahead of Obama at this point. Let's face it

he is making them so nervous they are POLLING LIKE CRAZY trying to dampen enthusiasm and only having the OPPOSITE effect.

[brooklynite]

74. and Clinton is way ahead of Clinton at this point. That's the problem...

Unless Sanders can carve votes AWAY from Clinton, there's only so much more growth he can achieve.

[sabrina 1]

77. He already has, more than Obama had at this point.

[brooklynite]

80. And Clinton has more that Clinton had at this point....

....in 2007-2008, Clinton was UNDER 50%. This time, she's consistently OVER 50%. Do you see the problem there?

[SidDithers]

75. Bookmarking...

Sid

[sabrina 1]

89. So, how were the polls on Corbyn? Did you SEE how wrong they were? Old methologies, failing

and they don't know what to do about it.

Btw, I didn't follow the polls on Harper, were they right or wrong about Canadians finally tossing out that old Neocon?

[Duval]

78. Super OP, sabrina 1

We need to keep getting Bernie's ideas before the public and yes, send more $ and Vote!!

[sabrina 1]

84. We're something right, have you SEEN all the POLLS they are desperately trying to

get out to try to SUPPRESS enthusiasm for Bernie? Every single day it' nothing but POLLS! Lol, shows me how frightened they are.

Because I have not been polled, nor have any of the NEW registered Dems I signed up for Bernie here in NY.

And so many who won't sign up until their states require it..

Not to mention the open primary states where people DON'T HAVE TO register as Dems.

But they are hoping we will be FOOLED by their old, traditional polls of only older longtime registered Dems who own landlines.

The desperation is showing! Lol!

[Nitram]

107. Sabrina, suggesting negative polls "prove" the polls are rigged against Bernie is sad.

A while back I kept hearing how fast Bernie was catching up in the polls and how it wouldn't be long before he overtook Clinton. Since it hasn't happened it means the polls are rigged? Sounds like sour grapes to me.

[MADem]

82. That's CLEVELAND?????

More than half of the population of Cleveland is black. Again, he's not drawing a representative sampling of the community to his events. That's an issue.

And it looks like the entire upper tier of seating is unfilled.

I think there may be a pinhole leak in the Bernie balloon.

[sabrina 1]

87. So where does Hllary stand on the TPP now? Is it STILL the 'GOLD STANDARD' of Trade

Agreements? How about the Welfare Bill? Has she changed her mind on that piece of draconian legislation or not?

[MADem]

97. That's not her style. But you know that.

She'd rather meet with a half dozen smaller groups every day or two than thunder at what looks like a rather bored crowd in that picture every week or so. It's more work, the way she does it, but it's more personal.

That was quite the pivot you tried to make, from crowds and demographics to whining--accusatorily, too-- about the TPP, etc!

Look-- I know you're not going to vote for her, and that's fine and dandy. I am just pointing out that your photo illustration that looks entirely UNLIKE a "Cleveland" audience doesn't even begin to match your excited headline.

[sabrina 1]

135. Lol, we know. Bernie is the candidate of the people. Hillary, she isn't comfortable in

settings where there are a lot of ordinary people.

[MADem]

136. She's very comfortable with ordinary people.

She listens to them every day. She responds to their concerns and questions.

Not a pointer or a shouter, she.

Do these look like elites to you?

[Fuddnik]

90. Behind the stage and flag.

Not exactly where people would choose to sit.

[sabrina 1]

151. Those seats are always empty. I didn't bother explaining as most people know that, but thanks

for having the patience to explain it.

[PatrynXX]

94. ain't nothing more interesting than when the Hillary group on DU

has blocked me from entering comments ... it's not just like turning away Refugees but it has the same effect, blocking me basically = okay Hillary supporters just flipped me off proved me right . I'm going with Bernie a bunch of GOP Governors across the country just proved ISIL right. Refugees should go with ISIL. X_X Why she keeps doing poorly in the debates . would be like in the front of the news in 2007. this year hardly a word. Like they are in the Faux bubble. have no clue what they are doing.

Nafta started it I'm sure. which we thought was a Bush Sr Blunder. Obama totally owns the TPP and seems Hillary too.

[MineralMan]

95. I see. Here:

[monicaangela]

100. If Bernie Sanders doesn't win the primary and the general

it won't be because my friends, family, and myself included didn't do everything in our power to help him win. Bernie Sanders IMHO is the best candidate running, republican, democrat, and any other party or group that might have their name in the contest. Thank you for this very positive post regarding Bernie, keep up the good work!!!

[Faux pas]

108. Kicketty Kickin'

[Uncle Joe]

117. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, sabrina.

[Enthusiast]

119. Kicked and recommended! Well done, sabrina!

[pacalo]

126. K&R!

[pa28]

127. Hillary and her supporters are nervous so expect the gutter politics to keep coming.

You can never run out of rovian smears because they are fabricated from whole cloth. Next I suppose they'll try to imply Sanders is cozy with islamic terrorists like they tried to do with Jeremy Corbyn in the UK.

The Blairite center was scared to death of him, hit him with everything in the book and he won by a crushing margin anyway.

[LiberalLovinLug]

128. What an inspiring and positive OP!

Thanks Sabrina

[SammyWinstonJack]

130. If you build it they will come.

[Juicy_Bellows]

132. K&R nt.

[marym625]

133. K&R!

Great post!

By the way, did you see your post yesterday (01300) think yesterday) hit Thom Hartmann's main page? .

[MaggieD]

134. Thanks for the chuckle

[sabrina 1]

139. Every time I see posts like that, I think of Hillary and 2008! And I chuckle louder.

[Tarc]

138. Maybe someday Sanders will actually win a poll of registered voters

Until then...

[sabrina 1]

142. Lol, all I see from Hillary's campaign is POLLS. Maybe someday the pollsters will poll

people other than those with LANDLINES and include some people UNDER 50! And NEWLE Reg'd Dems who are signing up ONLY to vote for Bernie.

I get a kick out of those who HATE it when the PEOPLE are polled and Benie wins hands down, but are frantic to post daily polls which actually show Hillary's numbers DROPPING.

Remember the daily polls when she was over 80%??? Lol!

[brooklynite]

141. "Bernie on fire at Cleveland Rally this Past Weekend! "

Howard Dean on fire in Tucson, AZ



Ron Paul on fire at Texas A&M

[brooklynite]

171. I suspect their supporters all said the same thing...

...what's the hard evidence that the Sanders campaign knows how?

[taught_me_patience]

145. I admire the conviction of the OP

and your willingness to work hard for your candidate.

From a Hillary supporter.

[sabrina 1]

149. Thank you! n/t

[Beacool]

147. Wow, talk about needing to rally the troops.

BTW, according to RCP, Hillary is currently ahead in NH.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_presidential_primary-3351.html

[sabrina 1]

152. All those desperate polls they are churning out almost every hour. They sure are worried

since that's ALL we now see from Hillary's campaign. Polls! And we all know that they cannot even begin to poll Bernie's supporters many of whom are not registered with any party, until they have to. Not to mention so many are young voters who don't own landlines so are not on the old traditional pollsters lists.

Bernie just has to keep doing what he's been doing. As he said, he doesn't focus on polls, he focuses on ISSUES.

How much has Hillary's campaign spent now on polling?

[Beacool]

156. Au contraire, ma chérie.

Hillary's campaign is not the one who sounds desperate. When you're ahead there's no need to rally the troops, they are already out there working hard for you.

You do realize that these polls were not paid by her campaign, right? The campaign doesn't own, Gallup, Quinnipiac, etc.

[sabrina 1]

193. But she was way, way ahead a few months ago. When you start falling in the polls that's called

trouble for someone who has every advantage a candidate could have and yet an unknown Senator from a tiny state has her campaign TOTALLY focused on HIM right now.

I would say she should start talking about issues and forget the polls. People in the RL don't even see them, but they notice that ONE candidate remains focused on the issues, while the other doesn't seem very interested in what they are interested in.

[brooklynite]

196. This may come as a surprise to you, but Hillary Clinton is campaigning in the real world...

...you know, outside the blogosphere, where real voters are?

You might have heard her talking about election reform, criminal justice reform, immigration reform, women's reproductive rights, women's pay equity, support for small business...oh and there was that national security issue that came up. Maybe you were at a rally and weren't playing attention?

[Adrahil]

154. I know! I know! Internet polls!!!!! nt

[sabrina 1]

161. Hillary supporters don't like those polls do they? But they sure love POLLS that don't

include most of the demographics that don't support their candidate!

[aspirant]

174. Reality:

Bernie supporters are laughing at their polls and instead of depressing our vote they are now needed to motivate and uplift Clinton supporters who are wondering around aimlessly in the world of evolution

[azmom]

157. I agree. Keep volunteering and donating

When you can. We are going to win and make history.

[Paka]

163. Wonderful upbeat post.

We can indeed go all the way. The time is ripe for people power.

GO BERNIE!!!

[marlakay]

164. Registering voters on campus yesterday (Humboldt University)

It was great to be with the kids, they are informed, they knew exactly the percentage of kids that normally vote in elections and were worried about it. They flocked around to get free stickers and many bought bumper stickers and pins from us or volunteered to do phone calling.

I think if instead of worrying every one of us got out and helped rally the excited the kids and others we would feel better. I know I did.

I was starting to feel overwhelmed by all the press about Hillary and I almost didn't want to go yesterday but so glad I did and I am signed up for a bunch more and phone calls. They are doing a web seminar to train for phone calling.

The older guy who is organizing it said this is the first election that he doesn't have to try to get volunteers, every one wants to help.

Of course I just moved to a liberal area so people are probably excited to have someone in the race that feels how we do.

And considering this is supposed to be pot town/party USA these kids were serious about Bernie and their school work. (although I am sure pot was in the picture too...lol)

[sabrina 1]

173. Fantastic, good for you! And don't let their games get you down, that's what they are trying to do

because they have nothing else. The PEOPLE will decide this election. Until then all we have to do is what you were doing yesterday!

for you! And the Kids!

[WillyT]

172. Kick !!!

[Thespian2]

175. K & R!!!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

178. President Sanders

[ChiciB1]

179. I Saw THREE Bernie Bumper Stickers Today...

I live in a very Red county so maybe Hillary isn't expected, but I've seen NO Hillary bumper stickers yet! My husband and I both have stickers on our vehicles, we're Democrats... maybe the ones I saw are from Independents. Don't k now, I could't ask.

Just saying'
Thanks for the GREAT POST! Keeps the fire BERNING!

[paleotn]

180. The go around before last....

..that candidate was Barrack Obama. But of course, he had no chance against the super well funded, Goldman Juggernaut. Ooops! Oh, the wailing, bitching and moaning when he won the nomination. The fact is, nothing is sewn up with the primaries still so far away. Hill's Wall Street funded campaign could still implode just it did in 2008.

[cui bono]

181. WHAT'S HAPPENING??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[LWolf]

182. Thank you for the positive thread.

It's hard to see or breathe past the ugliness I found on the front page when I checked in this evening.

[MrMickeysMom]

186. The proof is in the movement...

We ain't in the money club, but neither are the majority of the people who are going to vote for him!

How do I know this? I'm out there in the trenches, and unless somebody is using some magic, these crowds aren't going away.

Thanks for acknowledging us, Sabrina!

[lovemydog]

188. In one great sense, Bernie and his supporters are winning!

The issues that he is discussing, the policies he is proposing, are being discussed across our country far and wide. They are being discussed at every debate and rally. These issues and proposals resonate deeply because they make sense. They will be discussed long after the primaries are over.

I hope and believe that these policy proposals become a part of the democratic party platform of both individual candidates and of the party as a whole. We need more democratic socialism and less lip service to liberal proposals, in my opinion.

I trust the enthusiasm and youthful energy of his supporters continues into the democratic party at every level. They are profoundly important for our country to keep moving forward in an economic and a social direction that is more inclusive.

[Babel_17]

190. Happy to have him as a candidate to support

Did not see this movement coming.

[LS_Editor]

202. It will be very amusing to see Hillary lose to a second perfect storm.

[Major Hogwash]

206. HUGE K&R

I think it goes without saying that the rest of the country will thank us later for doing the grunt work for Bernie now.

[ArcticFox]

207. I sure do hope Bernie Sanders can pull it off

I see Clinton as an arm of Oligarchs. We need somebody closer to the people.

And the enthusiasm is there among voters. They wouldn't be donating money if they didn't care.

Small individual contributors have given Bernie's campaign $30,953,544.

Small individual contributors have given Hillary's campaign $13,292,382.

That's why I think Bernie has a chance. The key is: how to get people to start thinking for themselves rather than just regurgitating what they hear on TeeVee.

[Nite Owl]

208. Wonderful post sabrina

👏🏼👏🏼

[totodeinhere]

210. K & R. He will go all the way.

[Kalidurga]

213. Oh come on

We must crown Hillary today. She is the only one that can defeat the Republicon machine why look at all the polls that show her and only her being able to defeat the clown car in a head to head race... oh wait, n/m.

[Helen Borg]

217. Hillary is so toast!

[DLevine]

218. K&R

Bernie fights the good fight.

[raouldukelives]

219. K&R! nt

[zomgitsjesus]

220. Great diary!

You should cross post this at DailyKos.

[Overseas]

223. K&R. Yes please!

[UglyGreed]

239. K/R