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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:55 PM Nov 2015

SAY IT AIN’T SO: ALAN GRAYSON ENDORSES HILLARY CLINTON *







Hillary Clinton is getting serious about winning Florida in 2016.

On Tuesday, the Clinton campaign announced its Florida Leadership Council, a high-profile team of more than 150 top Democrats from all corners of the Sunshine State.

As noted by Marc Caputo and POLITICO, the list of Clinton’s endorsements dwarfs those of her two rivals – Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley – which also mirrors her domination in Florida polling.

Included in this august group is everyone who is anyone in Democratic politics: state and local party leaders, members of Congress, mayors, fundraisers – and Congressman Alan Grayson.

What makes the outspoken liberal from Orlando – and candidate for U.S. Senate – stand out in this crowd is that it will be the first time Grayson publicly supports Hillary Clinton in her White House bid.

In fact, it was Grayson’s Democratic primary opponent, U.S. Rep. Patrick Murphy, who was an early Clinton supporter. Murphy had even gone so far as to contribute to her campaign — directly giving her hard money.

http://floridapolitics.com/archives/194910-say-it-aint-so-alan-grayson-endorses-hillary-clinton








*Don't shoot the messenger. I copied the title verbatim, caps and all



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SAY IT AIN’T SO: ALAN GRAYSON ENDORSES HILLARY CLINTON * (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 OP
Let 'em. Let 'em all. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #1
Thank you for your input and may the rest of your life be the best of your life. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #6
Not quite... Bubzer Nov 2015 #75
Res ipsa loquitur DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #80
Still not an endorsement. Bubzer Nov 2015 #81
If I am on a list of supporters how could I not be a supporter? DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #86
You don't know his reasons for joining the leadership council and niether do I. Bubzer Nov 2015 #91
I seem to recall hearing that Grayson said something about Sanders once. naoya6161 Nov 2015 #93
Let me explain it like this... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #95
Agreed. Assuming you knew about it. That website isn't exactly mainstream. Bubzer Nov 2015 #106
Hope dies hard! And around here it dies hard about 20 times a day! Walk away Nov 2015 #171
There are quite a few throwing him under the bus already. Take a look at his facebook page. Bubzer Nov 2015 #172
Well,he is a Democrat and it stands to reason he would support a Democrat.... Walk away Nov 2015 #173
Now that's just plain old denial. Gman Nov 2015 #96
Except this hasn't been confirmed outside of that no-name website. Bubzer Nov 2015 #101
Well, it's real. It happened. Gman Nov 2015 #105
Says a single website. You can believe it if you want, but I have a slightly higher bar to belief. Bubzer Nov 2015 #110
Well then good luck with Sanders Gman Nov 2015 #113
Have you called or emailed his office to confirm? zappaman Nov 2015 #114
And messaged him via facebook. Hoping to find out for sure one way or another. Bubzer Nov 2015 #117
Twitter would be another outlet. n/t zappaman Nov 2015 #120
Not a bad idea. I dont do twitter, but he might have made mention of it there. Bubzer Nov 2015 #121
I looked on Twitter Mnpaul Nov 2015 #151
Actually, not just a single website. naoya6161 Nov 2015 #115
Grayson's campaign confirmed nicsand Nov 2015 #177
Noted. Thanks for the confirmation. Bubzer Nov 2015 #180
It really did happen, and here's a link to a reputable website that confirms it naoya6161 Nov 2015 #107
Eh...that's not much of a confirmation. It does lend some credence to the claim, I'll admit. Bubzer Nov 2015 #116
Grayson jumped the shark for me when he got on the Ebola panic bandwagon. I got a fundraising call Erose999 Nov 2015 #122
Of course Gayson endorsed Hillary lewebley3 Nov 2015 #28
Isn't he trying to redeem himself? notadmblnd Nov 2015 #85
Doesn't need to redeem himself : He is a progressive like Hillary lewebley3 Nov 2015 #88
Where's the ALL CAPS SWARM? Segami Nov 2015 #2
Where to next? Under the bus? NurseJackie Nov 2015 #3
Grayson has been under the bus here on DU for ages. By some of the very Autumn Nov 2015 #18
Isn't that the truth. LOL! Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #19
I know!! Isn't it hysterical!! And all this time Bernie fans thought this one would be theirs. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #22
You can have him! MoonchildCA Nov 2015 #26
IOW: "Those grapes were sour anyway." ATP: It looks like Bernie can't AFFORD to be so picky about NurseJackie Nov 2015 #31
Reminds me of the deBlasio endorsement. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #39
You dug it "because it upsets all the right people." senz Nov 2015 #124
You busted me. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #125
You redeemed yourself senz Nov 2015 #127
I will do my best to answer your implied question DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #129
Some of those are weak and could easily be dropped senz Nov 2015 #130
The oligarchy preceded you and I and it will succeed you and I. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #131
Yes, we should all just give up. I mean, er, what? n/t JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #149
When you topple the oligarchy please let me know. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #163
I don't actually care about toppling an oligarchy JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #165
Maybe... MoonchildCA Nov 2015 #156
Excellent philosophy! NurseJackie Nov 2015 #159
Honestly, I'll vote for Hillary, if she's the nominee... MoonchildCA Nov 2015 #161
Insert "Bernie" where you wrote "Hillary", and change "he's" where you wrote "she's" … NurseJackie Nov 2015 #166
Oh dear .... ronnykmarshall Nov 2015 #76
Another insight. senz Nov 2015 #141
Happy to help ya ronnykmarshall Nov 2015 #145
Grayson is a member of DU Gman Nov 2015 #103
*Grayson's campaign fundraising staffer is a member of DU. tritsofme Nov 2015 #148
Indeed! MoonchildCA Nov 2015 #158
He might be a member of DU Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #178
He used to a few years ago Gman Nov 2015 #179
Something just occurred to me. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #43
Irrelevant. Gman Nov 2015 #111
Uh no. I most certainly did not hope for an endorsement from him cali Nov 2015 #58
I can understand why you'd say that ... NurseJackie Nov 2015 #62
No. You really can't. You cali Nov 2015 #66
Irrelevant. Bernie needs endorsements. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #68
Cali is no fan of Grayson, you should search her posting history. tammywammy Nov 2015 #74
I have no doubts about that. I already told her that I believed her. No searching needed. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #82
I don't need to pretend anything, dear nurse. cali Nov 2015 #77
Sounds like someone's trying to hide their disappointment. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #83
Good grief. Do try a wee bit of logic cali Nov 2015 #87
Because you'd hoped Bernie's endorsement numbers would have improved by now, NurseJackie Nov 2015 #89
Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #92
I know... THREE!!! A "surge" of 50% more!! Wouldn't that be exciting!!?? NurseJackie Nov 2015 #94
well that didn't last long Mosby Nov 2015 #112
To: Juror #1 … You're correct. I did not take offense. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #118
This is beyond pathetic. And not even directed at cali but why are people that have been on 4,5,6 Number23 Nov 2015 #147
and now there's a candle light vigil for her ronnykmarshall Nov 2015 #150
Teasing? passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #152
Take it at face value or not. I'm not caring. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #154
Just so you know it's obvious to everyone what you are doing passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #160
"I'm the chief Grayson critic here at DU." zappaman Nov 2015 #102
Cali! senz Nov 2015 #128
she's gone saturnsring Nov 2015 #132
Are you here to taunt? senz Nov 2015 #143
no the post previous to mine was a song about her being back but almost as soon as it was posted saturnsring Nov 2015 #144
She was swarmed again. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #133
I'm getting a sense that some folks senz Nov 2015 #134
I wonder how many of her posts were alerted on until they got the "right" jury? BeanMusical Nov 2015 #135
Yep, it is in their nature. They showed that to be true over at the Clinton Cave. cui bono Nov 2015 #136
+1 Absolutely. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #137
Oh please ronnykmarshall Nov 2015 #155
Grayson only went under the bus: because: He is a progressive that is for Hillary lewebley3 Nov 2015 #29
Check out his journal here and some of the comments by DUers Autumn Nov 2015 #139
The subject are rehashed over and over: So naturally my responses much a like lewebley3 Nov 2015 #174
"Grayson has been under the bus here on DU for ages." NurseJackie Nov 2015 #109
It won't be me. Some interesting replies here in this thread Autumn Nov 2015 #140
In short order Gman Nov 2015 #99
R.I.P. his Facebook page. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #4
lol. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #10
Wow.. Kentonio Nov 2015 #44
I know. Right? nt. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #48
Thanks for the insight. senz Nov 2015 #138
Yea, but wasn't he bought by the "Clinton Machine" leftofcool Nov 2015 #5
Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #16
So another vote for Patrick Murphy in the Senate Primary? brooklynite Nov 2015 #70
It is easy to despise what you cannot get. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #73
Fuck. Maybe a trade for the Ronda endorsement. That's about even up. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #30
Ronda Rousey? She's going to be in hiding for the next 3 months. oasis Nov 2015 #34
One tough fighter. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #51
Good one. nt oasis Nov 2015 #52
Honestly it took me waaaaaay to long... Agschmid Nov 2015 #119
Has anyone called his office to confirm? Bobbie Jo Nov 2015 #8
This^ dragonfly301 Nov 2015 #55
Please call DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #123
Someone would have to call twice. Sheepshank Nov 2015 #104
Oh zappaman Nov 2015 #108
Apparently he knows where the coat tails are? Historic NY Nov 2015 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #57
After all the foaming Grayson Hate from the Hill People whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #11
Maybe he's triangulating the triangulator? Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #21
I can remember some them shitting all over an OP he wrote here. cui bono Nov 2015 #23
Hillary is the 1%er's candidate after all n/t whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #25
Do you have a link to the op? NCTraveler Nov 2015 #33
No, I don't and I don't remember. n/t cui bono Nov 2015 #37
Pretty big assumptions for someone who doesn't remember something. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #42
Why do you say that? I said what I remember. I'm so sorry I can't remember enough to suit your needs cui bono Nov 2015 #46
Sure. nt Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #45
He doesn't write or post here. JTFrog Nov 2015 #59
By that logic, are all of the Sanders people who love him going to say this is a solid endorsemen? NCTraveler Nov 2015 #35
Thump, thump ... thump, thump, thump, thump Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #12
I am not particularly a fan of his but I see his endorsement is upsetting all the right people. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #27
Doesn't upset me. His ethics are even worse than Hillary's. Perfect endorsement for her. cali Nov 2015 #61
Same here, DSB. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #63
He seemed to be a DU darling though... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #65
Well, Grayson kicked President Obama's shins a lot, so that's not surprising. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #169
As I said in another thread, she doesn't need this guy. MADem Nov 2015 #13
Ugh. Is he really in a romantic relationship with a Big Pharma lobbyist??? n/t cui bono Nov 2015 #15
if he is, restorefreedom Nov 2015 #50
Yes, that's why he left his wife, humiliating her before their many children. MADem Nov 2015 #71
Yuck. Something about her expression and the pic qualities that makes it look like cui bono Nov 2015 #98
YES-and she didn't though--that's the awful bit!! MADem Nov 2015 #100
Sorry--DU 'stuttered' and I double-posted! MADem Nov 2015 #71
Good. He's a disgusting man- as I've said here repeatedly. cali Nov 2015 #14
in the same thread even saturnsring Nov 2015 #17
Bitterness? Hardly. I've expressed how I feel about him here for years. cali Nov 2015 #24
cali! cui bono Nov 2015 #20
Completely agree nt. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #38
K&R MaggieD Nov 2015 #32
No thanks Al, I think we are just fine without you... tritsofme Nov 2015 #36
My least favorite endorsment,I can't stand him. nt sufrommich Nov 2015 #40
Yawn! Politicalboi Nov 2015 #41
Really interesting conversations under the bus, I imagine mcar Nov 2015 #47
He's always been under my bus. I've gotten endless shit here about it. cali Nov 2015 #53
I am not terribly enamored of him now, nor was I before this endorsement dsc Nov 2015 #49
The Berniebros better not make any complaints about Alan's personal life. Dawson Leery Nov 2015 #54
I've criticised him for his personal life, his disgusting rhetoric, his hedge fund bullshit cali Nov 2015 #67
I'm no Berniebro and I don't think this is a great endorsement. n/t tammywammy Nov 2015 #79
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #56
That'll teach him! NurseJackie Nov 2015 #64
Wow. Just...wow. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #60
Angling for a place in the potential Administration madville Nov 2015 #69
Eh, he's a grandstander... msrizzo Nov 2015 #78
DU has an Act Blue link to donate to Grayson Omaha Steve Nov 2015 #84
Oh cool ronnykmarshall Nov 2015 #157
Can we finally put to rest the idea that Grayson is the "real Democrat" in the Senate primary? naoya6161 Nov 2015 #90
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #97
One word...(okay, acronym): "ROSEBUD". Just kidding! ... "AIPAC" AzDar Nov 2015 #126
It isn't just Alan Grayson, who is now under the bus, after being supported and excused all this Cha Nov 2015 #142
Thanks for posting ejbr Nov 2015 #146
She made him an offer he could not refuse Joe Turner Nov 2015 #153
Of course, that she would be the best person for the job. Amimnoch Nov 2015 #168
This is a very nice endorsement Gothmog Nov 2015 #162
His more moderate primary opponent had already endorsed Clinton Freddie Stubbs Nov 2015 #164
Yet another wonderful endorsement of the best candidate. Amimnoch Nov 2015 #167
Kick & highly recommended! William769 Nov 2015 #170
Well with her lead, I feel some just follow along mvd Nov 2015 #175
What has been happening is perfectly obvious. I never expected a single endorsement from anywhere. merrily Nov 2015 #176

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
1. Let 'em. Let 'em all.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:58 PM
Nov 2015

The only endorsement I truly care about is the one from the voters - even if I do think it's cool that the Red Hot Chili Peppers and Black Flag have endorsed Bernie - they are but a handful of votes, individually.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
80. Res ipsa loquitur
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:12 PM
Nov 2015

Following is the complete list of Clinton’s Florida “leadership” team:

US Senator Bill Nelson
Former U.S. Senator Bob Graham
US Representative Corrine Brown
US Representative Kathy Castor
US Representative Ted Deutch
US Representative Lois Frankel
US Representative Alan Grayson
US Representative Alcee Hastings
US Representative Patrick Murphy
US Representative Frederica Wilson
Former Congressman Joe Garcia
Former Congressman Ron Klein
State Senator Oscar Braynon
State Senate Democratic Leader Arthenia Joyner
State Senator Gwen Margolis
State Senator Maria Sachs
State Senator Chris Smith
State Senator Eleanor Sobel
State Senator Audrey Gibson
State Senator Darren Soto
Democratic House Leader State Representative Mia Jones
Incoming Democratic House Leader State Representative Janet Cruz
State Representative Lori Berman
State Representative Randolph Bracy
State Representative Gwendolyn Clark Reed
State Representative John Cortes
State Representative Joe Geller
State Representative Katie Edwards
State Representative Hazelle Rogers
State Representative Jared Moskowitz
State Representative Amanda Murphy
State Representative Sharon Pritchett
State Representative Darryl Rouson
State Representative Ed Narain
State Representative JJ Rodriguez
State Representative Richard Stark
State Representative Victor Torres
State Representative Clovis Watson Jr
State Representative and DNC Member Alan Williams
State Representative Reggie Fullwood
State Representative Dave Richardson
State Representative Kristin Jacobs
State Representative Barbara Watson
State Representative Shevrin Jones
State Representative Cynthia Stafford
State Representative Bobby Dubose
State Representative Bruce Antone
State Representative Kionne McGhee
States Attorney Dave Aronberg
North Miami Mayor Dr. Smith Joseph
Tampa Mayor Bob Buckhorn
Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer
West Palm Beach Mayor Geraldine Muoio
Miami Beach Mayor Phillip Levine
Palmetto Bay Mayor Eugene Flinn
Hallendale Beach Mayor Joy Cooper
Pinecrest Mayor and DNC Member Cindy Lerner
Riviera Beach Mayor Thomas Masters
Weston Mayor and State IAM Director Frank Ortis
Wilton Manors Mayor Gary Resnick
Broward County Commissioner Dale V. C. Holness
County Councilwoman and DNC Member Joyce Cusack
Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel
Broward County Commissioner Barbara Sharief
Miami Dade County Commissioner Jean Monestime
Palm Bay City Commissioner Michelle Paccione
Doral City Councilwoman Sandra Ruiz
City Commissioner Angel Gomez
Tampa City Councilman Harry Cohen
St Petersburg City Council Member Darden Rice
Doral City Councilwoman Sandra Ruiz
Hillsborough County Clerk of the Court Pat Frank
Palm Beach County Tax Collector Anne Gannon
Broward County School Board Member Rosaline Osgood
Miami Dade School Board Member Dorothy Bendross-Mindingall
Former Florida State CFO Alex Sink
Former State Senator Dan Gelber
Former State Senator Nan Rich
Former House Speaker Jon Mills
Former State Representative Michael E Langton
Former State Representative Cynthia Chestnut
Former Jacksonville Mayor Alvin Brown
Former Tampa Mayor Sandy Freedman
Former Hialeah Mayor Raul Martinez
Florida Democratic Party State Chair Allison Tant
Florida Democratic Party State Vice Chair Alan Clendenin
Florida Democratic Party Treasurer Judy Mount
DNC Member Jon Ausman
DNC Member Mitchell Ceasar
DNC Member Bret Berlin
DNC Member Joe Falk
DNC Member Annette Taddeo
DNC Member Tony Hill
DNC Member Angel Gomez
Florida Education Association President Joanne McCall
Florida Education Association Vice President Damary Mercado
Florida Education Association Vice President Fedrick Ingram
Florida Education Association Director of Public Policy Jeff Wright
President, Florida NOW Terry Sanders
Former Chair of Save Dade Christian Ulvert
President, Haitian American Democratic Club of Miami Jacques Despinosse
Former Democratic Party State Chair Terry Brady
Richard Swann
Vivian Rodriguez
Barbara Effman
Obama/Biden Campaign State Director Ashley Walker
Sandy Ducane
Lynette Long
Herschel Gober
Mary Lou Keener
Hugh Westbrook
Carole Shields
Reginald McGill
Ana Cruz
Nadine Smith
Joy Friedman
Lynda Russell
Pete Mitchell
Burt Aronson
Chris Korge
Michele Austin Pamies
Mitchel Berger
Suzanna Valdez
Christine Jennings
Daisy Baez
Millie Herrera
Neil Heinrichsen
Ira Leesfield
Cynthia Leesfield
Abigail Pollock
Alex Heckler
Lisa King
Brian Goldmeier
John Morgan
Ginger Lew
Joanne Goodwin
Winnie Tang
Diane Krumel
Lynda Bird
Margo Dixon
Bunny Steinman
Joey McKinnon
Pat Jotkoff
Patricia Byrd
Wanda Francis
Corey Wilborn
Amber Holland
Freddy Balsera
JP Austin
Ralph Patino
Lavon Bracy
Ben Pollara



DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
86. If I am on a list of supporters how could I not be a supporter?
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:23 PM
Nov 2015

Shouldn't he have renounced his inclusion on that list by now?

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
91. You don't know his reasons for joining the leadership council and niether do I.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:45 PM
Nov 2015

What I do know is he very nearly endorsed Bernie Sanders, and has on numerous occasions held Bernie up as having the ideals we should all reach for. It's odd for him to go from that to suddenly accepting a leadership council position. You may be right, it may in fact be intended as an endorsement. It might be something else. Without Grayson speaking up for himself, it's all speculative.

It's also worth noting that no other media outlet seems to have picked up on this claim. If Grayson is in fact joining her campaign leadership council, why isn't such a big act being posted to his facebook page or on his website or... some kind of update somewhere?

naoya6161

(147 posts)
93. I seem to recall hearing that Grayson said something about Sanders once.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:48 PM
Nov 2015

Namely the fact that he believes that he got all his ideas from Hillary.

And Hillary's leadership list was posted in the Tampa Bay Buzz yesterday. It wasn't until a while after that that people began noticing that Grayson's name was on the list.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
95. Let me explain it like this...
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:52 PM
Nov 2015

If DemocratSinceBirth's name appeared on a Leadership Council for Donald Trump list I would be screaming at the top of my lungs it ain't so.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
106. Agreed. Assuming you knew about it. That website isn't exactly mainstream.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:09 PM
Nov 2015

It's also still the sole source for that claim. I'll believe it if Grayson confirms it, or a credible agency corroborates the story.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
171. Hope dies hard! And around here it dies hard about 20 times a day!
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:54 PM
Nov 2015

But soon Alan will find himself under the bus with thousands of Hillary endorsers and 60% of Democratic voters.

Take hear! I hear Bernie is making a game changing speech tonight! Tomorrow may look brighter for you.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
172. There are quite a few throwing him under the bus already. Take a look at his facebook page.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:13 PM
Nov 2015

I don't know how game-changing Bernie's speech will be... it may open him up to all kinds of new attacks... I don't know. It may lay a lot of fears to rest... but considering the sensationalizing media, I suspect the former. I'll still like Alan should he choose to support Hillary... its nice to have a "loose cannon" around to stab the red-hot poker into the GOP hornet's nest now and then.

Of course, it goes without saying, I'd prefer him to support my preferred candidate... but either way, I'd like to know where his support resides.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
173. Well,he is a Democrat and it stands to reason he would support a Democrat....
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:18 PM
Nov 2015

It makes complete sense to me.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
96. Now that's just plain old denial.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:55 PM
Nov 2015

When you give consent for your name to be used as a supporter of a candidate, as in steering committee, as in leadership council, as in whatever you want to call it, you have endorsed that candidate.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
110. Says a single website. You can believe it if you want, but I have a slightly higher bar to belief.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:11 PM
Nov 2015

A single site wont do. If it did, I could post all kinds of stuff from slate or some other less than credible click-bait site and claim it for truth. I wouldn't be right, of course... but I could do it.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
151. I looked on Twitter
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 11:06 PM
Nov 2015

I checked on Facebook, several of Grayson's websites. No mention of it anywhere.

nicsand

(1 post)
177. Grayson's campaign confirmed
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:48 AM
Nov 2015

to me directly.

And Alan Grayson will be on my show this morning -- Tues 11/24 at 10ET at radioornot.com to answer my questions about it.

Nicole Sandler
radioornot.com

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
122. Grayson jumped the shark for me when he got on the Ebola panic bandwagon. I got a fundraising call
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:38 PM
Nov 2015

from his campaign the other day and the staffer didn't know what the TPP was. And apparently the congressman's position on the TPP is not in the script. She scrambled to find some way to explain it while I was on hold. After 3 minutes I hang up.

Autumn

(45,107 posts)
18. Grayson has been under the bus here on DU for ages. By some of the very
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:18 PM
Nov 2015

people who will herald his endorsing Hillary as a wonderful thing.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
22. I know!! Isn't it hysterical!! And all this time Bernie fans thought this one would be theirs.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:21 PM
Nov 2015

I think the take-away (and the source of the enjoyment) is not that he's endorsing Hillary, it's that he's NOT endorsing Bernie!!

"GRAYSON SNUBS BERNIE" would be a better headline.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
31. IOW: "Those grapes were sour anyway." ATP: It looks like Bernie can't AFFORD to be so picky about
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:36 PM
Nov 2015

who endorses him and should probably take anyone he can get. Both he AND his hardcore supporters should welcome anyone, no matter HOW "smarmy".

Hillary supporters know full well that if Grayson had endorsed Bernie, his fans would be jumping for joy!

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
39. Reminds me of the deBlasio endorsement.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:40 PM
Nov 2015

One HRC didn't really need however I dug it because it upsets all the right people.


 

senz

(11,945 posts)
124. You dug it "because it upsets all the right people."
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:57 PM
Nov 2015

Your comment:

Reminds me of the deBlasio endorsement. One HRC didn't really need however I dug it because it upsets all the right people.


I've sensed this attitude in you for a long, long time.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
125. You busted me.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 06:01 PM
Nov 2015

" I have become what I beheld and I am content that I have done right! "


Posters crap all over Hillary and I am supposed to shut up. I would literally rather be dead.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
127. You redeemed yourself
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 06:19 PM
Nov 2015

believe it or not. In my mere mortal eyes, of course (only the guy upstairs knows the real score).

I cannot for the life of me imagine why you or anyone not on her payroll or fearing her vengeance, would support Hillary. But I know you do.

I understand anger, particularly righteous anger, all too well.

It is sadism I cannot abide.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
129. I will do my best to answer your implied question
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 06:35 PM
Nov 2015

Do I believe she is some kind of demigod ? No, but I believe she is tough and smart. The tough part will come in handy because the Republicans don't fight by Marquis Of Queensbury rules and the smart part will come in handy when she has to govern.

My pops died when I was fourteen and raised by a widowed mom. I think strong women rock.

And it is not like she isn't good on the issues

-pro choice
-pro immigration reform
-pro glbtq rights
-pro civil rights
-pro increased minimum wage
-pro family leave
-pro health care access to all
-pro Social Security

...

I am sure I missed some

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
130. Some of those are weak and could easily be dropped
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 06:45 PM
Nov 2015

after she gets what she wants -- because, remember, her real constituency is Big Banks, great wealth, and transnational corporations. There is much that is missing from that list; it's the best she could do without compromising her fealty to money.

I think you're wearing blinders. I strongly suspect that Hillary, on her best day, could not hold a candle to your mom.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
131. The oligarchy preceded you and I and it will succeed you and I.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 06:48 PM
Nov 2015

It is something we need to navigate and most of the things I cited aren't a threat to them or they will be pulled along kicking and screaming.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
163. When you topple the oligarchy please let me know.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 08:09 AM
Nov 2015

I don't think the Continental Army did it by posturing on the "internets".

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
165. I don't actually care about toppling an oligarchy
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 09:12 AM
Nov 2015

What i do care about is fighting to make sure everyone has a more equal voice in a representative democracy. Indeed i work for this off the internets, but that does not mean i must forgo as you say 'posturing'; the two are not mutually exclusive.

I would hope you would join in this fight for more equality.

MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
161. Honestly, I'll vote for Hillary, if she's the nominee...
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:01 AM
Nov 2015

...but the most motivating thing about that vote will be, she's better than the republican.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
166. Insert "Bernie" where you wrote "Hillary", and change "he's" where you wrote "she's" …
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 09:41 AM
Nov 2015

… and that expresses my my feeling as well.

Look! We agree on something! (Sort of. Maybe.)

Gman

(24,780 posts)
179. He used to a few years ago
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 10:20 AM
Nov 2015

Not since he's been back in congress except a post a while back asking opinions if he should run for the senate.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
58. Uh no. I most certainly did not hope for an endorsement from him
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:34 PM
Nov 2015

His ethics are perfectly aligned with Hillary's.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
66. No. You really can't. You
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:42 PM
Nov 2015

haven't been here long enough to know that I'm the chief Grayson critic here at DU.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
68. Irrelevant. Bernie needs endorsements.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:52 PM
Nov 2015
I'm the chief Grayson critic here at DU.


Wow! What an honor! Are there elections or something like that? Or is it just a self-appointed position?

Pretending that you "didn't want" this particular one is laughable. I'm not buying it, sorry. Try again. (I believe you're a critic, I just don't believe you wouldn't have the endorsement if it came candidate's your way.)

If he'd endorsed Bernie, there would be dancing in the streets!

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/

This one endorsement would have increased Bernie's endorsement count by an additional 50%!! (And brought him all the way up to THREE.)

Considering Hillary's current score of 446, I'd say that Berne needs all he can get.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
74. Cali is no fan of Grayson, you should search her posting history.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:05 PM
Nov 2015

It has nothing to do with his supposed endorsement of Clinton.

BTW, I don't think an endorsement from Grayson is anything to brag about either. I think the Clinton Team feels similarly, that's why his name was just included on a list and not a press release just for him .

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
82. I have no doubts about that. I already told her that I believed her. No searching needed.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:15 PM
Nov 2015

I don't know how I could have been any clearer. I'm not sure what purpose it does for me to try and re-explain my opinion in a dozen different ways to a half-dozen different posters. Bernie needs endorsements. Bernie lacks endorsements. Bernie would not have said no to this endorsement. This would have been a 50% "surge" in Bernie's endorsements and celebrations would have continued well into next week.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
77. I don't need to pretend anything, dear nurse.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:09 PM
Nov 2015

People here know how I feel about him. I haven't been shy about it.

And I have no problem with pols I really do like and admire endorsing Hillary. Do I wish Pat Leahy had endorsed Bernie? Sure. Does it change my fondness and admiration for him? Not one iota. Same goes for Sherrod Brown.

And though I support Bernie, I've never had any illusions and I've said from the get go, Hillary will be the nominee.

You truly don't have a clue.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
87. Good grief. Do try a wee bit of logic
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:25 PM
Nov 2015

Here's a simple exercise just for you:

Why would I freely admit to being disappointed that Pat Leahy and Sherrod Brown endorsed Hillary, and yet try to hide disappointment that the repugnant Grayson did?

Do try to engage in a bit of critical thinking, my dear nurse. I'm sure you can do it if you try really hard!

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
89. Because you'd hoped Bernie's endorsement numbers would have improved by now,
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:35 PM
Nov 2015

but they haven't, he remains embarrassingly behind.

Early on it was easier to be sporting about not getting the endorsements. Now that time is running out, it's clear that he NEEDS endorsements, and that supporters oughtn't be so particular at this "late" stage.

Instead of a simply "oh well", it's the increased volume and vitriolic adjectives that cause me to question the sincerity of those who claim they "never wanted it anyway".

Response to NurseJackie (Reply #89)

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
94. I know... THREE!!! A "surge" of 50% more!! Wouldn't that be exciting!!??
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:49 PM
Nov 2015
Not only do you have a critical thinking deficit, but your mind reading abilities really suck.
That's because I'm teasing you.

I do find you amusing however.
I enjoyed playing with you as well. That was fun.

Mosby

(16,319 posts)
112. well that didn't last long
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:12 PM
Nov 2015

Cali's back on a time out:

On Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:55 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

bwahaha. Even if Bernie got Grayson's endorsement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=825471

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

just tired of the insults!

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:00 PM, and the Jury voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Snarky, but not hide worthy in my opinion. The person the poster was addressing did not seem to take offense.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This is the kind of emotional outburst that renders intelligent conversation impossible. It's OK to feel that way. You can day that to your significant other and hopefully be forgiven. But it really makes the whole DU website feel and look ugly when that kind of comment is not edited out before posting. We all feel like saying nasty things like that from time to time -- but please edit it out next time.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Personal attack.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Cali needs to learn how to express herself without engaging in personal attacks.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Personal attack

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
118. To: Juror #1 … You're correct. I did not take offense.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:22 PM
Nov 2015

There must be some long simmering history that I'm unaware of.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
147. This is beyond pathetic. And not even directed at cali but why are people that have been on 4,5,6
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 10:35 PM
Nov 2015

time outs allowed to keep coming back?? I genuinely do not get that.

She was here for what, 24 hours before going back on time out? Folks have been tombstoned for a hell of a lot less around here.

ronnykmarshall

(35,356 posts)
150. and now there's a candle light vigil for her
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 11:03 PM
Nov 2015

Oh so unfair! Cry me a river.

Shit, I got a 90 day time out and I was proud of it. AND I learned from it. But yeah, I had stalkers watching my posts as well, I didn't get a stick up my ass.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
160. Just so you know it's obvious to everyone what you are doing
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 11:53 PM
Nov 2015

I will give you this. It may be a dubious honor, but you play the game well.

 

saturnsring

(1,832 posts)
144. no the post previous to mine was a song about her being back but almost as soon as it was posted
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 08:41 PM
Nov 2015

she was put on hold so I thought the juxtaposition of welcome back and she's gone was kinda funny. it's not like the poster wont be back so it isn't grave dancing just a attempt at levity

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
135. I wonder how many of her posts were alerted on until they got the "right" jury?
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 07:53 PM
Nov 2015

SMH.

some folks live to attack.


It's in their nature I guess. Reminds me of The Scorpion and the Frog tale.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
136. Yep, it is in their nature. They showed that to be true over at the Clinton Cave.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 07:57 PM
Nov 2015

The Cave of vile hatred.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
109. "Grayson has been under the bus here on DU for ages."
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:10 PM
Nov 2015

Well, I guess someone will just have to pull him out and throw him under again!!

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
5. Yea, but wasn't he bought by the "Clinton Machine"
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:58 PM
Nov 2015

Or he could be on the Clinton "hit list" or under the bus, or he could have Stockholm Syndrome.

Response to leftofcool (Reply #5)

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. Fuck. Maybe a trade for the Ronda endorsement. That's about even up.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:00 PM
Nov 2015

Any Sanders supporters want to call him a sell-out? I'll join in. He hurts the party in Florida in a serious way. He is our left wing joke and he won't stop. A couple times a year every damn republican in the state gets to say "see, I told you lefties are full of shit" because of the absolutely stupid shit this guy says or does. Ronda for Mr. Offshore please.

Response to NCTraveler (Reply #7)

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
51. One tough fighter.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:11 PM
Nov 2015

Get ready for her to come back with vengeance. I don't even think I want to watch what happens to the next person they put in front of her. She sure did get her bell rung. A couple days after this is what someone posted to my facebook wall.

Rousey endorses Sanders.
Immediately redistributes belt.

lol

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
123. Please call
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:39 PM
Nov 2015

D.C. Office
430 Cannon House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515

phone: 202-225-9889
fax: 202-225-9742
hours: M-F 9-5:30pm

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
104. Someone would have to call twice.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:07 PM
Nov 2015

you know, just because you never know if the first call was correct, true, or right. It's always good to double check these things.

Response to Historic NY (Reply #9)

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
23. I can remember some them shitting all over an OP he wrote here.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:22 PM
Nov 2015

Completely disrespected him.

I'm surprised to read downthread that he's dating a Big Pharma lobbyist.
I might have to disrespect him now! Makes this endorsement make more sense though.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
33. Do you have a link to the op?
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:38 PM
Nov 2015

Are you talking about the plea for money his staffer published here in his name?

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
46. Why do you say that? I said what I remember. I'm so sorry I can't remember enough to suit your needs
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:45 PM
Nov 2015

There was no assumption involved except your accusatory one.

Your "any port" comment is better directed at any Hillary supporters reccing this endorsement. Or at Grayson for endorsing Clinton.

I don't understand why you are saying it to me.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
59. He doesn't write or post here.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:36 PM
Nov 2015

He has aides that post for him and those posts are usually filled with little blue links asking for money. And I'm pretty sure they are all hit n run OP's. People have asked questions in those threads and no one ever replies.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
35. By that logic, are all of the Sanders people who love him going to say this is a solid endorsemen?
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:39 PM
Nov 2015

I think the guy is an asshole and a real shitty representative of the party. My view hasn't change as you insinuated.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
12. Thump, thump ... thump, thump, thump, thump
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:05 PM
Nov 2015

That is the sound of the wheels of the bus as they go round and round.

I never liked the him, and see him as a political opportunist able to play many of us on the left like a fiddle.

I also never felt the bern, so It is amusing to see a person who was a courageous champion of the left one day be scorned as sell out to Wall Street the next.

There is a "Your with us our against us" vibe going around now days.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
61. Doesn't upset me. His ethics are even worse than Hillary's. Perfect endorsement for her.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:37 PM
Nov 2015

Congrats!

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
65. He seemed to be a DU darling though...
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:41 PM
Nov 2015

He seemed to be a DU darling though his star dimmed a bit here when we learned about his messy personal life.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
169. Well, Grayson kicked President Obama's shins a lot, so that's not surprising.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:24 AM
Nov 2015

President Obama wasn't really liked by many DU members for sometime. I'm happy to learn that's improved a bit.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
13. As I said in another thread, she doesn't need this guy.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:05 PM
Nov 2015

This could be the party leadership's way of hedging their bets after Tester gave old Alan the hand.

How is that FL Senate race shaping up, anyway? Who's keeping track?

And how is Grayson's new "main squeeze," the Big Pharma lobbyist (aka 'enterpreneur') doing in HER race to take his old Congressional seat? You know, the one his former staffer is also running for--and foolishly expected Alan's help and endorsement? Now that's some "under the bus" business, right there. Who to endorse? Your thick and thin staffer....or your new, rich gal-pal?

UGH. It's all just so ugly. Ten foot pole territory, for any candidate.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
71. Yes, that's why he left his wife, humiliating her before their many children.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:01 PM
Nov 2015

He takes his new paramour everywhere--to Congressional functions, to fundraisers, she was acting like the Missus long before he settled that annulment thing-a-ma-bob.

To make matters worse, when he was planning his Senate run, one of his long-term, LOYAL staffers, was planning on running for the congressional seat and expected the boss's endorsement. Then what happened? HIS GIRLFRIEND decided she wanted to run for the seat, too!

Here she is, holding the Bible for "her man:"




She has a big wallet, so she gets access--she's been photographed with everyone from Sanders to (Bill) Clinton to Pelosi to Obama.









And she's in the race, with experience on the Hill limited to supplication:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/political-pulse/os-dena-minning-to-run-for-beau-alan-graysons-post-20150725-post.html


Dr. Dena Marie Minning, a biochemist and medical doctor who has been romantically linked for months to U.S. Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Orlando, filed paperwork late Friday to run for election to his seat in Congress.

A Democrat, Minning, 44, has no Florida political background. She is a medical doctor and a biotechnology entrepreneur who founded and runs MedExpert Consulting Inc.

In the past two years she was listed as a federal lobbyist with her company to represent Biocryst Pharmaceuticals, which advertises the drug Rapivab as a “first-and-only one-dose intravenous treatment for influenza.”

Grayson is declining a re-election bid for his seat, for now, to run for the U.S. Senate in 2016. That has opened up what is becoming a Democratic free-for-all to replace him in Florida's 9th Congressional District, which has a solid Democratic voter base.

Minning has not spoken to any major media about her candidacy, except in a written statement, nor even about the prospect, or about her relationship with the congressman. His marriage of 19 years ended in a contentious court battle over the past 18 months, finally coming to an annulment earlier this month. Nor has Grayson commented about Minning, except in a written statement about her candidacy....Her candidacy creates political intrigue.

A former top Grayson aide, Susannah Randolph, entered the race two weeks ago. Therefore, Minning's candidacy would pit his longtime political associate, Randolph, against his reported girlfriend....

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
98. Yuck. Something about her expression and the pic qualities that makes it look like
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:58 PM
Nov 2015

she photoshopped herself into all those pics.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
100. YES-and she didn't though--that's the awful bit!!
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:04 PM
Nov 2015

She does seem like her face is a bit frozen--that rictus grin and wide eyed stare...

Maybe it's that botox effect? A lot of people use that stuff as a "preventive"--i.e., before they actually "need" (who "needs" really?) it.

She's a doctor, though so she has access to that stuff if she wants to give it a whirl...

MADem

(135,425 posts)
71. Sorry--DU 'stuttered' and I double-posted!
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:01 PM
Nov 2015

Last edited Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:45 PM - Edit history (1)

I deleted this 'un...

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
24. Bitterness? Hardly. I've expressed how I feel about him here for years.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:22 PM
Nov 2015

Has nothing to do with the election.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
53. He's always been under my bus. I've gotten endless shit here about it.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:16 PM
Nov 2015

I'm so tired of the dishonest under the bus meme. I certainly do not throw people under the bus for an endorsement. I didn't do so with my Senator, Pat Leahy when he endorsed her. I didn't do so when Sherrod Brown endorsed her. I can't stand grayson but it has nothing to do with his endorsement, just as I can't stand my governor regardless of his endorsement.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
49. I am not terribly enamored of him now, nor was I before this endorsement
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:10 PM
Nov 2015

He has some positives and many negatives, this doesn't change my opinion of him one whit.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
67. I've criticised him for his personal life, his disgusting rhetoric, his hedge fund bullshit
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:51 PM
Nov 2015

I've criticised him on DU for years.

He's truly a repulsive man.

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

madville

(7,412 posts)
69. Angling for a place in the potential Administration
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:56 PM
Nov 2015

No way he wins the Senate race here so he will need to find something else to do after 2016 anyway. Ambassador to the Cayman Islands?

naoya6161

(147 posts)
90. Can we finally put to rest the idea that Grayson is the "real Democrat" in the Senate primary?
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:36 PM
Nov 2015

Kind of hard to say you're the "real Democrat" when you've endorsed the more centrist candidate for President, someone your main rival has also endorsed (months earlier).

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Cha

(297,323 posts)
142. It isn't just Alan Grayson, who is now under the bus, after being supported and excused all this
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 08:31 PM
Nov 2015

time on DU.. by a more than a few. I don't like him but whoever he supports is his business. I can't vote for him or not vote for him in Florida.

There are "150 Florida Dems" on board for Hillary in Florida.. so far..

snip//

US Senator Bill Nelson
Former U.S. Senator Bob Graham
US Representative Corrine Brown
US Representative Kathy Castor
US Representative Ted Deutch
US Representative Lois Frankel
US Representative Alan Grayson
US Representative Alcee Hastings
US Representative Patrick Murphy
US Representative Frederica Wilson
Former Congressman Joe Garcia
Former Congressman Ron Klein
State Senator Oscar Braynon
State Senate Democratic Leader Arthenia Joyner
State Senator Gwen Margolis
State Senator Maria Sachs
State Senator Chris Smith
State Senator Eleanor Sobel
State Senator Audrey Gibson
State Senator Darren Soto
Democratic House Leader State Representative Mia Jones
Incoming Democratic House Leader State Representative Janet Cruz
State Representative Lori Berman
State Representative Randolph Bracy
State Representative Gwendolyn Clark Reed
State Representative John Cortes

And, the list goes on and on...
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/hillary-clinton-names-more-than-150-democrats-to-her-florida-campaign-team/2254271

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=823111

Thank you, DBS~

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=823111

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
146. Thanks for posting
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 10:16 PM
Nov 2015

I contributed to him in the past and his office calls me constantly for a contribution. I can now give a reason that he will not be getting any money from me. I wish him well.

mvd

(65,174 posts)
175. Well with her lead, I feel some just follow along
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:00 PM
Nov 2015

Grayson is liberal but still more a part of the party establishment than Bernie. What I like is that Bernie is running outside of the establishment. I will proudly support Bernie until he would drop out - I strongly feel he would be the best President and at least equal as a candidate.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
176. What has been happening is perfectly obvious. I never expected a single endorsement from anywhere.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:16 PM
Nov 2015

I was pleasantly surprised by Grijalva and Ellison and Flegel(?) Flegel and Tim Smith (NH state rep.) have both spoken out about the extreme pressure the Party has been applying to endorse Hillary and not to endorse anyone else.

Regardless of the candidate, I would expect all who value democracy to descry this and the rigged debate schedule as well. I was mistaken.

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