Special Investigation: Bernie is not telling the truth when he says he doesn't have a Super PAC.

[Cali_Democrat]

Bernie claims he doesn't have a Super PAC:

https://berniesanders.com/i-dont-have-a-super-pac/

However, that simply isn't true.

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Bernie Sanders benefits from $569,000 in super PAC support from nurses union
by Josh Stewart
NOV. 18, 2015, 11:15 A.M.

Bernie Sanders can often be heard on the campaign trail decrying the role of money in politics. Sanders has stated many times he does not have a super PAC, and even dedicated a page on his website entitled “I don’t have a super PAC.” But it seems he's getting super PAC support — whether he wants it or not.

National Nurses United endorsed Sanders on Aug. 11, and to date the group's affiliated super PAC has spent a little more than $569,000 in support of him. The spending ranges from print and online ads to printing materials, with significant buys in key states like Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada. As of the last super PAC filing on June 30, the group had about $250,000 cash on hand.

National Nurses United for Patient Protection is a super PAC whose primary donor is National Nurses United, a union of more than 185,000 registered nurses across all 50 states. The super PAC also has another donor from its filing earlier this year, a 527 group called Progressive Kick, which runs donor-matching programs for progressive causes.

Using our Real-Time Federal Campaign Finance tracker, we were able to search all of the group's independent expenditures filed with the Federal Election Commission.

Read more:

http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2015/11/18/bernie-sanders-benefits-from-566000-in-super-pac-support-from-nurses-union/

[Scuba]

1. So the nurses have a super pac, and donate money from it to Bernie, ergo sum ...

... you believe it's Bernie's super pac.

Logic fail.

[Cali_Democrat]

3. That's how super PACs work. They aren't allowed to coordinate with the candidates

and are independent.

An interesting thread from earlier this year:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251456316

[cali]

7. Lol. As everyone knows, that is ignored big time and the FEC has admitted as much

Hillary and Jeb have both coordinated with SuperPACs

[reformist2]

79. LOL - No one believes that. No one.

[MADem]

31. No--not "logic fail." That is how all super pacs work. They can't coordinate with the candidate. nt

[Scuba]

34. Well, unless you're Hillary or Scott Walker ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251595545


http://www.politicususa.com/2014/08/23/bombshell-emails-reveal-scott-walker-illegally-coordinated-wisconsin-super-pac.html

[MADem]

37. Here's a link for YOU to read....

http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/sanders-shifting-stance-on-super-pacs/Content?oid=2759783

If you peruse this thread, too, you'll learn Brock has done NOTHING illegal. He's not spending money, you see--the INTERNET is free.

[RichVRichV]

69. Not illegal does not equal "They can't coordinate with the candidate".

Obviously they can and do in certain situations.




That doesn't even take into account candidates coordinating with and fundraising for them before they declare.

[MADem]

73. They can if there's no MONEY on the table. The internet is free.

This has been explained in this thread and others, and Sanders is free to fire up a "Correct the Record" of his own (if he hasn't already).

And there IS no law against coordinating before a declaration--this is common and also not illegal. Once the game is afoot, the rules change. Everybody knows this.

[RichVRichV]

76. Once again, legality has nothing to do with supporting something. That is a false equivalency.

Show me where Bernie Sanders coordinates with or has coordinated with any super pac since declaring. Show me where Bernie Sanders coordinated with or raised funds for a super pac before he declared. Show me where Bernie Sanders has stated he accepts or wants support from super pacs.

You're making the accusation, so prove it. You had better come with more than a hit piece article of innuendo.


There is a difference between a super pac supporting a candidate of their own accord and a candidate accepting and working with a super pac. You know this. No one ever expected any super pacs to not back Bernie, especially if he makes it to the general. He can't stop them from supporting him indirectly. But that is a far cry from him accepting their support.

[MADem]

104. Well, the whole idea is that you're not SUPPOSED to "coordinate." That's against the law if there's

money on the table--it's only OK to coordinate if NO money changes hands at all.


But he certainly THANKED them--he did a big huge video presentation for them. And they have spent a half million (plus) bucks on him between Aug-Nov of this year, and they have a quarter million more in the bank (at least).

[RichVRichV]

107. He thanked the nurses union for their support.

Why wouldn't he thank a union for endorsing and supporting him? A union and a unions super pac are not the same thing.


Show me where Bernie Sanders coordinates with or has coordinated with any super pac since declaring. Show me where Bernie Sanders coordinated with or raised funds for a super pac before he declared. Show me where Bernie Sanders has stated he accepts or wants support from super pacs.

You're making the accusation, so prove it.




It has been proven that Hillary Clinton has coordinated with super pacs. You can't make that same link with Bernie because it doesn't exist.

[MADem]

109. And they spent more and more money on him after he did that.

You can look at the filings yourself. They are a matter of pubic record.

Stop with the "Show me where Sanders coordinates..." nonsense. NO ONE coordinates spending with a SUPER PAC after they have declared their candidacy. It is ILLEGAL to do so. But many candidates make "generic" statements (like thank you videos) after a SUPER PAC has shelled out a good chunk of dough.

It's the nudge-wink of the game.

Either acquaint yourself with the rules, or just stop with the snarking.

Sanders is in the process of EVOLVING on this issue--and there is nothing wrong with that.

Stop trying to play a compare/contrast game.

I'll bet this won't be the only SUPER PAC he takes money from before this race is done. The holidays are upon us, and money gets tight--but he still has fixed expenses. He will need MORE help, not less, between now and February.

[RichVRichV]

111. I understand the rules just fine.

And don't tell me politicians don't coordinate with super pacs.

Hillary does. She's coordinating with a super pac right now, correct the record. And don't give me any bullshit about them not spending money. They wouldn't be a super pac if they weren't spending money. They skirt the rules by not spending money on advertising. Instead they pay people to post pro Hillary slants on political blogs and forums.


I said months ago there would be super pacs backing him. If people have the power to influence politics they will use that power regardless of what any candidate wants.


He has not taken money from any super pac. They spent the money on their own without his permission or blessing. no matter how many times you try to slant that you can't.



BTW, how's that line about Hillary getting 75% of the SEIU members support in a vote working for you? Now that multiple SEIU members on this site have stated the vote never happened.

[MADem]

113. You do NOT "understand the rules just fine." Quite obviously, too, based on your response.

Otherwise, you would know that it is not illegal to coordinate with a super pac that doesn't spend any money on the candidate.

Putting out information over the internet is FREE. If you really, truly think she's breaking the law, report her. Go on--get off those "I understand the rules just fine" best intentions and TURN HER IN. Demand yourself some justice. Write the FEC a letter, make a complaint, sign your name--step up. See how far you get. Stop whining on DU like you think it matters. smh!!!

The Nurses have a SUPER PAC. They spend money IN SUPPORT OF BERNIE SANDERS. That's the DEFINITION of a candidate's SUPER PAC, you know. They don't coordinate with the candidate, but the candidate benefits from their involvement in the process.

They file those expenditures with the FEC.

Here ya go--try READING this--all 55 line items:

http://realtime.influenceexplorer.com/outside-spending/#?ordering=-expenditure_date_formatted&filer_committee_id_number=C00490375


Once you do that, maybe you'll understand why Sanders REMOVED any mention of SUPER PACS from his standard stump speech.

Sanders drops line attacking super PACs from speech after super PAC backs him


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-drops-super-pacs-attack-216088#ixzz3s0bGAP32

[RichVRichV]

114. Actually they are allowed to spend money on Hillary Clinton.

The whole not spending money due to internet exemption thing was actually denied by them. Correct the Record operates off a different exemption.


They're running on an exemption as a hybrid PAC known as a Carey PAC. This allows them to collect and spend unlimited donations as a super PAC as well as run a traditional PAC spending on and coordinating with the campaign.

[MADem]

118. When have they spent money on her? I am not denying your comments, I just haven't seen it.

All I've seen out of those guys is refutation of oppo research from lashers-out, and a poll after a debate.

[RichVRichV]

120. They have raised $1.44M and spent $333,919 so far.

What that money has gone for I have no idea. It's not reported. All I can state is it is raising and spending money and it coordinates with and promotes Hillary Clinton. Since $333k wouldn't go very far on television spending I'd have to presume it's gone to administrative, research, and online expenditures. link



We also know she has had links with Priorities USA super PAC doners. That Super PAC (also promoting Hillary) has raised $15.6M and spent a total of $1.5M so far in 2015.

[MADem]

122. It has to be reported. It doesn't have to be submitted as frequently

in off years (2015 is an off year) but if it is a Super Pac it has to submit expenditures IF they are spent in support of a candidate. They have to file forms that look like this one:

http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/602/201511169003347602/201511169003347602.pdf#navpanes=0

This documents media buys from the Nurse Union Super PAC on behalf of Sanders, but it is the same form.

[RichVRichV]

124. Well they spent $333k somewhere since that was reported to the FEC. So go look it up.

[MADem]

125. You're the one making the charge--I think you need to find out where that money went. nt

[RichVRichV]

127. I showed they have raised and spent money. I've shown she is coordinating with them.

I've met the burden of proof (with links). If you want the gory details you can go look them up.


She supports using super PACs. I don't know why we're wasting our time even arguing this when you yourself admit that neither she nor you have issues with super PACs.

[MADem]

128. No, you have not showed that money going to Clinton. It could have been spent on pizza for all we

know.

You've not met the burden, sorry. I'm sure you can find them if you look--if they're required filings, that is.

[RichVRichV]

130. So a super PAC who's stated mission is "to defend Hillary Clinton from baseless attacks"

isn't spending it's money in support of Hillary Clinton? That's some good logic you've got going there. I say stick with it.


http://correctrecord.org/about/

[MADem]

131. It doesn't cost anything to type stuff up and toss it out on the internet. See? I just did it.

Didn't cost me a dime!

Now, if they flew to Limbaugh's office with a broadsword, intent on doing battle with him, I suppose they could file expenditures for the cost of the broadsword and the plane ticket...

[RichVRichV]

135. They have filed income and expenses with the FEC.

They raised $1.5M regardless of whether it's spent or not. That's obviously going to go somewhere politically related before this is all said and done. You don't need $1.5M to post things for free online. They have spent $333k so far. That has obviously gone somewhere. If it's all going to pizza parties then they're a poor excuse for a PAC of any type.


The money raised is every bit as important and telling as the money spent.

[MADem]

136. You made the charge, as I said--you need to prove your accusations. nt

[RichVRichV]

140. So which part haven't I proven yet?

I proved Correct the Record both makes money and spends money (via FEC filings). I've proven they support Hillary (via their own website), I've proven she coordinates with them (there's dozens of articles in major news sites on that one). Exactly which "accusation" do I still need to prove to you?



And how about you prove something for once, since you're so much into demanding proof. Prove that Bernie has solicited money from the nurses union PAC. Prove that he has coordinated with them. Prove that he has fund raised for them. Prove any link beyond an endorsement. You won't even acknowledge that the nurses union PAC's funds are raised strictly from nurses in the union, much less that the funds were spent independently of Bernie's campaign. Hell, I'll even accept you proving that the SEIU held a vote and Hillary got 75% of it.


You sure do like requiring people prove a bunch of things without reciprocating in kind.

[Recursion]

85. No. No super PAC can donate money to a candidate

Super PACs can spend independently of a campaign, but with the hope of helping that campaign. However, even something as simple as asking a super PAC to pull an ad is illegal for the candidate to do. (The Clinton campaign is very closely skirting the edge of the law here, by writing op-eds about "what they would do if they were running a super PAC" (ahem).

But, if you're going to say any candidates "have" a super PAC, then you have to say Bernie has some too.

[AgingAmerican]

2. Of course superpac's will rise up independent of him

No corporate money!

[AtomicKitten]

4. UNAFFILIATED SuperPac

link: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/30/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-only-presidential-candidates-withou/

Affiliated super PACs are often created or staffed by the candidate's political allies and act as extensions of the official campaigns. Though these independent groups are not allowed to donate directly to or coordinate with campaigns, they’ve have found ways to toe the line.

<snip>

Unaffiliated super PACs are different. The two pro-Sanders super PACs -- Collective Actions PAC and Billionaires for Bernie -- have no ties to Sanders or his campaign.

In fact, Sanders team has asked the unaffiliated super PACs to cut it out. Sanders’ lawyers "have told them to stop," said Michael Briggs, communications director for the Sanders campaign, referring to a cease and desist letter sent to one that formed recently. (That group didn’t file with the FEC until mid September, but received a $50,000 donation from Daniel Craig, the actor who portrays James Bond.)

But because anyone can register a super PAC (this fact-check would be remiss to not mention Stephen Colbert’s Americans for a Better Tomorrow, Tomorrow), candidates can do little to stop one from forming and declaring its support.

The distinction between an affiliated super PAC and an unaffiliated one is significant, said Anthony Corrado, a professor who studies campaign finance at Colby College.

"Sanders has been clear in disavowing any such efforts and noting that he does not want the support of such groups," he said. "So I do not believe the mere existence of a registered committee renders his point invalid."

<snip>

We rate Sanders’ claim Mostly True.

[Cali_Democrat]

5. All super PACs are independent

Also, that article is from Sep 30th and makes no mention of the nurses super PAC.

The article in my OP is from today.

An interesting thread from earlier this year:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251456316

So when DUers attack Hillary for having a super PAC supporting her, surely they will also attack Bernie?

Glass houses and all....

[AtomicKitten]

6. CorrectTheRecord coordinates directly with the Clinton campaign.

How a super PAC plans to coordinate directly with Hillary Clinton’s campaign
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/05/12/how-a-super-pac-plans-to-coordinate-directly-with-hillary-clintons-campaign/

Hillary Clinton’s campaign plans to work in tight conjunction with an independent rapid-response group financed by unlimited donations, another novel form of political outsourcing that has emerged as a dominant practice in the 2016 presidential race.

On Tuesday, Correct the Record, a pro-Clinton rapid-response operation, announced it was splitting off from its parent American Bridge and will work in coordination with the Clinton campaign as a stand-alone super PAC. The group’s move was first reported by the New York Times.

That befuddled many campaign finance experts, who noted that super PACs, by definition, are political committees that solely do independent expenditures, which cannot be coordinated with a candidate or political party. Several said the relationship between the campaign and the super PAC would test the legal limits.

But Correct the Record believes it can avoid the coordination ban by relying on a 2006 Federal Election Commission regulation that declared that content posted online for free, such as blogs, is off limits from regulation. The “Internet exemption” said that such free postings do not constitute campaign expenditures, allowing independent groups to consult with candidates about the content they post on their sites. By adopting the measure, the FEC limited its online jurisdiction to regulating paid political ads.

<snip>

[Cali_Democrat]

8. So Bernie still doesn't have a super PAC?

even though.....

National Nurses United endorsed Sanders on Aug. 11, and to date the group's affiliated super PAC has spent a little more than $569,000 in support of him. The spending ranges from print and online ads to printing materials, with significant buys in key states like Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada. As of the last super PAC filing on June 30, the group had about $250,000 cash on hand.

[AtomicKitten]

9. The National Nurses United is not affiliated with the Sanders campaign.

[Cali_Democrat]

11. When was that Politifact article published

and when was the article in my OP published?

Also, does the politifact article make any mention of the nurses Super PAC?

[AtomicKitten]

13. Irrelevant; the Nat'l Nurses United is not affiliated with the Sanders campaign.

If you disagree, take it up with PolitiFact.

[MADem]

32. They're not buying ads, printing flyers, putting up billboards, etc.

They exist, they have a website, and they transmit their material for free on the internet. They've got the loophole. It is what it is.

[MrMickeysMom]

83. GREAT point of clarification!

I remember Stephen Cobert's SuperPac moments on his program to drive the point home. I cannot imagine there are many on DU who don't know that.

The fact that Sander's campaign gave the "cease and desist order" is pro-active in making the distinction.

[Mnpaul]

88. UNAFFILIATED SuperPac

formed in 2009 - oops

I guess they are truly visionary and got an early start.

[AtomicKitten]

93. Proof positive the Nat'l Nurses United SuperPAC is unaffiliated with the Sanders campaign.

The $$$ was being collected in their political fund well before any candidate had even declared for the 2016 election cycle and before their candidate of choice was selected.

Had the SuperPAC been set up for Bernie Sanders specifically, you'd have a point. But it wasn't so you don't.

Gotcha goes poof.

[MADem]

126. The Nurses' FEC filings state that they are a PAC in SUPPORT of Sanders.

They have affiliated themselves with him by declaring their support for him. There are PACS that set themselves up as OPPOSING a candidate, but that's not what this group is doing.

Sample filing: http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/602/201511169003347602/201511169003347602.pdf#navpanes=0

[ibegurpard]

10. So you're stating the Nurse's Union PAC

Is actually Bernie's PAC is that correct?

You DO realize you're not dealing with a bunch of ignorant rubes here don't you?

[MaggieD]

16. But he said he doesn't have any Super Pacs backing him

Why did he lie about that?

[earthside]

75. Hillary's KKK pac?

By this logic if the KKK set up a super pac and spent money on Hillary ... then this would be a Hillary pac.

If she and/or her supporters denied this was a super pac backing her ... then she would be lying.

I have to say some Hillary supporters are almost pathetic in their attempts to smear Sen. Sanders -- and this is a smear, he is not lying and he doesn't have a campaign affiliated super pac.

[MrMickeysMom]

84. Excellent example...

They have no answers to this. The logic is too strong.

[BainsBane]

12. There are many more

including one run by a former high ranking Sanders staffer.
http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/sanders-shifting-stance-on-super-pacs/Content?oid=2759783

Others include Bet on Bernie 2016 and Billionaires for Bernie. Those are just the ones I happen to know the names of.

[MADem]

36. OUCH--that sort of unravels all of his protests about the topic, doesn't it?

But Sanders isn't being entirely straight when he says he doesn't have a super PAC. By law, such entities can't directly coordinate with the candidates they back, so many are run by close confidantes and former aides well acquainted with the candidates' strategy and message.

Such is the case with Collective Actions PAC, which is operated by Rep. Chris Pearson (P-Burlington), who previously served as Sanders' campaign coordinator and press assistant. Founded in January 2014 as Draft Bernie, the PAC maintains the Run Bernie Run Facebook and Twitter accounts and, according to its website, plans to invest in online advertising.

Pearson says his Super PAC will fund grassroots projects to spread Sanders' message, but he admits it will also serve a more traditional role: skirting fundraising limits by taking contributions from those who've already donated the maximum $2,700 to Sanders' official campaign.

"We're trying to raise big checks, yes," Pearson says. "We'll see how successful I will be."

Collective Actions doesn't have to file a report with the Federal Election Commission until the end of July, and Pearson won't reveal how much he's raised. But in a letter he sent the FEC last month, he wrote that the PAC "has a number of large donors who are interested" in contributing.

http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/sanders-shifting-stance-on-super-pacs/Content?oid=2759783

[blackspade]

100. That would be no.

Sanders does not have a super pac.

Several support him but he has no control over them and does not lend his name to them or fundraise for them.
As for Collective Actions PAC.

http://realtime.influenceexplorer.com/committee/2016/collective-actions-pac/C00555615/

COLLECTIVE ACTIONS PAC (2016 cycle )
Last update: Nov. 19, 2015 | 12:19 p.m.
Downloadable files: Contributions | Disbursements
Alerts: Get automatic alerts when this committee files new campaign finance reports
Total receipts: $0
Total disbursements: $0
Total independent expenditures: $0
Cash on hand (as of None) $0

Committee Type: "O" - Super PAC
Designation: "U" - Unauthorized
Treasurer: CHRISTOPHER PEARSON
Location: BURLINGTON, VT
Filing frequency: Terminated
See filings on the FEC's web site.

or this:

http://us-campaign-committees.insidegov.com/l/53965/Collective-Actions-PAC

Collective Actions PAC is a Super PAC* during the 2016 election. As of the most recent financial filing from the Federal Election Commission (FEC), the committee raised a total of $8,795 and spent a total of $10,523.

How super

or this from this summer:

http://www.fec.gov/agenda/2015/documents/mtgdoc_15-39-a.pdf

A political committee is “unauthorized” if it has not been authorized in writing by a candidate to solicit or receive contributions
or make expenditures on behalf of such candidate. 11 C.F.R.§ 100.5(f)(2). The Committee has not been authorized by Senator Sanders or any other candidate to solicit or receive contributions or make expenditures on the candidate’s behalf. Therefore, the Committee is an unauthorized political committee.

So your entire thesis about this being his pac is bullshit.

[MADem]

101. What about these 55 filings with the FEC between August and November of this year?

http://realtime.influenceexplorer.com/outside-spending/#?ordering=-expenditure_date_formatted&filer_committee_id_number=C00490375


http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2015/11/18/bernie-sanders-benefits-from-566000-in-super-pac-support-from-nurses-union/

National Nurses United endorsed Sanders on Aug. 11, and to date the group's affiliated super PAC has spent a little more than $569,000 in support of him. The spending ranges from print and online ads to printing materials, with significant buys in key states like Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada. As of the last super PAC filing on June 30, the group had about $250,000 cash on hand.


Bingo with Bernie cards, paid for by National Nurses United's super PAC.


National Nurses United for Patient Protection is a super PAC whose primary donor is National Nurses United, a union of more than 185,000 registered nurses across all 50 states. The super PAC also has another donor from its filing earlier this year, a 527 group called Progressive Kick, which runs donor-matching programs for progressive causes.

Using our Real-Time Federal Campaign Finance tracker, we were able to search all of the group's independent expenditures filed with the Federal Election Commission.

Currently, super PACs only have to file reports with the FEC every six months in off years. This increases to quarterly or monthly during the election year. Following these types of expenditures, which are generally reported to the FEC within 48 hours, is one of the ways Sunlight tracks the flow of money out of super PACs and other outside groups.

It is certainly no secret that this group has proudly endorsed Sanders for president. Sanders filmed a video for the group, thanking its 185,000 members for supporting his candidacy. This vote of confidence is viewed as a political win for Sanders as it's his first endorsement from a powerful union.

Look, he HAS a Super Pac. and he's had others before this. It's not illegal, he's done nothing "wrong"--he has simply "evolved" on this issue--deal with it.

[blackspade]

115. A few things here that you failed to mention:

"It is true Sanders does not have an affiliated super PAC run by former aides. In a world where court rulings have allowed these groups to thrive, super PACs have become a very common tool used by unions and similar groups that could align with Sanders to spend money on elections. "

Also the image you posted and was posted on the Sunlight Foundation website was not circulated by the PAC but the Union itself.
So it is disingenuous to keep using this as some beatstick to claim that Sanders has his own PAC. He doesn't.

Also, the video you have posted in this thread and elsewhere is to the Union, thanking them for their support, not the PAC, so we can put that to rest as well.

[MADem]

121. By that light, Hillary Clinton doesn't have "her own Super PAC" either.

Which is WHY Bernie Sanders took that snark OUT of his stump speech.

Do as I say, not as I do is NOT a good look, and he knows it. Pity his supporters haven't figured that out yet.

Sanders' affiliated super pac is the Nurses Union. They are here, on line 655, and you can access their filings through this website, and see all their paperwork filed in SUPPORT of Senator Bernie Sanders for President.

http://www.fec.gov/press/press2011/ieoc_alpha.shtml


Here's their form 1, where they check the block that says they are a PAC.

http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/938/12951654938/12951654938.pdf#navpanes=0

[blackspade]

123. Really?

So all Unions are PACs now?
and all PACs are unions. Got it.
I guess that means that the PAC run by Clinton's former staffers are a union now. Good to know.

[MADem]

129. This union is--according to the FEC FORM ONE. They have an FEC number, too.

That's how we know they are a PAC--because they checked the PAC block on the Form 1.

[blackspade]

133. There are two separate boards.

They are not that same, as much as you want them to be.

[pangaia]

78. Never end a sentence with a preposition.

[MaggieD]

14. LOL - say it ain't so, Bernie

Bernie lied.

[MrMickeysMom]

87. This is yet another silly comment...

But, it obviously makes you feel good, no doubt to call candidates liars when your own candidate was caused of the same.

Go ahead and purge your silly comments. They are sprinkled throughout and we keep clucking our tongues when we read them. After a while they will Bern out. Honesty wins and you'll probably lower your blood pressure, Maggie.

[MaggieD]

90. Hey, I knew he was lying when he said it in the debates

So you know, no biggie. He's also lying to you about all the free stuff he says he's going to get you. He knows there isn't a chance in hell of any of it passing. But he figures he's not going to win, so you'll never figure out he lied to you.

He's a slick one!

[MrMickeysMom]

91. There-There, MaggieD...

I'm sure you thought he said that. That's what it must sounds like to you. Hillary doesn't lie in your world and Bernie is nothing but a big meanie.

[MaggieD]

92. No, he said it.

Bunch of times in fact. Too bad it's just not true, huh?

[MrMickeysMom]

96. It's true to you, MaggieD.... Haven't you learned that you make your own truth?

Isn't it clear by now that when the camp (the candidate I support) following the leadership of Bernie Sanders, which is ever growing and which is voicing their support along each stop along his campaign, chants the same message.... "We must look at the issues... We must find another way to deal with the inequities of our foreign and domestic powers"... Isn't it becoming clearer that this message be discussed?

Why don't you use another approach, rather than the false accusation one that screams, "he's a big meanie" and see what is being challenged in the way we've run this country, and influenced events in the world.

Are you ready to have that conversation, or do you want me to continue to listen to your crying and hold your hand in pity for all your anger.

Again.... I invite you to discuss the issues. Are you ready yet?

[leftofcool]

15. Isn't this a bit similar to the HRC super pac Emily's List?

Tsk, tsk, Bernie.

[mcar]

33. I think it is

[safeinOhio]

17. Nurses, Unions vs

Hedge funds, Bankers, CEOs and Pharmacies. You pick.

[Matariki]

18. Seriously.

The pros aren't really that good at their jobs. It's kind of pathetic.

[leftofcool]

20. Does he or does he not have a super pac?

[Eric J in MN]

44. No, it's not his Super PAC.

The "Ready PAC" exists for Hillary Clinton's campaign, hence the takeoff on her slogan, "Ready for Hillary."

This nurse PAC exists for nurses, not for Bernie Sanders.

[MADem]

53. He does have Super PACS. Plural.

http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/sanders-shifting-stance-on-super-pacs/Content?oid=2759783

[leftofcool]

59. Nice try, no cigar.

[leftofcool]

19. "I don't have a Super Pac"

Are those his word or not?

[Matariki]

22. Do you ever get the impression

Last edited Wed Nov 18, 2015, 06:49 PM - Edit history (2)

that some folks are paid by the post?

[Gamecock Lefty]

21. It's only a Super PAC . . .

when it's for Hillary.

When it's for Bernie it's hard-working Americans giving $2 each to get this great man elected.

Nice logic, Sanders.

[hedda_foil]

23. We all know the difference, and I'm sure you know the difference too.

The Hillary team (or whatever affiliated or aligned SuperPacs may be pushing this) quite certainly know the difference, but are pushing the meme regardless of whether it holds up.

Don't say you don't know. Just in case, though, please read the information and definitions posted above.

[AzDar]

24. Desperate, obtuse... or both?

[DianeK]

29. desperate oem

[ieoeja]

25. How many fundraisers did Bernie hold for the Super PAC?

How many times has Bernie met with this Super PAC?

I think those are the important points.

[leftofcool]

26. "I don't any any super pacs" signed Bernie Sanders

[ibegurpard]

30. cause its not his PAC

It's the Nurses PAC. Who does the "Correct the Record" PAC represent?

[Sheepshank]

27. Bernie should be happy that there is a noble trade out there trying to help his candidacy.

I'm not sure why Bernie is constantly making a big deal about PACs, super or otherwise. All Bernie did with that statement is paint himself into a corner since there are plenty of PACS, all candidates have absolutely no control over.

He was trying to imply that any candidate that has a PAC in their corner, makes the candidate a lesser of a person. Apparently that just isn't so, right Bernie fans? Bernie is still super duper.

[Starry Messenger]

35. +1

I don't know why he makes a big deal out of that either. PACs are made up of contributions, and that is what campaigns run on.

[Truprogressive85]

28. HRC supporters are looking desperate

Those evil nurses and their dark pool of money

[MADem]

41. No, they aren't--but that kind of comment about the nurses doesn't do anything for you.

The point isn't that the nurses are evil (they aren't) or their money is dark (it is not).

The point is that Sanders decried Super Pacs. And now he's doing something very different from what he said he was doing.

Read the whole thread. He said one thing, he's doing another. It's not the end of the world, but it does speak to his ability to be a bit "flexible" when it comes to campaign finance issues when the reality of the expenditures hit.

In sum, it's tough to be holier than thou when one is in the same position as the rest of those "thous."

[ibegurpard]

54. the Nurses PAC represents the nurses

The Hillary PACS represent Hillary. There is no PAC representing Bernie and the only one I had heard of he had disavowed. If you don't know the difference I suggest you stop commenting about it.

[MADem]

64. And the Bernie Pacs represent Bernie. You might want to click on a link on occasion.

You might just learn something. http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/sanders-shifting-stance-on-super-pacs/Content?oid=2759783

[mwrguy]

38. "Does your dog bite?" "No."

*chomp*

"That is not my dog."

[Eric J in MN]

39. Having a Super PAC is different from "getting super PAC support." NT

NT

[Cali_Democrat]

42. LOL. nt

[Eric J in MN]

45. You can laugh at "Open Secrets" too since they

...don't list National Nurses as Bernie Sanders' Super PAC:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/candidate.php?id=N00000528

[Cali_Democrat]

47. The article in my OP is from today

When was the open secrets web page you linked to last updated?

The bottom of your article:

NOTE: All the numbers on this page are for the 2016 election cycle and based on Federal Election Commission data released electronically on Friday, October 16, 2015.

[ibegurpard]

55. Are you truly this uninformed?

Or are you just trolling?

[MADem]

67. You might want to look at the rolling total submitted to the FEC in post 66.

I don't think they have to file all their expenditures for the year until next June.

But they tell the FEC every time they spend money.

Not nice to call someone a troll, especially when you are wrong. You should apologize.

[blackspade]

82. Actually it is from July 22.

"This story originally appeared in the Fair Game column, Conflicting Stories, July 22, 2015"

This is a classic hit piece filled with innuendo and suppositions not based on facts.
And a recycled one at that.
But do carry on with your usual tirade of bullshit.

[MADem]

66. I don't think they have to report until next June. Don't be so quick to be certain about things.

Those FEC rules are pretty convoluted. But here's their running expenditures to date:

http://realtime.influenceexplorer.com/outside-spending/#?ordering=-expenditure_date_formatted&filer_committee_id_number=C00490375

Committee Support
Oppose Candidate District Payee Amount Date Purpose
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Lamar Companies - Baton Rouge, LA $2,250 2015-11-17 Print advertising
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Outfront Media - Fairfield, NJ $9,299 2015-11-16 Print advertising
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Outfront Media - Fairfield, NJ $11,967 2015-11-16 Print advertising
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Alliance Graphics - Berkeley, CA $2,144 2015-11-12 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Alliance Graphics - Berkeley, CA $12,115 2015-11-12 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Alliance Graphics - Berkeley, CA $1,161 2015-11-12 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Autumn Press - Berkeley, CA $28,835 2015-11-11 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Autumn Press - Berkeley, CA $1,256 2015-11-11 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Alliance Graphics - Berkeley, CA $10,065 2015-11-10 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD California Nurses Association - Oakland, CA $10,466 2015-11-10 Online advertising
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD California Nurses Association - Oakland, CA $9,805 2015-11-10 Online advertising
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Lamar Companies - Baton Rouge, LA $19,688 2015-11-09 Print advertising
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Autumn Press - Berkeley, CA $466 2015-11-06 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Campaign Workshop - Washington, DC $23,824 2015-11-06 Online advertising
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Clear Channel Outdoor - San Antonio, TX $45,300 2015-11-04 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Lamar Companies - Baton Rouge, LA $8,250 2015-11-03 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Lamar Companies - Baton Rouge, LA $56,000 2015-11-03 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Lamar Companies - Baton Rouge, LA $29,125 2015-11-03 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Lamar Companies - Baton Rouge, LA $5,560 2015-11-03 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Outfront Media - Newark, NJ $13,676 2015-11-03 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Autumn Press - Berkeley, CA $1,133 2015-10-28 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Autumn Press - Berkeley, CA $2,726 2015-10-28 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Postal Systems, Inc. - San Leandro, CA $2,294 2015-10-28 Postage
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Alliance Graphics - Berkeley, CA $2,487 2015-10-23 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Alliance Graphics - Berkeley, CA $612 2015-10-23 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Alliance Graphics - Berkeley, CA $7,180 2015-10-21 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD National Nurses United - Oakland, CA $184 2015-10-19 Music use licensing fee
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Alliance Graphics - Berkeley, CA $778 2015-10-15 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Autumn Press - Berkeley, CA $26,607 2015-10-13 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Alliance Graphics - Berkeley, CA $6,368 2015-10-12 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD ELead Resources - Chicago, IL $56,774 2015-10-12 Printing shipping
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Alliance Graphics - Berkeley, CA $2,388 2015-10-12 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Autumn Press - Berkeley, CA $447 2015-10-09 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Autumn Press - Berkeley, CA $295 2015-10-09 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Autumn Press - Berkeley, CA $3,021 2015-10-09 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Alliance Graphics - Berkeley, CA $10,325 2015-10-08 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Alliance Graphics - Berkeley, CA $5,111 2015-10-08 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Alliance Graphics - Berkeley, CA $4,901 2015-10-08 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Autumn Press - Berkeley, CA $3,951 2015-10-07 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Autumn Press - Berkeley, CA $5,250 2015-10-07 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Autumn Press - Berkeley, CA $17,968 2015-09-30 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Autumn Press - Berkeley, CA $19,424 2015-09-30 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Alliance Graphics - Berkeley, CA $28,489 2015-09-26 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Autumn Press - Berkeley, CA $5,197 2015-09-25 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD National Nurses United - Oakland, CA $723 2015-09-25 Shipping
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Alliance Graphics - Berkeley, CA $10,325 2015-09-25 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Autumn Press - Berkeley, CA $250 2015-09-25 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Alliance Graphics - Berkeley, CA $5,352 2015-09-25 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD ELead Resources - Chicago, IL $4,029 2015-08-28 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD ELead Resources - Chicago, IL $4,211 2015-08-28 Printing shipping
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD ELead Resources - Chicago, IL $21,669 2015-08-28 Printing shipping
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Alliance Graphics - Berkeley, CA $3,392 2015-08-28 Printing shipping
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Alliance Graphics - Berkeley, CA $1,200 2015-08-28 Printing
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD Autumn Press - Berkeley, CA $2,832 2015-08-28 Printing shipping
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
SUPPORT
SANDERS, BERNARD National Nurses United - Oakland, CA $28 2015-08-26 Printing

[MADem]

68. Even if it has his NAME in it? nt

[Eric J in MN]

70. What do you mean by his name? NT

NT

[MADem]

72. If a PAC that has "HILLARY" in it (or even one that doesn't--like "Correct the Record") can

be accused of being a "Hillary" Super PAC, is it not fair to assume that a PAC with BERNIE in it, or a PAC that says they are supporting BERNIE SANDERS in their FEC filings, might be construed to be a "Bernie" Super PAC?

This is a simple yes or no question.

[Eric J in MN]

74. No, it depends on whether the Super PAC was formed to support him

...fund-raises by referring to him, gives to other candidates, if he asks people to donate to them, if he speaks at their events.

[MADem]

102. You mean, like THIS PAC:

http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2015/11/18/bernie-sanders-benefits-from-566000-in-super-pac-support-from-nurses-union/

Who have raised and spent over a half milion in support of him, as detailed in these FEC filing documents (scroll down and note the "support" column right before Sanders' name):

http://realtime.influenceexplorer.com/outside-spending/#?ordering=-expenditure_date_formatted&filer_committee_id_number=C00490375

They have at least a quarter million still in the kitty for him, as well.

He recorded a video thanking them for their support.

https://vimeo.com/143471247

[blackspade]

116. Nice try.

This is a video thanking the UNION not the PAC.

[MADem]

117. Go down to Number 655. Read what's on that line.

This "union" IS a Super Pac--unless the FEC are a bunch of liars.

http://www.fec.gov/press/press2011/ieoc_alpha.shtml

It's possible to walk and chew gum at the same time, you know.

[blackspade]

119. So a PAC is a union?

This just keeps getting more laughable.

The union has a PAC. The union is not a PAC.

[MADem]

132. You keep LOLing, but you've been proven wrong already. The Union also operates AS A PAC.

Unless they are lying to the FEC on their Form 1.

And I don't think they are.

[blackspade]

134. Nope. Not even close.

But thanks for playing!

[MADem]

137. You're the one who is playing, and you're making your candidate look bad.

Bernie has said he is "honored" by the support from his Super PAC, and you keep LOLing on that he doesn't have one. Try to keep up with the guy you purport to support, do!

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/fundraising/260754-sanders-campaign-honored-by-500k-support-from-super-pac

November 19, 2015, 11:19 am
Sanders campaign 'honored' by $500K support from super-PAC

The Bernie Sanders presidential campaign says it is “honored” to receive more than $500,000 in support from a nurses union super-PAC, saying the independent financial backing in no way contradicts the Vermont senator’s opposition to big-money politics.

“We are honored to have the support of National Nurses United,” said Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver, responding to a report by the Sunlight Foundation — a group that tracks money in politics — that reveals the super-PAC has already spent $569,000 helping Sanders this primary season.

Sanders has made it a point of pride that he disavows all super-PAC money, and unlike the Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, has not endorsed an unlimited spending group in support of his candidacy.
Getting support from the nurses’ super-PAC does not affect Sanders’s purity on the issue, his campaign suggested in an email.

This ain't going away. The more you guys push back, the more the story gains traction. You should take a hint from what he is saying (that he is HONORED) and what he is NOT saying (that SUPERPACS are baaaaaad--the line he took out of his speech).

[blackspade]

138. I can't change the way you feel about things.

Enjoy your word games!

[MADem]

139. I don't "feel" any particular way about facts. They are what they are. nt

[Armstead]

40. A Specuial Investigation of the webpage of those nefarioius nurses

Kind of looks like they have a lot on their plate, beyond Sanders. Proper medical care, access to coverage, horrible goals like that.

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Nurses Hold Rally, Speak Out on Unsafe Patient Lift Practices at UC Medical Centers
Nurses Hold Rally, Speak Out on Unsafe Patient Lift Practices at UC Medical Centers

Registered nurses will gather at UCSF Medical Center at Mission Bay on Thursday to speak out about the UC Medical Center’s failure to provide RNs with legally mandated safe lifting practices, the California Nurses Association (CNA) announced today. —California Nurses Association, 11/18/15 More »

California Press Releases
Nurses Criticize Clinton’s Attack on Single Payer
Nurses Criticize Clinton’s Attack on Single Payer

National Nurses United, the largest U.S. organization of nurses, condemned the Hillary Clinton campaign today for its attack on Sen. Bernie Sanders’ proposal for healthcare for all, including its slanted use of data on the economics of Medicare for all. More »

Nurses' Values Press, Vote Nurses' Values, Main Street Contract, Medicare For All Press Releases
Nurses for Bernie community party in Fremont, CA.
Nurses for Bernie community party in Fremont, CA.

Over the past few months, in living rooms & community centers across the country, nurses have been gathering to host parties in support of Bernie Sanders. Nationwide we’ve been coming together to talk about Bernie’s candidacy and brainstorm ways we can help. This past weekend, around 150 nurses and community members came together for a Nurses For Bernie Community Party in Fremont, CA. —National Nurses United, 11/18/15 More »

California, Vote Nurses' Values Blog
Hundreds of Nurses Join Million Student March
Hundreds of Nurses Join Million Student March

In solidarity with students across the country protesting the outrageous costs and crippling debts of their college educations, more than 800 registered nurses with the California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee and National Nurses United marched and rallied Nov. 12 with University of California at Berkeley students as part of the Million Student March. —National Nurses United, 11/13/15 More »

Vote Nurses' Values, Main Street Contract, Robin Hood Tax Blog
Nurses, students can help each other solve education funding problems
Nurses, students can help each other solve education funding problems

Yesterday, hundreds of registered nurses from around California joined the UC Berkeley student walkout as part of the #millionstudentmarch national day of action. There were walkouts, teach-ins and rallies held at more than 100 college campuses including at UC Davis, UC Santa Cruz, UC Riverside, UC Irvine and UC San Diego. The national day of action focused on three key demands: tuition-free public education, cancellation of all student debt and $15 per hour campuswide minimum wage at every college in the country. —Katy Roemer / The Daily Californian, 11/13/15 More »

California, Vote Nurses' Values, Main Street Contract, Robin Hood Tax News
RNs to Rally for Bernie Saturday Prior to Iowa Debate
RNs to Rally for Bernie Saturday Prior to Iowa Debate

Registered nurses from Iowa and several nearby states will join Drake Students for Sen. Bernie Sanders for a rally in Des Moines Saturday, prior to the second Democratic debate. Nurses, who will be on hand from Minnesota, Illinois, Missouri, and Kansas as well as Iowa, will also canvass for Sanders prior to the rally, which is scheduled at Drake Park near the Drake University debate site. —National Nurses United, 11/12/15 More »

Iowa, Nurses' Values Press, Vote Nurses' Values Press Releases
Hundreds of Nurses Will Join Million Student March Action at U.C. Berkeley
Hundreds of Nurses Will Join Million Student March Action at U.C. Berkeley

Hundreds of nurses from throughout Northern California will join a student rally at U.C. Berkeley today as part of the Million Student March national day of action, the California Nurses Association announced today. The national day of action was inspired by Sen. Bernie Sanders' idea that the goal of free public college and university could be achieved if one million students took to the streets and continued to march until it was won. —National Nurses United, 11/12/15 More »

Press Releases
International Nurse News Round-Up
International Nurse News Round-Up

See a collection of links to news stories about nurses in other nations, and how they are advocating for their patients. —Global Nurses United, 11/11/15 More »

Global Nurses United News
Apply now! Scholarships for NNU’s Women’s Global Health Leadership classes.
Apply now! Scholarships for NNU’s Women’s Global Health Leadership classes.

Full-tuition scholarships are available for NNU members interested in building global solidarity with those who share RN values of caring, compassion, and community. To apply for a full-tuition scholarship for a course, please submit a short essay (250 to 500 words) describing how the topic of the course will inform your RN patient advocacy. NNU members may apply for a scholarship for more than one course. A separate essay is required for each course for which an RN seeks a scholarship. —National Nurses United, 11/11/15 More »

[MADem]

43. You're the only one calling them nefarious. They aren't nefarious.

They're running a super pac, though, and they are spending money in support of a candidate.

A candidate who said he wouldn't take any of that super pac money.

Sanders has adjusted his POV on this issue.

http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/sanders-shifting-stance-on-super-pacs/Content?oid=2759783

[Armstead]

46. An endorsement by an existing group that...

..works on a lot of issues because he shares their goals, is a lot different than PACs formed by wealthy and powerful supporters of a candidate specifically to promote that candidate to get favorsd when elected.

I will admit Sanders should acknowledge that he's not going to turn down help from appropriate groups that support him. But a group of nurses who advocate for better care and access is hardly a violation of the spirit of his campaign.

[leftofcool]

48. Bernie Sanders "I do not have any super pacs"

[Armstead]

49. He does not

A bunch of do-gooder nurses in an existing union that has long fought for improvements to healthcare set up a Pac.

He's supposed to say "Don't endorse me"?

[MADem]

52. He DOES have super pacs--not just these nurses.

http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/sanders-shifting-stance-on-super-pacs/Content?oid=2759783

[ibegurpard]

97. OP led with a LIE

Argument thus invalidated. No further research necessary.

[MADem]

98. OP did not "lead with a lie." What an uncivil thing to say. The OP is accurate.

Trying to declare victory and drop the mic doesn't cut it when you make an untrue statement like that.

[ibegurpard]

105. Nurses Union PAC is not Bernie's PAC

That is a fucking LIE.

[MADem]

110. It is a SUPER PAC supporting Bernie Sanders.

Not a "fucking LIE" you rude, uncivil individual.

ibegurpard
105. Nurses Union PAC is not Bernie's PAC
View profile
That is a fucking LIE.

If you can't read a FEC filing, I can't help you.

[MADem]

50. No, it's not a violation of campaign laws, certainly . There's nothing wrong with taking the

financial support. But he certainly did say one thing (and he was kind of snarkily sanctimonious about it too), and did another, and, given that other candidates are incessantly challenged even when they have repeatedly acknowledged they changed their mind or "evolved," it's salient to mention that we haven't really heard an "I've evolved" comment on this particular matter.

http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/sanders-shifting-stance-on-super-pacs/Content?oid=2759783

[leftofcool]

57. "I do not have a super pac" signed Bernie Sanders

[MrMickeysMom]

89. Yes, and I was sleep deprived when I made that comment... I mis-spoke...

z-z-z-z-z-z-z

[Juicy_Bellows]

51. Obtuse

[ibegurpard]

56. no...trolling

[Juicy_Bellows]

58. Haha!

I keep trying that honey thing!

[RobertEarl]

60. You are real good at disinfo

I can't wait until H> is done so we don't have to read such crap anymore. I mean, really, these kind of posts from you make DU suck.

Cali-democrat is making a bad name for itself, indeed.

[ibegurpard]

61. Not really

Good disinformation has to be credible on some level. This is just ignorant nonsense.

[winter is coming]

62. OTOH, you can pretty much rely on it being bullshit, so it's reverse info.

[RobertEarl]

65. Thanks for the correction

It is just ignorant nonsense.

[MADem]

71. Tell that to the FEC.

http://realtime.influenceexplorer.com/outside-spending/#?ordering=-expenditure_date_formatted&filer_committee_id_number=C00490375

Real-Time Federal Campaign Finance

Total of 55 results found.

[riderinthestorm]

81. Did you know you were alerted on?

On Wed Nov 18, 2015, 06:09 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

You are real good at disinfo
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=826204

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Over the top personal attacks add nothing to the discussion and THIS is what makes DU suck.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Nov 18, 2015, 06:21 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Criticism is not a personal attack.
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Explanation: Claiming "over the top personal attacks" is laughable, coming from those who are in "Berniebro" attack mode 24/7.
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I was #7.

[MaggieD]

63. Oh for god's sake Bernie peeps

He's lying when he says he has no super pac support. Deal with it crissakes!!

[valerief]

77. I thought if you know who the donors are, it's just a pac. It's a superpac when

you don't know who the donors are.

[Recursion]

86. No, Super PACs also have to report donors. You're thinking of soft money

That's given directly to a party to pay for things other than advertisements, and need not be disclosed.

Super PACs file their donor records with the FEC, though unfortunately the scheduling is such that the last few months aren't disclosed until after the election.

[Doctor_J]

80. Hillary says she took sniper fire and tried to join the marines and grew up poor

Meanwhile Sanders knows nothing about this PAC, unlike, say, Hillary w/ David Brock's.

The only way you can make hay out of this is to ignore 95% of the facts.

[MADem]

99. Sanders knows about this PAC--they do all his printing work for him. Flyers for rallies, etc.

Look at the rolling filing sheet--they've spent money 55 times on him, so far, and told the FEC about it.

And if we want to talk about what people "said" way back when, do you really want to go there? Shall we talk about Sanders' attitudes towards women and sex, or what he had to say about what he said caused cervical cancer in women? You want to go there? Because we can, if you're going to talk about stuff that candidates have admitted were mistakes--there's a LOAD of that to go around. Sniper fire is SMALL POTATOES in the big scheme. I'm betting that the GOP won't be shy at all to bring up some of that wackadoodle stuff--if they ever got the opportunity.

[Todays_Illusion]

94. Implying that Bernie Sanders had anything to do with creating that organization is extremely

dishonest.

Sunlight Foundation is a lobbying group quite laughable called liberal by conservatives. They probably support Hillary.

[MADem]

103. So, those FEC filings--all fifty five of them, totalling a half million dollars spent in support of

Sanders' presidential run--that's all a grand conspiracy, too? The FEC is 'in' on it?

http://realtime.influenceexplorer.com/outside-spending/#?ordering=-expenditure_date_formatted&filer_committee_id_number=C00490375

[McCamy Taylor]

95. No candidate owns a SuperPac---and anyone can form a SuperPac for any candidate.

So Bernie told the truth----but implied a lie about the others.

[reformist2]

106. Quite frankly, the claim in the OP is a lie. What does DU do with threads like these?

[Cha]

108. Sanders drops line attacking super PACs from speech after super PAC backs him

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141265909

[AgingAmerican]

112. Bernie Sanders is in the 'No Corporate Money' club

Takes no corporate money