2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCan't wait to see the Big Dog campaigning for Hillary in the General Election.
Remember this moment in 2012?
'ZEE-RO'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101755318
BootinUp
(47,197 posts)riversedge
(70,310 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)a pre-recorded video speech. As Democrats we have so much to be proud of, and thankful for!
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)that are anti-Clinton how awful it was to have 8 years of peace and prosperity-not perfect by any means but sandwiched between the disastrous Bush years it was pretty damn good.
kath
(10,565 posts)caused a lot of damage to this country:
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/15-ways-bill-clintons-white-house-failed-america-and-world
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)He didn't fuck me over. I'll take those 8 years over any of the other Presidencies in my 67 years. This lumping of the 99% is ridiculous-I also love revisionist history. The good is not the enemy of the perfect.
kath
(10,565 posts)Disastrous policies like NAFTA, repeal of lasssteagall. Welfare "reform", massive incarceration in private prisons, financial industry derugulation, telecommunication deregulation, etc., so everything looked just peachy for a while.
Now, not so much.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Modernization Act of 2000 which had a lot to do with the financial crisis and Sanders voted for this one.
I think I remember telecommunications was divided in the 80's, the only company regulated was AT&T and the Bell companies.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Sanders voted for a more benign version of that bill. He also voted for the final worst one along with many others that was slammed/snuck through
And goddamn read his speeches and testimony and legislative actions at the time.
I get so sick Clinton supporters harping on one slip-up by Sanders, by people who are apologists for the far worse and deliberate actions of Bill Clinton on those issues.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-wall-street_5617f634e4b0dbb8000e5a58
"No one has a stronger record on reforming Wall Street and breaking up too-big-to-fail banks than Senator Sanders," said Warren Gunnels, senior policy adviser to Sanders. "He strongly spoke against repealing Glass-Steagall because he was afraid that it could cause a financial crisis like the one we saw in 2008. And he's going to do everything possible to break up the too-big-to-fail banks."
When Sanders voted for the House version of the CFMA in October 2000, the bill was not yet a total debacle for Wall Street accountability advocates. The legislative text Sanders supported was clearly designed to curtail regulatory oversight. The GOP-authored bill was crafted as a response to a proposal from ex-Commodity Futures Trading Commission Chair Brooksley Born to ramp up oversight of derivatives. But the version Sanders initially voted for was more benign than the final, Gramm-authored version, and it didn't draw any of the protests that the 1999 repeal of Glass-Steagall did. In October 2000, the bill passed the House by a vote of 377 to 4 (51 members didn't vote), and then sat on the shelf for weeks.
But in December, Gramm -- after coordinating with top Clinton administration officials -- added much harder-edged deregulatory language to the bill, then attached the entire package to a must-pass 11,000-page bill funding the entire federal government. After Gramm's workshopping, the legislation included new language saying the federal government "shall not exercise regulatory authority with respect to, a covered swap agreement offered, entered into, or provided by a bank." That ended all government oversight of derivatives purchased or traded by banks. He also created the so-called "Enron Loophole," which barred federal oversight of energy trading on electronic platforms.
This was an era in which voting against funding the federal government was considered a major governance faux pas. The bill sailed through both chambers of Congress, with few lawmakers even aware of the major new deregulatory changes.
Sanders has since hammered the CFMA, its architects and specific provisions in Senate hearings and on the Senate floor. He helped push through legislation to close the Enron loophole in 2008. He voted against the bank bailouts of 2008, and has cried foul on heavy Wall Street speculation in the derivatives market for oil, saying it needlessly drives up gas prices. He has voted to break up the largest banks, and supports reinstating the Depression-era firewall between conventional lending and risky securities trading.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)directly attributed to his policies? How about the rise in the prison population? Jobs going overseas?
He had me snookered once too but open your eyes and you can see that not everyone benefited from his policies.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)This is from someone who has been on the front lines working with homeless kids for the last 28 years.
No one, and I mean NO ONE, has done more damage in this arena than Mr. Reagan himself.
Fucking Reagan. Full stop.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)After 5 years you are on your own.
quickesst
(6,283 posts)...
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Even if Bernie won the primary, Bill Clinton will never campaign for him. Hillary will and Obama might but Bill won't.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)DOMA, welfare "reform"... what a legacy!
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Menshunables
(88 posts)In fact, he was a liability. So please, proceed Mr. Clinton.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Sure, he helped her defeat a more liberal and electable opponent in the 2010 Arkansas Democratic Primary, but he couldn't even bring her up to 40% in the general election-- in his home state.
oasis
(49,410 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)on DU to a lynch mob. I will not forget that stuff. Sorry.
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left lowrider
(97 posts)A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.
What the hell?
Thats when "the clintons" lost me.
I am not excited to see mr NAFTA out on the campaign trail purporting to represent the left.
BTW- Obama really downplayed rrace and didn't remind us at every chance that he would be the first black president or that he gets a lot of donations from blacks. . .see how bad that sounds
kath
(10,565 posts)Lot of donations from blacks".
Yes., this.
And it's utterly cringe-worthy that HRC keeps doing those things. Just gross.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Cha
(297,723 posts)Like she did for him in 2008~
"The two senators focused on economic themes at the start of an intensive three-day push in the Sunshine State, a critical battleground that voted for President Bush in the last two elections but where Mr Obama now has a slight edge in the polls.
As Mrs Clinton made a heartfelt appeal to her supporters "to work as hard for Barack as you did for me", her husband, former president Bill Clinton, turned out for Mr Obama nearly 3,000 miles to the west in another battleground, Nevada.
In a trio of stops, Mr Clinton pressed the case for an Obama presidency, arguing he was the candidate best suited to restoring the "American dream" and repairing "America's standing in the world".
More..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/3232604/Barack-Obama-and-Hillary-Clinton-campaign-together-in-Florida.html
as well as others of the Democratic Party.
Cha
(297,723 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)Woo-hoo!
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)then lots of Southern and Western states will be in play that are normally a lock for the repub. Bill can help in some of those places.
liberal N proud
(60,346 posts)They can speak on a subject without looking at one note card or teleprompter.
postatomic
(1,771 posts)Looking forward to having him as First Dude in the White House.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)not simply bringing a Clinton 2 administration.
Hekate
(90,829 posts)There's so much bile here directed at DEMOCRATS that I really have to wonder about the real affiliations of the bilious ones.
Both Obama and Clinton have had to struggle against the GOP, which hates them passionately. Why people can't seem to remember that I do not know.
Cha
(297,723 posts)they never meet an insult that's too inane to slur.