2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI see only one way that Bernie wins the nomination.
I think that Hillary looks fairly unstoppable now.
I see only one way that Bernie pulls it off.
That is to convince Elizabeth Warren to be his running mate.
Very doubtful, I know.
But, if she would and they could announce it before the next debate, it would change everything.
Bernie might also announce that, because of his age, he will only serve one term. Thereby, giving Elizabeth the reins in four years.
Elizabeth would need to go out on the campaign trail and talk about the role of "banking sector type czar" that she will fill while VP.
I know it's a huge pipe dream.
But, I think it's his only chance.
I'm new here....but, flame away everyone. I can take it...lol.
brooklynite
(94,745 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I do have my curiosity about your origin and motive. No speculation whatsoever, just curiosity.
On edit: And wouldn't it be pretty to think so.
Funtatlaguy
(10,887 posts)It's just what I think.
I back Bernie, but am a yellow dog and will heartily support Hillary in the general.
Not sure what you mean by origin?
I live in Atlanta and I volunteer in dem campaigns most elections.
Unfortunately, Georgia has completely flipped from blue to red in the last twenty tears.
However, our demographics are headed in the right direction.
That help?
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Just curiosity.
OK, I'll admit to wondering how newbies find their way here. I could be wrong, but I don't think it's exactly a bustling hub. I'm here because it's seriously the only format I like, and enough people I like frequent it.
Funtatlaguy
(10,887 posts)Only new to posting for a while.
Have been here for many years.
Was once GeorgiaDem but my new iPad somehow wouldn't let me in or get a new password.
So, I had to pick a new screen name.
This site and DailyKos were my sanity sources during the Bush years.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Kinda ditto here.
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TexasTowelie
(112,453 posts)That was over four years and 20,000 posts ago.
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Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)President, it would be different, but doubtful she would select Sanders as VP. Ergo, getting Sanders as nominee is probably not going to happen.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Be the smartest for us to elect a person at president and then hire someone to do the job, just elect the hires person to do the job.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)A political candidate/officeholder is a team, not a single person. (Sorry, I really, really can't resist adding, "duh."
I agree with his foreign policy views, and trust him to appoint people who would support them.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Position.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Can't blame Clinton or Obama (or Kerry) totally for the mess we're in, but the current volatile state of the world is not exactly a testament of far-sighted policies or actions.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)BTW, just because you point out problems you accredit to Clinton, Obama or Kerry, means these were doing something, if you don't do anything then you may not be doing anything right.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Hillary is the one that has a track record showing complete ineptitude in foreign policy. That includes especially her current positions on the ME miasma.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,968 posts)...don't think she would agree to it, though.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)If Sanders wins NH and Iowa..... it may be hard for M$M to keep Clinton sufficiently propped.
Then again, maybe people.... even the DEM primary electorate....are really ok w. things as they are.
In which case.... more of the same for at least 4 and probably 8 more years.
Re. Warren: she doesn't really add anything to the Sanders case.... except perhaps for a few deep thinkers whose votes and allegiance will be based on gender.
I don't think there's that many of them. At least I HOPE there isn't.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I participate in the speculation only out of sheer boredom.
Funtatlaguy
(10,887 posts)I think there are many people that think this country is long overdue for a female.
Plus, I think that Warren became an excellent campaigner late in her Senate primary.
I think she could draw big crowds as Bernie has.
One of them camped out in Iowa and the other in New Hampshire.
The earned (free) media would be massive because it would be something new for them other than just Trumps daily outrage.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)It's that she's saying the same things Bernie's saying. And of course she could draw the same crowds if she did the same tour.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)... it may be tough for Sanders to keep it going.
OTOH, unlike the cookie cutter pols of this age.... and that would be everybody else, DEM and GOP in the race currently.... a poor initial showing is not going to result in a huge fall-off of corporate cash for Sanders.
The Sanders base will probably keep funding him pretty much full tilt. They're funding him in order to change the political culture of the US.
NOT because they expect favors or jobs if he wins. They're not making a financial investment.
You see the difference. Yes?
immoderate
(20,885 posts)We don't want Bernie to peak too soon.
--imm
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)I'm not aware of any candidates announcing the VP nominee before the Iowa caucus. Usually it's at the national convention or shortly before the national convention.
I don't know if Elizabeth Warren would agree to it. Does she like Bernie Sanders so much that she would join forces with him while he's behind in the polls?
Gman
(24,780 posts)Last edited Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:12 PM - Edit history (1)
On the bright side Sanders has done a great job so far pushing the discussion toward his issues. And that's far from over. That discussion will go on long after the convention. It's what he said was his goal a year ago.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I think Hillary, if nominated, will spring right back.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)VPs usually aren't considered until after primaries, but who knows.
Funtatlaguy
(10,887 posts)This would make news because it would be a first.
Yes, VPs are usually announced about a week or two before a convention.
However, there's no reason they have to be done that way.
LS_Editor
(893 posts)One line of poor, unsubstantiated reasoning after another.
FarPoint
(12,447 posts)So, it's premature to speculate until the Convention.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)But if one was behind, wanted to shake things up and had someone in mind who complimented them well and was willing, why not?
Bunch of ifs there but it wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea.
Obviously doubtful that it will happen but probably not completely crazy in some circumstances.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)He gets enough voters in various states to get more electoral votes for him than Hillary gets.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)I think the Democratic party has drank the Koolaid already. It would take an act of obvious gross malfeasance on par with a violent felony or kicking a puppy to change the trajectory of this race.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)the one who told us, we know more about Hillary from others as her transparency is non existent, no one I can Trust .
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Hillary will fold to $$$$$ quicker than Shrub, and if people don't look at her past and connect our misery to in part Her actions, we're screwed .
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Historic NY
(37,453 posts)yet its a primary not the general election they don't have running mates. Of course since it such a pipe dream and most Sanders people are not supporting the DNC its going to be a cold day in hell that he even gets that far without the funding and support his supporter don't want to pay for.
mythology
(9,527 posts)She is very similar to him on the issues, is a northeast liberal (I'm not saying this as a bad thing, but it doesn't play well everywhere) and I don't think does enough to overcome Clinton's advantage with women, or with minorities.
I would suggest if Sanders was trying this route, he aim for a minority from a more urban state.
That said, I'm not sure what would be in it for the potential vp name to hitch his or her wagon to a long shot campaign.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I guess I'll give up hope 'cuz the guy who joined yesterday says it ain't gonna happen.
Time to bern my yard signs.
moobu2
(4,822 posts)he needs to concede and endorse Hillary like he's going to do anyway eventually.
merrily
(45,251 posts)President. Inasmuch as she did not run for President, I can't see her making the sacrifices just to run for Vice President.
I can always be wrong, of course. I'm not a mind reader.
Bryan
(1,837 posts)The Venn diagram of Sanders fans and Warren fans is an eclipse; I'm not sure what killer advantage she would provide. I think Sanders' best chance at the nomination is a massive wave of independents registering D for the primaries that somehow isn't showing up in polls.
Gothmog
(145,619 posts)That is a new low http://www.predictwise.com/politics/2016DemNomination
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)The only Democrat she can't beat is Barack Obama.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Signed,
The rest of the United States
Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)Would prefer more west coast oriented liberals taking the national stage these days.
Would also prefer MA senators not getting plucked as often as they have been the last few years. After a couple of decades of Kennedy/Kerry, the recent constant changes have been frustrating.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)now derives mostly from superior name recognition alone.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)She would be 70 after Bernie's first term. Just saying
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)But in the rest of the world she gets mowed over by the other candidates. Why is that?
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Had she wanted too, she would be the candidate now.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)you are new, so maybe you haven't seen the thousand or so threads that start with "i like bernie, but there is no way he can win because....."
not a single vote yet. if people vote for him, he wins. it of course behooves the clinton campaign to try and convince everyone its over. nonsense.
the one who is being hurt the most is OM because of dws partisan and blatant undermining of democracy to squash debate.
as to warren, she is needed in the senate. and she will not draw anyone else to bernie who isn't already there.
he needs an up and comer, young, from another part of the country.
MADem
(135,425 posts)to address the issues she cares about? I didn't see reports that she signed any "Run, Bernie, Run" letter, either.
So there's that.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Trashcanning your OP.
Reter
(2,188 posts)If Obama came out today and said he supports Bernie, then that would be the biggest boost he could get. Another way is if she gets indited.