"Leaked Sanders memo attacks O'Malley on immigration."

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Martin O’Malley is mired at the bottom of the polls and struggling to raise money for his presidential bid, but Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders' campaign is circulating an internal document to its staff and supporters tearing down the former Maryland governor’s immigration plan.
“While Governor O’Malley’s immigration platform is more detailed and progressive [than] Clinton, there are many immigration policy areas that it does not address,” reads the document, which goes on to outline how Sanders is more substantive on immigration policy than O’Malley on about a dozen issues including “enforcement, detention and humanitarian relief.”
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Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-memo-omalley-immigration-216218#ixzz3sokzYPdo

[Live and Learn]

1. That is an attack? I think it shows how well they could work together.

And by the way, shows how inadequate Hillary's plan is.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. Lis Smith says hi!

That is an attack? I think it shows how well they could work together. And by the way, shows how inadequate Hillary's plan is.

When asked for comment, O'Malley spokeswoman Lis Smith ripped Sanders, attacking his campaign's motives for assembling the document.
"They only feel the need to whitewash Sanders' nativist and offensive immigration statements by comparing their immigration 'plan' to Martin O'Malley's? It will take a lot more than a bad copy and paste job for them to catch up with someone who has actually been a leader on this issues," she said.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-memo-omalley-immigration-216218#ixzz3somdXB9x

[Live and Learn]

8. Ms. Smith needs to actually read Bernie's plan.

It doesn't appear she has.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. We are moving the goal posts here.

Ms. Smith said the Vermont senator is intentionally distorting Governor O"Malley's record to hide his own bad record, ergo:

When asked for comment, O'Malley spokeswoman Lis Smith ripped Sanders, attacking his campaign's motives for assembling the document. They only feel the need to whiteWhenwash Sanders' nativist and offensive immigration statements by comparing their immigration 'plan' to Martin O'Malley's? It will take a lot more than a bad copy and paste job for them to catch up with someone who has actually been a leader on this issues," she said.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-memo-omalley-immigration-216218#ixzz3somdXB9x

[Live and Learn]

15. She may be moving goal posts but Sander's was talking about plans. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. She said Bernie distorted Martin's plan to hide his poor record on the issue.

Bernie and Martin really need to resolve this dispute for the betterment of our party.

[MrMickeysMom]

62. Bernie and Martin don't seem to be the ones having a dispute here...

... Apparently, it's your imagination and Lis Smith.

Say hello to her and wish her well. You too, DSB!

[BlueCaliDem]

7. Well, "inadequate" is better than failure.

Sanders failed the Hispanic/Latino community in 2006. He failed them when he voted with Republicans against the 2006 Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act that had a better chance of passing Congress and making it to George W. Bush's desk for signing than the 2013 Immigration Reform Act (that he voted for) when we already had racist-Teapublicans in the House and a filibuster-happy Republican minority in the Senate. This made it impossible for any immigration reform bill to pass to President Obama's desk.

The reason for Sanders' NAY vote in 2006? The guest worker language in the bill that Unions were opposed to. The hypocrisy of his YEA vote for the 2013 immigration reform bill? The very same guest worker language is contained therein.

One of the major reasons Duhbya got about 44% of the Latino vote was because of his pro-immigration reform position that offered a pathway to citizenship. He called on Congress to pass the 2006 immigration reform bill so he could sign it into law.

Bernie Sanders voted against it, and failed to support them back then. So don't be so surprised that they don't want to support him now.

[Live and Learn]

9. Those were actually very good reasons for voting against the bill.

It had nothing to do with his support of Latinos which is excellent.

[BlueCaliDem]

24. Yeah...you keep telling yourself that.

I've read up on his reasons for being against the 2006 immigration bill.

I'll copy and paste the answer here since you missed it:

The reason for Sanders' NAY vote in 2007? The guest worker language in the bill that Unions were opposed to. The hypocrisy of his YEA vote for the 2013 immigration reform bill? The very same guest worker language is contained therein.

In 2007, Sanders opposed an immigration bill which included an early version of the DREAM Act. Here is a video of Sanders talking to Lou Dobbs (yes, that Lou Dobbs) about his opposition to the bill.

"I don't know why we need these millions of people coming into this country as guest workers who will work for lower wages..."

He also goes on to decry the hiring of guest lifeguards (?) and guest elementary school teachers.

Back then, the Vermont independent warned that the immigration bill — a product from then-Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) — would drive down wages for lower-income workers, an argument that’s been used by hard-liner reform opponents. He paired with conservative Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) on a restrictive immigration amendment. And Sanders backed provisions characterized as poison pills to unravel the bill, while voting to block the final measure in June 2007.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/bernie-sanders-and-immigration-its-complicated-119190#ixzz3sorTgCxb

I'd be careful calling his support of Latinos "excellent" if I were you.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. For the record could you please state how Hillary Clinton voted on the 2007 bill?

Thank you in advance.

[BlueCaliDem]

32. Hillary Clinton voted YEA on the 2007 Immigration Reform Bill.

Immigration

Seven of the dissenting votes came when the Senate considered an immigration reform bill in 2007, and most of them were cloture votes to advance debate of the proposal. Mr. Sanders voted no on six such votes in an attempt to block the bill from being voted on by the Senate, mainly because of concerns about fraud in guest-worker programs. Mrs. Clinton supported advancing the bill, which would have offered legal status to millions of undocumented immigrants and improved border security. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/upshot/the-senate-votes-that-divided-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders.html

You can see a breakdown of the vote here: http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/28/immigration.vote.rollcall/

By name

• Sen. Daniel Akaka, D-Hawaii: Yes
• Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tennessee: No
• Sen. Wayne Allard, R-Colorado: No
• Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyoming: No
• Sen. Max Baucus, D-Montana: No
• Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Indiana: No
• Sen. Robert Bennett, R-Utah: Yes
• Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Delaware: Yes
• Sen. Jeff Bingaman, D-New Mexico: No
• Sen. Christopher Bond, R-Missouri: No
• Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-California: Yes
• Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio: No
• Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kansas: No
• Sen. Jim Bunning, R-Kentucky: No
• Sen. Richard Burr, R-North Carolina: No
• Sen. Robert Byrd, D-West Virginia: No
• Sen. Maria Cantwell, D-Washington: Yes
• Sen. Ben Cardin, D-Maryland: Yes
• Sen. Thomas Carper, D-Delaware: Yes
• Sen. Robert Casey, D-Pennsylvania: Yes
• Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Georgia: No
• Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-New York: Yes
• Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Oklahoma: No
• Sen. Thad Cochran, R-Mississippi: No
• Sen. Norm Coleman, R-Minnesota: No
• Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine: No
• Sen. Kent Conrad, D-North Dakota: Yes
• Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tennessee: No
• Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas: No
• Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho: Yes
• Sen. Mike Crapo, R-Idaho: No
• Sen. Jim DeMint, R-South Carolina: No
• Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Connecticut: Yes
• Sen. Elizabeth Dole, R-North Carolina: No
• Sen. Pete Domenici, R-New Mexico: No
• Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-North Dakota: No
• Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Illinois: Yes
• Sen. John Ensign, R-Nevada: No
• Sen. Michael Enzi, R-Wyoming: No
• Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wisconsin: Yes
• Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-California: Yes
• Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina: Yes
• Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa: No
• Sen. Judd Gregg, R-New Hampshire: Yes
• Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Nebraska: Yes
• Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa: No
• Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah: No
• Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas: No
• Sen. James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma: No
• Sen. Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii: Yes
• Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Georgia: No
• Sen. Tim Johnson, D-South Dakota: Not Voting, Recuperating from stroke)
• Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Massachusetts: Yes
• Sen. John Kerry, D-Massachusetts: Yes
• Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minnesota: Yes
• Sen. Herb Kohl, D-Wisconsin: Yes
• Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Arizona: Yes
• Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-Louisiana: No
• Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-New Jersey: Yes
• Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont: Yes
• Sen. Carl Levin, D-Michigan: Yes
• Sen. Joseph Lieberman, I-Connecticut: Yes
• Sen. Blanche Lincoln, D-Arizona: Yes
• Sen. Trent Lott, R-Mississippi: Yes
• Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Indiana: Yes
• Sen. Mel Martinez, R-Florida: Yes
• Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona: Yes
• Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Missouri: No
• Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky: No
• Sen. Robert Menendez, D-New Jersey: Yes
• Sen. Barbara Mikulski, D-Maryland: Yes
• Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska: No
• Sen. Patty Murray, D-Washington: Yes
• Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Nebraska: No
• Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Florida: Yes
• Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois: Yes
• Sen. Mark Pryor, D-Arkansas: No
• Sen. Jack Reed, D-Rhode Island: Yes
• Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nevada: Yes
• Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kansas: No
• Sen. John Rockefeller, D-West Virginia: No
• Sen. Ken Salazar, D-Colorado: Yes
• Sen. Bernard Sanders, I-Vermont: No
• Sen. Charles Schumer, D-New York: Yes
• Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Alabama: No
• Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Alabama: No
• Sen. Gordon Smith, R-Oregon: No
• Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine: Yes
• Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pennsylvania: Yes
• Sen. Debbie Stabenow, D-Michigan: No
• Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska: No
• Sen. John Sununu, R-New Hampshire: No
• Sen. Jon Tester, D-Montana: No
• Sen. John Thune, R-South Dakota: No
• Sen. David Vitter, R-Louisiana: No
• Sen. George Voinovich, R-Ohio: No
• Sen. John Warner, R-Virginia: No
• Sen. James Webb, D-Virginia: No
• Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-Rhode Island: Yes
• Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Oregon: Yes

[peacebird]

52. Both of my dem senators also voted no

[BlueCaliDem]

56. Both of my Dem Senators voted yes (Senators Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein).

Vermont Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy voted YES while Vermont Independent Socialist Sanders voted NO.

Senator Barack Obama voted YES.
Senator Hillary Clinton voted YES.

To note: Republican Senators voting YES: Lindsey Graham, Judd Gregg, Chuck Hagel, John McCain, Trent Lott (?!), Richard Lugar, and Mel Martinez.

Who are your Senators?

[peacebird]

57. Warner and Webb

[BlueCaliDem]

58. Not really surprising there.

Both are very moderate Democrats from a conservative State.

The surprising YES votes are from Lindsay Graham and Trent Lott!

I understand Mel Martinez' vote, even John McCain's YES vote (Florida and border-State Arizona), but I don't understand Bernie Sanders' NO vote while his fellow Vermonter, Democrat Patrick Leahy, voted YES.

[Live and Learn]

28. He was right, as usual. nt

[artislife]

18. I love how you are fighting for my people

Working with a politician who said she would send children back. Like to Honduras where she helped create the very environment they are fleeing.

Really, we don't need allies like this.

[BlueCaliDem]

31. I'm surprised why you aren't

by supporting a politician who used Republican language to vote against the immigration reform bill that would have helped 11-14 million Latinos/Americans come out of the shadows and open a pathway to citizenship for them and their families.

Hillary Clinton voted YEA. Sanders voted NAY.

Really, Latinos - and all other undocumented immigrants, including Asian immigrants, don't need allies like that, either.

[artislife]

33. It is the whole package...dear. nt

[lunamagica]

35. Please don't act like a spokeperson for Latinos. I'm sure you are aware

of the overwhelming support of Latinos for Hillary.

I'll personally agree with BlueCaliDem, take that ally. and will take Hillary over Sanders any day. So, she talked about sending children back. But she voted for immigration reform, which would have avoided the problem altogether. Sanders helped create the situation by voting against it.

And don't get me started on his YES amendment in favor of the racist Minutemen Project, please. I'll take Hillary's "talk' any day over the very harmful votes that have harmed my people so much!

[BlueCaliDem]

2. I don't see what the Sanders Campaign would waste their time doing this.

What political benefit can they get out of this??

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. Just meanness?/nt

[BlueCaliDem]

11. That's what it looks like to me. Candidates should resist the temptation of "punching down".

That makes them look petty and mean.

[NurseJackie]

19. Or desperation?

A poll-point is a poll-point. Good as any other, no matter what the source. At times like this, he can't afford to be particular (if you know what I mean.)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Could be internal polling benefit of the pollster he hired.

EOM

[NurseJackie]

34. Internal polling? WTF? Really?? (I'd heard that such weathervane tactics were beneath him.)

Go figure. I guess he must have taken a look at his lackluster polling and dismal endorsements and decided to reconsider.

[Scootaloo]

51. "Candidates should resist the temptation of "punching down"."

*cough*

[BlueCaliDem]

55. *cough*

[BlueCheese]

5. The O'Malley campaign's response is interesting.

When asked for comment, O'Malley spokeswoman Lis Smith ripped Sanders, attacking his campaign's motives for assembling the document.
"They only feel the need to whitewash Sanders' nativist and offensive immigration statements by comparing their immigration 'plan' to Martin O'Malley's? It will take a lot more than a bad copy and paste job for them to catch up with someone who has actually been a leader on this issues," she said.

What does she mean by Sanders' "nativist and offensive immigration statements"?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. I don't know.

Without Ms. Smith's statement you could dismiss the article as a political hit piece by Politico. Given her response there are issues that need to be aired out.

I will defend Martin O' Malley...

[Live and Learn]

10. Or attack Sanders? Which are you really attempting to do? nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. I am the only here citing the article and remaining true to its spirit.

Everybody else is putting their own spin on it.

[Live and Learn]

16. ROFL Everybody else but me! Too funny. nt

[artislife]

20. Your motives are apparent.

Why don't you tell us about your candidate, who just recently learned that Latinos and others really feel offended by the term illegal immigrant.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. I cited the article verbatim.

I am not responsible for the inferences of others...


As to where all three candidates stand on immigration I am content to let the voters hash it out. That's how we roll in America.

[artislife]

23. And yet, you ignore what I wrote.

You post polls and articles and you don't want to hash it out yourself. Funny, how you now seem to be a mere observer.



I see how some roll in America.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. I cited the reasons why I support my candidate.

I am content to let everybody else choose his or her candidate and cite the reasons why. Heck, they don't even have to provide a reason. That's how we roll in America.

[artislife]

27. Roll eyes

whatever.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. I say this without snark.*

have a great holiday season






*I have to add that disclaimer because in some instances I don't mean it but in this instance I do.

[JaneyVee]

29. Jorge Ramos of univision told Bernie "you sound like Trump!".

[Kentonio]

47. No he didn't, please don't repeat easily disprovable right wing lies.

What he said was..

"You were recently asked about open borders. And you said it was a right-wing idea, that it would make everybody poor in America. But one article said that you sounded like Donald Trump."

http://uvideos.com/shows/al-punto/bernie-sanders-tells-jorge-ramos-he-absolutely-can-beat-hillary-clinton-articulo

[Live and Learn]

12. I must say they look really good up there together. nt

[Recursion]

50. You know... that would be a ticket

Though if O'Malley doesn't get the nom I'd rather see him at HUD or HHS or VA than VP.

[beam me up scottie]

36. Oh please. Did you speak up when Martin said this about Bernie?:

"I don’t believe that in order to fix what's wrong with our economy and make it work again for all of us that we should scrap capitalism, and replace it with socialism.

That's a failed ideology from our past."

He deliberately misrepresented Bernie's democratic socialist policies but I didn't see you start an op complaining about his attack.

[Samantha]

37. Translation: someone is trying to start a p*ssing contest between the Sanders' and O'Malley camps

Not going to work.

No link, just gut.

Sam

[NurseJackie]

38. Someone-who? The OP, or the Politico writer?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. O'Malley spokeswoman Lis Smith ???

When asked for comment, O'Malley spokeswoman Lis Smith ripped Sanders, attacking his campaign's motives for assembling the document.
"They only feel the need to whitewash Sanders' nativist and offensive immigration statements by comparing their immigration 'plan' to Martin O'Malley's? It will take a lot more than a bad copy and paste job for them to catch up with someone who has actually been a leader on this issues," she said.

[NurseJackie]

41. TYVM (nt)

[Samantha]

43. I have no inside information -- just think about this for a moment

I think you can rule out the Politico author by assuming that was just the recipient of the leak chosen to report this "story." I think the author of this thread was just reporting what Politico was reporting. So who benefits if a "p*ssing" match starts up between the O'Malley camp and the Sanders' camp? And if you think you might have a suspect, ask yourself does your suspect have a person associated with his or her campaign known for dirty tricks.

Sam

[NurseJackie]

54. I lack enough information to form an opinion one way or the other. I'm not inclined to ...

... pursue conspiracies or to make other presumptions. I can see how those questions and possibilities would be tantalizing to someone, but I'll leave the uncovering of facts to reporters, law enforcement agencies, whistle-blowers and private investigators.

[Recursion]

46. I can't imagine whom that would benefit

[Samantha]

63. It will not serve the desired purpose because neither camp will take the bait

Sanders doesn't indulge in the soap opera, and O'Malley is smart enough to figure out from whence it came.

Sam

[workinclasszero]

39. Well Bernie is not winning Hillary voters to his side

So maybe he's trying to strip them away from O'Malley who is at his highest polling ever right now, I believe.

[Recursion]

45. What, all five of us?

But, yeah: O'Malley is getting close to double digits now, and it's still early. And Sanders really needs this to never become a three-person race.

[Kentonio]

48. That would depend on where the rise in O'Malleys support was coming from.

[Recursion]

49. My take is that it was from Biden holdouts

O'Malley was at around 1% until Biden definitively dropped out, and then he got up to about 7-8% where he is now. I have to assume that's a lot of the contingent that were polling for Biden previously.

[workinclasszero]

53. LOL

Hey Hillary fans are a small minority on the Bernie Underground too!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. I stand with MOM

EOM

[Gothmog]

60. So Sanders is engaging in negative campaigning

That is amusing

[DemocratSinceBirth]

61. I report. You decide.