2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum"Leaked Sanders memo attacks O'Malley on immigration."
Martin OMalley is mired at the bottom of the polls and struggling to raise money for his presidential bid, but Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders' campaign is circulating an internal document to its staff and supporters tearing down the former Maryland governors immigration plan.
While Governor OMalleys immigration platform is more detailed and progressive [than] Clinton, there are many immigration policy areas that it does not address, reads the document, which goes on to outline how Sanders is more substantive on immigration policy than OMalley on about a dozen issues including enforcement, detention and humanitarian relief.
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Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-memo-omalley-immigration-216218#ixzz3sokzYPdo
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)And by the way, shows how inadequate Hillary's plan is.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)"They only feel the need to whitewash Sanders' nativist and offensive immigration statements by comparing their immigration 'plan' to Martin O'Malley's? It will take a lot more than a bad copy and paste job for them to catch up with someone who has actually been a leader on this issues," she said.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-memo-omalley-immigration-216218#ixzz3somdXB9x
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)It doesn't appear she has.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Ms. Smith said the Vermont senator is intentionally distorting Governor O"Malley's record to hide his own bad record, ergo:
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-memo-omalley-immigration-216218#ixzz3somdXB9x
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Bernie and Martin really need to resolve this dispute for the betterment of our party.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)... Apparently, it's your imagination and Lis Smith.
Say hello to her and wish her well. You too, DSB!
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Sanders failed the Hispanic/Latino community in 2006. He failed them when he voted with Republicans against the 2006 Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act that had a better chance of passing Congress and making it to George W. Bush's desk for signing than the 2013 Immigration Reform Act (that he voted for) when we already had racist-Teapublicans in the House and a filibuster-happy Republican minority in the Senate. This made it impossible for any immigration reform bill to pass to President Obama's desk.
The reason for Sanders' NAY vote in 2006? The guest worker language in the bill that Unions were opposed to. The hypocrisy of his YEA vote for the 2013 immigration reform bill? The very same guest worker language is contained therein.
One of the major reasons Duhbya got about 44% of the Latino vote was because of his pro-immigration reform position that offered a pathway to citizenship. He called on Congress to pass the 2006 immigration reform bill so he could sign it into law.
Bernie Sanders voted against it, and failed to support them back then. So don't be so surprised that they don't want to support him now.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)It had nothing to do with his support of Latinos which is excellent.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)I've read up on his reasons for being against the 2006 immigration bill.
I'll copy and paste the answer here since you missed it:
In 2007, Sanders opposed an immigration bill which included an early version of the DREAM Act. Here is a video of Sanders talking to Lou Dobbs (yes, that Lou Dobbs) about his opposition to the bill.
"I don't know why we need these millions of people coming into this country as guest workers who will work for lower wages..."
He also goes on to decry the hiring of guest lifeguards (?) and guest elementary school teachers.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/bernie-sanders-and-immigration-its-complicated-119190#ixzz3sorTgCxb
I'd be careful calling his support of Latinos "excellent" if I were you.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Thank you in advance.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Seven of the dissenting votes came when the Senate considered an immigration reform bill in 2007, and most of them were cloture votes to advance debate of the proposal. Mr. Sanders voted no on six such votes in an attempt to block the bill from being voted on by the Senate, mainly because of concerns about fraud in guest-worker programs. Mrs. Clinton supported advancing the bill, which would have offered legal status to millions of undocumented immigrants and improved border security. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/upshot/the-senate-votes-that-divided-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders.html
You can see a breakdown of the vote here: http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/28/immigration.vote.rollcall/
By name
Sen. Daniel Akaka, D-Hawaii: Yes
Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tennessee: No
Sen. Wayne Allard, R-Colorado: No
Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyoming: No
Sen. Max Baucus, D-Montana: No
Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Indiana: No
Sen. Robert Bennett, R-Utah: Yes
Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Delaware: Yes
Sen. Jeff Bingaman, D-New Mexico: No
Sen. Christopher Bond, R-Missouri: No
Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-California: Yes
Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio: No
Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kansas: No
Sen. Jim Bunning, R-Kentucky: No
Sen. Richard Burr, R-North Carolina: No
Sen. Robert Byrd, D-West Virginia: No
Sen. Maria Cantwell, D-Washington: Yes
Sen. Ben Cardin, D-Maryland: Yes
Sen. Thomas Carper, D-Delaware: Yes
Sen. Robert Casey, D-Pennsylvania: Yes
Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Georgia: No
Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-New York: Yes
Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Oklahoma: No
Sen. Thad Cochran, R-Mississippi: No
Sen. Norm Coleman, R-Minnesota: No
Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine: No
Sen. Kent Conrad, D-North Dakota: Yes
Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tennessee: No
Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas: No
Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho: Yes
Sen. Mike Crapo, R-Idaho: No
Sen. Jim DeMint, R-South Carolina: No
Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Connecticut: Yes
Sen. Elizabeth Dole, R-North Carolina: No
Sen. Pete Domenici, R-New Mexico: No
Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-North Dakota: No
Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Illinois: Yes
Sen. John Ensign, R-Nevada: No
Sen. Michael Enzi, R-Wyoming: No
Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wisconsin: Yes
Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-California: Yes
Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina: Yes
Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa: No
Sen. Judd Gregg, R-New Hampshire: Yes
Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Nebraska: Yes
Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa: No
Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah: No
Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas: No
Sen. James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma: No
Sen. Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii: Yes
Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Georgia: No
Sen. Tim Johnson, D-South Dakota: Not Voting, Recuperating from stroke)
Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Massachusetts: Yes
Sen. John Kerry, D-Massachusetts: Yes
Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minnesota: Yes
Sen. Herb Kohl, D-Wisconsin: Yes
Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Arizona: Yes
Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-Louisiana: No
Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-New Jersey: Yes
Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont: Yes
Sen. Carl Levin, D-Michigan: Yes
Sen. Joseph Lieberman, I-Connecticut: Yes
Sen. Blanche Lincoln, D-Arizona: Yes
Sen. Trent Lott, R-Mississippi: Yes
Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Indiana: Yes
Sen. Mel Martinez, R-Florida: Yes
Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona: Yes
Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Missouri: No
Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky: No
Sen. Robert Menendez, D-New Jersey: Yes
Sen. Barbara Mikulski, D-Maryland: Yes
Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska: No
Sen. Patty Murray, D-Washington: Yes
Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Nebraska: No
Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Florida: Yes
Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois: Yes
Sen. Mark Pryor, D-Arkansas: No
Sen. Jack Reed, D-Rhode Island: Yes
Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nevada: Yes
Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kansas: No
Sen. John Rockefeller, D-West Virginia: No
Sen. Ken Salazar, D-Colorado: Yes
Sen. Bernard Sanders, I-Vermont: No
Sen. Charles Schumer, D-New York: Yes
Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Alabama: No
Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Alabama: No
Sen. Gordon Smith, R-Oregon: No
Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine: Yes
Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pennsylvania: Yes
Sen. Debbie Stabenow, D-Michigan: No
Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska: No
Sen. John Sununu, R-New Hampshire: No
Sen. Jon Tester, D-Montana: No
Sen. John Thune, R-South Dakota: No
Sen. David Vitter, R-Louisiana: No
Sen. George Voinovich, R-Ohio: No
Sen. John Warner, R-Virginia: No
Sen. James Webb, D-Virginia: No
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-Rhode Island: Yes
Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Oregon: Yes
peacebird
(14,195 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Vermont Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy voted YES while Vermont Independent Socialist Sanders voted NO.
Senator Barack Obama voted YES.
Senator Hillary Clinton voted YES.
To note: Republican Senators voting YES: Lindsey Graham, Judd Gregg, Chuck Hagel, John McCain, Trent Lott (?!), Richard Lugar, and Mel Martinez.
Who are your Senators?
peacebird
(14,195 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Both are very moderate Democrats from a conservative State.
The surprising YES votes are from Lindsay Graham and Trent Lott!
I understand Mel Martinez' vote, even John McCain's YES vote (Florida and border-State Arizona), but I don't understand Bernie Sanders' NO vote while his fellow Vermonter, Democrat Patrick Leahy, voted YES.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)Working with a politician who said she would send children back. Like to Honduras where she helped create the very environment they are fleeing.
Really, we don't need allies like this.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)by supporting a politician who used Republican language to vote against the immigration reform bill that would have helped 11-14 million Latinos/Americans come out of the shadows and open a pathway to citizenship for them and their families.
Hillary Clinton voted YEA. Sanders voted NAY.
Really, Latinos - and all other undocumented immigrants, including Asian immigrants, don't need allies like that, either.
artislife
(9,497 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)of the overwhelming support of Latinos for Hillary.
I'll personally agree with BlueCaliDem, take that ally. and will take Hillary over Sanders any day. So, she talked about sending children back. But she voted for immigration reform, which would have avoided the problem altogether. Sanders helped create the situation by voting against it.
And don't get me started on his YES amendment in favor of the racist Minutemen Project, please. I'll take Hillary's "talk' any day over the very harmful votes that have harmed my people so much!
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)What political benefit can they get out of this??
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)That makes them look petty and mean.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)A poll-point is a poll-point. Good as any other, no matter what the source. At times like this, he can't afford to be particular (if you know what I mean.)
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)EOM
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Go figure. I guess he must have taken a look at his lackluster polling and dismal endorsements and decided to reconsider.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)*cough*
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)"They only feel the need to whitewash Sanders' nativist and offensive immigration statements by comparing their immigration 'plan' to Martin O'Malley's? It will take a lot more than a bad copy and paste job for them to catch up with someone who has actually been a leader on this issues," she said.
What does she mean by Sanders' "nativist and offensive immigration statements"?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Without Ms. Smith's statement you could dismiss the article as a political hit piece by Politico. Given her response there are issues that need to be aired out.
I will defend Martin O' Malley...
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Everybody else is putting their own spin on it.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)Why don't you tell us about your candidate, who just recently learned that Latinos and others really feel offended by the term illegal immigrant.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I am not responsible for the inferences of others...
As to where all three candidates stand on immigration I am content to let the voters hash it out. That's how we roll in America.
artislife
(9,497 posts)You post polls and articles and you don't want to hash it out yourself. Funny, how you now seem to be a mere observer.
I see how some roll in America.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I am content to let everybody else choose his or her candidate and cite the reasons why. Heck, they don't even have to provide a reason. That's how we roll in America.
artislife
(9,497 posts)whatever.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)have a great holiday season
*I have to add that disclaimer because in some instances I don't mean it but in this instance I do.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)What he said was..
"You were recently asked about open borders. And you said it was a right-wing idea, that it would make everybody poor in America. But one article said that you sounded like Donald Trump."
http://uvideos.com/shows/al-punto/bernie-sanders-tells-jorge-ramos-he-absolutely-can-beat-hillary-clinton-articulo
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Though if O'Malley doesn't get the nom I'd rather see him at HUD or HHS or VA than VP.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)That's a failed ideology from our past."
He deliberately misrepresented Bernie's democratic socialist policies but I didn't see you start an op complaining about his attack.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)Not going to work.
No link, just gut.
Sam
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)"They only feel the need to whitewash Sanders' nativist and offensive immigration statements by comparing their immigration 'plan' to Martin O'Malley's? It will take a lot more than a bad copy and paste job for them to catch up with someone who has actually been a leader on this issues," she said.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Samantha
(9,314 posts)I think you can rule out the Politico author by assuming that was just the recipient of the leak chosen to report this "story." I think the author of this thread was just reporting what Politico was reporting. So who benefits if a "p*ssing" match starts up between the O'Malley camp and the Sanders' camp? And if you think you might have a suspect, ask yourself does your suspect have a person associated with his or her campaign known for dirty tricks.
Sam
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... pursue conspiracies or to make other presumptions. I can see how those questions and possibilities would be tantalizing to someone, but I'll leave the uncovering of facts to reporters, law enforcement agencies, whistle-blowers and private investigators.
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Recursion
(56,582 posts)Samantha
(9,314 posts)Sanders doesn't indulge in the soap opera, and O'Malley is smart enough to figure out from whence it came.
Sam
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)So maybe he's trying to strip them away from O'Malley who is at his highest polling ever right now, I believe.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)But, yeah: O'Malley is getting close to double digits now, and it's still early. And Sanders really needs this to never become a three-person race.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)O'Malley was at around 1% until Biden definitively dropped out, and then he got up to about 7-8% where he is now. I have to assume that's a lot of the contingent that were polling for Biden previously.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Hey Hillary fans are a small minority on the Bernie Underground too!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)EOM
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Gothmog
(145,359 posts)That is amusing