Be Very Careful Hillary Supporters

[berni_mccoy]

When you start to raise health and age issues about a candidate, you are really showing the most disgusting side of politics and something that should not be tolerated here. Agism is discrimination and it is illegal for employers to commit it. By saying Sanders is too old you make implications that he cannot do something because of his age. That is a disgusting generalization.

And it's obvious when Hillary supporters raise this because when strong objection smacks them in the face, they hide behind health issues. Well, let's be clear. Medical is also not a valid, nor legal, discrimination. Sanders is quite physically and mentally capable of moving from being a U.S. Senator to being the President. I don't even think RWers would question this, and yet, here we are having to explain why this tac is so very unacceptable here.

Is this really the Hillary campaign floating a balloon? If so, they better take caution, for if they go down this road, there will a backlash cometh.

[Cali_Democrat]

1. Legitimate questions were raised about McCain in 2008

And now we know Ronald Reagan was unfit later on in his Presidency.

Health is a legitimate topic of discussion IMO.

That's why all candidates should release their medical records. Hillary has already done so and Bernie should do the same.

[roguevalley]

14. he's only 6 years older than her. She's no spring chicken either. That is a dog left

alone if they have a clue

As an old lady, I think I can speak to this issue and frankly, I am sick of AGEISM! McCain had genuine health issues. Unless someone can point to one here, then let it go.

[Cali_Democrat]

18. Correct, but Hillary has released her medical records

Bernie has not.

[roguevalley]

28. bwahahahaaha. we're now reduced to hearing about her medical records. how about why i should vote

FOR her instead?

[George II]

73. Ask your fellow Sanders supporter why he/she raised the issue.

[Pharaoh]

36. really they do that now?

release your medical records?

Financial I understand releasing your records, but that would be ridiculous if it was required.

[hedda_foil]

63. Yeah. They've been doing it for years. Ever since McGovern nominated Eagelton for VP.

Turned out that Eagleton had spent several weeks in a mental hospital for depression ... a major taboo back then ... and hadn't disclosed it to McGovern. He was forced to quit the ticket. It was played as an example of bad decision making by McGovern.

[AgingAmerican]

58. Is this like Republicans demanding Obama release his college transcripts?

[merrily]

80. Funny, I don't remember any obsession with Obama's health in 2008 and the two you cited were older

when they ran. Also, Reagan's "unfitness" was Alzheimer's, which tends to strike older people and which medical records from a routine physical tend not to show anyway.

Smells more like ageism than health--and both Hillary and Bernie are up there in years, only 6 years apart.

[WillyT]

2. Plus... The Are Two Sides To That Particular Sword...

Just sayin.

[jwirr]

3. +1

[azmom]

7. Yep. She's no spring chicken.

[merrily]

12. She's only six years younger than Sanders

[arcane1]

4. I appear to have missed those posts, fortunately.

Maybe the ignore button really is my friend!

[JoePhilly]

5. Let's spend some more time talking emails.

[berni_mccoy]

6. Because you can't defend it, you change the topic to a deflection.

[Agschmid]

8. DU is a deflection.

[JoePhilly]

10. There was nothing to defend.

What I see is that the Wheel of Outrage is spinning off its axis for some DU's Bernie supporters.

[roguevalley]

15. then let's talk about Hillary being an elder lady. How about that?

[JoePhilly]

16. Sure ... you go first.

[roguevalley]

30. as an elder lady myself, I think I can imagine a few things that might elude you. just saying.

[Fawke Em]

74. I'd rather talk about her unsecure server.

That is a real issue and the FBI is investigating that one, not some monkey-appointed Congressional committee.

[seabeyond]

9. Clinton is 5 yrs younger. At that age that 5 yrs makes a difference, and there isn't much difference

The ages are what they are and I do not feel that is a pressing difference in the candidates. But, I do like a posters point about.... "Be very careful Sanders supporters, Rw talking points show the most disgusting side of politics."

[Beacool]

61. Actually, she's 6 years younger.

She was born in 1947 and Sanders was born in 1941.

[Indepatriot]

11. Have them both do a simple physical stress test and see who scores higher.

Sanders runs several times a week for his health, while Hillary only runs to Wall Street and the bank...

[JaneyVee]

19. Hillary does yoga and works out as well.

[kenfrequed]

40. Bernie runs

Literally.

He actually goes running.

Null points that round.

[840high]

54. She is overweight. Needs

better exercises.

[Betty Karlson]

64. LOL! That was mean!

(But quite funny)

[Renew Deal]

67. Have we turned completely into a reality show?

[UglyGreed]

13. When integrity is

lacking one must resort to smears..... Just Sayin"

[seabeyond]

17. Or simply resulting in insults and personal attacks.

[UglyGreed]

22. Yes Bernie and his supporters

have been attacked by both the left and the right!!! Thanks for the reply.

[seabeyond]

23. 13. When integrity is lacking

[UglyGreed]

24. Yup

that is why I support Bernie!!!

[JaneyVee]

20. The hell are you talking about?

The guy is having surgery, should concern not be had?

[AlbertCat]

25. Don't worry.

Ben Carson isn't operating on him

[Luminous Animal]

42. It is ELECTIVE hernia surgery. Which means it a a hernia that is not critical.

My husband, in his 30s had critical hernia surgery on his left side. His recovery was painful and took about 2 weeks before he felt comfortable for work.

Shortly afterwards, he got a new doctor and when the doctor noticed his surgery, he decided to explore the right side which proved to be weak and would likely result in similar surgery down the road. Recommendation? Do a simple outpatient cut and stitch to strengthen the abdominal muscles. He was back to work in two days.

Two decades later? No problem.

Lots of people have outpatient ELECTIVE surgery that is no big deal.

Hell. My own mastectomy was no big deal. In by 1 out by 6. Back to work in 3 days.

[NCTraveler]

21. I don't think it's a bad conversation at all.

But like many of the conversations, the primaries take this off the plate. If one makes it through the primary process healthy and victorious, they are best suited to move on. Goes for all three of our candidates.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

26. I can't wait for the Hillary campaign to mention his religion.

[Luminous Animal]

44. Been done by a DUer. He's a "non-practicing Jew" who might be an "atheist."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=855848

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=856907

[Hepburn]

70. What a shock...not! n/t

[Android3.14]

27. As a Bernie supporter, I disagree

Their comparative health is pretty much equal.
I think they are both too old, and their health represents a risk of throwing American politics and policy into turmoil. yet they are the front runners and have the best chances at this point. O'Malley looks like a kid compared to them, so I guess we are wanting some sort of wise old person, the Yoda or Galadriel trope of U.S. politics.
I'll be amazed if either of them lives out two terms. I'd be unsurprised if the next President is a one-termer, even resigning for health reasons.
The VP is going to be an important choice.

[Tommy2Tone]

29. Maybe you should read a few remarks left by Bernie supporters about Hillary?

Before you offer up advice.

[Agnosticsherbet]

31. Hillary Clinton released her health records on july 31...

He should release his.
It is in no way, shape, or form ageism.
Clinton released hers. Sanders should release his.

http://www.p2016.org/clinton/clinton073115pr.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-07-31/hillary-clinton-s-doctor-describes-her-as-fit-to-serve-as-president-

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/31/us/politics/hillary-clinton-doctor-letter.html?_r=0

[HDSam]

32. Why stop there?

Let's pull out all the stops and have them submit their DNA for testing. Surely we wouldn't want to elect a president that might be predisposed to prostate cancer, high cholesterol, heart disease, breast cancer or who-knows-what!

The fate of the free world depends on us knowing if our choice for the highest office in the land could keel over at any moment from a previously undiagnosed aneurysm!

/Sarcasm off/

But seriously, we've had some presidents that had very significant health issues, such as FDR, that nonetheless were great leaders.

[Agnosticsherbet]

35. I think releasing his health care records is sufficient. No Sarcasm necessary.

No hyperbole, just release his healthcare records.

[Pharaoh]

38. release yours

On DU, just give us a link to your whole health history.

[okasha]

43. When did Agnosticsherbet become a candidate for President?

[Agnosticsherbet]

45. I am not running for President. Clinton did it. Even Jeb Bush did it.

Are you afraid that Sanders has something to hide?

[Pharaoh]

51. G W Bush

I was really concerned about his mental health. Get that for us and we'll talk

[Agnosticsherbet]

52. G.W. Bush isn't running. Sanders is. It has been done since 2004 by candidates.

Except for Kerry, and that turned into a huge issue. He lost.
Does Sanders has something to hide?
Or is he just not serious as a candidate.

[Pharaoh]

53. Your not worth it AS

have a good night

[HDSam]

39. Well,

If you feel the health of the potential future President is truly a legitimate and valid concern, why not get the complete picture? Why stop at half-measures?

[Agnosticsherbet]

46. Obam released his in 2008. The link is below. It is part of running

for President.
http://www.politico.com/story/2008/05/obama-releases-health-record-summary-010686

[HDSam]

48. You

dodged the question.

[Agnosticsherbet]

50. Because medical records are the standard.

And they are expected.

In 2004, where Kerry did not release his complete records it became an issue in the campaign. I am sure you noticed that Kerry did not win.

In modern times, there are some things that are expected. He should release his medical records. There should be nothing to hide.

[HDSam]

55. If there should be nothing to hide, Clinton

should follow McCain's example that you yourself referenced down thread and release her actual medical records, not a two page summary. He released 1500 pages and by my count, Clinton has 1498 to go.

There should be nothing to hide, right?

[Agnosticsherbet]

56. I will await Sanders release of anything. I am sure he has nothing to hide.

[Fawke Em]

75. Well, he released he was having elective hernia surgery.

He had to approve that or it would have violated HIPAA.

[Agnosticsherbet]

77. That is not his medical record.

It has been common practice for over a decade.

[pinebox]

57. But the real important question is

when are they releasing their birth certificates!

[Agnosticsherbet]

62. Cruz released his. Born in Canada. yep.

[George II]

33. I don't know where this came from or what you're talking about, but also don't appreciate....

....being told to be "careful" or having a pre-emptive "insult" thrown at a group of members here.

[George II]

34. You might want to "warn" your campaign compatriot:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251861027

[mindwalker_i]

37. Couldn't help but think of Elmer Fudd

"Be vewy vewy quite, I'm hunting political positions."

[ibegurpard]

41. Not to mention he's only a few years older than she is

As usual they just fling shit without any idea of how it can blow right back on them.

[Agnosticsherbet]

47. Obama and John McCain released their records in 2008. this is part of running for President.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/05/24/medical_records_state_mccain_fit_cancer_free/

[Fawke Em]

76. So that was after each secured the nomination, right?

Apples to oranges.

This is the primary.

I'm sure he will release it in due time.

[Agnosticsherbet]

49. Obama, McCain, and Clinton released their medical records in 2008

Romney and Ryan released them in 2012.

It is part of running for President.

When Kerry did not release his records in 2004, it became an issue in the campaign.

[Recursion]

59. Bluntly, as an O'Malley fan I love it when either of the other campaigns subtly brings up age

Though I doubt O'Malley's campaign will do that on its own.

[Beacool]

60. I have stated more than once that I think that 75 is too old to start a presidency.

I stand by that assertion. I have also said that Hillary is pushing it too, but at least there's precedence in her case because she would be the same age Reagan was when he was elected.

[Bluenorthwest]

68. And Reagan is a good argument for electing older candidates? No, he's not.

Here's the political truth: age and health issues favor Martin O'Malley and supporters of Clinton or Sanders are nuts to drag that subject to the table. Nuts.

[Beacool]

71. I didn't drag anything.

I have no idea why there are all of a sudden so many posts about both their ages.

[Sheepshank]

65. You may do well to talk to your own anti Hillary group

Several weeks ago, anti Hillary DU'er brought up Hillary's health.

Opening the door to nasty politiking and then wanting to slam that same door shut when it's applied to Bernie?

Yup, pretty digusting, huh?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251818546
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251818546#post7

So how do you want to explain all of this just on 11/30/15...a noble, proud or petty response? Where does it end?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251860867
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251860837
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251861027

[Fawke Em]

78. That first link - she's an O'Malley supporter.

But, in any case, health isn't the same as age.

You could be 74 and healthy as a horse or 35 and sick. Age isn't the matter.

[Sheepshank]

84. Read my words a little more carefully n/t

[Renew Deal]

66. Sanders advanced age and health are a legitimate issue in a presidential campaign

He would be the oldest president ever elected to a first term. And Obama showed that the presidency takes energy.

[LexVegas]

69. What backlash? Being an even bigger sore loser? nt

[MohRokTah]

72. THREAD WIN!!!!

[Fawke Em]

79. ???

That statement was lame. It hardly won a thread.

[MohRokTah]

82. It was HILARIOUS!

Definitely thread win.

[Tarc]

83. Lol backlash

What will you do, suck both thumbs in frustration instead of the usual one?

[Faux pas]

85. K N R