Look, I was pissed off when people tried to make Hillary Clinton's health a thing

[Godhumor]

After she fell there were threads here saying she should sit out the election and enjoy being a grandma. I thought it was something of a low point for DU at that time, and it would be hypocritical of me to not say the same thing now for Sanders.

I trust that every candidate is smart enough to know when he or she can or cannot run. If they're willing to campaign, are committed to doing the job and are of sound mind, I don't care if they're on the older side of life expectancy.

Bernie is not my first choice for our nominee. But his age doesn't bother me in the slightest. I can only hope to be as healthy and as active in my seventies as he is now.

[Agschmid]

1. Yup.

[Crystalite]

2. Thank you. (eom)

[beam me up scottie]

3. Thank you, Godhumor.

You have indeed tried to be fair with your criticism.

[Godhumor]

5. I enjoy a good throwdown every now and then

But this falls very clearly into the, "How would I respond if someone said the same thing about my candidate" territory.

And thanks for the kind words. Oddly enough, I enjoy the people on GDP on all sides, for the most part. It is fun being here.

[beam me up scottie]

7. I think it's an acquired taste.

Those of us who have duked it out for years can handle the food fights in here but it's good to call people out when they go too far.

I do need to take breaks from GDP when it gets too toxic.

[Agschmid]

10. +1

[R B Garr]

12. You have almost 8,500 posts in 90 days...

Looks like you don't take breaks after all.

"but it's good to call people out when they go too far." Maybe your previously admitted "bookmarking" and "compiling' of posting stats and calling people out is where the toxicity comes from. I thought calling out posters was against the TOS.

[beam me up scottie]

13. Stalk people much? Did you guys find my facebook page yet?

I thought calling out posters was against the TOS.

Maybe you should clean up your own house before trying to ruin Godhumor's thread.

[R B Garr]

14. You just admitted to stalking people in your quote

from this thread. You have 8,500 posts to prove it.

[beam me up scottie]

40. Where did I admit to "stalking people"?

You must have reading comprehension problems.

[R B Garr]

41. I just kicked the thread where you said you keep

"bookmarks" and "compilations" on posters.

In this thread you said you like to call people out.

[beam me up scottie]

44. Nope, no posts there saying I keep "bookmarks" and "compilations" on posters.

If you could post the exact quote where I admitted I kept tabs on poster that would prove you weren't lying but I'll bet you won't.

I've discovered that liars can usually talk a good game but never back up their bullshit.

Post the proof or look like a liar, your choice.

[LostOne4Ever]

77. They won't do it because they can't. nt

[beam me up scottie]

79. If everyone who uses the bookmark feature is "keeping tabs" on posters we're all stalkers.

And don't even get them started on using teh Google to look up old posts, apparently that is truly evil.

[marym625]

53. Hmm.

You're calling someone out for having a high post count? That's a first.

Please stop the crap. This is a great post bringing people together. Your baloney is not helping anything nor making you look anything close to reasonable.

Peace

[R B Garr]

57. lol, so disingenuous.

[LostOne4Ever]

72. No, they are not disingenuous...that is exactly what you did. nt

[R B Garr]

74. Very disingenuous.

[LostOne4Ever]

75. Let the link speak for itself

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=861217

[R B Garr]

80. Okay, bye. Yes, let it be shown that people will

be called out and badgered by the poster I responded to. Thats where I came in, so let that be shown. Lol

[LostOne4Ever]

82. No it just shows you attacking someone for a post count

[font style="font-family:'kaiti','MS Mincho','Fangsong',fantasy;" size=5 color=teal]Pretty petty post.[/font]

[EvolveOrConvolve]

88. The badgering appears to be coming from you

And based on your behavior in the two threads I've read (so far), you appear to be quite the badgerer. Why don't you go bully someone else?

[tkmorris]

91. "Let that be shown"?

This isn't fucking Ironsides mate, and you ain't Aaron Burr. Give it a rest.

[Autumn]

96. It does seem to me if you are kicking an old thread where you are accusing BMUS

of stalking, there is definitely some stalking going on. But it's not BMUS doing the stalking.

[Aerows]

19. Ever notice how some folks experience diction change

and phrase words differently at different times of the day?

Yeah. I've noticed the FUCK out of that.

Sometimes I wish I was too stupid to notice things like that.

[R B Garr]

22. Do you have an example?

[Aerows]

23. DU is the plainest example I could offer. n/t

[LostOne4Ever]

73. Here you go

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us

[840high]

30. What a strange post.

[beam me up scottie]

32. I have a fan club at the Clinton Cave.

Just like the posters at the conservative cave but we know who the players are.

I think I'm supposed to be intimidated but after being stalked in real life these internet amateurs don't bother me.

The worst they can do is follow me around and try to bully me on DU. Hell after months of trying they still haven't been able to find my facebook page. I can hack it, I figure if the bullies and bigots hate me I must be doing something right.

It's just a shame they're trying to ruin a good thread by a classy Hillary supporter.

[R B Garr]

34. More misrepresentations. Your own post in this thread

and your previous posts about keeping 'bookmarks" and "compilations" (your words) on other posters show the real story. Your obsessions are pretty obvious given your 8,500 posts in 90 days.

This place is unreadable with so many posts like that just calling people out (your words in this thread). Its no wonder people want to get away.

[840high]

37. Yet you stayed and seem to follow the posts.

[R B Garr]

38. 8500 posts in 90 days are hard to miss

which is what I said in my first post that you didn't understand.

[beam me up scottie]

39. That is a lie. Post the link to where I said I keep bookmarks and compilations on other posters.

You have a nasty habit of stalking people and unless you can prove your claim it will be obvious you're lying and a hypocrite.

[beam me up scottie]

45. Post the exact quote about keeping "bookmarks" and "compilations" on posters.

You don't want people to think you're lying, do you?

[R B Garr]

46. I kicked the thread, so you can respond there.

In this thread you said you "call people out" if they go too far "your words". I guess that's how you rack up the post count, by making this place unreadable.

[beam me up scottie]

47. Post the quote or look like a liar, your choice.

And since you stalked me here to continue a discussion from another thread and are posting information from my profile as a call out I would argue that it's stalkers who not only make this place "unreadable", they also make DU suck.




And actually for the past 90 days I spent a lot of time in MIRT trying to make this place readable.

Ferreting out trolls is a lot of work.

[R B Garr]

48. Your 8500 posts in 90 days are hard to miss

That's why I found it so hilarious that you commented about derailing threads when you make this forum unreadable with your obsessions. I can barely go into any thread here without seeing you attacking people personally. You even comment in this thread thread that you call people out.

[beam me up scottie]

49. How many of them were in MIRT? And post your proof or look like a liar.

Your stalking is obvious and unless you can post proof of my "keeping tabs" on posters that will make you a hypocrite and a liar.

Last chance.

Proof or you're lying.

[R B Garr]

50. This whole forum is unreadable with your own admitted

behaviour of calling people out. You said it here in this thread that you call people out if they go too far, which makes you the admitted stalker.

[beam me up scottie]

51. Lying it is then! Thank you for playing! :)

You may now resume your stalking but it's obvious you have zero credibility.

[R B Garr]

52. With 8,500 posts in 90 days, it's you who has no credibity.

Just look at this thread where you said you call people out if they go too far and then you have to pad your post count with manipulative denials of what you just typed.

[beam me up scottie]

54. ARGLE BARGLE GACK!

[polly7]

63. This one LIVES for this sort of thing.

I pity (ok ... I think I should pity) him/her, because it's all they seem to really care about here.

And then the whistle goes out ......... and look out! [URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

[beam me up scottie]

67. They sure do, the hypocrisy is staggering.

Stalks me here to continue a discussion from another thread, posts information from my profile and then accuses me of keeping tabs on other members?

Some people make this way too personal, as you well know my dear friend.

[polly7]

93. They sure do, bmus.

I guess it keeps them from having any time to do it to anyone in real life, so there's that.

[Curmudgeoness]

97. Oh, good god!

We will all call people out if they go too far, or if they are exhibiting behavior that should not be ignored. You are making a fool of yourself here. Commenting on a post that should be called out is not "stalking". Learn the difference.

Not that it is any of your business, or any of our businesses, how many posts some DUers make, but BMUS did give an explanation that seems fair to me that she has been on MIRT for the past 90 days. That takes a lot of posts to do it right.

BTW, this is a call out, but it certainly is not stalking. I have no idea who you are, and just wandered into this thread and noticed how badly you are treating another DUer.

[Lordquinton]

83. I'm curious now

Where is the posts you claim to exist? And why to you refuse to post them?

BMUS's post count can be explained by having numerous exchanges like this where she asks a question, the other person refuses to answer, she asks again, other person refuses to answer and so on. Happens to me a lot, amazing how much you can go back and forth when one side flat out refuses to answer simple questions, and spins hard to throw it back on the person they are *ahem* conversing with.

Now, can you answer her (and now my) simple question? Where are the posts you claim exist?

[R B Garr]

85. Lmao, read the thread.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

86. We've all read the thread

And we're still waiting for the link. Come on champ, you can do it - just post the link.

[Lordquinton]

89. I did read the thread.

That's why I'm asking you directly. Now, will you provide evidence of your claims? or just continue to deflect?

[LostOne4Ever]

90. When one won't link and quote, you can know for sure they are full of it. nt

[Lordquinton]

94. If it's in this thread a post number would suffice

but I did read and can't find it. Maybe I'm just not bright enough to see it?

[EvolveOrConvolve]

56. BMUS has asked repeatedly for a link to the post

where she claims to have kept "bookmarks and compilations" on other posters, and you have yet to do so. Why don't you just post the damn link?

[R B Garr]

58. Did you read where she calls people out?

Start with that. I'll kick the thread again now. Look for it.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

61. It's not that difficult

Just post the damn link.

[R B Garr]

64. I kicked the link. Its not that difficult to find it.

So off you go. Lets see if she edits.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

65. I don't get what's stopping you from posting a link

It's not against the rules, so just post the damn link.

[R B Garr]

60. Its in the Age/Primary Preference poll I just kicked

But, please, she didn't ask for links, she was just deflecting do that wasn't genuine.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

62. Again, just post the link

It's not a difficult cut and paste operation.

[R B Garr]

66. click on the link I kicked. Not difficult.

Ciao.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

68. I've read through the thread multiple times

And there isn't anything in there that backs up your little story. I suspect have haven't posted a link because there isn't anything to link to that will back up your little story.

[R B Garr]

69. So why ask for the link for something you just read.

So phony, and so is your comment.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

78. Really?

You deliberately misrepresent something BMUS said by pointing to a thread where she didn't say what you claimed she said, then wonder why I asked for a link?

I believe the scientific term is "calling someone on their bullshit", and bingo, I gotcha.

[tkmorris]

92. Who da fuck knows what you kicked?

Link it. Or don't. I doubt anyone cares anymore.

[LostOne4Ever]

81. Misrepresentation?

[R B Garr]

84. Lame

[EvolveOrConvolve]

87. Ah, the eloquence...

I'm sure you think you're quite the pithy one, but to be honest, you're getting your ass handed to you.

[R B Garr]

35. Uh huh

[Godhumor]

29. Hell, I took on the Sherdog War Room in 2008 as a lefty in Obama v McCain

GDP can't even come close to matching that level of batshit insanity.

If you don't know, the War Room is the political group on Sherdog, a mixed martial arts forum and website. Let's just say Democrats are pretty outnumbered.

[beam me up scottie]

31. Yikes! I can't even imagine...

Our local boards are pretty bad, I had to stop reading the comments in the news articles because of the racism.

Compared to the bigotry and bullying that goes on elsewhere DU is like Mr. Rogers' neighborhood.

[Docreed2003]

70. As a relative newbie...

I love this reasoned response Scottie! I may be a lurker/stalker but I respect your posts because they fall more often than not into a sensible side, and, full disclosure they fall in line with my own beliefs. So keep on keepin' on

[beam me up scottie]

71. Hello Docreed2003!

Thanks for the support, I try not to let this place get to me but I'm only human.

I try to remember that I like and respect most Hillary supporters. All of us go back quite a ways and if we could come together in 2008 we'll get through this too.

Welcome to DU!

[Docreed2003]

76. Thanks so much!

Keep up the good fight and those of us of like mind should do the same!!

[JI7]

4. i would say Sanders is probably more healthy now than bill Clinton

Was when he became president.

[upaloopa]

6. Let's not bring ageism into this.

Bernie seems healthy to me and I am 69.

[jeff47]

8. Then you'd better have a chat with your friends who are doing so. (nt)

[upaloopa]

26. You chat with whoever.

[artislife]

33. Whomever, but whatever. nt

[JoePhilly]

9. Same.

[beam me up scottie]

11. Kick!

[dsc]

15. I think for both of them, age will be somewhat of an issue

and ironically it might well be with contemporaries of them in terms of age that this issue is the most pressing. To me, age is a very individual thing. I look at Tony Bennett, who is still touring in his 80's. Barry Manilow doing so in his mid 70's. Shirley McClain who is still dancing marvelously in her 80's and don't forget Jane Fonda, Lilly Tomlin, Martin Sheen, and Sam Waterston who are marvelous on Netflix in their 70's. That said, I also think of my own parents both of whom are dead (mom at 62 dad at 77) and can't help to wonder just how able they would be to keep that kind of schedule. Both of them appear to be in great health, both seem to have taken care of themselves (neither smoke, neither drink to excess, neither seem to over eat etc) but anyone in their late 40's and beyond personally know people who looked great and then didn't really fast at the ages both of them are. A younger, capable VP nominee would be a must for either one (Palin was all the more troubling given McCain was a 73 year old cancer survivor).

[morningfog]

20. I agree with everything you posted.

If age is a concern, and with either of the two it is or could be, consider the VP. It has to be someone with vitality and youth on their side. Simply a must. And whatever happens happens, as we all know.

[Godhumor]

28. Which is why I don't think O'Malley or Warren realistically have a shot at VP

It says something when O'Malley is the young ones if the candidates. I have been pretty adamant that Castro will be Clinton's selection, if she wins the nomination, because he fills in a lot of gaps for her. One of which has to be the fact that he is quite young by political standards.

I'm not sure what Bernie's thinking would be for Veep. Most of the current federal critters have already aligned themselves with Clinton, so it might be a bit awkward when it is time to choose one to help him run the country.

[MeNMyVolt]

16. K&R! n/t

[Aerows]

17. Have I missed something?

Is Hillary Clinton ill?

[morningfog]

18. No. A Bernie hating disruptor has posted a couple threads

on his age and a common hernia surgery. It was in poor taste and by a common shit stirrer, but that is the reason for this thread. This poster is not an asshole, for which I commend them.

[Aerows]

21. Hell, my father had hernia surgery

and he's probably healthier than 90% of the men 10 years younger than he is.

[HerbChestnut]

24. Thanks for another sensible post, Godhumor.

[restorefreedom]

25. i always appreciate your consistency and fairness. nt

[Cha]

27. Thanks for highlighing the hypocrisy.

[Dem2]

36. I agree

And this will (hopefully) be my one and only comment in any of the "health" threads.

[Cassiopeia]

42. Bernie is riding coach class for his campaign tour.

Hillary is riding private jet with full SS staff.

I think Bernie's health is just fine.

[marym625]

55. K&R!

Great post. Really glad to see it

[Rex]

59. I trust she would not try if she thought there was something wrong with her that would

disrupt the time she is in office. Bernies age is irrelevant to me.

[Bluenorthwest]

98. A nice post, and I agree. Plus, any Democrat who has 'concerns' about age and health should be

voting for O'Malley, those arguments are banana peels waiting for supporters of either of the other two.