2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHRC's "baggage" spurs re-think of Democratic nominee
Gripped by the fear that the current frontrunner, Hillary Clinton, has too much baggage to win the general election, a concerned contingent of Democrats is pushing to nominate someone who the GOP will find totally acceptable, so as to avoid any unpleasantness leading up to next Novembers election.
Their nominee-of-choice, one Jesus Christ, seemed to be the safest choice. However, once his past history was scrutinized, Republicans quickly weighed-in with their objections to The Nazarenes potential presidential run.
Born in Bethlehem? Hey, I know what these Jersey kids are like and it aint good. - Chris Christie
Jesus? Sounds Mexican to me. Is this guy even in the country legally? - Donald Trump
The Prince of Peace? Hell come after our guns you know that, right? - Wayne LaPierre.
Never married? Hangs out with his twelve buddies? Come on, hes gay. - Lindsay Graham
Feed the hungry? Shelter the homeless? Yeah, say hello to more welfare bums living off the taxpayers dime. - Paul Ryan
Served loaves and fishes to a multitude and not a single Republican was invited. - Jeb Bush
Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesars? Kiss those tax loopholes and offshore accounts goodbye, my fellow 1%ers. - Mitt Romney
Able to cure the sick without them paying up front? Sounds like that dreaded socialized medicine to me! - Ben Carson
So he was sent here by God, his father? Uh, I dont think so just ask my dad. - Ted Cruz
Love your enemies? Typical bleeding-heart liberal who thinks we should cave to terrorists. - Michele Bachman
Can turn water into wine? As an expert on water consumption, I can assure you this is impossible. - Marco Rubio
So his mom was a virgin when she conceived. Why is that so hard to believe about my daughter twice? - Sarah Palin
So we should give up worldly possessions in order to follow him? This man is obviously some kind of crack-pot! - Pat Robertson
Blessed are the peacemakers? That phrase sounds like a smoking gun that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud. - Dick Cheney
Hes actually the anti-Christ and I can prove it with a blackboard and a piece of chalk. - Glenn Beck
Love my neighbor? I cant even remember how many houses I own. So how am I supposed to know who my neighbors are, no less how I feel about them? - John McCain
Be my brothers keeper? Look, Ive already advised Jeb on how to keep the country safe from terrorist attacks. And I still cant keep him from losing. How much more of this keepin stuff am I supposed to do? - George W. Bush
Sure the guy was scourged, tortured and crucified but did he ever suffer the humiliation of riding a school bus while wearing breadbags over his sandals? - Joni Ernst
I have never seen a single photograph of this Christ person wearing a sweater vest. I rest my case. - Rick Santorum
Have you seen the pics of this guy on the cross? Looks to me like hes wearing a diaper. Why is that okay for him, and not an honest Republican like me? David Vitter
Jesus and I went to high school together. Didnt like him then, and dont like him now. - Phyllis Schafly
History tells us that no matter who the Democrats proffer as their standard-bearer going into a general election, the Republicans will be digging up "baggage" that will be exploited by the GOP - and whether that "baggage" is a result of fact or fiction is of little consequence. It will be repeated, regurgitated, spewed by pundits, headlined by the MSM, and endlessly opined upon by political "journalists" who wouldn't recognize a fact if it bit them in the ass
That being said, one wonders what kind of "Democrats" think appeasing the Republicans by NOT standing behind the clear choice of our own Party (whoever that may be) is a good idea. One wonders why some "Democrats" think we should instead take the GOP's perspective on our chosen candidate under serious consideration before WE decide who WE want to be our standard-bearer next November.
I don't know which is more politically naive: thinking that the Republicans will leave any Democratic nominee unscathed, or believing that any Democratic nominee cannot - and will not - be the victim of endless attacks by the opposing party.
I will stand with whoever my Party chooses as their nominee - and I will never allow the Republicans to define who that nominee should be.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)I don't know which is more politically naive: thinking that the Republicans will leave any Democratic nominee unscathed, or believing that any Democratic nominee cannot - and will not - be the victim of endless attacks by the opposing party.
Good points!
I will stand with whoever my Party chooses as their nominee - and I will never allow the Republicans to define who that nominee should be.
Hear! Hear! Any one of our candidates is infinitely better than the best candidate on the GOP side. Hands down.
mcar
(42,334 posts)And they will use anything - real or imagined - against the Dem nominee. This should be obvious to people.
Great post!
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)Poor Phyllis.
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... in saying they went to high school together. In actual fact, Phyllis graduated some ten years before Jesus was a freshman.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)How I wish we had real unrecs for your codswallop.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts).. 'I will stand with whoever my Party chooses as their nominee - and I will never allow the Republicans to define who that nominee should be.", and you have a problem with that?
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... are that he consistently demeaned the Democratic Party until he found it politically expedient to "join" the Party when he had to, and that he has been rattling off the same laundry list of complaints about what's wrong with the country for decades, without any sign that he has actually DONE anything about those complaints.
How that ties into what I've said here about Republicans is anybody's guess.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)At the crazy statements.
George II
(67,782 posts)....the one that would be able to handle and throttle false claims of "baggage" would be Hillary Clinton. She's been doing it since the 1980s.
From the phony Whitewater "scandal", to the Rose Law firm false accusations, to the slanderous "hints" about Vince Foster (which reared it's ugly head here on DU the last day or two), and most recently the digging into her health history. She fends them all off, each and every time coming out stronger more resolute.
So, bring on the "baggage" folks - the only real baggage she has will be delivered to the White House on January 20, 2017, and all the other candidates will be sent packing!
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)And solid reasons why Hillary Clinton is the Democratic Party front-runner. After the last Benghazi hearing, she just knocked it out of the park for me.
She's a formidable opponent and can stand toe-to-toe with anyone - and win. She convinced me that she can get things done for the good of the country.
Six Republican attorneys-turned-politicans did their best, wielding all their years of experience as litigators to have her slip up. She faced them alone, she stood her ground, and she even corrected them. She came out looking stronger than any of them. She showed, during those long hours just how tough she is - and how presidential. She showed a remarkable, almost photographic memory, and she showed me that she's the one to succeed President Obama and will probably get more things done even with a Teabagger House.
So let them do their best. Let them hurl all kinds of nit-picked "baggage" at her. It won't stop her from reaching the White House, giving us another eight years that a Democrat leads this country.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)Excellent job Ms. Greggs.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Cha
(297,323 posts)look desperate.
Hillary has the experience of getting rid of any "baggage" the gopropaganda machine throws at her.. that includes the "concerned" BS supporters.
rpannier
(24,330 posts)Oh... now I know... that's Trey Gowdy
He looks confused or constipated or something
Cha
(297,323 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....Howdy Gowdy was pondering the demise of his legislative future.
Cha
(297,323 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)Heck, I don't even know her, but her writing floors me, and has for years. Kindred spirits and all that, I guess. Wish I could be so eloquent.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)rpannier
(24,330 posts)I laughed hard
My only complaint... should have had a warning, 'Do Not Read While Eating or Drinking.'
The pumpkin is because I like Halloween
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Last edited Tue Dec 1, 2015, 11:18 AM - Edit history (1)
Oh don't get me wrong, Hillary has a past where baggage has been manufactured and greatly emphasized. She has always been in the GOP spotlight. They've seen this possible Whitehouse win coming for the last 12 years and have had years to create that baggage. It would seems that most of it is seen for what it is, and frankly it is starting to play against them by berning out the public. But the bottom line is that we pretty much know the "baggage" that the GOP has against Hillary. If Bernie is the nominee, he will not be able to avoid his own significant "baggage". To assume otherwise is naive.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)It's a good thing that those with little to no tolerance for criticisms on Bernie, won't really have to deal with that Bernie baggage.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... or beneath the seat in front of her. This will be a smooth flight that departs and arrives on time.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)PosterChild
(1,307 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)"dumb as a brick and twice as thick" on that steaming pile of creepy greatness that is hillaryclintonsupporters.com? E.g., as you admitted here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7282227
If so, may I suggest that you spend more time at another site where most of the members aren't so @#$&ing stupid? Do us all amfavor and don't lower yourself this way.
Also, DIRC that you said you are Jewish, as I am? If so, you may want to inform the proprietors of hillaryclintonsupporters.com that @#$& like this is anti-semitic:
TSIAS
(14,689 posts)The OP might not be spending time on this site for a while, as she is currently on another vacation.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)I've been on this site since 2004, but I'm still not that hip to the lingo.
TSIAS
(14,689 posts)If a member has 5 posts hidden by juries within a 90 day period, posting privileges for that poster are temporarily revoked.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Was it like this in 2008? I feel like I avoided all of this junk back then.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I can see why she's so popular over there.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Great to see you tonight.
Do you know if there's a screen cap of the 'Dumb as a brick..." greatness? We oughta have an archive of screen caps from that place.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Happy to see you out and about too.
I don't know, I'll have to ask around and do a search since I don't recall the last time it was posted.
Brb...
All I could find was Nance admitting she said it:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=726487
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I'll try to share tomorrow.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I enjoy seeing hypocrites hoisted on their own petards.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)about how you keep track of people Last night you called me a liar for quoting you, but now I see you remember how your files and compilations are shared. Hypocrisy for sure!
Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #33)
Post removed
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)about who had the compilations keeping track of people. Looks like that's getting cleared up, though, as you all decide who has what little tidbit to use. It's refreshing to see this honesty! Thank you!
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Nance is always spot on.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The alert stalking and trolling was bad enough but accusing a Jewish candidate of being financed by Israel is inexcusable.
And then there were the posts about Stormfront...
KMOD
(7,906 posts)took you off ignore for a moment to just say, ...
eh, nevermind, back on ignore you go.
I know.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)after all about how you keep track of people. You are back on track!
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I like knowing who defends those who call others names behind their backs while calling them childish.
I also like know who the bigots on this board are.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)excoriate Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Its shameful what is said about her.
And, yes, defending those who feign confusion is too much dishonesty for you, so thanks for that.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)you keep track of people. Last night you didn't remember, but now you do. Great going!
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)I would publicize being called "stupid as a brick and twice as thick" but to each, their own.
As for the anti-Semetic sentiments written on another website, and not by Nance Greggs, I can only surmise that you seem to think that Nance is somehow responsible for them.
I don't know how far I would go down that path. I might refrain. After all, it's not as if Nance coauthored this piece of tripe.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)and it really bothers you. REC
morningfog
(18,115 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)but if he's the nominee and they all start digging into his history, they'll find plenty of "baggage."
Rose Hill law firm, meet Burlington College.
Cha
(297,323 posts)nolabear
(41,987 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)K&R
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)Almost sounded like the old Nance there
Yes, Bernie will be on the receiving end of attacks.
However.
Deep down, I'm certain that if they had their way, they would like Hillary to be the nominee. She's the one they can use to fire their base up just by mentioning her name. She's the one who can be counted upon to NOT fire up her own base. She's the one who, should she win, will ensure the continuation of politics as usual - which they all want.
So, I agree with you that we should not allow the Republicans to define who our nominee will be; but although there are some little-r republicans (who are probably closer to the center than most) who like Bernie, the big-R Republican Party fears him and would prefer not to have to run against him.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)I also bet no one whose support goes to someone other than the Chief Baggage Handler herself read more than a paragraph or two.
Long though... must be some important shit in a post that long.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)LuvLoogie
(7,014 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)they cannot wait to vote for her. Smart GOPers around here will tell me they fear her winning, because they know their candidates are all dumbfucks. Or they like Trump...which is good since he has no chance.
The stupid GOPers around here don't vote they just talk a big game. Fuck them let them talk.
Cha
(297,323 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)All of the stuff thrown at Hillary now, was tossed at her and Bill in the 1990s. The GOP Operation Chaos crowd know full well it is NOT a matter of her being unelectable, because:
After the well-funded and media-driven smears - often by the same pundits who got their start back in the 1990s:
They FAILED.
How did they FAIL?
Bill Clinton was elected in the face of the storm they brought against him and he was re-elected despite the tornado unleashed by the right in his first term.
Why did they FAIL?
Despite the ubiquitous use of media, they were unable to brainwash most of the public in the 1990s. They saw through the bull and could see there's a great difference in the two parties. There's no reason to think that those who remember those years will fall for it now.
Why will they FAIL AGAIN?
And they are recycling the same manure they dished out back then, and it will fail unless the gullible fall for it. This is not the fault of the Clintons or the party they represent, it's the gullibility of the hysterical people who have fallen for the idea that the GOP really does control the minds of all Americans.
I refuse to listen to or be intimidated by those who aren't Democrats and try to order me around and tell what a true Democrat is by using talking points of the Republican party.
I agree with Obama, who knew exactly what he was up against politically and faced all the unpleasant realities head on:
Those refusing to get with the Democrats need to stop trying to shine us on about our cause. The GOP nor its listeners haven't addressed one thing of true substance to Americans.
Why are they desperate?
Why are they trying so hard to make sure Clinton doesn't attain office they'll dredge up and promote absolutely anything?
They see her as the true end of the status quo. The liberation of women around the planet will change the economic, social and environmental dynamics of the world. She has devoted her life to this and never missed a chance to champion while she is surrounded by crickets, even by those who claim to be the best people in the Democratic Party.
It is and has always been about the means of human reproduction. Empower women with the freedom to choose to have children or not, allowing them to live at full capacity and participate. It will help end wars from the lack of cannon fodder and the pressure to regiment the masses; ease the root cause of ecological disaster by lowering the birth rate; it will relieve the pressures that lead to undemocratic institutions and governments.
There is enough at stake that the right saw all along, which is that a feminist who has worked on the cause of women's freedom for decades in the most personal and effective way in a harsh environment did get things done.
They see their doom and will lie, cheat, steal and even kill to keep the status quo going. For them, I sing the words of the REM song:
'It's the end of the world as we know it. And I feel fine!'
LOL at those who can't see the justice of freeing half of the human race, the GOP is a sick joke!
And ROTFLMAO at the OP!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Sancho
(9,070 posts)at least according to some poll analysis and rallies.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)Kind of like falling into an episode of "Twilight Zone."
oasis
(49,390 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts). . . are supporting ANYONE to appease the GOP.
Your post is offensive to Jews, but then you knew that already.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)You keep trying though.
mcar
(42,334 posts)How?
Cha
(297,323 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Loved the Palin one.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Sancho
(9,070 posts)We really don't know what Bernie can do if he faced a real repub battle. He's really never even faced a solid opposition in Vermont. The intel is there and has surfaced, but generally been ignored. Bernie has plenty of dirt and soft points.
So far, Bernie's temper, inability to respond outside the box, lack of broad-based experience, and weak advertisements bode poorly for a GE campaign that would defend against a billion dollar war chest.
Nice post, NG. The point is well-taken. I like your creative OP, and it makes sense for this election. It also helps demonstrate why a nationally experienced candidate should be the Democratic nominee.
Too bad that there's a subgroup that targets long-time Democrats and takes over threads so that reasonable discussion can take place. They ignore the TOS, post personal attacks, and swam like piranha. That's bad for DU, and hurts the candidate that they claim to support.
ismnotwasm
(41,992 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)That's who really controls half of the GOP.
Now, the half who are brainwashed nuts won't vote for her, but the moneyed jewelry rattlers will be just fine with her.
Lisa D
(1,532 posts)Love this OP
Gothmog
(145,335 posts)Reagan would be far too liberal for today's GOP
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)He sicced the National Guard on students at Berkeley as governor of California.
He claimed that trees caused more pollution than cars.
He fired members of PATCO, an air traffic controllers union.
He got involved in a stupid Mid-East conflict, and when that blew up in his face, he invaded a tiny Carribean nation.
He honored German war criminals at Bitburg Cemetery.
He constantly disparaged the poor and the disadvantaged.
His trickle-down voodoo economics doubled the national deficit in just 8 years.
His environmental policies sucked big time (James Watt, Anne Gorsuch).
He made off-the-cuff remarks about bombing the Soviet Union.
His attorney general, Edwin Meese, commented that "of course all suspects are guilty, otherwise they wouldn't be suspects".
He raised income taxes on the bottom income earners, while reducing taxes on the top earners (from 70% to 28%), and reduced capital gains taxes as well. He also increased the FICA payroll taxes on the bottom earners.
He followed the Kissinger Doctrine of overthrowing left-leaning Latin American governments.
In short, he was, and still is, the holy icon for conservatives.