Are we democrats defending Hillary Clintion over Elizabeth Warren?!

[Fearless]

Seriously what has this party become if THAT is acceptable?

[upaloopa]

1. You get to decide who is a Democrat?

If you ever wonder why Bernie's base doesn't grow read your OP

[Fearless]

2. My dear, no one said that.

[mindwalker_i]

7. Seems like you have already done that

He or she with the magic (D), regardless of the position they hold (or don't) or their history. It's kind of a religious thing - a matter of faith. And just like actual religions, faith leaves one open to manipulation.

[bravenak]

18. Yeah, Hillary has been a Democrat for many many many years.

[Cassiopeia]

21. Yes I do get to decide who is a Democrat.

I remember what this party stood for and I will continue to fight for it regardless of the money handlers at the top.

[Scuba]

23. /\_/\_This right here_/\_/\

[Le Taz Hot]

40. Ooh, good answer!

[George II]

129. No, the individual and the Party "decides who is a Democrat". What makes you think....

....that YOU can decide if I, Hillary Clinton, Elizabeth Warren, or anyone else is a Democrat?

[merrily]

29. Poster, please. The OP could hardly be milder.

Some DU OPs have suggested Sanders aids and abets pedophilia.

If DU's Op's were a marker for anything, O'Malley would be in first place, Sanders in second and Hillary would be lower in the polls than O'Malley.

[upaloopa]

57. Well if voters were a marker for anything Hillary would be in first place Sanders in second and

O'Malley would be last.

Wait they are the marker and Hillary leads the DEMOCRATIC field. See Bernie folks don't get to decide things for everybody.

[merrily]

59. No one has voted yet, so no. But, good try moving the goalpost anyway!

[Historic NY]

126. In 60 days they will.

[cascadiance]

107. And I guess Obama lost the election the last time we tried to measure it this way...

Polls don't measure ultimately who people will vote for as shown by past history, no matter how much those who want to use them to market someone want to make them out to be.

[Perogie]

30. really?

[ibegurpard]

3. yup

Some people are the Democratic equivalent of the Republicans who sent Mark Sanford to congress after he ran off to South America with his mistress while serving as SC governor.
Anyone with a D after their name...

[onehandle]

4. 'Democrats' should have a capital D.

Lesson one.

[oasis]

16. That is something a Democrat is supposed to know.

But a little schooling never hurts.

[merrily]

31. Actually, New Democrats could use a lot more lower case d democracy.

[Metric System]

5. Elizabeth Warren was a Republican until the 90s while Hillary has been a staunch party supporter

since the 70s.

[Segami]

6. "Staunch Party Supporter"....yea, The Third Way Party supporter!

[Jarqui]

10. Wasn't Hillary a Goldwater girl in the 60s?

Of course, she was.

Don't think it takes much to assess Elizabeth Warren is a lot closer to Bernie Sanders' positions than Hillary. Hillary is the one in the media fighting allegations of being "Republican Lite".

[bravenak]

19. She could not even vote yet. Good Grief!!

[merrily]

34. And when she could first vote, she voted Republican.

[dsc]

43. that is baldly false

she didn't vote for Goldwater (she was too young) and she did vote for Humphrey.

[merrily]

71. You've pulled this kind of crap on me before. I didn't say she voted for Goldwater.

And, aside from perhaps taking her word for it, you have no effing clue who she voted for after she turned 21.

[dsc]

90. you said, and I quote, when she was old enough to vote she voted for a Republican

that is a flat out falsehood. Oh, and we know rather well who she voted for in 1972 as she WORKED FOR HIM.

[merrily]

91. As I said, I never said Goldwater and what you quoted doesn't say Goldwater.

Thanks for showing yourself up. You couldn't find any language in my post to back up your claim last time, either.

I assume she first voted in 1968. She was 21 then when she was still in Wellesley and attended the Republican National Convention and was in a Republican college group. I know she claims she left the Republican convention because she was so chagrined by racist comments. What, she never heard that from Goldwater Republicans and Republicans generally between 1963 and the 1968 Republican National Convention? Not buying it. I think she turned Democratic after she met Bill and not a minute before. Supposedly, her commencement speech dissed Senator Brooke for being a Republican. I read it. It did no such thing.'

See also: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251862839

[dsc]

93. more GOP members voted for the CRA of 64 than Democratic ones (by percentage)

northern GOP were better on race than certainly southern Democrats. I can easily see her not hearing racist rhetoric from Illinois Republicans in the early and mid 1960's. Illinois GOP Senator Dirkenson was a leading supporter of the CRA and the VRA. It was Goldwater in 64 and Nixon in 68 who started the GOP down an explicitly racist path. In 1960, Nixon lost the black vote over his refusal to call for MLK to be released from jail. Before that the black vote was very much up for grabs and won by IKE in 52 and 56.

[merrily]

95. Too bad none of that has a thing to do with Hillary.

And no, we don't really know for a fact for whom she voted in 1972, either.

[leftynyc]

65. Do you really think

lying about that is a good idea?

[merrily]

72. Prove it.

[leftynyc]

76. You made the claim, cupcake

You said she voted republican as soon as she was able to vote. The way it works is when someone makes a claim they expect everyone to just swallow, they back it up with some kind of proof. Where's yours? Or you can just admit you pulled it out of your ass. Your choice.

[merrily]

77. "Cupcake?" Yuck.

[leftynyc]

80. Exactly how I felt

about you throwing out a lie with no evidence to back it up. Still no evidence. Yuck.

[pangaia]

103. Hi there "Cupcake."

I think I may just call you that for a while.
Is that OK?

[merrily]

105. Why would you want to do that? Are you in a mood to be that sexist?

[pangaia]

111. No No No.. sorry.

I should have included the sarcasm thingy

here..

We're on the same side...

[merrily]

113. Yes, the sarcasm smilie clarifies.

I guess, guys get called things like Skippy, so I didn't alert. But, it's pretty damned condescending and offensive.

[pangaia]

120. I'm so naive I don't even get the sexism in skippy OR cupcake.

Well maybe cupcake... :&gt

We'll just soldier on..

[merrily]

122. Well, Skippy might not be sexist. Usually, it's one guy poster calling another guy poster

Skippy. Maybe Skippy is just condescending, period. But a guy poster addressing a gal poster as cupcake is definitely condescending and sexist.

[pangaia]

123. Thanks..

[Jarqui]

83. Hillary served as president of the Wellesley Young Republicans

and was involved with the Republican party for some years afterwards

Her father had been very supportive of the Republicans.

In 1968, when she was nearly 21, Hillary worked as a intern for Nixon’s future Secretary of Defense, Melvin Laird - who supported Nixon’s policies of invading Cambodia and escalating the war in Vietnam. And she had some acquaintance with future Republican president Gerald Ford. Hillary became eligible to vote on her Oct, 1968, 21st birthday.


1968 (approximate) picture of Clinton interning with Republicans - she has the white hair band.

She did attend some Democrat events around that time but some (Carl Bernstein? - can't recall where I read it) feel it was as an "operative" for Nixon, as was apparently a common thing for young Republicans to do back then.

By '72, she'd made the transition to the Democrats and worked with Bill Clinton to help Eugene McCarthy's bid (in Texas).

It was a long time ago. I'm just responding with this to those taking a swipe at Elizabeth Warren for her Republican registration of years ago. Both women are clearly Democrats with Hillary's positions closer to Republicans.

[bravenak]

84. So? EW voted for Reagan when she was an ADULT. Like, finished with college and everything.

[Jarqui]

85. Prove that please with links

Warren has declined to say who she voted for when asked about this.

So please provide the links that prove she ever voted for Reagan.

My sister is a registered Republican ... and voted for Obama both times.

Maybe Elizabeth supported a Republican at a more local level

[bravenak]

86. She said she was a Republican.

Maybe there is a GOOD reason she will not say. No need.

[Jarqui]

87. In other words, your allegation that Warren voted for Reagan is made up conjecture

with no sound factual basis.

[bravenak]

88. Pffffttt!

[pangaia]

109. Check out those haircuts.

They are DEFINITELY republican haircuts.

I never hung with anybody who looked like that in 1968.

Why, I even got arrested after crossing the border from Mississippi to Tennessee with an expired license plate on an R-69S.... with a hot girl behind to me.(The new one was in my saddle bag. license plate, that is)

I was finger printed by the Memphis police, called a hippy shitpig and thrown in the drunk tank until a fellow faculty member at Memphis State Univ. could come vouch for me and bail me out.
Maybe the fact that I was white (still am, BTW) and my girlfriend was black had something to do with it. . Who knows...but I think it was mostly the hair.

[Jarqui]

118. fyi I think Hillary is shown beside Gerald Ford (on her left) in this 1968 picture

From the Clinton Presidential Library
"A 1968 congressional internship"
Couldn't find the larger pic - had read about it elsewhere
You can see where they signed the picture and wrote a note when you blow it up.

[SunSeeker]

121. Hillary was a Democrat by 1968. And it's "Democratic events," not "Democrat events."

Just like it's the Democratic Party, not "Democrat Party." Please do not insult our party on DU by using Rush Limbaugh's descriptives for it.

And no, Hillary was not a Nixon "operative." What a vile thing to say on DU, and so utterly wrong. She was one of the lawyers working to impeach Nixon. Carl Bernstein surely knows that.

And no, she was registering Democrats in the Rio Grande Valley in 1972 for Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern, not Eugene McCarthy. She supported Democratic presidential candidate Eugene McCarthy in 1968. And no, she was not a Republican "for years" after 1968:

"... the tumultuous years of the 1960s opened Hillary's mind to new political perspectives. After hearing Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. speak in 1962, Hillary began to develop strong opinions about civil rights, social justice, and the Vietnam War. By 1968, she was exploring the political landscape and working for politicians of both parties.
...
She supported Eugene McCarthy's (D-Minn) presidential campaign, served as a summer intern for the House Republican Conference (attending the Republican National Convention as a volunteer to draft Nelson Rockefeller), and witnessed the protests at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago. Before the end of that year, she decided to leave the Republican Party -- or as she later put it, "it left her."

As president of the student government at Wellesley, Hillary became an activist committed to working within the system. Seeking to ward off violence in the wake of King's assassination, she helped organize a disciplined two-day strike on campus and worked as a liaison to channel constructive dialogue and meaningful action. Her commencement address garnered national attention in Life magazine.

As a student at Yale Law School, Hillary continued to pursue her interests in social justice, children and families, and politics. She was on the board of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action, worked at the Yale Child Study Center, took on cases of child abuse, volunteered at New Haven Legal Services, and researched the problems of migrant workers for Walter Mondale's Subcommittee on Migrant Labor. In her post-graduate year, she continued her work studying children and medicine and served as staff attorney for the Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

In the spring of 1971, Hillary introduced herself to Bill Clinton, whom she had seen around the Yale campus. Bill had "a vitality that seemed to shoot out of his pores," (Living History, 52) she reflected. They shared a common interest in social justice and politics, and began what would be a lifelong relationship.

In 1974, when Bill returned to Arkansas to pursue his political career, Hillary moved to Washington to work as a member of the impeachment inquiry staff advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate investigation.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/biography/clinton-hillary/

[SunSeeker]

20. Hillary did not vote for Goldwater. She was too young to vote in 1964.

Check her DOB: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

Hillary has been voting Democratic and pursuing progressive Democratic goals her entire adult life.

She was out in the field registering Latino voters in the Rio Grande Valley back in 1972. 

Hillary Clinton, the presumptive favorite for the Democratic nomination, beat Obama 2 - 1 among Latino voters in the 2008 primary. It wasn't just name recognition, either. The Clintons have a robust network of Latino leaders and activists, and long history with outreach that dates back to 1970s in Texas. 
. . . 
In 1972, when a young Hillary and Bill Clinton were working the ill-fated George McGovern campaign, she worked closely with well-respected union leader, Franklin Garcia, who took her under his wing as she helped register Latino voters in south Texas and along the Rio Grande Valley.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/hillary-clinton-has-deep-history-with-latinos-and-theres-not#.jdqM3ajE3 

Elizabeth Warren, on the other hand, was a Republican into her 40s. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/10/24/elizabeth-warren-i-created-occupy-wall-street.html

[brentspeak]

89. You have trouble reading

That same Wikipedia article states that she interned for the House Republican Conference and worked for Nelson Rockefeller's campaign.

The article, which has obviously been edited by Hillary's paid PR staff, fails to mention that Hillary, as a freshman, elbowed her to way to become president of the Wellesley College Young Republican Club.

[SunSeeker]

117. You have trouble reading.

I was responding to a poster who said Hillary VOTED for Goldwater. That is false. I did not deny that as a teen she dabbled in Republican politics, back when Republicans were more like today's centrist Democrats.

Warren was a Republican all through the union busting Reagan administration and did not have her "political awakening" until 1996 when she was 46, as discussed in the article I cite.

Hillary had her political awakening at college, and was active in Democratic progressive efforts by her early 20s, such as that 1972 voter registration drive in the Rio Grande Valley I cite. What was Bernie doing in 1972, when he was in his 30s? Hint: http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/young-bernie-sanders-liberty-union-vermont

[Cha]

125. No, she doesn't have "trouble reading".. and, all you ever have are insults.

[George II]

130. In what manner did Clinton "elbow her way to become president of the Wellesley College....

....Young Republican Club"?

Rather presumptuous, aren't you?

[Beacool]

22. She was 17 years old.

Warren was 46 when she became a Democrat and Sanders only registered as a Democrat a few weeks ago.

The nonsense one reads on this site.........

[merrily]

38. Sanders cannot register as a Democrat because there is no such thing in Vermont.

The nonsense one reads on this site......

[hack89]

41. But he could identify as a Democrat like all the other VT Democrats do

he could run as a Democrat the other VT Democrats do, put a D next to his name like the other VT congressmen and senators do, participate in VT Democratic Party activities like the other VT Democrats do.


But he didn't.

[merrily]

42. Oh, but he did.

To quote Beacool again: "The nonsense one reads on this site......"

[dsc]

45. No he most certainly did not

He repeatedly, as in over and over, declined the Democratic nomination. He did caucus with the Democrats (like Angus King does and Lieberman did) but none of the three were nominated by the Democratic party in any election. In other words, they didn't run as Democrats.

[merrily]

46. Yes, he did. He's running as a Democrat. It's been in all the papers. Catch up.

[dsc]

49. His is doing it now

he didn't do it in the past. Did is past tense last I checked.

[hack89]

48. So why is there an "I" next to his name if he has been a Dem forever? nt

[merrily]

51. Poster, please. Spare me the silly games. I never said "forever." To the contrary,

saying "it's been in all the papers" implies the opposite of forever.

However, I don't believe he's the one who puts the I in the parens after his name, anyway.

[hack89]

52. But you agree that he could have run in VT as Dem if he wanted to?

that it was a choice made by him to run as an Independent?

[merrily]

55. LOL! Vermont Democratic Party nominated him more than once while he ran as an Indie.

And both Howard Dean and Schumer called him an asset to the Democratic Party while he caucused with Dems as an Indie.

As of now, he is a Democrat under Vermont law, recognized as such by the Democratic Parties of Vermont, New Hampshire and other states, as well as by the DNC.

But, I'll take the opinion of an anonymous poster over all of theirs.

[hack89]

56. "Sanders cannot register as a Democrat because there is no such thing in Vermont."

So you retract that statement?

[merrily]

58. Hah? Your question makes no sense. Beyond that, if you have a point, do try to make it.

At some point, posting games are tiresome.

[George II]

131. When did he do that?

[Beacool]

96. Please don't be disingenuous.

You know perfectly well that, even though Sanders caucused with the Democrats, he considered himself to be an Independent.

Here, this might help. Sanders and Angus King (ME) are the only two Independents currently in the Senate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_party_officeholders_in_the_United_States

[merrily]

98. Right backatch, beacool. Nothing about stating Vermont law accurately, as I did, is disingenuous.

Bernie has been a Democrat since at least May 2015. I never claimed he was a lifelong Democrat. Still, it is a matter of both fact and law that one cannot register in Vermont as a Democrat or as anything but a voter. It's a more modern, less "gotcha" way to go. I hope all states follow suit soon. FYI: He can't register as independent either. He has, however, received the nomination of the Vermont Democratic Party for U.S. Senator, even though he did not seek it--twice IIRC. And the Vermont Democratic Party recognizes him as a Democrat, as does the DNC, the New Hampshire Democratic Party and the Democratic Parties of some other states.

I know you'll forgive me if I take all of that as more authoritative than your post.

[Beacool]

99. That may be so, but for years he refused to be considered a Democrat.

IMO, he's only doing so now because he's running for president.

[merrily]

100. Are you as butt hurt about Lincoln Chafee?

He's long been described as an asset to the Democratic such as by Dean, when Dean was head of the DNC, and by Schumer, when Schumer was head of the DSCC. Good enough for me.

He did not want to be beholden to any party's donors. I cannot blame him.

[Beacool]

104. Butt hurt? What a crass remark.

What does Lincoln Chafee have to do with this conversation?

[merrily]

106. LOL! and LOL!

[Armstead]

67. And there uis something wrong with Warren being involved and seeing the light?

In terms of principles and values, I'll stack her democratic (small d and large D) credentials against Clinton's modern version of corporate conservative/moderate republican anyday.

[Beacool]

97. There's nothing wrong with Warren becoming a Democrat.

But if people are going to throw the "Goldwater girl" charge at Hillary, when they know perfectly well that she was just a kid at the time, then they need to be reminded that their liberal heroes were not registered Democrats until their middle or advanced age, respectively.

You can't have it both ways.

[Renew Deal]

64. Sanders supporters are using the same language as that Goldwater pin.

"In your heart you know he's right." I've seen more or less the same thing on DU.

[Armstead]

68. So?

It's not a bad sentiment. Just depends on who the "he" or "she" is. (As long you one uses the version of "right" as in correct, not the political term).

Judging by the past widely shared agreement with Sanders on issues and support for his character -- before he had the gall to actually run against Clinton on those same principles -- a lot of people do know in their heart he is right.

[cascadiance]

108. And Hillary was once a Republican and Bernie NEVER was!!!

You ask for the labeling game and you got it...

[MeNMyVolt]

8. Can we have some context, oh fearless one?

I like em both.

[Fearless]

14. Look to the OP's talking about Hillary campaigning with every female Democratic

Congressperson except Warren.

[seabeyond]

25. Who started the thread pitting one Democrat against another? The motive?

[merrily]

39. Fearless--living up to his or her screen name. The name is right on the OP.

[seabeyond]

50. I am not gonna hunt it down, but I believe the thread he is talking about pitting Warren against

Clinton was WillyT. Not positive, but pretty sure. Which is my point. Fearless is stating that Clinton supporters just all on their own went against Warren, those nast Clinton supporters.

Reality. Fact. An OP was created purely to pit Warren against Clinton.

That would be the pathetic.

[NCTraveler]

35. Isn't that awesome news for Clinton.

How and the world can you make this divisive? It really isn't intellectually possible.

[Zorra]

70. I didn't know that. Bernie should just ask Elizabeth to be his VP candidate now.

She would bring total win to the table for their Dem nomination, the Democratic party, and the people of the US after Bernie and Liz win the GE in a landslide.

[jeff47]

74. No. She should stay in the Senate where she can continue her work.

The VP can't do nearly as much as a Senator.

[Zorra]

75. If she helps Bernie win the Presidency, that would be doing more for this country

than any one Senator has done in the history of the US.

[jeff47]

78. There are others who can fulfill that role who are not Senators. (nt)

[Zorra]

81. Who would you suggest?

[jeff47]

82. I don't have "binders full of women" to go through right now.

Warren's also from the Northeast, and usually you want your VP pick to broaden your "geographic appeal". Sanders should also probably pick someone that helps demographically (ex. Latino/a).

Since I'm not especially familiar with people who fit that description, I don't have a list of names to give.

[colsohlibgal]

9. Not This Democrat

With some of the most dogged Hillary fans I sense they just are in love with voting for her, Third Way or not. Her taking gazillions from the Banksters does not seem to faze them in the least.

I don't care what Elizabeth Warren was years ago. I care about her stances now, and I will take her over Hillary every day if the week....she is not in the pocket of Wall Street.

[Docreed2003]

11. +10000

[SoapBox]

15. +1000000

[tazkcmo]

27. Be nice!

Some of her supporters here on DU are having a tough time of it.

"With a couple of kids in private school ($20k / year), nanny, housekeeper, groceries, vacations, car, clothes, dining, etc. you're barely breaking even."

She feels their pain.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251860815

[merrily]

47. I had to get along with only one nanny once. It was hell!

[Jake Stern]

66. You had a nanny?!

Soooooooo jealous

[merrily]

69. I have sarcasm, but no nanny.

[Ed Suspicious]

127. Warren has the zeal of the converted, and I love her for it.

[msongs]

12. warren can go where she wants, when she wants, with whom she wants. no probs there nt

[Kalidurga]

13. I think they will both do just fine without our defense.

[BlueMTexpat]

17. Absolutely! eom

[seabeyond]

24. OR, we are Democrats pitting Warren against Clinton. Ya... that would be pathetic.

[riversedge]

28. Those who do that are just following the divisives media--the are making

story that Warren did not show up--vs it should just be a celebration for Democratic women in the Senate. It was a lovely ceremony last night with tributes to Barb Boxer and McClosky (? spelling) Sentaors who will not seek re-election

[seabeyond]

32. I do not watch media. I do see who on DU is actively pitting Clinton and Warren though. I do know

that Fearless? presented his argument in a skewed fashion.

[riversedge]

26. Just another divisive OP

[NCTraveler]

33. I don't get what you mean. I love both of them.

Maybe a link or something that shows how you got to this thought. I just can't figure out how you get there.

[msrizzo]

36. I reject the argument that people who think and vote Democratic are not Dems.

So that aside, I think most Democrats don't think they are choosing between Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton, arcane arguments based on theoretical assumptions aside.

[Godhumor]

37. This is just a weird OP n/t

[NurseJackie]

44. What does this even mean?

[brooklynite]

53. This would make sense if anyone in the "Warren didn't endorse Clinton thread" had criticized her....

...but of course, they didn't.

[gwheezie]

54. Is there a fight?

I don't get it. Warren hasn't endorsed anyone yet. Why assume she won't endorse Hillary

[Fearless]

62. Didn't say that.

[blm]

60. This is silly, blackandwhite thinking. Warren knows there is still progress to be made

and intends to be part of shaping the debate. I stand with Warren.

Those who follow and repeat the blackandwhite/WarrenvsHRC script the media mouthpieces craft for you are just being shortsighted and dumb, imo.

Warren is NOT saying she won't support HRC - just that she is not yet ready to do so. This is a smart, practical AND political move. Lots of grey areas.

Those in either camp exaggerating the circumstance must be easily manipulated…….imo, of course.

[PatrickforO]

61. Democrats come in every stripe.

Thing is, it is the party that has deserted people like Warren by moving right. All we're trying to do is force the conversation left for a change. It's time for the pendulum to start swinging back our way, but it needs a little help from us.

Warren, Bernie and all their supporters are sort of 'winding the clock' on that.

[Renew Deal]

63. Why not defend both?

[one_voice]

116. +1

[Skidmore]

73. I like both of them

and I see them as women who can and would work together. I don't see them as enemies to one another or Democrats in general.

[merrily]

79. This Democrat is not defending the woman who claims she represents Wall Street

over the woman who defends most us from the banksters. It's not all that complicated, really.

[MohRokTah]

92. Hillary Clinton is more of a Democrat than Elizabeth Warren ever will be.

She's been a Democrat for more of her life.

Sanders is only a weeks old Democrat.

So the ones defending Warren are the ones who are defending the not-Democrat.

[cascadiance]

110. And Hillary was once more of a REPUBLICAN than Bernie EVER WILL BE too!

And some would claim that she has many of the same friends even now that Republicans do too moreso than Bernie does.

[MohRokTah]

112. Hillary Clinton was NEVER a Republican.

Her involvement in Republican organizations were all when she was of minor age an ineligible to vote, thus she could never have been a Republican because she could not vote then.

When she came of majority age and was able to vote, she was a Democrat.

[cascadiance]

115. She was a FRESHMAN IN COLLEGE at Wellesley College where she was president of Young Republicans...

there. Born in October 1947 and starting school there in 1965, she was 18 years old when she started college there and was an ADULT, no matter what the voting age was then. If she were president of the Young Republicans when she was an ADULT, she would be a registered voter today at that age and would have been a Republican. Quit making excuses for that former Republican!

I wonder if Elizabeth Warren was ever active enough to be elected president of a Republican organization when she was a Republican, if people here are going to criticize her so much for being one, even though Ronald Reagan was older as a Democrat switching to be a Republican than Warren was when she switched to become a Democrat.

[MohRokTah]

119. BULLSHIT!!!!!

In 1965, 18 years of age was STILL A MINOR! She was ineligible to vote until 1968, when she supported HUBERT HUMPREY.

The age of majority was not altered until 1972 when 18 year olds were granted the right to vote nationwide.

[cascadiance]

132. BULLSHIT! She was an ADULT, even if the voting age wasn't lowered yet then!!

Are you saying we sent "minors" over through a draft to fight in Vietnam when they turned 18 then? HUH?

NO, even if she couldn't vote then like she could today at that age, she was then, and would be now an ADULT!!!

I guess women before women got the right to vote were always "minors" in their lives? Even as senior citizens?

[MohRokTah]

133. More bullshit

She was still a minor BY LAW.

[cascadiance]

134. You are intentionally confusing the laws on VOTING AGE with the AGE OF MAJORITY!!!

Quit your manipulative efforts in calling me a liar when YOU are the one that is WRONG!!!

Read here...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority

...
The age of majority is the threshold of adulthood as it is conceptualized (and recognized or declared) in law. It is the chronological moment when minors cease to legally be considered children and assume control over their persons, actions, and decisions, thereby terminating the legal control and legal responsibilities of their parents or guardian over and for them. Most countries set majority at 18. The word majority here refers to having greater years and being of full age; it is opposed to minority, the state of being a minor. The law in a given jurisdiction may never actually use the term "age of majority" and the term thereby refers to a collection of laws bestowing the status of adulthood. The age of majority is a legally fixed age, concept, or statutory principle, which may differ depending on the jurisdiction, and may not necessarily correspond to actual mental or physical maturity of an individual.

Age of majority should not be confused with the age of sexual consent, marriageable age, school leaving age, drinking age, driving age, voting age, smoking age, etc., which all may be independent of, and sometimes set at a different age from, the age of majority.
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The age of majority, on the other hand, is legal recognition that one has grown into an ADULT.

Age of majority pertains solely to the acquisition of control over one's person, decisions and actions, and the correlative termination of the legal authority of the parents (or guardian(s), in lieu of parent(s)) over the child’s person and affairs generally.
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Some ages of license are actually higher than the age of majority. For example, the age of LICENSE to purchase alcoholic beverages is 21 in all U.S. states. Another example is the voting age, which prior to the 1970s was 21, while the age of majority was 18 in most states.

[MohRokTah]

135. You are the one confusing the issue.

She could NOT have been a Republican because she COULD NOT VOTE!

That's it.

Period.

[cascadiance]

136. So, then her REPUBLICAN group that she headed in Wellesley College by your definition was a joke?...

Because according to you, none of them until they were ready to graduate from college at 21 were Republicans or Democrats then?

And none of them were adults, but a good portion of them could get their asses hauled off to Vietnam to get killed then because they weren't adults by your definition? I was saying she was an adult. You were saying she wasn't, and therefore not a Republican.

Face it. You all continue to rail against Bernie because "he's not a Democrat", but when we bring up the FACT that she as a LEGAL ADULT headed up a group of other ADULTS in COLLEGE that called themselves REPUBLICANS, she wasn't a Republican just because she wasn't able to vote then, even though if she were that age today she could be.

That's like telling 18-20 year olds today that their stances on the drinking age doesn't count today, because even as adults, they aren't allowed to drink in many states now too.

It's a manipulative excuse trying to go after others but not having those you support being accountable for their positions and stances over their career.

Now, if I said she was a *registered* Republican voter, then you'd have a case, but I didn't say that. And the point wasn't whether she was legally able to vote, but what political views she's had over the years and which party she's aligned herself with. I think when she was a legal adult, and what would be considered voting age today, I think should matter, even if they hadn't passed the amendment that was passed in record time for everyone who believed that kids who could be sent off to war should be able to vote and have their viewpoints counted as ADULTS!

Nice to know that you and other Hillary supporters felt that no women were ever either Republicans or Democrats before they had the right to vote in 1920, since even if they were legal adults, and couldn't be held accountable or supported for their beliefs of any political party before 1920.

[MohRokTah]

137. Ubnder the law at the time she was STILL A MINOR

A woman under 21 was still a minor at the time.

[cascadiance]

138. Uh, you I guess don't know how to read...

If you feel that wikipedia page is wrong about what constitutes the Age of Majority, then why don't you correct it! It would be interesting to see you try to do that and the rationalization you would give to make that correction and how many people would hammer you for your manipulation the FACTS of what our laws consider define the AGE OF MAJORITY being the basis of whether we are adults or not.

A woman or a man under the age of 21 but over 18 was an ADULT who could be drafted to go to a war against their parent's wishes since they were NO LONGER THEIR GUARDIANS then when they were ADULTS, but they weren't able to vote because of the VOTING AGE restrictions, not restrictions on the AGE OF MAJORITY which was 18 years old then.

I can't believe how hard it is to have a rational discussion here sometimes.

[Kermitt Gribble]

94. Are you surprised?

DUers are now arguing against single payer, using right wing talking points.

I guess that's what happens with Party over Policy, which seems to be the norm these days...

[hill2016]

101. why do you get

to decide who is a Democrat?

I happen to like Clinton very much.

[Fearless]

124. Didn't say that.

[Hoyt]

102. Is Warren still running around saying we won't see the TPP language until 4 years after Congress

approves it.

Understand she's supporting removing the tax on medical devices that help fund ACA. Turns out her state has some big medical device companies bending her ear.

Warren is a decent person, but I'll stick with Clinton right now.

[hollowdweller]

114. I like both of them.

Who cares what they did when they were younger as long as they do the right thing now???

[George II]

128. Who is defending Clinton over Warren?

[MaggieD]

139. I like Warren, but

i'm a little turned off that she, like Bernie, comes off as full of herself.

[ecstatic]

140. Not sure what this is about but

I've come to like EW, but I'd like to hear her views on other matters (besides economic / fiscal issues) as well. It troubles me that she was a republican who supported Reagan, Bush, etc., but based on recent appearances, I think she's truly reformed. Time will tell.