Hillary Clinton is getting crushed on social media, captured in one word cloud

[pinebox]

This should worry her supporters and if she's the nominee, this is going to be a serious issue.

Hillary Clinton is getting crushed on social media, captured in one word cloud
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2015/12/01/hillary-clinton-is-getting-crushed-on-social-media-captured-in-one-word-cloud/



Above is a word cloud of all mentions related to Hillary Clinton during the month of November, through midnight Eastern time.

The graphic, via our analytics partners at Zignal Labs, does not exactly highlight the kinds of words you want to see if you work at Clinton headquarters in Brooklyn.

It’s driven by the intense dislike for Clinton by activists on the left and the right, but mainly the right. Their constant drumbeat of criticism overwhelms any positive buzz that the Democratic frontrunner gets from her fans.

One negative post on a critical, obscure web site, for instance, got mentioned more than 45,000 times on Twitter. Many of the other Clinton items mentioned most frequently link back to staunchly conservative sites.

Interesting but what's even more interesting is how this works out for Bernie Sanders. It is a complete opposite and he is seen as generally favorable.

Democratic challenger Bernie Sanders actually garnered more attention online than Clinton during the past month. The Vermont senator was mentioned more than 2.8 million times across all forms of media, compared with 2.2 million mentions for Clinton.

And the Sanders mentions tended to be more positive.

[leftofcool]

1. Who the hell cares?

Social media and some idiotic word cloud, seriously? Must be a slow news day at WaPO

[Hepburn]

3. Who the hell cares?

That's the best you can do? Well here is your answer: Who the hell cares are the voters who are going to NOT support her in the GE if unfortunately the Dems nominate her.

Next question.

[leftofcool]

109. What, you mean those few of you on DU?

Who cares!

[Fawke Em]

122. No. We mean the 46 percent of voters who are independent. eom

[JaneyVee]

131. All this shows is Republicans hate her.

Its a word cloud.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

204. No, not true. If you look at those other words at the top of the page, you'll see.

The word cloud primarily comes from the right, but some of it is from the left

[jeff47]

6. The important thing is your lawn, and the presence of those damn kids upon it. (nt)

[PowerToThePeople]

8. Rec.

[Fuddnik]

86. Hey, it's mostly weeds anyway!

[Javaman]

100. +1 nt

[randys1]

103. No, Jeff, you missed it, the exciting thing is how many Women president Cruz will kill

[jeff47]

106. Then we better elect a nominee who will actually get independents to the polls in a year.

And the OP directly addresses the problem with your candidate doing that.

So what's the plan to get Democratic-leaning independents to the polls? Remember, they aren't motivated by "Republicans bad", or they would have bothered to show up in 2010 and 2014. Heck, if that worked Obama wouldn't have lost half is popular vote margin between 2008 and 2012.

Democrats are 30% of the electorate. We won't win with 30%. You need the 20% that are Democratic-leaning independents to show up, and they will not show up for "Republicans bad". What's the plan?

[randys1]

107. The plan is to elect Bernie and if not Bernie, Hillary...it is that simple

[jeff47]

112. And what's Clinton's plan to get Democratic-leaning independents to show up

without using "Republicans bad!"?

[cui bono]

136. 9/11

.

[marble falls]

153. That!

[Scootaloo]

133. So, you feel that O'Malley or Sanders = Cruz?

[randys1]

205. ARe you doing this on purpose? Being obtuse? So you have not seen me say one thousand

times, (no exaggeration) that I support, WHOLEHEARTEDLY any and all dems?

[Scootaloo]

215. A bit quick on the draw, maybe

I've seen way too many people arguing basically that, that a vote for anyone other than Clinton is a vote for a Republican.

[Nitram]

181. Oops, another ageist dog whistle!

Those darn Baby Boomers, hogging all the wealth and power! Of course, I grew up doing nuclear attack drills in school and graduated into the oil crisis recession. Did a stint in the Peace Corps and now I'm a conservation specialist working to keep local waterways clean and clean up the Chesapeake Bay. No big bucks there, but it's good work.

[jeff47]

191. You mean like the one I replied to?

Ageism is not only against the old.

You guys did a great job with it in the 90s. So great that the vast majority of my generation abandoned politics.

We had different priorities from the Boomers and WWII Democrats. For example, student loans and high tuition are not a new problem. My generation's small size meant the party didn't bother with the effort to juggle those differences. Instead, our priorities were bargained away to show how post-partisan the party was.

But let's talk about raising the retirement age for everyone after you, again. That'll get the support of "the kids"!

[Nitram]

193. My retirement age has already gone up.

I would rather attribute the disastrous election of Reagan and both Bushes to the right wing's very clever use of wedge issues, gerrymandering, dirty tricks, and media (Fox, talk radio). While Reagan got a popular majority, the right hasn't had one since. But, you're right, quite a few baby-boomers ended up becoming conservatives. Maybe not a majority, but enough to mess things up for the rest of us. You might be surprised how many of your generation could end up being conservatives. It is disappointing how many people revert to their parents' political views once they start raising a family.

[jeff47]

196. And you think mine didn't?

If only I had organized my third grade class against the Greenspan commission!

You might be surprised how many of your generation could end up being conservatives.

I'm well aware that the older half of my generation tend to be teabaggers.

The younger half are far more liberal than your generation. And in the 90s, the party decided it didn't need us. That decision wasn't made by Reagan or the Bushes. It was made by Bill Clinton and the rest of the Democratic party. We were sacrificed in the quixotic attempt to get Republican votes.

For some reason, that has resulted in my generation not being very happy with the Democratic party. Odd, huh?

Again, ageism is not only against the old. Every time someone bitches about "the kids and their _____", that's ageism too.

[Nitram]

201. You brought up the retirement age as it applied to you. I just replied that it affects me, too.

You'd be surprised how liberal our generation actually was. But I don't mean to make this a pissing contest. I am pleased to say I never fret about "the kids today." Hated that when I was young, and would never pull that on any generation. But you are the one who alluded to old people yelling at the kids to get off the lawn. OK, you have your grievances, and so does everyone. That shouldn't prevent us working together to make things better. If we disagree on exactly how to do that, at least we don't have to be so angry about it. And we were all taken by surprise with the speed that the GOP moved ever farther rightward. My generation is guilty of being too willing to believe conservatives had the best interests of the country at heart even if we disagreed with their views. We've been disabused of that notion quite thoroughly by now, believe me.

[jeff47]

207. No, I brought up the sensible DLC proposals to raise retirement age for everyone after you.

That would not affect you.

OK, you have your grievances, and so does everyone. That shouldn't prevent us working together to make things better.

Too late. The liberal half of my generation has more-or-less abandoned politics except for a few political junkies.

And since we're about 40 now, there really isn't an easy way to get us back. Our current needs are too divergent. It's not like we're on Medicare and Social Security, nor are we paying student loans anymore. We lack a common need that could be leveraged to draw us back in. Besides, we still believe the party will negotiate away our Medicare and Social Security as they have attempted to do so many times.

Basically, GenX is a lost cause for the Democratic party now. I bring it up as a cautionary tale to not do the same thing to Millennials.

[Babel_17]

216. lol

[msanthrope]

7. It's a word cloud, dammit...a word cloud! Show some respect!nt

[JoePhilly]

11. I hear doctors are now using word clouds to cure cancer.

[msanthrope]

18. , it is how we are going to defeat Isis. nt

[JoePhilly]

20. ... and replace fossil fuels. nt

[roguevalley]

49. that's 2.8 million people saying good things about him to 300 million people out there. It is

important. of course, if it were reversed you would admit it. I remember being in the camp of smaller less beloved candidates than bernie and feeling the burn. your snorting about how this doesn't matter (because it isn't your candidate, your only caveat) is familiar to me. Bernie is going to win this slagger because of this and a word cloud is a signal to Clinton that she is the one facing an uphill batter because these are those that HAVEN'T been reached by pollsters. But whatever gets you through your days, pal.

[JoePhilly]

88. Not happening.

The field of social psychology is pretty clear on the relationship between attitudes and predicting behavior associated with those attitudes.

If you want to use measures of attitude to predict behavior, you have to ask questions about a person's attitude towards performing the specific behavior in question.

Abstract attitudes, which is what a word cloud measures (and that's if I'm generous), have no ability to predict a subsequent behavior, like voting.

Election polls however, focus on asking people about their attitude towards performing a specific behavior (that behavior being voting).

If you want to learn more about what I'm describing, look into the Theory of Reasoned Action. Its one of the most complete and well studied theories in the social sciences.

As an aside ... my PhD is in Experimental Psychology ... and so my "snorting" at the silliness of the use of word clouds here has nothing to do with my preferred candidate, and everything to do with what I know about the relationship between attitudes and the extent to which those can be used to predict human behavior.

[Fawke Em]

123. Well, I work in public relations and know that these word clouds

ARE indicative of what people are saying and/or thinking.

And, while, you're right, these clouds don't indicate whether the people discussing the candidates will vote for either one, the fact is that some of these social media conversations are by people who will vote.

It's about perception and the perception is that Clinton is a liar and Sanders is not.

[JoePhilly]

132. The main problem with your analysis (and there are a number of them) ...

... is that there is no way to know which groups are dominating the discussion.

For all you know, most of that chatter is from RWers talking to other RWers on RW web sites.

And that's all it is, chatter.

A vote is a choice. Its a choice between two specific alternatives. A choice that one must act on for it to have any relevance.

The important "perception" is the one in which Democrats who say that they are likely to vote (specific action) say they are going to perform that specific action, and vote for Hillary by a margin of somewhere between 15-30% over Bernie.

People say all kinds of things that are "associated" with their attitudes, and yet many of those things are not predictive of how those people will ACT in the slightest.

The fact that "some of them will vote" is statistically speaking, irrelevant.

[FSogol]

78. Right now a word cloud is raking my leaves!

[rbrnmw]

127. can you send it over to my place next?

my yard looks rough

[Laser102]

134. LOL! That's some cloud.

[JoePhilly]

154. They make great baby sitters too ...

... kids stare at them for hours and hours.

[Android3.14]

53. Ethical and informed voters care

That's who.

[kristopher]

75. I was going to say "anyone who isn't an idiot", but I like your answer better. nt

[leftofcool]

110. LMAO!

[sleepyvoter]

67. "The revolution will not be televised"

[Ned_Devine]

83. Once again, one of you managed to be the first post in a Bernie thread. You're all well trained.

[rhett o rick]

140. He isn't the only one of them doing this. It is most likely a new tactic. The #1 response slot

is the best for high-jacking a thread.

[JDPriestly]

104. Negative associations with Hillary are what will cause her to lose the 2016 election.

The favorables that Bernie has make him a viable candidate.

That's why we Democrats should all care.

The negative associations in the subconscious and conscious minds of voters will make voters susceptible to and cause them to believe in the last minute scandals that, whether true in substance or not, will very possibly prevent Hillary from winning in November 2016.

People in general, and young voters in particular, do not trust Hillary. She constantly changes her stances on important issues like gay marriage. She seems so completely unprincipled and just personally ambitious. It may seem unfair to you, but that word cloud shows what the majority of people who think about her say about her.

It literally reflects the words that people use in conjunction with Hillary's name.

Hillary supporters should be very worried about that.

Contrast with Bernie's cloud. He is not as well known, but what people are doing is watching his videos on YouTube, and the words they use in conjunction with him suggest that they like what they see.

In my personal campaign experiences, campaigning for Bernie, I find exactly the same responses from the voters I talk to.

I cannot figure out what the polls that show Hillary winning are about. Who in the world are they asking? Certainly not the people I meet wherever I go. Everybody loves Bernie. The worst they can say about him is that he does not have a chance to win and he needs different hair. Those are about the most superficial, unimportant negatives you can have.

On the other hand, Hillary has so, so, so many negatives. And the e-mail problem may be really a harmless one technically. And all other secretaries of state may have had private e-mail servers. But it makes Hillary look sneaky and untrustworthy.

As do so many of her other activities.

And then, why DID she leave the State Department? I've been wondering about that. Petraeus was replaced around the same time. Was there some problem there? Was there some difference on policy? If so, what? Was Hillary fired? The word map suggests that a lot of people think so.

And Libya. That was Hillary's victory. Now, we read that it is full of ISIS supporters. What kind of judgment does Hillary have on foreign policy? Experience is nothing. In fact it is dangerous in the absence of good judgment. I question Hillary's judgment and integrity. The word map shows that a lot of other people do to.

And I am a lifelong Democrat. But Hillary?

[Fearless]

120. Evidently you do.

[rhett o rick]

139. And one more time a HRC supporter gets the #1 response slot. It must take some dedication

to watch closely and hit the response button before anyone else. Too bad you don't have anything worthwhile to say.

[Jester Messiah]

210. I do. And I am not alone.

In fact, I think it's pretty clear that I'm in good company.

[lewebley3]

212. Agreed: The Social media is also hosting the Grazy GOP, and Trump

[ChairmanAgnostic]

2. I wonder if the powers that be in the Party realize

what a cluster faux her nomination might be. Especially with cruz missile, or a rube, or a really nasty bridge player who always plays trump.

[Hepburn]

5. Hillary IMO will lose the GE.

Is she is the Dem nom, we say, "Hello" to one of the oafs running for the GOP nom as our next POTUS.

Some just don't see how pervasive the dislike is for Hillary Clinton.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

12. ewe betcha.

Yet we are attacked as being hillarian haters just for pointing out the truth.

[nxylas]

15. More like being set up to take the rap

Just as the loss of the Vietnam wa...sorry, police action was the fault of those damn hippies refusing to clap their hands and say "I believe in America", Hillary's loss will be blamed on the Berniebros not being sufficiently motivated to get up off their asses and vote for a candidate whose campaign slogan is "Not as bad as Donald Trump".

[Fawke Em]

125. The left always takes the rap.

It's never the fault of the Dem establishment who keeps sending out Third Way milquetoast candidates. The left has bruises on their noses from having to pinch them so often. I think this time, many will just be in too much pain to clinch it once more.

[MissDeeds]

16. Yep

Just amazing some can't realize that.

[LiberalArkie]

36. Which in of itself might kill the GOP once and for all.

[truedelphi]

58. And there is a major movie coming out this year about the Benghazi cluster fuck

Granted the same cluster fuck would have happened under the Republicans, but the movie will use its slant to emphasize that Hillary is Bad Bad Bad and uncaring abut the people left in the wake of that tragedy.

[Jester Messiah]

211. That seems pretty obvious.

Meanwhile Bernie stomps all the republicans in every projected match-up. I don't think Hillary is worth the risk, especially not given her history and associations.

[Doctor_J]

35. they'll get rich and still go to the same expensive restaurants, they don't care

Meanwhile pissing off the Clintons would be a bad career move.

[SammyWinstonJack]

145. Maybe that's the plan. It's a realization for some.

Can't let that socialist Wall Street hater near the WH.

[UglyGreed]

4. Kick

& R

[JoePhilly]

9. Polls are so 1900s ... its all about WORD CLOUDS now!!

[pinebox]

23. Laugh away

but it is what it is and Hillary is seen as a negative by the majority of American's and this only serves to illustrate that. It is what it is.
It's funny how you guys laugh and hate on Bernie supporters who point out truth.

[Trajan]

24. I think Hillary and her supporters do quite well

With their cuneiform polls ...

Except when they break and somebody mixes them up ... Cuneiform disaster in the making ...

[Amimnoch]

46. Damn Joe, you too, my Thunder...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html

Poor Burnie done peaked back in October. Reality is rough.

[pinebox]

71. Now let's back up my OP

[kristopher]

97. Two things about those polls that should worry you.

First is the sample size - all are lower than you would want if you're looking for some degree of certainty in the results.

Given the known problems with polling cell phones and the way Bernie's base extends outside of either paradigm, the second would be the registered voter/likely voter qualifiers.

The failure of those qualifiers to qualify the polled, together with the persistent problems related to reaching people in the modern world, means we have an almost surefire tip-off that the results aren't representative of what we are seeking to measure.

I know a lot of poll bashing goes on, but those points are legitimate.

[leftofcool]

111. ROFLMAO!

[Sunlei]

208. RW loved the polls until they got Trumped. They never expected single diget 'favorites'.

Republicans did expect 'help' from many Ds with their anti-Mrs. Clinton campaigns (and help with RW anti-Obama too) Ds haven't disappointed.

Republicans have had many years to perfect the anti-Hillary, and then the anti-Obama ramped up to historic levels soon as he won the primary.

I don't think Republicans expected Obama to have so much Grace Under Pressure. I really like Senator Sanders a lot, he has said those words for decades and decades.

IMO, if/when republicans turn that level of "anti", the level Mrs. Clinton and President Obama have 'endured' for years from Republicans, onto Senator Sanders-he will be crushed by RW.

[onehandle]

10. FEEL THE CLICKY-CLICKY!

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[riversedge]

14. Sanders fans have been bragging they own social media, yet Hillary is winning.

[pinebox]

22. You're missing the point of the article

Most of America uses social media. Hillary's word cloud is astounding negative. This isn't boding well for her in how American's see her and you need to look past primaries and into the real race, the general. The primary is only the battle, the real war is against a Republican candidate and with Hillary seen as a negative in terms of how people see her, she has to do something to convince people that she isn't as bad as what people all over saying that.
She faces THAT very challenge.

[Nitram]

29. Maybe Clinton supporters are loath to inflict hundreds of pro-Clinton memes on their...

...friends and family on a daily basis. I definitely can't say the same for Bernistas.

[roguevalley]

54. maybe clintonistas live in the dark ages and don't understand how social media drives opinion

they will find out soon

[Nitram]

62. Ha, ha, I love the ageism you Bernistas keep slinging our way.

Ironic, isn't it, consedering Bernie's age.

[nyabingi]

95. I think Hillary's ideas and philosophy are what

could be considered old.

[redstateblues]

183. Socialism is so now and hip

Word cloud? It's right in there with online polls.

[Fawke Em]

126. No one said anything about age.

"Living in the dark ages" simply means "behind the times." You can be backward and not be old. Hell, look at young Republicans and Third Way sycophants.

[Nitram]

161. Ever heard of a "dog whistle"? nt

[leftofcool]

113. Actually, we are all out campaigning, getting out the vote etc.............

[Skidmore]

55. Well, come on now.

My social media is spammed continually by Sanders' supporters to the point that I don't even follow some of them anymore and I've set filters to close down some of the more prolific sources of Sanders spam. Nothing new, just the same stuff churned out over and over again and endless memes and articles from the same sources--all negative about Hillary and effusively glowing about Sanders. Not much directed toward the Republicans, who I consider to be the real enemy in this grand passion play. Oh, I've tuned out the babble long ago. We've been exposed to ads and BS and rallies here for a solid year now. Made up my mind around September and I don't anticipate changing it.

[Autumn]

138. Your social media, is it FaceBook?

[pinebox]

156. You caught that too, eh?

I'm calling horseshit. Nobody says "my social media", that's akin to "the Google". A non user posing as one.

[Autumn]

185. That's a heck of an inadvertent statement. It reads to me everybody the poster

knows is for Bernie, no matter if it's FB or twitter or whatever social media there is. There was another poster on a Hillary site that was complaining that too many people were supporting Bernie on their FB.

[pinebox]

19. Ok honestly

Do you not feel that how people perceive her is a real problem for your candidate because I'm quite serious. If this was Bernie, I would be damn worried.

As far as "clickie clickie" goes, why not address the issue at hand and state what you think she has to do to change her perception with the general public?

[roguevalley]

56. she can't change anything, only make it worse. Like defending her wall streetness while saying the

people owning her don't own her. Any other candidate and the Hillarians would be all over them for the same things.

[Nitram]

68. Her perception with the general public is doing great, Pine.

That's why she's so far ahead in all the legitimate polls. Bernie does better on those extremely scientific online polls though. That's because technology savvy Bernistas know how to vote more than once.

[pinebox]

76. Actually her public perception is pretty bad

[Agschmid]

143. You realize you are posting a poll right?

You discredit polls, but then use a poll to show her favorable rating.

It really seems counter intuitive...

[riversedge]

13. Wise voters still keeping her polling up. They know better than to listen or read lies,

distortions and smears.

[pinebox]

21. Wise voters however

are obviously a minority and a rather large minority at that. W was elected twice, remember that.
Most people don't hang out on political forums, us here are the few and we're effectively in a bubble. The American populace on the other hand sees her as very unfavorable and that is something she's going to have to work on if she doesn't want to lose in a general.

[ibegurpard]

34. Not sure what's the worse prospect

That the clueless people pushing her so relentlessly actually think she has no problems or that they know it and just don't care.

[SammyWinstonJack]

146. That they know and don't care is far worse.

[Kalidurga]

43. Most people don't hang out on political forums,

If they did then the polls would look a lot more like the DU polls between Bernie and Hillary. I doubt it would be 80% for Bernie, but it would be far north of 50%.

[WillyT]

17. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[zappaman]

25. ok. n/t

[retrowire]

32. alright. nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

206. And this is the space where I'd find something snarky & hurtful to say about WillyT.

Oh wait, I'm not a dickhead. Nevermind.

[Betty Karlson]

26. K&R. eom

[FloridaBlues]

27. I rather get crushed on Facebook than in national polling !

[pinebox]

48. However

What is the real pulse? You have to remember that this actually isn't polling but aggregation of what words are used most when describing a candidate across social media platforms. This is actually a better glimpse into things and involves literally millions of people. This isn't a poll of 700 likely voters. It's what is being said about 2 candidates.

[Nitram]

28. Just another result of over-enthusiastic Bernistas constantly posting their...

...anti-Clinton smears on their FB pages. Makes up in quantity what it lacks in quality. But Facebook is, of course, the final arbiter in all political races.

[roguevalley]

59. anti clinton smears -- truth and facts that stick sideways in some people's craws

[pinebox]

162. The new meme of the week--Facts are now Hillary smears!

[Nitram]

176. To which "fact" are you refering? A word cloud? nt

[SoapBox]

65. Uh huh...

Just keep up that endless denial...hoping her campaign does the same.

[retrowire]

30. Hey look

It's a type of data analysis that excludes no one!

Take that, corporate owned polls and paid pundits.

[upaloopa]

39. Doesn't include everyone either

Any port in a storm I guess

[retrowire]

52. sorry

all demographics.

my bad. lol

[Nitram]

31. Can enyone tell me why FIRED is so big in Clinton's cloud? nt

[TM99]

47. Clinton was 'fired' upon by snipers in Bosnia

of course!

[Nitram]

60. Ah, yes.

Caught in a tall tale.

[TM99]

80. A hell of a lie indeed. n/t

[R B Garr]

105. And about 15 or 20 MILLION voted for her at

least three times after that, 2 Senate elections and 1 Dem Primary election, so what a worthless thing to waste your energy on.

[Nitram]

157. It must be Republicans and Bernie supporters who would be trying to keep old news alive...

...that placed FIRED at that frequency of use. Politics to make strange bed fellows.

[MineralMan]

33. Word clouds are created by looking at some text.

Nowhere do I see what content was used to create either of these word clouds. So, what was the content the word clouds are based on?

I use word clouds extensively to look at the content I write for websites. It helps me to analyze how effective the SEO is for that content. The word cloud depends on the content I provide to the software that generates the cloud. Without knowing what content was used, this is ridiculous.

So, what content was analyzed? Tell me that and I'll know how the cloud was generated.

[JTFrog]

40. A bunch of staunchly conservative sites according to the article.

One negative post on a critical, obscure web site, for instance, got mentioned more than 45,000 times on Twitter. Many of the other Clinton items mentioned most frequently link back to staunchly conservative sites.

I must say I'm shocked considering who posted the OP...

or not.

[MineralMan]

45. Ah. I see. Useless.

Things like this are so transparently biased that it's a wonder people post them at all.

Word clouds are cool. I love them. I use them all the time, but to analyze specific text samples. I can tell from them if the words I'm using are going to be effective at what I'm writing to do. It's a check I do, along with readability analysis, etc., to keep my writing on track for my client.

For every web site I write, I consider demographics, reading levels and a wide range of other factors, along with SEO requirements and much more. Word clouds are useful for that. They're worthless if fed worthless, biased text. For that, they're meaningless.

[LiberalArkie]

42. The input came from Twitter feeds during the month of November.

[MineralMan]

51. All of Twitter, do you suppose?

I'm guessing it was just a few Twitter feeds that were analyzed for that month. Useless. Completely useless. Meaningless, too.

[LiberalArkie]

74. That is a fairly large analytics company doing that for some big companies

Of course I would expect Bernie to be trending favorably right now with his large gatherings. People just wanting to know about him and people tweeting each other about him. And at the same time people feel like they know about HRC and would not be tweeting favorably about her.

Now the question is: what will the trend be? After people have gotten used to Bernie, will his trending start to taper off, will it appear the same as HRC's? Just have to stay tuned.

[upaloopa]

37. What Bernie folks do on social media doesn't

worry me. Just like click bait polls

[pinebox]

57. Not a poll

I highly suggest you familiarize yourself about word clouds and how they work. They are a valuable tool for ALL political campaigns.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/d-brad-wright/obamas-town-hall-language_b_261391.html

[FSogol]

70. Just ask Ron and Rand Paul!

[pinebox]

79. Just ask HuffPo!

[FSogol]

84. Huffpost is a joke. Nothing more than clickbait and celebrity news by unpaid "writers."

It is sad you respect it and its news-like opinions.

[pinebox]

94. So new meme of the week is now HuffPo is a joke

Got it. Facts be damed!

[FSogol]

99. That's not a meme, it is my opinion. Huffpost is a joke. Taking it seriously is a mistake. n/t

[pinebox]

150. So honest question

Who do you take as serious?
Blog exchange time! XD

[Nitram]

77. Pine, they are valuable only if the sample is taken in a scientific manner.

Exactly which Twitter feeds were analyzed for this word cloud?

[pinebox]

81. It's aggregation

across twitter. This is how word clouds work. It's covers all of twitter.
Here is another one done by Gallup on twitter during August https://twitter.com/michaelcshort/status/644207235397234688

[Nitram]

158. And Zignal Labs was founded by republican political operative Josh Ginsburg. nt

[pinebox]

160. And? Ben Coffey Clark works for Zignal.

Do you know who Ben Coffee Clark is?
He served as a Get Out The Vote coordinator for southeastern Ohio for President Obama’s 2008 campaign and got his start in Iowa working for Howard Dean in the 2004 primary. He spent the reminder of the cycle with the Running for Change Political Action Committee, a Web-based grassroots PAC that raised over a million dollars on behalf of John Kerry. Since then, he has played a role in several high profile campaigns including Rahm Emanuel’s recent mayoral campaign.

I just crushed your tinfoil.


Do you understand how these things work? It's not a poll, remember that. It has to do with SEO and what not. Here, look at this http://zignallabs.com/recap-five-facts-about-five-races-the-battle-for-the-u-s-senate/

You may find this thread from 2012 on DU rather interesting about the debates between Obama and Romney http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021468244

Understand that Zignal Labs is one of the highest trusted organizations with some massive clients and keep in mind, the article was published in WaPo, a left leaning news source which offsets your "Republican" comment.

[Nitram]

163. You "just crushed my tinfoil?" Can't you have a reasonable discussion without...

...the macho chest-pounding? I appreciate your bringing that to my attention, but the signal gets lost in the noize when you make it personal and ad hominem. As for the Post, I'm a long-time subscriber, and while the Post has some liberal editors, it also has conservative ones. I thought only the right wing classified the Post as a liberal newspaper (not implying you are right wing).

[pinebox]

180. Yawn

Speak for yourself with pointing out "the guy is a Republican who founded things, he must be biased". Because nobody in this day and age can separate their political beliefs from business? I do it on a daily basis and I never discuss politics in a business related atmosphere, ever. I was brought up with the belief instill in me that said there's 3 things you don't discuss in public;

Sex
religion
politics

It's gets tiring when one presents facts and HRC supporters scream "OMG a smear". Although it's rather funny.

[Nitram]

182. Yawn? You sound more angry than bored. I looked up Josh Ginsberg and posted what I found.

I considered your counter-post helpful and am happy to re-consider my bias. But back to the post you haven't addressed. what's with the chest-thumping anger?

[pinebox]

184. I'm too tired to be angry

Nobody is chest pumping and right now I'm not awake enough to really care much. Pass the coffee.

[redstateblues]

194. The Josh Ginsberg guy is a Republican activist.

This word cloud thing is ridiculous-The Republicans fear Hillary and they help pump these things up. Bernie's supporters get sucked into thinking this anti Hillary stuff is all them and not RW driven. Sad really.

[Mike Nelson]

38. I had not seen them...

...they look fake, to me. "Fired" for Hillary... no "feel the Bern!" or "socialist" on top for Bernie...

[roguevalley]

61. commie isn't there though I am sure plenty have tried to make it so.

[Nitram]

164. My reaction precisely.

Looks like a cooked-up propaganda piece with "unethical behavior" highlighted in the middle. Why would "behavior" be so frequently used? Very fishy.

[NoMoreRepugs]

41. IMO there is no overwhelming number of people voicing a negative opinion of HRC

"...It’s driven by the intense dislike for Clinton by activists on the left and the right, but mainly the right. Their constant drumbeat of criticism overwhelms any positive buzz that the Democratic front-runner gets from her fans. "

IMO it's being techno-driven by some of the 100's of millions of dollars collected and being spent to discredit her - plain and simple. I've seen first hand what frequency trading firms can do to the market with their algorithms - sorry, naysayers - I have to believe the same is being done here

[roguevalley]

64. if this encompasses all of twitter for a month, this isn't limited to activists.

It includes all twitter traffic. i am unclear how it could be limited to specific groups otherwise.

[Nitram]

189. The OP explains that the tweets frequently link back to [articles on]...

"...staunchly conservative sites." Clearly the traffic analyzed is dominated by right wing talking points.

[Gman]

44. The right wing and Sanders supporters together

Generate this. It means nothing.

[pinebox]

63. So let me get this straight

This was generated by the RW.....did Obama use the same tactics too? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/d-brad-wright/obamas-town-hall-language_b_261391.html

Sorry, Hillary's favorability numbers are underwater and this only illustrates that.

[Nitram]

165. The right wing and Bernistas both hate Clinton and want Bernie to be the nominee.

Politics makes strange bedfellows.

[pinebox]

170. Especially when those on the right

helped get Bernie elected in VT and #FeelTheBern has crossover appeal.
See, you should be concerned about this because Hillary doesn't have that appeal.
It is what it is.

Republicans are salivating at the thought of a Hillary coronation because they have over 30 years worth of crap to drag out on her. She'll make the GOP base show up in droves in record numbers if she's the nominee. Bookmark this and come back to me in 9 months if she's the nominee. DO IT.

[Nitram]

172. They have no more crap to pull out on Clinton.

They've been slinging it for 30 years, and they will for 30 more, with diminishing returns because it is all so transparently crap and old hat. What is disturbing to me is the way Bernie supporters are using right-wing talking points about Clinton to tear her down and build Bernie up.

[pinebox]

195. Which RW talking points are Bernie supporters using?

[Nitram]

198. FIRED, LIES, UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR, CORRUPTION, PIZZA

Except for that last one.

[pinebox]

200. I don't see that as RW talking points, sorry

Lies and fired? What's Bosnian sniper fire?
Corruption? Unethical behavior? I could list 10 but I won't in regards to TOS. I'm sure you'll know what I'll bring up too.
Pizza? Chicago stuffed please.

[Nitram]

202. Making those the central talking points about Clinton is indeed the RW POV.

She is a great deal more than that, and has always been a liberal with the best interests of the people at the top of her agenda. But the RW propaganda machine has tainted her by drowning out the good she has done and plans to do.

[SoapBox]

69. Gee...there is a scientific explanation!

[Gman]

91. It sure isn't rocket science

[Darb]

50. As ridiculously obsessed as the Baggers and the Berners are with Hillary hate,

I have no doubt that there would be a cloud like that.

Perhaps you need a unicorn picture? Where is my unicorn picture?

[pinebox]

66. Like this?

LOL Happy now Ask and you shall receive!

?imageId=22063796

[Darb]

87. That'll do.

Enjoy Berners!

[Beacool]

118. Damn, I should start looking up unicorns.

[pinebox]

149. lol

I'm glad you found it funny. Someone didn't and alerted my post lol I had to snicker at that XD

[FSogol]

73. Wonder what the Free Republic word cloud would look like?

or Briebarts?

[Darb]

89. For Hillary, identical. For Bernie, not so much.

Weird how that works.

[FSogol]

90. Yup, major co-winky-dink.

[dawnie51]

72. I will vote for the Democratic candidate.....

whomever it is. But I am really getting sick of the Sanders acolytes on here and their constant barrage of negativity concerning HRC. They might as well be tea baggers. Relentless bashing of Clinton. She is not a saint, but she is oceans better than the best Republican. I wish they would grow up; support your guy, he's terrific. I would vote for Bernie in a heartbeat. You don't have to shore Bernie up by tearing another Democrat down. It is beneath us.

[pinebox]

82. Right because...

that doesn't go both ways does it now?

[MissDeeds]

114. Funny how that works isn't it?

The rules apply to the Bernie camp, the Hillary camp...not so much. I think we all know the horrible things that have been said about Bernie's supporters.

If HRC is catching flack, it's her own fault; death by a thousand self inflicted cuts.

[Nitram]

166. I guess it depends on where you're sitting.

My impression is that the Bernistas are the vindictive ones constantly slinging really vile mud at Clinton. I suspect (and hope) that the mud slinging on both sides is limited to a very vocal minority.

[FSogol]

85. Well said, Dawnie. n/t

[frylock]

93. Fresh take.

[lunamagica]

98. +1

[DFW]

101. So will I, but keep in mind:

"Get a life" is not enforceable in a court of law. Some people really and truly have nothing else to do.

Bernie is fine, I may yet give him my vote in the Texas primary. I am waiting to hear some more on foreign policy and taxation of Americans abroad from both him and Hillary. But what I refuse to do is let the obsessed on this site influence me one way or the other. If I did that, I'd be so consumed with absorbed rage that my blood pressure would have burst every vessel in my circulatory system.

[Beacool]

117. Hear, hear!!!

[Jester Messiah]

213. Ooh, is it "loyalty oath" time? I do so love those. [nt]

[NCTraveler]

92. I'm scared of the cloud!!

Is that from du alone?

[Nitram]

167. One doesn't have to be scared to be dubious.

The Clinton word cloud is just too perfectly and conveniently focused to my mind.

[workinclasszero]

96. Now that it's clear that Bernie is a spent force

his followers desperately flay around trying to wound Hillary anyway they can.

Tell me, how much of the word cloud BS translates into votes eh? What a joke.

That's right up there with online polls!

[roguevalley]

144. this is so laughable. truly

[randys1]

102. Karl Rove is a genius

a prick too, but a genius

[wouldsman]

108. Where is "cut it out"

in the word cloud of Clinton's?
I like that "sweater" is in Sander's cloud. Makes me feel warm and cozy.

[Beacool]

115. Democrats shouldn't nominate Hillary due to an unfavorable word cloud??????

This place has definitely gone down a rabbit hole.

[oberliner]

116. Yes, Republicans really do hate Hillary with an insane intensity

They are hell bent in doing anything they can to make sure a Republican beats her in November, should she get the nomination. Hopefully we can stop them from doing so!

[Nitram]

168. The problem is that Bernie supporters are feeding the same anti-Clinton frenzy.

With friends like that...

[oberliner]

186. It's just a drop in the ocean

The Republicans have been hating on her for over twenty years now.

My hope is that all Democrats will rally behind her if she gets the nomination.

[Nitram]

187. You and me both.

I shouldn't take discussions on DU to reflect what's going on with the majority of the electorate out there.

[MaggieD]

121. No one gives a crap

But Bernie can be president of the internet if you'd like. I'd vote for him for that. LOL!

[Logical]

135. Well,apparently a lot of people, including you, give a crap! You bumped this post! LOL! nt

[ibegurpard]

124. boy this one sure caused some butthurt

Wonder why?

[Nitram]

173. Because it was clearly designed to cause butthurt. nt

[DCBob]

128. Tweeted to death... Facebooked to the ground.. Clickety clicked to oblivion!

[840high]

129. That's kind - compared to the

comments about her on DailyMail.

[Andy823]

130. This is interesting

"It’s driven by the intense dislike for Clinton by activists on the left and the right, but mainly the right."

I assume that "activists on the left" would be people like you and the others here on DU who daily post negative things. I would also assume that all the usual "anti Obama haters" are also part of that group. So tell me how does it feel the be part of a group that is mostly, as the article says, driven by the right wing nut jobs?

[senz]

147. You should reexamine your assumptions.

There are many of us who have been and remain strong Obama supporters.

As for people's attitudes toward Hillary, you can blame the people or you can ask what there is about Hillary that turns so many people off. (Hint: it's not her gender.)

[Nitram]

169. Hint: it's not her life-long dedication to liberal causes.

Supporting unions, worker's rights, minority rights, health care...

[senz]

174. Hillary supports "liberal" causes ONLY when she's running in a primary.

The rest of the time she's making big bucks giving little boutique speeches to one-percenters and then hobnobbing with them socially.

She's far more Republican than Democrat. Time to take off your rose-colored glasses.

[Nitram]

188. You've expressed an extremely narow and totally innacurate view of Clinton.

Time to take off your dark glasses and learn a little more about a woman who has dedicated her life to liberal causes in the face of withering attacks from the right (and now ya'll).

[senz]

190. There's a reason why we gave Obama the nomination in 2008.

Hillary doesn't seem to have improved over the ensuing years. And that's not a "rightwing" attitude.

[Nitram]

192. I disagree. Clinton's performance at State, and her partnership with Obama...

...proved that she has matured and perhaps mellowed with age. She handled herself well, and got great reviews from those who served with her at State.

[senz]

148. You should reexamine your assumptions.

There are many of us who have been and remain strong Obama supporters.

As for people's attitudes toward Hillary, you can blame the people or you can ask what there is about Hillary that turns so many people off. (Hint: it's not her gender.)

[Andy823]

217. I will accept that

I know there are "real" supporters of Bernie' here, and I applaud them for coming here and not bashing day in and day out. However you have to admit there has been a group of anti Obama supporters here for a long time, and the number has grown. I have seen pretty much the exact same posters who trashed President Obama now bashing Hillary, and a lot of new bashers have joined them. Those are the ones that bother the hell out of me. They have been dividing the board for a long time. I have even seen other Bernie supporters try and reason with some of their insanity, but it does no good try and talk to them. They keep stiring up things and dividing the board.

I am not a Hillary supporter, and if people want to post facts, I have no problem, but come on, some of the shit that gets posted should never be allowed, it's just made up shit that is basically flame bait.

[senz]

224. I know what you mean.

I deal with them, too. The difference, I think, is that you see anti-Obama commenters as intentionally divisive, while I see them as black-and-white thinkers who, imo, cannot grasp the fact that the president is not all-powerful and is subject to pressures from various interested parties. In other words, I consider them properly idealistic but hopelessly naive about the workings of the world.

But criticism of Hillary is justified, as she is currently a candidate, which means that we, the voters, have every right to examine her and weigh her pros and cons as loudly and vociferously as we please. This, primary season, is not the time to shut our mouths and make nice. Democracy is messy and boisterous by nature.

As you can probably figure out, I think Hillary would be wrong for the presidency and, for the sake of this country and its people, hope she does not get the Democratic nomination.

[Andy823]

225. Again I can agree

Some of those anti Obama commenters are as you say, unable to grasp what it is like to be the president and that he can not do everything on his own. Yet there are some who only post to divide, and they do a good job of rallying those "others" who don't understand things to their point of view. Comments like "both parties are the same so why vote", or Obama is republican light and works for the corporations, and recently we had someone actually promoting Bernie supporters to hold protests at a Hillary gathering. There are a lot more "obvious" post from pretty much the same crowd that are not just the rantings of those who can't understand things, but from those who have an agenda to disrupt and cause problems.

Now I myself thing that O'Malley would be the best choice, but when all is said and done, it's the one who gets the nomination that I will vote for come the general election. If O'Malley drops out, Bernie is my second choice, but I will not refuse to vote for whoever does win just because my guy lost. One thing I know for sure is any of the three we have will be a million times better than any of the "clowns" in the GOP clown car. The goal come November 2016 is to make sure there is NO republican winning the WH, and that we can take back as many seats in congress as possible. The only way to do that is to get out an vote.

[pinebox]

151. Well if you must know Andy823

I'll explain to you.

I don't "hate" anybody but personally from my POV, I do dislike Hillary and the reasons could go into the hundreds. I don't see her as being an honest person and I'm sorry but when someone has to lie (and it was a lie) about ducking sniper fire and going ahead and supporting issues which I personally find were incredibly wrong, like Iraq for instance where I lost 3 friends, yeah, not supporting that. I also find her sand castle stances on issues to be rather not so comforting. With your candidate and with Sanders, you know EXACTLY where they stand and where they're coming from.

As far as how it feels to be in the same camp? There's common issues we can come together together on and it's time we brought that feeling of "we're all American's" back into the fold. See Bernie working with McCain on veteran's issues as an example.

Some people won't admit that but there are common beliefs but nobody wants to put their big boy pants on and stick their nose to the grindstone to get shit done, sadly.

[Andy823]

219. So if you don't hate her

Why not post all the great things about Bernie instead of bashing the other candidate? There is a group here on DU that have made it their goal to trash president Obama, and now have decided to do the same with Hillary. I haves no problem with posting things that are facts, but I do have a problem with posters who post BS day in and day out a out any of the candidates. Some her just make shit up and post it, but never respond when others ask for "proof" of that they have posted. As for this "word cloud" thing it's just another nothing post designed to say "may guy is great, but nobody like your gal"!

You like Bernie then tell everyone why he should be the nominee, not why the "other" candidates should not be.

[hay rick]

137. I'm a Bernie supporter but I think this is meaningless.

Intense right-wing Hillary haters can make an infinite number of anti-Hillary posts but they still only get one vote.

[rhett o rick]

141. I see this as the last real chance we will have to make inroads into regaining our

democracy. The nomination of HRC will split our party more into the Progressive Wing that has been totally disenfranchised from the corp-sponsored Conservative Wing. Peoples lives depend on us getting big money out of politics and HRC won't do that.

50,000,000 Americans living in poverty and that will continue to grow if we continue with the Status quo represented by HRC/Goldman-Sachs.

[Nitram]

171. Weak minds and low-information voters can be persuaded by the volume of crap they read online.

Constantly repeating the same POV can influence voters. As can a bogus word cloud tailored to make Clinton look bad.

[senz]

177. Don't worry. Hill's got the MSM all tied up.

That and a huge pot of money and intimidated Democratic politicians. Doesn't matter that she could care less about the people. She wants to force her way into the presidency.

[Nitram]

179. I've seen as many anti-Clinton or neutral articles in the Post as I've seen pro-Clinton ones.

Same for NPR. You sound rather like the right wing complaining that all the media are liberal. Clinton has cared about people all her life. It is no sin to campaign as hard as you can for the presidency. So far it looks like Clinton and Bernie are tied when it comes to the little barbs they are throwing at each other. She knows she can't "force her way" into the presidency. It will take clear persuasion and a cool head to survive the nomination process and the general election.

[gordyfl]

142. It Makes You Think

When was the last time a presidential candidate whose traits voters think of as "unethical behavior" and "lies" won the presidency?

[Divernan]

152. Not to mention "fired" as one of her 4 most frequent identifying terms.

Last edited Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:27 AM - Edit history (1)

I immediately thought of the ignominious circumstances under which she departed her job as an investigator for the Watergate committee, re her removing/hiding files relevant to and establishing precedent for Nixon's right to legal representation.

If anyone has any other explanation for the presence of the word "fired" as 1 of the 4 most frequent descriptive terms, along with "unethical", "behavior", and "lies", please share that explanation.

She was targeted re this incident in 2008, and it's still out there, in those clouds the Hill supporters are studiously ignoring, and positioned to be thrown at her if she is the candidate.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/252624

scheme to deny Richard Nixon the right to counsel during the investigation by stealing Judiciary Committee files on the only precedent case that could have stonewalled their plot and drafting a legal brief that, according to Mr. Ziefman, "was so fraudulent and ridiculous Hillary would have been disbarred if she had submitted it to a judge."

[wolfie001]

155. Republican dog whistles

same thing

[Blunt Force Karma]

159. The Sky is Falling

Seems like much ado about nothing.

[randome]

175. Yay! Let's hope we can take down MORE Democrats! If we wish really hard...

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

[brooklynite]

178. Well! Good thing she's leading in that whole "who are you going to vote for" thing...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251865251

[Sunlei]

197. Mention any 'words' in news stories/across social media and the 'words' make the top list cloud.

search those 'words' and it's so freaking easy to see exactly who pushes those 'words'.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/02/25/hillary-fired-lies-unethical-behavior-congressional-job-former-boss

[pinebox]

199. So it's a trap?

That would depend on "which" version of "fired" we're talking about wouldn't it now? https://goo.gl/GeghS0
Let's take a look a word cloud from May of this year from Hillary shall we?
Now what.

[Sunlei]

203. It's a media tactic and republicans are very good at their 'craft'.They like polls too until Trump

I think Senator Sanders should push into the word cloud with a million tweets he is Anti-War

[pinebox]

222. I'm not too sure about that

Considering that every political campaign under the sun uses SEO to see what the perception is by and large of their candidate

[Thinkingabout]

209. No substance here, we have this porpaganda on regular basis, just more

Water running off of a ducks back. Does these post change my mind, hell no, I still support the most qualified candidate Hillary Clinton.

[Tarc]

214. "...most frequently link back to staunchly conservative sites"

The Sanders Fans are playing their last ace up the sleeve; carrying water for the wingnut right.

What next? Travelgate? Whitewater? The Clinton Murder List?

[pinebox]

221. We are?

can you explain please? Thank you.

[Beacool]

226. Lately, a lot of the posts on this site smell of desperation.

If they can't win votes by persuasion, they'll try to do it by fear.

Pretty lame, if you ask me.

[riversedge]

218. more importantly, Hillary's fav with Dems is 85, vs in 60s for @GOP rivals. Party is behind our can

So much for social media.

Amy Siskind ‏@Amy_Siskind 3h3 hours ago

Amy Siskind Retweeted Good Morning America

And more importantly, Hillary's fav with Dems is 85, vs in 60s for @GOP rivals. Party is behind our candidate!

[pinebox]

220. Among DEMS is the keyword

You need more than just Dems to win the White House

So much for social media? Yup, agreed!

[riversedge]

223. Democrats need Democrats GOTV.

[Andy823]

227. How many independents

Did they ask? It would be nice to know the numbers polled.

[misterhighwasted]

228. 1/3 of your social media warriors won't bother to vote.

Or they'll save their real vote for the GOP.
Fringe & Repubs that are voting in your online polls will be voting for their GOP candidate. Not bernie.
Yup.