Hillary AGAIN Shamelessly Invokes 9/11 To Justify Wall St. Donors

[AzDar]

This time to Charlie Rose. Tone-Deaf, Appalling, and just...WOW.

http://gawker.com/hillary-clinton-again-invokes-9-11-to-explain-her-wall-1745514917?

[peace13]

1. That right there...

....is reason enough! Invoking 911 is only for fear and I think Americans are tapped out.

[AzDar]

3. I thought *certainly* she must have misspoken at the Debate...

[lewebley3]

37. Hillary did a fine job helping her state of New York after 9/11 she should be proud

[jaycrewz]

86. Except

That has nothing to do with her Wall St ties. She was a crony capitalist before 9/11.

[lewebley3]

108. Yes, it does: most of the people on Wall Street are not CEO's: They were middle class

Hillary helped get the money from Congress to help the New York
financial district: Most of the people who lost their business on
Wall street were small business owners (restaurant owners etc) and she help protected
middle class investments such as pension by helping New York back
to its feet. New York is the prime city of this country without
its quick restoration this country recovery would have sparked
great financial losses for the middle class.


Hillary was very good senator to the New York people, she was
elected twice, and she is no crony capitalist, she has been
in public service.

[AtomicKitten]

2. Hard to believe she's doubling down on this. She is seriously tone deaf.

[arcane1]

6. 10 bucks says it will stop once Paris isn't getting as much attention.

It seemed awfully convenient to starting bringing it up when she did.

[AtomicKitten]

8. or it becomes a catch-all default excuse

[AzDar]

12. An excellent point. Which would make it even more cynical and gross...

[AzDar]

7. I would LOVE to see how something so grotesque can be defended/justified...

[AtomicKitten]

10. we have precedent - Giuliani became a laughingstock for invoking 9/11 so capriciously

[floriduck]

16. Doubling down has been a right wing practice.

So what does this say about little Ms. Hill?????

[AtomicKitten]

18. STUPID=Experiencing blowback the first time and rolling it out again anyway.

[Major Hogwash]

122. It's outrageous.

And it isn't even a viable, believable excuse for her to rake in big bucks like that.

[Menshunables]

4. Some of her people should really talk to her about that.

It's very bad. Bush and Guiliani bad.

[FlatBaroque]

5. I stated it when she did it the first time

this is a focus group tested strategy.

[AzDar]

11. I think you may be right... Which makes me wonder whom they're seating for these 'groups'?

Relatives of Rudy?

[bahrbearian]

15. She's going for the Giuliani voter, cross party votes. See she can get Republican votes too .

[99th_Monkey]

9. That worked so well the first time

[NurseJackie]

13. It doesn't bother me. What's all the fuss about?

[jkbRN]

19. Well, if you are going to invoke 9/11..

One should note that she was receiving donations from wall at long before the attack.

I'd safely assume that is what all of the fuss is about.

[NurseJackie]

21. I'm not caring. (Anything else?)

[Vincardog]

28. Please tell us what she would have to do to loose your support.

[NurseJackie]

30. Why does it matter to you?

[Vincardog]

31. I am just endeavoring to determine how fanatical her supporters are.

[jaycrewz]

89. Shame

How some voters dont care that Hillary is bought and paid to do the bidding of Wall St. The fools who the middle class had to bail out. Our wages have been stagnant while they do well.

[Juicy_Bellows]

128. They've got no shame. The only rationale I can garner

For some of them is the lulz but the fucked up thing is I know that's not true. They're just....... well, you know.

[Gore1FL]

66. She shouldn't be a bank a verb and 9/11. n/t

[NurseJackie]

70. Says you. So vote for Bernie ... problem solved.

[Gore1FL]

72. Great Idea! I will! n/t

[sibelian]

93. I wouldn't worry about it if I were you.

Pat, pat.

[NurseJackie]

100. LOL ... Is it okay if I still find humor in it?

[bunnies]

14. WTF is she thinking?

This makes no sense!

[moobu2]

17. Hillary represented New York when 9.11 took place

and she did a lot of work on the rebuilding etc... She can talk about it if she want to.

[NurseJackie]

20. I know! Right? It's a fact, it happened. These shrill screamers need to find a way to deal with it!

"OH NO! THE OUTRAGE! SHE MENTIONED 9-11!! HOW DARE SHE?! SOMETHING-SOMETHING CORPORATIST! BLA-BLA OLIGARCHY!"

And, from looking at Hillary's poll numbers and her very long list of endorsements, it appears that this (fabricated) "issue" isn't hurting her. It's just more of the same Hillary-hate in an echo chamber. Beyond the walls of this fortress, it's just white noise. Nobody cares.

[AzDar]

22. I care. Judging from the response the last time she tried peddling this ugly, Giuliani-esque

bullshit, LOTS of other people care, as well. Yeah, she takes money from Wall st., because... wait fer it!...

9/11!!

[NurseJackie]

24. Well, okay, fine. "Bernie supporters care." (There! Happy?)

These are the people who'd never vote for her anyway ... you know, all that "Bernie-or-bust" stuff ... so why should she bother to sugar-coat things just for you?

None of this matters (uh, except to you ) so why harp on it?

[AzDar]

33. If it doesn't matter to you, as you've so DESPERATELY tried to convey... why 'harp' on it?

You know, the Shady Lady of Wall st. was a major recipient of Bankster donations LONG before 9/11...
...That anyone on a Democratic forum would defend this rank attempt at CYA is nauseating.

[NurseJackie]

41. "Shady Lady" (HA! That's hysterical!) Nauseating, eh? (Oh the drama!)

You guys crack me up! (Check the seat pocket in front of you. There may be a sickness bag in case you need it.)

[seabeyond]

98. 'harp' why the quotes?

[Duval]

38. Not so, NurseJackie. Many Bernie supporters have

said they will vote for her if she is the nominee. Me, for one.

[NurseJackie]

42. Glad to know that you don't identify with the "Bernie-or-Bust" crowd that I was referring to.

I'm also not a member of any "or-bust" crowd. (Unless you want to count the one that begins with the word "Democrat".)

[pnwmom]

56. What is ugly about it? She had to fight Christie and the Port Authority and the Rethugs

in the Federal government for enough funds to rebuild the area. Wall Street and New York appreciated her successful efforts.

[Ned_Devine]

25. I'd be willing to bet that it bothered you when Giuliani did it in 2008.

[moobu2]

49. Hillary barely mentioned it a couple of times

not like Guiliani did when he used the words 9.11 in every sentence.

[Ned_Devine]

51. If you're cool with it, there's not much I can say.

[pnwmom]

57. Hillary, unlike Giuliani, didn't stand at the site and preen. She got to work

fighting Christie, the Port Authority, and the Rethugs in the Federal Government for the funds that were necessary to rebuild Wall Street. And Wall Street and New York appreciated that.

[Martin Eden]

36. What does that have to do with Wall Street funding her campaign now ...

... is it supposed to be some kind of gratuity paid 14 years later?

[Jarqui]

103. Maybe Hillary and Wall Street were in on 9/11

as Hillary was receiving Wall Street money long before 9/11!!



(now I feel completely Republican ... spewing wild and baseless conspiracy theories!! Donald Trump would be so proud ... 'cause he was born in Mongolia! ... )

Hillary cannot have it both ways. It's a disgraceful, consciously dishonest response.

[Martin Eden]

104. I agree it's "a disgraceful, consciously dishonest response"

Citing 9/11 to deflect criticism for owing favors to Wall Street for campaign cash defies logic.

The fact that Hillary supporters think it makes sense is evidence of how they are willfully blinding themselves in order to maintain that support.

[Jarqui]

107. Strikes me like the political version of "love is blind"

Anyone who is blindly loyal to a politician regardless of what they do has given up their right to exercise their independent thought processes and judge the politician's performance with some reasonable objectivity. Ignoring what Hillary is doing here, claiming 9/11 as an excuse to accept money from Wall Street when she was collecting money from Wall Street long before 9/11 is not reasonable. When they do so, I think they degrade their own worth and what they stand for. It makes we wonder why they bother. It's so lame, I'm kind of embarrassed for them.

[Martin Eden]

113. +1

[karynnj]

40. Seriously - EVERYBODY in Congress did a "lot of work on rebuilding"

The bill that funded most efforts was sponsored by Daschle -- then the majority leader. S1426, which pass unanimously on 9/18. https://www.congress.gov/bill/107th-congress/senate-bill/1426

[moobu2]

50. But they did'nt represent New York.

Hillary did.

[karynnj]

53. No, but it wasn't just NY that was involved --

Many who died lived in NJ or CT; two of the planes came from Boston, two from NJ; and many died at the Pentagon. Not to mention, the entire country was traumatized.

HRC could have just said that she gets a lot of donations from Wall Street because many who work there are Democrats and they saw her as a good Senator and agree with the positions she takes.

[moobu2]

85. She represented New York when 9.11 happened though

Hillary wasn't talking about New Jersy or Connecticut or the Pentagon because she wasn't directly involved in day to day rebuilding process like she was for the district she represented which was >>NEW YORK<<.

[sibelian]

99. That's of no consequence.

The reason she is expected to make clear to the US public that her connections to Wall Street are wholesome and not counter-productive to US democracy is because these large organsations have the power to cause distortions to the political process that are against the public interest. 9-11 isn't the issue under discussion. Her willingness to stand firm against potentially undemocratic processes is.

[Gore1FL]

67. Rudy was Mayor of New York when 9.11 took place

Was he justified in invoking it?

[Beacool]

84. I tried to explain it when the subject came up.

I know for a fact what went down on Wall St. At the time I worked two blocks away for a Fortune 100. We couldn't get to work for two weeks. Obviously the top priority was the work being done at Ground Zero, but the city's second priority was opening the stock market and preventing the economy of NY from spiraling into a hole. I guess that some on this site live on air, but the rest of us depend on a healthy economy to support ourselves. Hillary worked her backside off to obtain money for NY and whatever else was needed.

As for the naysayers here, I don't give a flying fig what they have to say. This place is toxic.

[jfern]

23. Gu911ni was rejected, now it's time to reject H911ary

[SidDithers]

46. "H911ary"?...

This is what DU has become.



Sid

[Gore1FL]

69. No, your tagline celebrating a lost DUer is what DU has become.

And you should be ashamed.

[Juicy_Bellows]

129. Incapable of shame for that one. Incapable. Nt.

[Betty Karlson]

91. "H911ary" is harsh, but her lack of shame is appalling. And tone-deaf. eom

[jalan48]

26. Goldman Sach's favorite cheerleader.

Rah! Rah! Go Wall Street!

[ejbr]

27. Well

She has no better excuse and it hasn't affected her poll numbers . I can't blame her

[Darb]

29. Hard to believe that you guys are so ridiculous.

Hillary was the Senator from New York right? She was in 2001 right? Many of those pics of her on the trading floor are from that era right? So what the fuck?

You do realize that Wall Street was a part of her state and she represented them too right? You do realize that they are a huge part of the economy of New York and New York City, right? Are you saying that she should run them out of town? Shut down the exchanges? Make illegal publicly traded companies? Abolish bonds? Munis too? Options? Commodities trading?

Those are realities and to pretend that our economic system can somehow just eliminate them and move forward without them or whatever you believe is just so much unicorn thinking that it boggles the mind.

Sometimes it is really difficult to understand how far from the political reality that some of you seem to be. I don't like big business excesses or law breaking or any of that shit. But please tell me that you understand that corporate america cannot just go away, right? Right?

What the fuck? What world are you living in?

One of you, show me your way forward without Wall Street and without large corporations. Spell it out for me. Explain the way forward in your world view. And try your best to be realistic.

[arcane1]

44. You're in luck! Nobody i saying ANY of those strawman claims. n/t

[Darb]

114. Just whining about Hillary having contact with Wall Streeters, ad nauseam.

What the fuck, no way forward smart guy?

[dirtydickcheney]

48. Wait... you're actually telling us that without Wall Street there's no way forward??? /nt

[Mnpaul]

75. Sounds Randian to me

Going Galt on DU, who would have thought. Yuk!

[Darb]

115. No, saying you cannot show that there is a way forward without Wall Street.

Are you really suggesting an elimination of Wall Street? I am no worshipper of unfettered capitalism, on the contrary, I like it more regulated. But you and many other Berners seem to think there is a way to eliminate Wall Street and still have an economy robust enough to feed us all and give us work and I want you to spell it out for me. Go ahead.

[dirtydickcheney]

120. This is a straw man argument you're making.

I remember history books and civilization seemed to be progressing quite fine without any Wall Street in existence.

I do remember plunder ("East India Trading company&quot and the money begat to everyone who stole natural resources from other civilizations - is that the equivalent of the "Wall Street" you're talking about?

Tell me now how we need Wall Street to exist again and without it we'd be forever lost?

[Proserpina]

55. When you are running for President, you have to run for the WHOLE COUNTRY

and for all the People.

And when a candidate keeps harping on good old Wall Street, which inflicted so much damage on the 99%, damage which continues to this day and probably for another decade from now, in their economic lives, their futures, their children's futures...

the 99% begin to realize that said candidate doesn't give two figs for 99% of the people and 99.9999% of the country.

[Darb]

116. That is not what is happening and that was my point, you have to bee...

president for everyone. Including people who have been successful in our current system and the people they employ. Again, how do we go forward after you eliminate Wall Street. Describe the world for me and how to get there.

[Proserpina]

121. Eliminate the CRIME

and there is no need to eliminate finance...just scale it back to the 5% of the total economy that is the ultimate healthy chunk by all experience and theoretical analysis, not the 40-50% it's running now.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

58. You sound absolutely hysterical

Take a chill pill.

[Darb]

117. Wrong again.

The hysterical ones are the numbskulls who cannot describe the way forward after you guys somehow eliminate Wall Street. Want to give the unicorn crew some support?

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

123. Who said Bernie's eliminating wall street - besides you?

We need to reinstate Glass-Steagal, tax speculation, and each transaction, and reign them in with more regulations. The corporations need to pay their taxes, move jobs back here and they all need to get their dirty money out of our elections. That's Bernie's position as I understand it.

[Warren DeMontague]

87. did you sleep through the financial crash of 2008-9?

Collateralized Debt Obligations, Sub-Prime Mortgages ring a bell?

Anyone? Hello?

[Darb]

118. Don't be obtuse, or I should say, don't continue to be obtuse.

I support well regulated capitalism, far more regulated than the environment that created the last collapse. On the other hand, I do not support disbanding, or confiscating, or eliminating Wall Street, which is basically just a market for investments. Can you give it a go? Tell me, how do we move forward? Confiscation? Nullification? Dispersal? What the fuck are you are you guys talking about with all this Wall Street whining?

I say you do not have any actual solutions you are just whining about the rich without an inkling of how to move forward.

How does the Bernie revolution move forward?

EXPLAIN IT

[Warren DeMontague]

124. well regulated- there's the rub, jack.

surely a supremely bright individual such as yourself doesn't believe that massive campaign contributions are always given just out of the generosity of the donee's heart.

No, generally there is an expectation of some... shall we say, favorable legislative behavior on the part of the candidate in question. Oh, not a quid pro quo-- heavens, no one would suggest that (illegal, too, natch) but certainly large campaign donors would be expected to direct their largesse towards the candidates they felt were favorably inclined to begin with, towards their agenda.

Wouldn't you agree?

And none of this is to suggest that, even, this is automatically a bad thing when we're talking about Wall St. --- as I noted in another post, her husband ran openly as a "new" or pro-business Democrat, he owned it, he embraced it. He ran on it. If there is a case to be made that further loosening of regulations on the financial sector (despite several decades of already moving in that direction) is a wise policy endeavor, then Hillary should MAKE THE FUCKING CASE (see, I have a caps lock button too! wheeeee!) on that basis.

And yeah, the conversation is more than just academic, particularly in light of the fact that we the taxpayers were on the hook for the fucking financial meltdown of 2008-9 (so much for socialism being bad, eh?) and other bright people have certainly laid the blame for that clusterfuck on questionable speculative behavior (lehman bros, et al) which can be directly tied to a lack of specific kinds of, again, regulation.

But don't talk to voters like they're heavily sedated 4 year olds "I take contributions from wall st. because of 9-11 flag flag red white and blue we were attacked god bless america 9-11 the terrorists" ----that's just fucking idiotic.

[sibelian]

94. I suggest you some the threads on this site. DU is quite old.

It has had a very long history of examining the ways in which corporate influence can undermine the democratic process.

There are plenty of other websites giving similar information, off you go.

[Darb]

119. Oh I get it. what I don't get is

all the whining about Wall Street. Wall Street is a huge, multi-faceted, inter-twined, description of a portion of our economy. It cannot be eliminated. It will not be eliminated. And the people that work in that world have the right to have their say.

No, I do not think money is speech. No, I do not think banks should be able to be too big to fail. No, I do not think Citizens United is a good thing. Yes, I support publicly funded campaigns.

The problem with the Berner point of view is it is just a generalized anti-capitalist whine that has no basis in reality. And it will lose fantastically if he gets nominated. Bank on it.

[Warren DeMontague]

125. holy fuck, you mean there's a straw man running around this thread saying "Eliminate Wall St."?

Wow, how'd he get here?

[Beacool]

32. Ahhh, the perpetual rending of the vestments from Sanders' supporters.

The constant hyperbole about everything Hillary related is counterproductive.

No one here who supports Hillary is going to change their vote based on the posts on this board. Quite the contrary, the more she's attacked, the more entrenched her supporters become.

[frylock]

39. No amount of conservative rhetoric uttered by Hillary will change your minds..

that fact has been well established.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

59. Good for you! You WILL eventually vote for Bernie!

[Beacool]

81. I sincerely doubt it.

[sibelian]

95. Guess you'll be happy with Jeb Bush, then!

[Beacool]

111. Nope, Hillary will be the winner.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

112. I knew that.

[Old Codger]

65. really?

There is another way to state that actually, change the one word"entrenched" to "hardheaded" and ya got it... Or maybe "entranced"

"Quite the contrary, the more she's attacked, the more entrenched her supporters become."

[bunnies]

78. OT ...

Kinda....



Did something happen to dionysis? I never heard and its been a while.

[Beacool]

82. A bankie!!!

Thank you.

Yes, what happened to my buddy? He's a nice person.

[bunnies]

105. :)

I hope he's ok. In the meantime, I got you Bea!

[Beacool]

110. Thank you!!!

[Historic NY]

34. Sorry I'm a NY'er, I know what she did and I know first hand how devastated

the area was, the markets were unable to open. I know what she means and most people that were there or saw first hand know, on both sides of the aisle.

“I have stood for a lot of regulation on big banks and on the financial services sector. I also represented New York and represented everybody from the dairy farmers to the fishermen...And so, yes, do I know people? And did I help rebuild after 9/11? Yes, I did,” Clinton said.



If your really interest then read here but I highly doubt you give crap. http://fas.org/irp/crs/RL31617.pdf

If you want the crib notes version then look here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_effects_arising_from_the_September_11_attacks

[Duval]

35. Oh, man, not Again!

Shameful!

[DanTex]

43. Things only Hillary-haters care about...

[sibelian]

96. ... is an actual democracy.

...not a useless revolving-door corporate-interest-accommodating coping mechanism.

[MaggieD]

45. Why is it shameless? I think it's true

I don't understand why it bothers you.

[sibelian]

97. It's an attempt to deflect the public eye from potentially democracy-damaging connections

which she would be perfectly able to deflect ANYWAY by saying something as simple as "I won't let Wall Street and its need to focus on profit margins influence my decisions unduly as my job as president would be the stewardship of the entire country's interests, not just those of big business."

9-11 has nothing whatsoever to do with the potential for major corporations to alter the course of democracy without due oversight. The issues are not related. Her connection of the two is flim-flam.

[MaggieD]

102. She did a lot to get the funds to rebuild

And her constituents knew that. Of course they were grateful for her work on that. Why is that surprising? You do know those figures come from PEOPLE that donated to her, right? I ask because lots of Bernie supporters seem to believe corporations can donate to candidates. They can't. It's illegal.

This just seems like a desperate attempt to smear her by Bernie supporters. Apparently the old smears have been recycled so many times that new ones have to be dreamed up.

[onecaliberal]

52. This is only a tiny preview of what is to come should she get to the white house.

[pnwmom]

54. She again said that Wall Street was happy with how she helped get aid to the area

in order to rebuild it after the attacks.

People like Chris Christie, through the Port Authority, were interfering with money going to repair the New York infrastructure. She stood up against them and for New York and Wall Street.

So why should anyone here criticize her for that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_effects_arising_from_the_September_11_attacks

In New York City, approximately 430,000 job months were lost and there were $2.8 billion in lost wages over the three months following the 9/11 attacks. The economic effects were mainly focused on the city's export economy sectors.[13] The GDP for New York City was estimated to have declined by $30.3 billion over the last three months of 2001 and all of 2002. The Federal government provided $11.2 billion in immediate assistance to the Government of New York City in September 2001, and $10.5 billion in early 2002 for economic development and infrastructure needs.[14]

The 9/11 attacks also had great impact on small businesses in Lower Manhattan, located near the World Trade Center. Approximately 18,000 small businesses were destroyed or displaced after the attacks. The Small Business Administration provided loans as assistance, while Community Development Block Grants and Economic Injury Disaster Loans were other also used by the Federal Government to provide assistance to small business affected by the 9/11 attacks.

[zentrum]

60. So she meant it

...the first time! Where's the mis-spoke-pli-fi-cation?

[merrily]

61. Triple down. Don't let up on this.

[gordyfl]

62. Hillary Too War Hawkish for Me

I listened to the interview and her answer to "Would you put boots on the ground?"

She said "no".

But in the usual Hillary fashion she added, "We don't know how many Special Forces we'll need. Or how many Trainers. Or how many Enablers." What will these people be wearing? Tennis sneakers?

She continued her double-talk with "But we're not going to be sending thousands there."

She starts off with "no", but then adds all that. I don't trust her when it come to war.

[UglyGreed]

63. SMH

[marble falls]

64. Seriously, if Hillary hadn't accepted that Wall Street money, the terrorists would have won.

[PatrynXX]

68. doing about as much damage to the Dems as Donald is to the Repukes

face palm wonder if she thinks muslims were cheering

[gordyfl]

71. It's Not Unusual for Presidential Candidates to Invoke 911.

Hillary's not the first to invoke 911 during campaign season...

[We_Must_Organize]

73. Why does she keep saying this???

All she has to do is talk about her record in the Senate regarding financial legislation and/or her proposals for regulating Wall Street. She can easily make the case that the financial industry has no sway over her (whether that's true is another story). It's MUCH more believable than this ridiculous 9/11 shit. Can't believe her advisors don't see it.

[Ino]

74. She got a big round of applause when she said it during the debate.

That's the only reason I can think of that she keeps on with it.

[bowens43]

76. the woman is disgusting. we can take small comfort in the fact the no matter who gets the nomination

she will never be president.

[Beacool]

83. What's disgusting is your comment.

Hillary will be the nominee and she will be a good president.

[dflprincess]

77. If Hillary wants to invoke 9/11

she should do it by calling out Republicans for not supporting the health care needs of the first responders and the victims who continue to suffer.

Patting herself on the back for helping Wall Street does not impress.

[cui bono]

79. A war, a gender and 9/11.

[MisterP]

80. the Battle of Rotebro, penis, 9-11

[Warren DeMontague]

88. Oh, Barf.

[Betty Karlson]

90. Vile. Worthy of the GOP. Absolutely tone-deaf. Unqualified to lead the nation.

Nominate her, and the GE is LOST.

[raouldukelives]

92. Gotta appeal to her base. nt

[Thinkingabout]

101. Does Sanders get any support from citizens in Vermont? If so then why would there be disparaging

a candidate who gets support from the citizens of NY who remembers Hillary as assisting and meeting with people who worked in NYC?

[99Forever]

106. Sleazy gotta sleaze.

[randys1]

126. This damn computer of mine, I was SURE I was on Democratic Underground...guess not

[Babel_17]

109. She's thinking bigger picture, of the GE and the referees

In her mind, she's put the issue behind her now. Editors now have her detailed explanation of her thinking to refer to.

But I don't think she understands how memes work. lol

[Cheese Sandwich]

127. yikes. sad. nt