I'm 23 years old, and practically no liberal I know my age is supporting HRC. They are Bernie fans

[gobears10]

From my experience, the overwhelming majority of millennial liberals are pro-Bernie Sanders, and have lukewarm support for Hillary Clinton.

Our demographic doesn't view "democratic socialism" as a dirty term, and we associate the term with Scandinavian social democracy rather than central planning in the U.S.S.R.

We're also very anti-drug war, pro-marijuana legalization, sick of war, support single-payer healthcare, support making colleges tuition and debt free, support dramatically reducing student debt, are pro-labor unions, pro-worker cooperatives, and pro-racial, LGBT, and gender justice. We're critical of Wall Street, and generally anti-establishment as a voting bloc.

Not surprising that we're picking the progressive in this race, Bernie Sanders, over the establishment candidate.

[HerbChestnut]

1. Yep.

Bernie will be the easiest vote I've ever cast.

[TheBlackAdder]

93. With the lack of attention the young voters are getting, you'd think 'radio silence' was planned. nt

[lewebley3]

324. All my 20 something are supporting Hillary not Sanders: You dont' know many people

[HerbChestnut]

339. You're right.

I'm a hermit.

[shwnrob]

346. LOL

Good one me to

[840high]

2. Good

[morningfog]

3. Just wait. Old ass school marms will be along to tell you

that you don't vote, your friends don't vote, you don't matter. And get off their lawn.

[UglyGreed]

7. look below

nice call!!!

[morningfog]

12. They don't disappoint.

[Fawke Em]

8. It literally was the very next post after yours!

I nearly blew Perrier out of my nose!

[morningfog]

11. I could write their tired, worn out script.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

214. Some people never tire of telling the truth

To those who refuse to believe it.

I, on the other hand, don't usually visit the DU because of the people who spend all their time in the "Democrats are fascist corporatist" echo chamber. No need to tell you who is really popular. The polls will do so soon enough.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[ChairmanAgnostic]

13. Hillarians are plotting their revenge ad we sit.

[rhett o rick]

345. A new tactic is to watch closely and jump in the number one response slot for threads

posted by the main progressive posters. It's the best place to try to high-jack a thread.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

348. I had sensed that, but never put it into words.

[hay rick]

76. Old school marms speak the truth.

In my area 70-yr-olds voted at a 77% rate in 2014 and 20-yr-olds voted at a 22% rate. Counting on major presidential year improvement is magical thinking. If it's going to happen a lot of people are going to have to do a whole lot of work. The millennials are currently failing American democracy 101 and pretending otherwise or finding excuses for their non-participation makes us enablers. Now, about my lawn...

[jeff47]

142. In in 2012, most 70-year-olds voted for Romney.

Obama lost voters 65 and older, 44-56.

[wildeyed]

125. Whoa, that is rude.

If Sanders loses, it will be because his supporters ran off every possible persuadable voter with their nasty.

[roguevalley]

127. hillarians have a HUGE sense of grievance. its all they talk about.

[wildeyed]

147. So slurs are ok?

That is some serious bullshit; sexist, ageist and just plain mean. I don't know what a "hillarian" is, only that Sanders supporters think it is ok to post slurs.

[Bubzer]

154. You don't know what a "hillarian" is... but it's sexist, ageist and just plain mean?

[wildeyed]

160. No but calling women old ass school marms is.

Read the thread first, 'k?

[morningfog]

162. Where did someone call a woman that?

I certainly didn't.

[Bubzer]

165. Maybe I'm parsing it wrong, but it seems the comment said that School marms would reply.

Not that all women are school marms. I know the distinction is slight... but it's there.

[morningfog]

238. You read it right. There is nothing about or direct to women there.

[Tommy2Tone]

287. Not just School marms but old ass school marms n'/t

[morningfog]

290. Yes, the type that dismiss youth voters and enthusiasm. Old ass.

[Tommy2Tone]

291. Old ass?

Like Bernie?

[morningfog]

292. He is old ass for sure. But, he appriciates and respects the youth vote.

[Tommy2Tone]

293. and by extension Hillary doesn't?

That's just silly stupid. You guys are always grasping at straws. If the youth vote was trending toward Hillary you would be on here telling us how little a bunch of kids know about anything.

[morningfog]

294. Hillary's supporters don't, see this thread.

Please try to follow. It is tiresome walking you though all of this.

Hillary's supports don't because the youth vote is not with them. They feel the need to denigrate youth.

[Kokonoe]

350. Hillary has not the youth vote to appreciate and respect.

AND There are greater things in life than a big old pile of cash.

[Maedhros]

298. Keep collecting those wounds.

They may be useful for something, someday....

[wildeyed]

319. I am not wounded.

Just sick of people who go on and on about how they are soooooo progressive posting racial and sexist slurs and innuendos. Stop doing that and/or stop defending people who do and we are good.

[Maedhros]

322. You are going out of your way to interpret comments in such a way

as to allow you to be righteously indignant for your own gratification.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/spycatcher/201304/wound-collectors

...individuals, both in terrorism matters and elsewhere who, because of personality traits: collect social slights, historical grievances, or wrongs for reasons that personally benefit them or their belief system.

[wildeyed]

325. Oh bullshit.

You are diagnosing me with a mental disorder on an anonymous message board, and you think *I* have a problem? WTF. Grow some damn skin yourself.

[Maedhros]

326. The entire point of your post was to harangue a Bernie supporter for his supposed "sexism."

i.e. imagining a slight so as to use it for your own purposes. Seems pretty spot on.

[Bubzer]

338. Only because it is.

[sibelian]

250. It's as plain as milk what they are.

And it is long past the time where "just plain mean" has the faintest currency. Their behaviour on this website has been blatantly hypocritical and manipulative from the beginning of Primary season. I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.

[morningfog]

143. Yeah, that will be why.

Brilliant analysis.

[wildeyed]

157. It very well might be.

Sanders sure as shit won't win if all us old ass school marms go to Hillary since we are the ones who do all campaign work.

[Bubzer]

168. Right. Cause no one else every does any campaigning...

[wildeyed]

183. In my experience,

old ass school marms do most of the volunteer campaign work for Democratic campaign. Men are often paid organizers and candidates, but middle aged women do 2/3rds of the volunteer work. Have you had different experiences? Perhaps it varies by region. Do tell.

[Bubzer]

190. Statistics tend to show a relatively evenly split involvement between the genders.

Some studies indicate slightly more male involvement, others slightly more female involvement.
But, generally, they tend to stay fairly even. Here's one such study which shows slightly more female involvement.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiSqLrTrrzJAhUQRogKHXAvAXUQFgg0MAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcawp.rutgers.edu%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fresources%2Fgendercivicengagmnt.pdf&usg=AFQjCNGCAQFvQGD0Nf8vWvh_XY0Gx2wsOA&bvm=bv.108538919,d.cGU

You'll note, even were we to presume this study to be gospel, as the saying goes, it's miles away from the 2/3rds female involvement you experienced.

[wildeyed]

251. Wait, this is only people 15-25.

We are talking about old ass women and their volunteer involvement with the Democratic Party. This has nothing to do with what we are discussing. And anyway, it says "Working for a party or candidate" 4 females and 2 males, or 2/3rds, exactly what I said, even among the youngs. We are not talking about "general civic engagement", whatever the fuck that means.

And besides, I asked about your personal experiences. What is the male/female ratio and general ages of the volunteers on all the other campaigns you have worked on? I suspect that you and yours have not actually done any campaign work. So stop being a total dick to people who have just because they are saying something you don't like.

The original poster is CERTAIN that the youth vote will be there for Sanders because all the young people he knows like him. Many of us old ass females who have worked a bazillion hours of GOTV for Democratic candidates are skeptical because OUR personal experience says otherwise. Turning out the youth vote is like hearing cats. Not saying it can't happen, but it is not as easy as you might think. I recommend doing blanket registration pushes on college campuses, then knock and drag on election day. Regular GOTV strategy has never worked for me in this demographic. Don't even know how to do it in a caucus state. Do you have to get your friends to go to the caucus with you and stand around? Have fun with that. Pro-tip: Don't call the other caucus goers 'old ass'. It will not endear your candidate to them.

[Bubzer]

301. Anecdotal evidence has less weight than statistical.

Anecdotal vs. anecdotal won't mean much... but yes, I have done a fair bit of campaigning over the last 20 years, and my experience is that the men to women ratio tends to be pretty close to even.

Personal experience aside, BLS shows volunteer rates for both men and women to be 22.0 percent and 28.3 percent, respectively... with the 35 to 44 year-olds segment being most likely to volunteer (Not really your "old ass women" group). Again, this doesn't reflect your 2/3rds claim.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/volun.pdf

Yes, it's general civic engagement, but its a fair depiction of involvement at the political level as well... particularly since it reflects typical involvement. But of course, YMMV.

"So stop being a total dick to people who have just because they are saying something you don't like." - I'd say you need to address your own level civility before attacking mine. I never called anyone 'old ass'. Lastly, your allegiance is clear... so I'm not quite concerned about endearing you to my candidate. You're certainly not endearing me to yours.

[wildeyed]

318. OK, so I said a thing you don't like and there is no possible explanation

other than partisan attack. That is always the lazy default answer. And I will go to mine. I like both candidates. I will happily support whoever wins the primary. My personal preferences is for Hillary Clinton this cycle. Last cycle I supported Obama, and really early, waaaay before he won Iowa. But I liked both candidates then too and would have gladly supported Hillary if she won. Because I am actually a Democrat and also, I have seen up close and personal the HUUUUUGE difference between one of those and the current breed of Republican Tea Crazies. Try living in NC if you ever wondered.... Also, I remember Bush vs. Gore and the Naderites with their "Gore and Bush are the same BS". Nope. Wrong.

These stats you are posting, they don't mean anything. The question is what are the volunteer characteristics of DEMOCRATIC PARTY volunteers. Not civic engagement of 25 and under or general volunteer patterns. And yes, I understand that my experience is anecdotal. I am open to being wrong on this. So far you have not given compelling evidence that I am. The original thread is anecdotal too. It's all suspect due to confirmation bias, etc. Whatever. It is just interesting to think about and discuss.

I am not trying to convert you to Hillary. You are not a persuadable voter. You have decided. I respect your decision. You didn't post the original slur, but you jumped right in to defend it. That I don't respect.

[Bubzer]

334. These statistics are more valid than your unsubstantiated claim.

Sorry, I'm just not going to accept your opinion as a valid form of proof. I've provided a statistic that can be used to extrapolate political activity... particularly since political involvement is a component of these stats... something you should agree with, were you being less disingenuous. But, you've countered with... more opinion. I'm gonna stick with these BLS.gov statistics over your opinion. You're welcome to counter with stats of your own, but until then, I think I'm done talking with you.

Have a good one.

[daleanime]

166. Do you really chose a candidate by their supporters?

Then that leaves out Hillary so I guess you're hoping O'malley's people measure up?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

257. Actually, I hear that a lot from Hillaryites.

It's one of their memes, that O'Malley supporters are all sweetness and light, while Bernie supporters are all meanies.

Reality is, there are only a few O'Malley supporters around, so the fact that they're 'sweetness and light' is statistically unimpressive. If Bernie and O'Malley both had lots of supporters, I can guarantee you that O'Malley would have asses among his base too.

Heck, given the mendacious nature of some of O'Malley's attacks on Bernie, if the supporters were a reflection of the candidate, O'Malley would have more asses among his supporters in that case.

[Starry Messenger]

134. No wonder both teachers unions endorsed HRC. Nice talk.

[morningfog]

145. What a stupid comment.

What the fuck does anything I say have to do with Sanders' campaign?

In what reality to I or my comments have any influence on endorsements? That is just absurd.

[Starry Messenger]

146. No stupider than yours.

You share your opinion, I get to share mine. Enjoy your loss.

[morningfog]

155. Much stupider. What do my comments have to do

with presidential endorsements?

Seriously.

[Starry Messenger]

159. So emotional.

This teacher is glad about the direction the campaign is going, that's for sure! Any teacher who might have doubted that her union made a good decision only has to read hateful comments about "school marms" here at DU.

[morningfog]

161. That's fine and good. Good on you for teaching too.

Still, it is not an "opinion" that my posts influence endorsements. Because that is silly.

[dlwickham]

167. the primaries haven't even started yet

I'm sure that certain groups will become even more hateful as the time passes

[Starry Messenger]

176. I agree, totally.

I usually ignore such comments, but "old ass school marms" are the backbone of the Democratic Party. Such dismissive ageist sexism may indeed become common currency in here, which is sad. I don't know who they think that helps.

[dlwickham]

180. it doesn't help anyone but the repugs

but people are either too stupid to know that or just don't care

they want to see the opposing candidate go down no matter what

[wendylaroux]

276. "they want to see the opposing candidate go down no matter what "

no,not opposing candidate,opposing candidate supporters.**they appear to be privileged assholes.**no offense.

[dlwickham]

351. English please?

no idea what you just posted

[wildeyed]

179. You say it with a Sanders picture as your avatar.

I turned off sigs, but you probably have a bunch of campaign mess there too. It reflects badly, very badly, on your candidate when you say such horrible, sexist crap. This is a public forum. Most people read but never post. Most people are only just now tuning into the campaign. Old ass school marm is surfing about the dem primary, ends up here, sees your post, thinks Ouch! I like Hillary anyway, don't need to learn any more about this Sanders guy! And they are out..... Congrats! You just cancelled your own vote! Plus it is just a shitty thing to say. As a human being, you could be doing better.

[morningfog]

234. Good lord. Nothing sexist I. What I wrote, first.

Second, I am in no way affiliated with the Sanders campaign. I'm going to vote for him, that's it. I'm not here to reflect anything for anyone.

[one_voice]

330. You're right it's not sexist...

it is however ageist, nasty and rude.

If someone popped off with I'm not voting for any old ass yelling dude, when speaking about Senator Sanders, y'all would lose your shit. Rightfully so.

The school marm part--meh, adding the old ass to it makes it an nasty ageist comment--directed at fellow DU'ers.

[morningfog]

333. I don't think youth are posting about the youth voters not being worthy of

consideration. I don't see young voters dismissing young voters. It is the old folks who dish this out every fucking time. That's ageist. It's old voters who think their views are worth more, are more valid because they can dump on "the youth vote."

[JTFrog]

201. Why do you think it is okay to post something like that in the first place?

Why do you think it is okay to say something like that in the first place?

It's hard to take someone seriously when they obviously set out to be as offensive as possible and then throw a fit when someone tells them they've succeeded.

What else could you have been expecting?

[morningfog]

236. You are free to alert or ignore if it is sooooo offensive to you.

One thing I didn't expect was to be elevated to the position of influencing presidential endorsements! That feels pretty amazing. Trying to decide who to influence next!

[JTFrog]

271. You didn't answer the question. Why did you think it was okay?

Maybe you didn't think it was okay but did it anyway? I'm very curious why anyone on DU would think it's okay to post what you did. Without resorting to more nonsense do you think you could explain that please?

[morningfog]

285. I see nothing wrong with it.

It is routine and predictable. Every time a post is made which eludes to youth interest, someone will inevitably post that the youth vote is unreliable, they don't vote, etc.

Poo poo-ing on youth voting is school marmy and get off my lawn-like distractions.

[Bubzer]

163. The executive boards for those unions are supporting her. The membership, not so much.

The membership is generally evenly split. That she won over the board is meaningless compared to where the membership will vote.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-teachers-union-214190

the reaction is following a pattern that has played out in many major unions that have gone through the endorsement process this year -- anger and opposition from rank-and-file members who support Sanders and want their unions to hold off on any endorsement in the primary. Many teachers protested vigorously after the American Federation of Teachers endorsed Clinton in July.

Some NEA members supporting Sanders said they simply do not trust Clinton to fight for their interests -- and plan to fight back against any union endorsement. “Even if she says things that today sound supportive, she’s not going to be a steadfast friend of organized labor,” said Jamie Rinaldi, a teacher from Newton, Mass., and a union activist. “We don’t know she’s going to be the ally that’s going to stand with our legislative agenda.”

That's not a win for hillary. At best, it's a break even.

[Starry Messenger]

170. Wrong.

I'm a member of AFT and the process was very open. Some complainers are not 50% of the union.

[Bubzer]

178. YMV but my friends with AFT paint a significantly different picture than you claim.

They're getting reports that the membership polling was limited and targeted. That's far from a fair representation.

[Starry Messenger]

181. Maybe they should read their emails.

It was a huge process that involved many thousands of members. It's the same process used for years.

[Bubzer]

185. You're right. Maybe they should. As well as all the local schools... possibly even the entire state.

I'm sure it's just them, in spite of being union stewards and long-time members of good standing who're very active in the union. I'm sure it's all just them.

[Starry Messenger]

189. I am very very active, I am an elected leader in my local and an organizer.

Opinions aside, calling supporters "old ass school marms" is hardly going to win any undecideds, if that is actually a goal for some.

And yes, the process was just the same as previous endorsements. If people don't like the process, they should get in there and work to change it.

[Bubzer]

192. Perhpas I wasn't clear. The process isn't working for my locality. At all. No e-mails were sent.

The membership here found out the board voted after it happened. And it turns out, they were far from the only ones. There are reports of numerous other localities outside my state that were literally left out of the process. As I understand it, legal consultation is being sought right now to see if there is any recourse for the memberships at these schools.

[Starry Messenger]

193. Everyone got the email about the issues survey--I took it.

From there, the candidate questionnaire was developed. After I took the survey, I received emails about the process as it went on. Member town-halls were also held on the phone. Good luck with the lawyers, just seems like a waste of dues money, but whatever floats their boat.

[Bubzer]

194. Dont assume that since you got the e-mail, everyone else did too. Clearly, thats not the case.

At the risk of stating the obvious, It's their choice what they do... but from what I've heard, they think they may have legal standing.
In any case, time will reveal all.

[Starry Messenger]

195. Well, don't know what to tell you.

AFT talked to 1 million members, out of 1.3 million, the biggest conversation we've ever had in the endorsement process. Since the union is absolutely OCD about having current contact info, I have no idea why your friends missed the message. There was also phone contact, like I said.

[Bubzer]

198. It's moot. The agreived groups are going through their processes. I look forward to seeing results.

[That Guy 888]

225. I don't know if it applies to your union, but some union members on DU said the polling was early

That the endorsement polling was sent out when Hillary was the only Democratic candidate that was running. She's running a john-ellis-bush-bush campaign: no voter input needed in the primary just the acknowledgement that you can't vote for anyone else.

[Hiraeth]

273. Anecdotal evidence, I know but, I have two teachers in my immediate family both of whom are

Sanders Supporters ... take it for what its worth ...

[Bubzer]

277. I know a handful of teachers who're Bernie supporters as well... and one who's a hillary supporter.

All of them are upset at how their schools have been left out of the process.

I'll be sure to post any updates I get from them.

[dlwickham]

171. how many NEA members are there

“More than 30,000 NEA members have shown support for Sen. Bernie Sanders to be our next president through his campaign website or various social media sites,”

[Starry Messenger]

174. 3 million. They are one of the biggest unions in the US.

[dlwickham]

177. math isn't my strong point

30K members out of 3 million would be 1% of the membership?

so 1% of the membership is publicly support Sanders; doesn't sound like that big of a deal to me

[Bubzer]

182. Versus an executive board of, what? 10-12 people? Maybe a few more? Certainly less than a 100.

You're right...the executive board's not a big deal... Except that they can arbitrarily choose to cast their lot in with hillary.
In the end it won't matter, the votes will come, all this squabbling will be done, and we'll be able to move on... one way or another.

[dlwickham]

188. if the executive board isn't responsible to the members

then the members have a responsibility to vote them out

however, it doesn't sound like the vast majority has any issue with the endorsement; maybe we'll hear from them later if they did

75% of the executive board voted to endorse Hillary

the NEA has a 175 member exec board

[Starry Messenger]

184. I believe you are correct!

Plus, AFT has 1.3 million members, so if the 30k includes members from each union, that percentage is even smaller. People are entitled to their choices and feelings, of course. But I wouldn't call it a mass movement.

[Sancho]

233. You are simply wrong about this...

I'm VP of an educator chapter in Florida and on a state wide political committee.

Our state wide polls of teachers, university professors, and related unions (grad students, etc.) are overwhelmingly for Hillary. In fact, our analysis of candidate questionnaires, policies, and chapter meetings are consistent.

Hillary calls for preschool education, she has worked for children and immigrants for decades, and she has a better policy for higher education.

Bernie would be third or forth in most cases (behind Biden and O'Malley). His FTT on public retirement funds, lack of early policies for citizenship, Vermont's lack of tuition equity (which they have in NY and Maryland for example), and many other planks make Bernie a poor choice.

Union officers (like me) are members who are elected by members. We are not paid. Members can elect someone else from their ranks.

A small subset always disagree with endorsements - and there is also a subset who vote republican. The small subset cannot change the facts. Most educators prefer Hillary.

[mdbl]

254. Ya, and the Teachers Union will end up with the same support Obama gave them

by never putting on his comfortable shoes.

[Starry Messenger]

260. Unions keep close track of issues like Obama's

great record of using his executive powers to greatly aid the NLRB to expand union rights, just to pick one example from many.

Meaningless and symbolic gestures aren't the same thing to us.

[Lilith Rising]

272. That is just downright rude.

"old ass schoolmarms"?

[Tommy2Tone]

284. Old ass school marms?

Says the guy voting for 73 year old geezer.

[morningfog]

286. Who appeals to the youth vote and doesn't discourage them from participating.

[Tommy2Tone]

288. Change the subject..AGAIN

It's one 23 year old and from there the post went to "old ass school marms."

[morningfog]

289. I didn't change the subject, I anticipated the piss-on-the-youth responses,

which came.

[onehandle]

4. Practically nobody your age shows up at the polls.

A shame really, but it's true.

[jeff47]

15. And once again, I get to show you the demographics from 2008 and 2012

Voters their age elected Obama both times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012#Voter_demographics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008#Voter_demographics

Obama lost among older voters in 2012. He lost or tied among older voters in 2008. It was "voters their age" who actually provided Obama's victories.

I think this is the third or fourth time I've show you the exact same demographics. How long are you planning to ignore them?

[onehandle]

16. Women elected President Obama. Women elect Democrats.

Guess who women are going to vote for in the Primary and in the General Election.

[Avalux]

24. Not THIS woman. What a ridiculous blanket statement. n/t

[Jackilope]

67. Same here. 50+, female, Sanders supporter.

Come from a Democratic upbringing in a red state -- but I can drive over to Iowa to volunteer for Sanders -- and can fill up my van with other female Bernie enthusiasts to volunteer across the border as well.

So tired of Hillary and supporters pulling the gender thing as an asset or reason to support her. I feel no sisterhood with anyone that is hawkish and a corporatist.

[Autumn Colors]

116. Me, too. Female, 50+, voting for Sanders (nt)

[people]

94. 65+ year old woman

Bernie Sanders all the way! Still idealistic - still p.o.'d. about injustice, dishonesty, hypocrisy and sold-outedness.

[cui bono]

33. This woman's voting for Bernie.

And I ain't no millennial.


.

[jeff47]

43. Nope. Look at the demographics.

For example, in 2012 he lost men by about the amount he won women.

Also, the margin among women shot way up among millennial women. He lost women over 50. Or do millennial women not count?

[ChiciB1]

54. NOT THIS ONE!! NO, NOT THIS ONE! n/t

[dflprincess]

66. My 4 twenty to thirty-something nieces all support Bernie

as does their aunt.

[sleepyvoter]

95. More women donate to Bernie than Clinton.

Fact.

[loyalsister]

109. Not this woman

nor a lot of fellow members of the LWV including several trailblazer feminists I know. Maybe it has something to do with their advocacy for a department of peace?

[tecelote]

216. "Maybe it has something to do with their advocacy for a department of peace?"

Thanks!

A pivotal topic not mentioned enough.

[loyalsister]

274. I haven't trusted her since IWR

and I shudder to think of what things would be like if she had been president during the uprisings in the ME.
Her hawkishness honestly frightens me.

[JDPriestly]

119. I'm an older woman, and I am voting for Bernie.

[hueymahl]

131. Not in this family

My wife can't stand Hillary.

[AtheistCrusader]

217. I think you got some sexism on your shoe there. I can smell it from here.

[senz]

218. This woman's voting for Bernie.

Because he's the best candidate running. Hands down, the best.

[SamKnause]

224. This 62 year old female is voting for Bernie.

[ChiciB1]

53. Good On You... These Millenials ARE Different From What

I'm seeing. I've already posted about the 3 in my family. I'm CONSTANTLY reminding them it takes so much more than talk. I hear many say, "we have time" and I keep telling them... It's NEVER TOO EARLY!

[Hulk]

98. Read it, but....

While it tells me what percent voted for Obsma/Romney, where does it say what percent voted at all? That's the data I'd like to see.

If you have 90% voting for Sanders, if it's only 10% that bother to vote, it's meaningless.

The younger generation need to get off their lazy asses and smother the geezer vote. We are out there in high percentages, making our votes count. We'll be dead and gone in 20 years. The future is in their hands too!

[jeff47]

112. If your claim was correct, Romney would have won.

The younger generation need to get off their lazy asses and smother the geezer vote. We are out there in high percentages, making our votes count. We'll be dead and gone in 20 years. The future is in their hands too!

If this claim was correct, Romney would have won. After all, he won the geezer vote.

So since they already smothered the geezer vote in the last two presidential elections, you got any other complaints?

[Hulk]

153. Same complaint...

They need to show up. Obama had the minority voters out the last two elections, and if that meant the younger voters as well...well, that's good. I don't trust the repuKKKes for one minute, and until we SOUNDLY beat their asses in national and regional elections, we are going to continue sliding backward while the rest of the industrialized world speeds past us.

The repub's will take the geezer vote, for a number of reasons not worth going into here. If the young voters showed up in percentages like the geezers do, we could do something positive with this country in the next decade. Without that, we'll continue to struggle along with a most probable Democratic President battling every inch of the way with a Congress that is poisoned with teabagger/fundie and "conservative" representation.

It just seems a shame that the younger generation have the most to gain, with their life expectancy and all, yet they blow it off in large percentage points. That's my complaint, I suppose. I'm aware of some very strong, involved younger voters. It's the large numbers that don't vote and don't want to get involved with even paying attention that is "my complaint". It's disheartening.

[jeff47]

169. So, your stereotype was utterly wrong, but you're gonna cling to it.

Obama had the minority voters out the last two elections

"Not white" was 30-someodd percent of the vote. Under 40 was 30-someodd percent of the vote. (Going from memory, didn't bother looking it up again to get exact numbers)

If the young voters showed up in percentages like the geezers do, we could do something positive with this country in the next decade.

Well then, perhaps we should give them a reason to show up, instead of repeating the mistakes we made with GenX. That might start with not insulting them as lazy and stupid.

Without that, we'll continue to struggle along with a most probable Democratic President battling every inch of the way with a Congress that is poisoned with teabagger/fundie and "conservative" representation.

Not going to be fixed until at least 2022. The Republicans did an excellent job of gerrymandering, and we did an excellent job of running abysmal campaigns.

Seriously, who the fuck thought running against the ACA in 2010 was a good idea?

It's the large numbers that don't vote and don't want to get involved with even paying attention that is "my complaint". It's disheartening.

Well, step 1: Stop insulting them.
Step 2: Start listening to them instead of lecturing them. They have issues. Don't blow off those issues like you blew off GenX's issues in the 90s.

[Hulk]

230. Find something better to do with your time.

You're wasting it with me. I couldn't care less what you want to read into a post. Get a life.

[jeff47]

270. And that's an excellent example of how you lost my generation in the 90s.

There aren't enough Boomers left to beat the Republicans, and GenX has been driven off into massive apathy.

You need "the kids" to win. Treating them like this is not going to get them.

Make a choice:
1) Your self-importance
2) Winning

In the 90's, you picked #1. Which one you want to do this time?

Frankly, I don't care. We have a massive pile of shit to clean up, and its going to take several generations to do it. Choosing #1 again just means we'll start the cleaning a little later.

[beerandjesus]

249. ^^^ Great post ^^^

It's beyond me why the party establishment believes that Boomers are the future of the party. It's like they're doing the same thing as the Republicans, only not as loudly (and of course, minus the open racism).


This should be a t-shirt:
Well, step 1: Stop insulting them.
Step 2: Start listening to them instead of lecturing them. They have issues. Don't blow off those issues like you blew off GenX's issues in the 90s.

[CoffeeCat]

17. That's nutty...

They showed up in droves to vote for Obama. Young people DO vote, when there is a worthy politician on the ballot; one who represents their interests.

Young people need a reason to vote. They need an honest politician who will enact meaningful change.

Young people are excited about Sanders. They were toddlers when Bill Clinton was President.

The Clintons represent the history of our Democratic Party. Sanders represents the future.

[leftofcool]

18. Actually, they didn't. They were the lowest voting bloc.

[jeff47]

45. Barely. And they overwhelmingly voted for Obama.

Meanwhile, those "reliable" older voters voted for Romney.

Let's rely on Romney voters in the general election!!

[Ned_Devine]

46. This is for you

[leftofcool]

19. +1

[Scootaloo]

32. Showed up in 2008 and 2012. The youth vote turns out for presidential elections

We'd show up for midterms too, if the party would stop its insistence that we run shitty republicans against shittier republicans.

[mythology]

56. You do realize that the parties are more polarized than any time in at least 50 years right?

That makes it really hard to make the case for your argument given that it's not based in factual reality.

[JoeyT]

75. If by "polarized" you mean "yelling at one another louder" then yeah, probably.

They're polarized over social issues, mostly. "Well, our party also thinks you vile peasants should live in poverty and worship whatever master lets you lick the crumbs from his floor, too, but some of us think gay people should be able to get married!" probably isn't going to win many people over.

Don't get me wrong, social issues are as important as economic ones, otherwise I wouldn't be here at all, but when you combine support for social issues only when left with no choice with what's often only a marginal difference on economic issues, you're not going to whip up much enthusiasm. Especially when what you're competing against are a bunch of religious nuts that think even the most lukewarm support for social issues is somehow going to bring the moon crashing from the sky.

[Scootaloo]

105. Could you make your point with a little less poorly conceptualized jargon?

[LonePirate]

92. 19% of the total 2012 vote was from 18-29 yo per the exit polls provided by CNN

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/main/

[RichVRichV]

352. So 18-29 actually had more votes than the 65+ crowd. Interesting.

And the under 50 crowd had 56% of the vote. That just further confirms to me the current polls are under-sampling the youth vote.

[passiveporcupine]

77. You wish

They are not interested in politics as usual, but you throw a Bernie in the pot and just wait and see.

[retrowire]

81. Keep mocking us. :)

Complacency will be Hillary's downfall..

Oh but please continue NOT WORRYING for Hillary. She's got it all locked up remember?!

[green917]

99. it's important to remember

Secretary clinton had it "all locked up" (the nomination at least) at this point in 2007 also. Look at how that worked out for her. Hillary (like her husband, al from, and the other founders of the dlc Before her ) has fallen into the same trap that has plagued the party since they (the 3rd way/dlc/neo-liberals) came on the scene. They believe that triangulation to appear more conservative to independent voters is what wins elections (even though it never has) but, as kinky friedman so eloquently put it, "the only thing you find in the middle of the road are yellow lines and dead armadillos! ". This will be a transformative election because the American people have shown that they are willing, no matter their political stripe, to support anyone who is outside the status quo of dc politics. This is the reason that the Donald, Ben carson, carly fiorina, and, to an extent, senator bernie sanders are doing so well.

[retrowire]

101. Exactly.

People really need to get their head out of the sand and put their finger in the wind.

[JonLeibowitz]

196. Hillary does all the wind-measuring needed. In fact, NOAA should hire her.

She could run the agency!

[Docreed2003]

111. Pretty sure that's a Jim Hightower quote...

About armadillos. Otherwise, excellent post

[green917]

341. on recollection

You are absolutely correct! thanks!

[Docreed2003]

347. No problem!

[Doctor_J]

152. because the party gives them candidates like Hillary Clinton

whom they know cares not even a little bit about them

[lumberjack_jeff]

213. They did in 2008 and they will again in 2016 if we make the same prudent choice. n/t

[BradBo]

219. Totally agree.

I don't comment much but I am down heartened when I read a comment from a millennium about supporting Bernie. They need to drop the Xbox controller and get out and vote. They have been way to comfortable for to long with parental support and don't know what real threats to their comfortable life style that are staring them right in the face. Vote, vote, vote!!!!!

[UglyGreed]

5. Good for you guys!!!

very proud that your generation is cutting through the propaganda and seeing the light Now get off my lawn yer snot nosed whippersnappers

[jeff47]

6. Someone will be along shortly to refute you with a poll that throws out people under 26.

Because nothing shows what a generation wants like throwing out half of them from your poll.

Meanwhile, keep your head up and keep fighting. We all will get this done.

[Hepburn]

9. I am 67 years old and none of my friends are supporting Hillary.

Those pals include male, female, Republicans, Independents, Democrats, the young, the old and the middle aged!

[CoffeeCat]

20. I'm a middle-aged woman....

...who is supporting Sanders. Everyone in my book club is supporting Sanders. Not one Hillary supporter.

[Fuddnik]

39. I'm a 63yo male.

The only people I know supporting Hillary are a few 55+yo women. Everyone else is for Bernie. Even people who were never interested in politics are taking an interest in Bernie.

I myself, never voted for other than a Democrat my entire life*. I even ran for Congress in 2004. I managed a couple of campaigns since then. Almost everyone I've been associated politically for the last 15 years is supporting Bernie.

* I must in all honesty admit that I voted against a "Democrat" in 2008, for a County Clerk office. The "Democrat" ran in 2004, with our financial and sweat support in 2004. The day after he lost, he showed up at a Repuke press conference, crying how the Party had abandoned his values, and he was switching over to Republican. He knew the incumbent Repuke he ran against was retiring after that term, and he tried to position himself for the next race. Behold! He filed as a Republican for the 2008 election. But the Republican Party had a better candidate in mind, and threw their support behind her. So, now this piece of shit opportunist switches back to Democrat, and file to run. And the assholes running the county and state parties backed this loser AGAIN!

Fuck him. It's te only time I ever voted for a Republican. And the "Democrat" lost in a landslide. He's now retired to the dustbin of Florida politics.

[jeff47]

149. Don't sweat voting against a Democrat. Not all of them deserve our vote.

For example, I voted against Feinstein twice. (Then I moved out of CA)

[ChiciB1]

59. Once Again We BOOMERS Are Carrying The Ball...

but it's NOW our duty to push and prod those who have followed in our footsteps. So very many of my group are BOOMERS, but as I stated here twice, 3 millennials are part of my family and I'm right behind them PUSHING!

Oh, also their boyfriends and girlfriends too!

[jeff47]

151. You mean like how Boomers carried the ball in 2012 and voted for Romney?

Obama lost among voters over 40 in 2012.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012#Voter_demographics

"The kids" are doing just fine.

[Hepburn]

265. Doing the same here...

...but do not need much push to get support for Bernie. He appears to be universally liked -- well, except for those who think the next Dem POTUS should be corporate owned.

[ibegurpard]

10. Don't worry

You are NOT crazy nor do you live in some weird unique place. Just telling you that before Camp Weathervane comes along and tries to gaslight you into believing otherwise.

[CoffeeCat]

23. They're hell bent on...

...trying to pour cold water on any spark of enthusiasm for Bernie, aren't they?

No doubt, they seem collectively concerned and on a mission to keep throwing that cold water.

[UglyGreed]

35. Really sad to see this

IMO this is more important to these kids then it is to most of us older folks. Yet some try to discourage their will to better their lives and belittle their effort SMH!!!

[Fuddnik]

41. The only thing they're going to get is frostbite.

[beerandjesus]

255. Of course, their candidate is cold water personified!

I seriously think you might have just hit on the best Hillary metaphor I've seen, haha!

[PatrickforO]

14. And if you guys show up at the polls, Bernie could well be our next prez.

[DrBulldog]

21. But will you lazy millennials actually vote?

Can you be like Bernie who walks the walk as well as talks the talk?

[Turn CO Blue]

58. They do vote in the generals, not the off years though. For last 3 generals, youth have

and their percentage is growing. So millennials will vote, it's generation X that is disengaged and doesn't show up. We need them too.

Main point of this article is a study showing that WITHOUT the youth vote in 2012, Romney would have sailed into the WH {shudders}

http://www.politico.com/story/2012/11/study-youth-vote-was-decisive-083510

[jeff47]

84. GenX is going to be very difficult to get.

First, the older half tend to be teabaggers.

Second, Democrats could make a winning coalition without us in the 90s, and we wanted different things than the Boomers and WWII generation in that coalition. Our small size made it not worth it to address that divide.

Which caused a lot of long-term apathy that will be very hard to overcome. Especially since GenX priorities were bargained away in compromises by Third-Way Democrats.

Since we're in our 40s now, it will be very difficult to get some sort of "GenX attracting" message to overcome all that. Our student loans are paid off. Those of us who will ever be able to buy a house have bought one. Those of us who never will be able to buy one have accepted their screwing. And we're too young to be seriously swayed by Medicare and Social Security - we still expect them to be bargained away before we get there (Hey, let's talk about raising the retirement age for everyone after Boomers again!)

And we're still a small block of voters.

[Docreed2003]

115. As a fellow Gen X'er

I agree with everything you've said. Although I'm on the younger end of the Gen X spectrum, I'm 37, I vividly remember the generational struggles of the 90's and how our generation was treated by the powers that be. Many of my fellow classmates from high school are very much in the libertarian or tea party camps now because of these issues. The DNC has all but ignored our contingent and admittedly folks have checked out, but it isn't because we're apathetic or not involved. It's because we've been rarely given a reason to become involved. Most of us are working our jobs and balancing families and dealing with struggles to an extent that our parents didn't face.

[sibelian]

253. The situation will not improve. We're of no consequence to them.

Not enough power.

[Beartracks]

331. I only WISH my student loans were paid off!

Due to life circumstances and a dash of ignorance/naivete, mine grew and grew while on deferments for years... Now they're huge. I'm on the income-based repayment plan now, at least, but the huge debt is itself an unwieldy burden.

=============

[PoliticalMalcontent]

87. It's an important point worth discussing.

We're a bit spoiled here with vote-by-mail (GO WASHINGTON, OREGON AND COLORADO!) but I'll admit to never having caucused before for various reasons. Living in a semi-late caucusing state doesn't help. Most of the nomination legwork has already been done by the time the vote gets out here. I'll say for a fact that I am FIRED up to caucus this go-round, even if my preferred candidate has been all-but-eliminated. The enthusiasm is real and enthusiasm is invaluable come voting time.

So.... will millennials caucus? I can't speak for the rest of them, but at least one will.

(I disagree with describing millennials in broad strokes as lazy.)

[Blus4u]

22. K n R

Everybody needs to vote.


Peace

[LibDemAlways]

25. My daughter is 22. Her boyfriend is 24. They

could have written your post. Well said.

[central scrutinizer]

26. I'm 65 and all of my friends are supporting Bernie

Haven't had a real Democratic president since Carter. Time to end the trickle down bullshit

[NurseJackie]

27. Ahhh, sweet youth! I was angry and idealistic once too.

(Sigh.)

[onehandle]

36. Hey! I voted at that age.

Voted for Jimmy Carter in 1980.

How did that election go? I forget.

[Ned_Devine]

49. My gift to you

[NurseJackie]

55. Glad that our economy and employment and

inflation is better now than then ... and that we don't have an ongoing hostage crisis. Times change ...

[Warren Stupidity]

242. yes indeed 35 years of neoliberal thatcherist economic policy has been great for all of us

amirite?

[rbrnmw]

63. I was 19 1988 Michael Dukakis

I cried because I worked my ass off I took it hard

[Indepatriot]

60. Got that? Being anti-war, pro single payer, anti-wall street, pro college for all, anti-third way

Makes you "angry".......hello ignore list...

[NurseJackie]

91. I think you misunderstood. But ...

... that's fine.

[MrMickeysMom]

122. I think they understood just fine...

... but, I wonder when people talk about the hostage crisis and how "inflation" is better since then.

Just where were you living all these years, anyway?

[NurseJackie]

132. LOL

[pacalo]

158. Thank you.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

221. So you've lost your idealism? What happened?

[Dawgs]

343. WTF!! Is it wrong to be idealistic?

Jesus Christmas already.

[NurseJackie]

344. No, there's nothing wrong with that at all. Just don't expect to accomplish much.

I guess that's the "beauty" of being idealistic. Those who are, are blissfully unaware of how their purity and unwillingness to compromise will result in more failure than success. And I suppose that's a valid reason why so many of the pure liberals are so angry, frustrated and aggressive.

It often appears that the purest of pure liberals would rather have NO loaf than compromise for half a loaf... you know... because compromising their values would be "wrong" and they'd rather starve (or lose an election) than to give a single inch.

Amazingly, this appears to be a point of pride with many. "We may have lost, but at least we didn't accept any of that dirty money." Or ... worse yet ... to be selfish enough to sabotage and undermine the party's nominee. It often seems that rather than blaming themselves and accepting their own flaws and weaknesses, they'd prefer to blame the pollsters, or invent conspiracy theories to explain-away their own failings. Worse yet, some appear to want to go BACKWARD in some selfish and misguided effort to claim the all-important all-powerful "I-told-you-so" rights.

So, yes... I too was "young" and idealistic. Some folks never "grow up" (so to speak, it's not entirely age-related) to become more realistic and pragmatic. Others do. I did.

Take it or leave it.

[Dawgs]

353. Explains all I need to know about you.

Thanks.

[NurseJackie]

354. You're welcome! Thank you for your interest.

[WillyT]

28. Bravo !!! - Many Us, Long In The Tooth, Are Right There With You...

It's your future, and I sincerely want it to be a better one then we have found.

[tammywammy]

29. I'm 35 and only know one Sanders supporter.

I'm undecided, but of my left side of the aisle friends everyone except one supports Hillary.

[intersectionality]

282. Wow really?

Where do you live if you don't mind me asking? I'm in NYC and I get quite a lot of diversity of answers from my friend group and even my parents and their friend group in the Dallas tx area.

[tammywammy]

296. I'm in the DFW area.

I have friends in various parts of the US.

[6chars]

30. just a sampling

http://www.pennforhillary.com/#philly
https://www.facebook.com/yalestudentsforhillary/?_fb_noscript=1
http://www.browndailyherald.com/2015/09/13/brown-students-for-hillary-heres-why-you-should-vote-for-hillary/
https://callink.berkeley.edu/organization/RFH
https://maizepages.umich.edu/organization/studentsforhillary
http://bcgavel.com/2015/11/01/bc-students-for-hillary-kicks-off-campus-campaign/
http://wellesleyforhillary.com/

[JonLeibowitz]

197. Wellesley might not be the best example

A recent article on Wellesley For Hillary included numerous quotes where they were partly backing her to increase the value of their degrees. So, yeah, not the least self-serving of votes...

[mike_c]

31. I'm 60, and having much the same experience....

Everyone I know that has talked about presidential politics is a Sanders supporter. Of course, I live in a very liberal community, so that doesn't surprise me. But I'm seeing very little actual support for Senator Clinton.

[Aerows]

34. It's not just millenials

It is anybody that has a liberal bone in their body. I live in an extremely conservative state, but mention Bernie Sanders, and there is at least respect in the eyes of the people you are talking to.

Mention Hillary? Good luck with that!

Those are my observations.

[BernTheRich]

37. Thanks for posting this, gobears10!

I'm supporting/voting for Bernie for the same reasons - and I'm 52!

I'm glad that you and the other intelligent people your age have a candidate whom you can believe in. I know that if it weren't for Bernie, I would have much less hope for all of us.

[MsLeopard]

85. Welcome to DU!

I think you'll like it here; check out the Bernie group if you get a chance.

I'm 65 and "corner the vote" for Bernie each Sunday in my town. The number of people who show up with signs and banners grows every week and the feedback from drivers is mostly positive. Go Bernie!

[BernTheRich]

357. Thank You for the warm DU welcome, MsLeopard!

Your welcome and what you wrote put a smile on my face - and that's very unlike me lol!

And thank you for your support of Bernie. What you wrote only confirms that there is a real groundswell for Bernie that we're not really seeing in the media. I really believe that he has scared the "powers that be" - including (especially) certain Democrats.

I also believe that the issue of income inequality would hardly be raised, if at all, if it weren't for Bernie. The other candidates are just jumping on his bandwagon, and they wouldn't be doing that if they didn't think it would benefit them in a big way. Bernie is the real deal. And I never thought I'd be able to say that about any politician.

Thank You again!

[AtomicKitten]

38. Very proud of you, grasshopper. Your generation makes me hopeful.

[Thespian2]

40. I am 77...

and I totally agree with this 23 year-old...

[Hoyt]

42. Yea, I remember supporting George McGovern and learning what "political landslide"

feels like.

[moobu2]

51. Exactly

George McGovern won 16 or 17 electoral votes (can't remember exactly) in the general election after winning the primary where 18-21 year olds could vote for the first time.

[Trajan]

135. False equivilency

Different persons - Different times - Different issues - Different consequences at stake.

I expected you to show disdain for liberals ... I am not in the least surprised ...

[Hoyt]

139. Likely same outcome.

[moobu2]

211. What about the comparison Bernie Sanders supporters constantly make

between this election and his poor polling numbers and the 2008 election when Obama overtook Hillary and won? Is that a false equivalency? Or is it like everything else seems to be with Bernie Sanders supporters and depends on whether or not it benefits Saint Bernie? Polls don't matter unless they show Bernie ahead either I noticed.

[Puglover]

275. ...

"Borrack is clearly unelectable in the GE"- moobu2, Mon Mar-24-08 08:27 AM

[Turn CO Blue]

44. My two kids are Bernie fans (25 and 31 years). And I am too! (39 years and holding LOL)

Okay, possibly one of those numbers is a tiny fib LOL.


I like Hillary, but I am for Bernie!

[UglyGreed]

48. Those kids

always lie about their age don't they?

[Turn CO Blue]

106. precisely :)

[PennsylvaniaMatt]

47. You are right

A lot of fellow young Democrats that I talk to support Bernie Sanders, myself included.

[ChiciB1]

50. Supporting IS Fantastic... Ground Work & GOTV IS

what ALL of you so desperately need to do. I have 3 millennials in my family who ALSO support Bernie, but I'm CONSTANTLY reminding them that they MUST mobilize and GET OUT AND VOTE!!!

[MeNMyVolt]

52. Things will feel different when you're older. Trust me.

I encourage you to stay involved, but don't let your personal life suffer from it. Good luck gobears.

[JoePhilly]

57. Will they vote or stay home if Bernie loses the primary?

[WillyT]

62. That Is A Really Interesting Question... Sincerely...

If people who had hopes for a better future get crushed by TPTB, will they show up after feeling beaten down ???

Time will tell.

[JoePhilly]

69. How does a 23 year old come to feel "beaten down"?

Especially by the rather nebulous TPTB?

[Fuddnik]

74. Well $200k in student debt, and a $12 per hour could do it.

Just sayin'.

[JoePhilly]

78. Humm ... I put myself through undergraduate and graduate school ...

... worked the entire time ... and had about 100k in loans when I was done.

Never felt "beaten down".

[WillyT]

90. And You Just May Be The Exception And Not The Rule... These Days...

When I went to Jr. College it was free... except for books and lab fees.

When I went to state... tuition was $85 to $95 during the time I was there.

I don't know your personal situation (it's none of my business), and I know we don't agree on most things.

BUT...

There is all sorts of data out there that says that parents of children are now worried that their kids will not have a better life than they had... hell the data says the parents are worried it will be worse.

And other data has it that even people that have recently graduated college, are holding off on marraige, having kids, and buying a house.

THAT... was a major part of the American Dream.

They've held off because they have calculated how long to get out of debt, compared to their child-bearing years. And they lose...

There are a number of people here who seem to ask, "Why's everybody angry?"

I suggest that the above situation is why... if you ain't angry, you ain't paying attention.

[JoePhilly]

97. I held off on marriage, having kids, buying a house.

And I'm in my 50s.

My son is 23.

My parents were afraid that I would not do as well as they did ... its something all parents worry about.

As for my level of anger ... I guess that where we differ is that I target my anger at the GOP ... you, and some others around here, don't seem to have their anger targeted in that direction.

[WillyT]

102. Oh... GOP First... No Doubt...

By I have anger for more that just the GOP.

[JoePhilly]

103. Not how it appears.

[WillyT]

114. Seriously Joe... I Expect To Get Stabbed In The Back By Republicans/RightWingers...

But to me personally, it's a greater crime to get stabbed in the back by a supposed friend.

I hate the GOP universally, but I will always have my eye out for our own trying to sell us down the river. Been burned before...

In it's own strange way, I can forgive Republicans for being universally global assholes...

Certain Dems... Not so much.

[bettyellen]

141. So your emotions are ore important than the 94% policy vote alignment Clinton shares with Bernie?

That's not so helpful- but catapult the propaganda, dude.

[Docreed2003]

129. As a 37 yr old dad of 3...

...the oldest being 14, I can assure you that your assessment is correct. We worry about paying for college for our kids, and it's coming sooner than we'd like. Hell, we're still paying student loan debt and paying for food on the table and a house over our heads. We're lucky, my profession has blessed me with an exceptional salary, but many of our friends aren't as lucky. Many of them are working their asses off just to make ends meet and feel like the entire political process means less than nothing in their lives. I know you're a Sanders supporter, as am I, and I hope you can see where I and others of my generation are coming from and why we support sanders. Interesting aside, we have an annual family reunion at Thanksgiving every year. Politics always seems to come up and myself and the cousins my age were discussing the current candidates, both GOP and Dem, bear in mind these are not political fiends and come from conservative and liberal points of view. Of the ten people discussing the primary, the only candidate that every single person agreed on was Bernie Sanders. Why? Because we each appreciated his honesty and believed he would work for the things he was running on. I'm sure someone will come along to pooh-pooh my anecdotal story but I've seen it elsewhere as well. We are at a crossroads in this country...whether we wish to admit it or not...

[WillyT]

133. No Pooh-Pooh Here... I Think You Should Make It An OP !!!

Thank you for that... truly.

And yeah... there is a whole lot of denial this time around.

Blessings to you and yours.

[Docreed2003]

140. Thanks Willy

[WillyT]

138. And Welcome To DU, Docreed2003 !!!

Glad ta have ya aboard !!!





And thanks once again.

[Jester Messiah]

308. So bootstrappy... [nt]

[jeff47]

164. Ask GenX.

The older half of us tend to be teabaggers though, so watch out for spittle if you do ask.

The younger half was not required to form a winning coalition in the 90s, and we had different priorities from the Boomers and WWII generation in that coalition. The party didn't bother juggling that divide because we were a small generation, and "who else you gonna vote for?"

Then when it came time to enact various bargains to show just how bipartisan Democrats were, GenX priorities were the ones bargained away. We weren't part of the coalition the party was supporting.

This has resulted in very long term political apathy, since both parties really did not give a damn about what we cared about. But hey, let's talk about raising the retirement age for everyone after Boomers again. I'm sure that'll fix it!

Anyway, younger GenX is what the party gets when they ignore "the kids". There are now more millennials than boomers, and that's only going to get worse as boomers leave the voting poll (except in Chicago). Disrespect them at your own peril.

[WillyT]

205. Great Post !!!

I'm a Boomer... yet still a Liberal.

I will have your back.

[aidbo]

208. 21st century digital boy.

[dflprincess]

73. I suppose that will depend on if they feel they can trust the nominee

not to sell their futures to Wall Street.

I doubt that dire predictions about the Supreme Court will be enough to scare them into voting.

[JoePhilly]

79. Then they'll get the future they deserve.

Whatever Trump, Cruz, or Rubio and the GOP decides that should be.

[dflprincess]

107. If the nominee is Hillary it's up to her to gain their trust and support

and just saying "Trust me." probably won't cut it.

[Jester Messiah]

306. My guess would be that they stay home.

They won't be motivated if the candidate doesn't excite them. Negative motivation, or "look what happens if we lose" doesn't have sufficient impact. They tend to need to "fall in love".

[JoePhilly]

307. Then they'll get the future they deserve.

And then maybe they'll learn that sometimes, Love hurts.

[Jester Messiah]

309. Or we could moot the whole issue and put up a candidate for whom they'll turn out.

Just, you know... thinking out loud here...

[JoePhilly]

311. Actually, you don't know they'll turn out only for Bernie.

The reality is that they should turn out in the primaries for whichever candidate they prefer, and then, they should turn out again in the General, whether their candidate wins the primary or not.

That's what the rest of us grown-ups are going to do.

[Jester Messiah]

312. I've got some gray in my beard too, Joe.

And I think your concept of reality is bullshit. I'm not claiming to "know" they'll only turn out for Bernie, it just seems like that's the safe bet. There is certainly a percentage of them for whom that is true; and not only of them I might add. Also, there's no need to even take the risk, except for the dogged insistence by your faction that Hillary must be the nominee come hell or high water. You would expose all of us to needless risk for your damned stupid pride.

[yeoman6987]

61. If true, then he should win the nomination and general

Time will tell soon.

[The Second Stone]

64. If I was 18, I would have supported the plainest speaking liberal out there

and in fact I did. I was young and foolish. People like me, by voting for Anderson as a liberal Republican running as a third party liberal, splitting the vote of liberals for Carter, helped elect Ronald Reagan. I recognize that as a mistake and will not repeat it. I will vote for the party nominee, be it Sen. Sanders or Sen. Clinton. I will do so enthusiastically with the hope of victory. I will not vote third party and split the liberal vote ever again.

[gordyfl]

130. In 1980 I Voted for John Anderson

I had voted for John Anderson, as well.

I voted for Ted Kennedy in the Democratic Primary. I was against Carter because of the way he played politics with the hostages. The way he refused to debate Kennedy. Hiding in the Rose Garden.

I wasn't going to vote Reagan because I didn't trust him.

Thank goodness there was a third option.

Since then, I've grown to like Jimmy Carter. I admire the things he did since leaving the White House. And Reagan did some good things in office that surprised me. So you never know.

However, John Anderson had no bearing on the final election count. At least I voted my conscience.

Electoral Votes:

Reagan: 489

Carter: 49

Anderson: 0

Percent:

Reagan: 51%

Carter: 41%

Anderson: 6%

[The Second Stone]

187. Anderson didn't spoil the reelection directly like Perot and Nader

did, but the principle is there.

I didn't care for Kennedy as a candidate, and I wasn't upset with Carter for refusing to debate him. He had no business challenging the incumbent in his party. Nor did I fault him for the hostages. I was just young and didn't like him. Probably bought into the propaganda that I would now dismiss as bullshit. Overall, I know think Carter is one of the finest human beings he could possibly be and was a good President.

[Bluenorthwest]

261. 'Reagan did good things' is where we part ways. I cut my political adult molars protesting his

deadly ignorance and bigotry, sounding the alarm Reagan ignored. For 7 years that piece of right wing shit refused to so much as acknowledge the AIDS crisis, his Press Sec joked about it once or twice and they all laughed but Ronnie said nothing and no action was taken until over 30,000 Americans had died. This month, December 2015, well over 100,000 people will die from AIDS, mostly in Africa at this point but far too many all over the world.
Good things? Not really. Union busting, drug warring, AIDS denying racist.
I voted for Jimmy Carter. Then I protested Reagan with all my might.

[gordyfl]

356. One Good Move by Reagan

Yea, you're right. Reagan was not good for the working class. He surrounded himself with Wall Street advisors. He lead the way in union busting. (Wasn't he a union rep in Hollywood?) He ignored the AIDS crisis.

Although I disagreed with most of his decisions, Reagan did pull our troops out of Beirut, even though it was the unpopular thing to do at the time.

Heck, I consider Bush the worst president of my lifetime, but he did remove our military bases out of Saudi Arabia (to a neighboring country), which I thought was a wise thing to do. Sadly, he did this after he began war with Iraq.

[PoliticalMalcontent]

65. Great post, gobears!

Always nice to see people so excited about politics. Spread that enthusiasm and remember to caucus! Hell, bring your friends if you can.

[Kalidurga]

68. This is why I trust real life more than the polls.

When word on the street says someone is ahead in the hearts and minds of the people that person usually wins, even if the polls say otherwise.

[slipslidingaway]

70. Hearing the same thing from my 24 year old son, thanks. n/t

[zentrum]

71. Scary.

I keep running into this again and again in people under 30.

I support Bernie too, but please know—you have to vote for any Democrat over any Republican for President.

The last Republican didn't protect us from 9/11, lied us into a deadly war, left us with a destroyed economy, and a conservative court that's against workers and for the oligarchs.

Please register and vote and make sure all your friends do too. If for no other reason than that we cannot bear 4 to 8 years of a Republican climate science denier.

[Orrex]

72. The exit poll data will indeed be interesting.

[retrowire]

80. Here here my fellow 20 something!

27 here.

I've never EVER spoken to a pro Hillary person outside of DU, nor have I seen any pro Hillary paraphernalia in my area. All Bernie.

The media is lying.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

258. I haven't seen any Hillary paraphenalia that I recall, but I also live in a red area.

Besides Bernie stuff, all I've seen around here is for Trump or Carson. On edit, racking my brains, I think I might have seen one Hillary sticker somewhere.

[Maedhros]

299. Of course the media is lying - that's what they are paid to do.

Hillary's campaign is all about manufacturing the perception of strength through repeated assertion in the media.

[w0nderer]

82. i'm an old fart

45
but you know i know mostly bernie fans in my age group and social crowd (both working poor and tech workers)

here is a question though to you gobears10
how many of your buddies /generation have land lines, cause that's where the main polls are done?

i know in my generation and social group not many have a land line
we have cells and internet


nice to see next gen kicking ass!

[MeNMyVolt]

83. Hmm. No replies in more than an hour. Interesting.

And the Bears don't play till Sunday.

[jeff47]

89. There were 71 replies in the hour before your post. (nt)

[MeNMyVolt]

96. I was talking about the OP. nt

[jeff47]

110. Why were you operating under the assumption that it's unusual for that to happen? (nt)

[MeNMyVolt]

117. Because, Jeff, folks usually do an OP and then reply to the replies.

Unless you're spamming, trolling, or doing a Will Pitt.

[jeff47]

120. No, that happens about half the time.

It is not at all uncommon for an OP to not respond to replies.

[MeNMyVolt]

121. Don't think you would do that.

At least, not the Jeff47 I used to read.

[jeff47]

123. I'm not every poster on DU. (nt)

[pnwmom]

86. Just guessing you're a guy. The young women I know are split among the candidates. n/t

[JonLeibowitz]

199. Why would you guess that? Is it the red rose in their signature?

Or is it because it fits a preconceived notion that Sanders supporter = Male ? Really, I'm interested in knowing how you deduced that.

At best this is circular reasoning.

[pnwmom]

203. The OP doesn't know anyone who supports Hillary.

And Bernie's strongest support comes from young males.

So, yes, it's a preconceived notion, but not an illogical one. And hasn't been disputed by the OP.

[JonLeibowitz]

204. I see what you are saying, but if you apply that logic to all posters who come here, even if...

many are women you'll still conclude that all these women are males to fit the narrative. Not saying it may not be generally true, but in this case there is some reason to suspect the OP is a woman (the rose).

FWIW, I know no women who support Hillary. Yes, I am young.

[pnwmom]

206. What rose?

Oh -- you said signature. I don't see signatures anymore because I couldn't stand seeing those crawling bugs everywhere. So I blocked all of them.

[JTFrog]

88. My 23 and 24 year old sons and their friends are O'Malley fans.

They say that Bernie just reminds them of an angry old man. "Why does he always yell and look so angry."

I don't agree with them about Bernie, but that's what they said while watching the debates with us.

[Duppers]

226. Talk to them.

They need to understand the issues above appearances. But I like O'Malley a lot too.

Make sure they vote.

[gordyfl]

100. Hillary Supporters are Conservative Democrats

In my neck of the woods women for Bernie seem to have a slight edge. Women following Hillary are usually around 60 and over and are content following headline news. Bernie supporters are all ages and follow politics more closely. Issues are more important to Benie supporters. "Looking presidential" is very important to the Hillary supporters. The Hillary supporters I know are actually conservative Democrats, although they won't admit to it.

[dlwickham]

172. not all of are conservatives

[pnwmom]

207. She has especially high support among minority voters, African Americans

and Latinos, who don't consider themselves to be conservative anythings.

But I guess they don't count -- at least not from your point of view.

[redstateblues]

104. When I was 23 everybody I knew voted for McGovern

I still can't believe Nixon won!

[mwrguy]

128. Yup

[merrily]

108. Good to know!

[Autumn]

113. You young people are wonderful. Fight for what you need and believe in

and don't ever settle. It's going to be your future and your world. Do it the way you want, if the party doesn't like it they can lead, follow or get the fuck out of your way.

[Kablooie]

118. I'm 64 and most liberals I know also find Bernie more aligned with their views.

They plan to vote for him but few expect him to get the nomination.
expectations are based on experience and traditionally the most liberal candidates don't get nominated.

But the Republican side may break all expectations and nominate a flashy incompetent so expectations on our side might break into new territory too. We'll just have to wait and see.

[bettyellen]

124. So, it's very likely they will end up not voting? Same as it's been all too long. Thanks kids....

and be sure to ignore the midterms as you always do. Grrrrrrrrr.

[slipslidingaway]

148. We need to encourage their political involvement ...

my son's friends are encouraged by Sanders.

Will they get out there to vote for Hillary? I know the answer to one candidate, not so sure about the other candidate as they are not inspired for a variety of reasons.

[bettyellen]

340. It's discouraging, as much as they came out for Obama- no one followed up on the mid terms...

which we desperately needed. There is a huge disconnect about the work involved, I know it;s not as sexy as the presidential, but they get you know where if you don't stay involved.

[MrMickeysMom]

126. You have better social media now, gobears....

... and a lot better handle of the world, due to it.

I believe you and yours will prove that people no longer are growing up in a bubble.

[upaloopa]

136. Your generation has it harder than mine did when it comes to economic success.

The old work hard and you will get ahead isn't working for a lot of people.

I am 69 and have been homeless and am doing ok now.

One thing I could offer is that you have to keep trying things. Don't give up.

I get called a conservative for saying things like that but actions do have consequences. Sometimes they are good consequences.

But inaction has consequences too.

Vote for Bernie if you believe in him but don't rely only on that to make life better.

[JEB]

137. 63 years old and I'm with you 100%.

[Live and Learn]

144. That has been my experience while campaigning for Bernie.

The millennials are coming out in droves to support him and are really excited about him. Go millennials and go Bernie!

[Doctor_J]

150. I can't believe this fact is lost on the Clintons, Clintonistas, party big shots

They must just not care.

[Scuba]

156. I'm 67 years old, and no liberal I know my age is supporting HRC. They are Bernie fans.

I'm not surprised either.

[MaggieD]

267. Well I'm 55 and I only know one Bernie supporter

Unfortunately for Bernie she's a UK citizen and can't vote for him.

[YOHABLO]

173. Well I think you are an exception, it's hard to get the 20somethings to go and vote.

I guess too busy with social media. I know, take your iphones with you to the voting precinct.

[Arugula Latte]

175. The Millennials I know are the same way.

My kids and their friends love Bernie and can barely stand Hillary.

[PatrynXX]

186. I'm 40

I have a very LONG memory.. Some of Reagan mostly Bush Sr on forward. Most voters have a very SHORT memory. I think Hillary counts on this especially with that supporter of hers coming to our door today. Good God she just totally ignored me. Never seen a supporter so cold before. SMH get the feeling alot of doors were shut on her face today... if I actually owned the house I probably would have done something a bit nicer but get cold as ice , I give cold water back.

[avaistheone1]

191. I am a female boomer and I think it is great that the millenials are supporting Bernie.

Bernie Sanders rally, Seattle

[Beacool]

200. Vote for the candidate of your choice.

I will vote for mine.

Let the chips fall where they may.

[aidbo]

210. Lettuce

[StevieM]

337. Great to see you, Bea!! Where have you been? (eom)

[Beacool]

342. Hi, Stevie.

I come here once in a while. I read nonsense about Hillary on other sites, I don't need to read it here. Some are just RW talking points.

Why waste my time arguing with these folks?

[vadermike]

202. well

If our Dems dont all come out and vote for the nominee if it is gonna be Hillary . then we will have a R president , simple as that.. can u imagine an all R congress supreme court etc for a generation? UGH.. i just hope that we Dems can unite by election time , regardless of our nominee.. otherwise the results will be horrendous and cant really be reversed ugh

[Jamaal510]

209. I'm 25 and prefer O'Malley (and would've loved to see Biden run)

but I have no problems voting for either HC or BS in the GE. While I have had some differences with HC in the past and with BS more recently regarding the TPP and his campaign approach, I still am OK with them overall. The way I see it, they all have their own tactics of how they intend to set forth an overall progressive agenda, and I'd rather get some of what I want than nothing at all with the GOP. BS is more of an economics guy and has arguably the most progressive economic platform, while HC seems more balanced between economics, social issues, and foreign policy. There's something to like about both. The catch is that they need people around our age to vote more often in off-year elections instead of just every 4 years. It's on us to do our homework on the issues and the candidates and pay attention to what's going on, and not fall for cynicism and hopelessness. We've seen what happened with Obama when turnout was low in 2010. A president Bernie can't deliver on Medicare for all with a Republican-led Congress, and a president Hillary can't deliver on gun control under the same circumstances.

[flamingdem]

212. I hope ya'll vote for the Democratic candidate

regardless of who gets the nom.

If not then I am notching my opinion of millenials down some more. It's one thing to be idealistic, which I applaud, it's another thing to act entitled and oblivious. Not that we didn't see this kind of thing before but I'm concerned. I did gotv at the community college and people had very little interest in elections. That's how Republicans win.

[slipslidingaway]

222. Essentially you want the millenials to conform to the candidate that the party selects ...

but one that is not their first choice. For decades we have been singing the same song while ignoring the people, it is all about who the party puts forward and who the media covers.

It is plain as day, Obama was criticized by the corporate media, BUT they kept his name front and center all the time. They had a nice little show in the debates between Clinton and Obama and Edwards, see you had a choice of candidates that were willing to play along ... now select one.

We are now witnessing a distaste for establishment candidates, especially on the Repub side. But the DNC did not hold the first debate until after voters in NY state had to register to vote in the primary, very Democratic of them to introduce the other candidates after it was too late for millions of voters.

Sorry the millennials are making choices based on issues, they are excited for a candidate that speaks to what is important to them, but they are much less enthused when told to vote for a candidate they distrust. That is not acting entitled, many are smart and know the difference.

I am happy to have two children who do not always conform to the establishment rules, if we want their votes then we need to give them a reason to vote for a candidate, so far they like Sanders and they are much less aligned to a team.

I will not fault them for not complying and voting for the Dem nominee, they might or they might not for the nominee, that is their choice. As a parent my job is to instill curiosity and not wave a flag for one party or the other, we can discuss the pros and cons, but it is their decision.

What the Democratic Party should be doing is offering choices and discussing issues, instead they have silenced debate.

[senz]

215. Your generation is the hope of the future, gobears10.

Stay strong, stay good.

I wonder what the 24-year old Bernie Sanders would have thought if anyone could have told him that he would be an inspiration to 20-somethings fifty years in the future.

What an amazing destiny.

[darkangel218]

228. +1

[Betty Karlson]

220. You could be 33 years old (like me) and have the same feelings and experiences.

Clinton enthousiasm is for the above 40 and above 250.000 a year crowds. Anti-establishment sentiment is boiling - and it looks for a way to express itself.

[cantbeserious]

223. When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go

eom

[Duppers]

227. My 28yo son is for Bernie

All the way, as are most of his friends.

[themonster]

229. Keep believing

I'm glad there are young people like yourself who believe in the things that you mentioned. It makes me hopeful for the future. I like Bernie but if Hillary ends up winning the nomination, I hope you won't stay at home and let the Republicans win the Presidency. The Republicans are against what you believe in. Hillary is FOR the things that you mentioned.

[djean111]

240. "Hillary is FOR the things that you mentioned." - only during her campaign, IMO.

And that is the opinion of my 20 YO grandson and his friends. They scour the internet, they do not listen to campaign stuff.

[Doctor_J]

297. What a silly post

We're also very anti-drug war, pro-marijuana legalization, sick of war, support single-payer healthcare, support making colleges tuition and debt free, support dramatically reducing student debt, are pro-labor unions, pro-worker cooperatives, and pro-racial, LGBT, and gender justice.

No she's not

[SmittynMo]

231. Please continue your support with all of your friends

Reach out to as may as you can. We needs 90% participation in your age group to turn this thing around. It is up to us to help spread the word.

[treestar]

232. the polls show you are outnumbered

what does age matter? Older people vote.

[Sancho]

235. There is plenty of data: younger voters don't register or vote.

http://www.electproject.org/home/voter-turnout/demographics

https://www.census.gov/prod/2014pubs/p20-573.pdf

http://www.nonprofitvote.org/documents/2013/09/america-goes-to-the-polls-2012-voter-participation-gaps-in-the-2012-presidential-election.pdf

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/05/08/six-take-aways-from-the-census-bureaus-voting-report/

3. Youth voter turnout rates also declined from 2008 to 2012, contrary to initial reports based on the national Election Day exit polls, which had shown the youth voter turnout rate holding steady. According to the Census Bureau report, the turnout rate among 18-to 24-year olds fell to 41.2% in 2012 from 48.5% in 2008. (Most of the post-election analysis of the youth vote focused on 18- to 29-year-olds and showed no change in voter turnout rates between 2008 and 2012; the Census Bureau report only provides an analysis for those ages 18 to 24 years.) The turnout rates of adults ages 65 and older rose—to 71.9% in 2012 from 70.3% in 2008, according to the Census Bureau report.

[workinclasszero]

305. Its a statistical fact

But its BS's last hope that the mythical 18 to 24 year olds who hardly ever vote in any elections much less primaries, will descend en masse to the local voting precinct and save him.

Dreams die hard I guess.

2016 Iowa Presidential Caucuses are in 61 days.......

[Sancho]

310. Not to mention all the registration roadblocks states have put in place.

I was on a college campus trying recently. Many don't have documents (birth certificates, etc.), can't vote except at their home precinct instead of their college campus, etc., etc.

Regular folks have trouble getting to vote now. The young just give up even if they try.

[workinclasszero]

315. You have to be pretty committed to vote

It is a hassle and republicans with a big assist from SCOTUS are going to make it even harder in the general.

Its way way harder than clicking an online poll that's for damn sure LOL

[Android3.14]

237. Here's the thing to notice

As I've observed this too often mean-spirited fight in the primary, the same dozen or so HRC supporters drag out the same tired tactics, crash around a thread in the same ineffectual manner, and never engage in any true debate. They don't defend their candidate's behavior, votes, financial sources or mealy-mouthed "promises".

Sanders, however, gains new voices every day. Not just newbies either. They point to his independence, his ethical leadership and numerous votes to support progressive commonsense policy. I see people who have stayed out of the GD-P until now breaking towards Sanders and voicing it with enthusiasm and optimism.

If Bernie wins the primary, we see a landslide and real change in a Democratic USA. If Clinton continues to force herself down the throats of the Democratic Party, we might have her as Chief Executive, but nothing else changes and we have 4-8 years of Benghazi/email/whatever bullshit maintaining Republican hatred and paralyzing us in a time when we must be taking action to address countless looming disasters.

[Enthusiast]

239. Kicked and recommended to the Max!

[BeanMusical]

241. Wonderful post.

[pengu]

243. You should have heard them at my thanksgiving

5 younger voters. All 5 supported Bernie in the primary. Only one was willing to vote for Clinton in the general. Her only argument was the supreme court. She was willing to hold her nose. That's it. One will hold their nose. The other 4 were all "Hell no. Never."

Nominate Clinton and we're going to lose.

[Darb]

246. Very suspicious, anecdotal argument.

Just so you know, if I were a bagger troll, I would probably be tacking the same way. I do not believe that they want Hillary to be nominated because she will dominate those misogynist pigs on their side. So, they would try to defeat her in the primary. I am not saying that you are one of them so relax. Why don't you just promote your guy?

[pengu]

248. What do I care what you think about me?

Welcome to ignore.

[LexVegas]

244. Don't forget pro-guns. nt

[Laser102]

245. My Granddaughter is 23. Big Hillary fan. So are most of her friends. She votes.

[yellowwoodII]

247. Old Ass School Marms

I don't know whom those poll-takers ask, but almost all of the Democratic school marms I know Like Bernie Sanders. You know we're mothers and grandmothers, too, and we remember that Hillary voted for the Iraq War and Bernie didn't. If she didn't know better, it says something about her judgment. If she did know better, it was immoral.

But yes, we vote. If Hillary is the candidate, I'll probably have to vote for her because the Republican candidate will be so much worse, but I will hate to vote for her.

As far as voting for her "because she is a woman candidate," I could not care less. Silly.

[MaggieD]

252. I thought socialism was ok when I was a kid too

But then I got older and realized it wasn't. Still don't think I ever could have been persuaded to vote for a one note Charlie with an abysmal record of never getting things done. Never would have voted for a pro gunner either.

My son is 23 and very politically aware (probably because he grew up with an activist Mom - I used to take him to political meetings where he'd do his homework while we planned and strategized). He'd be happy with any of the Dems running.

His friends don't seem to care. To them politics in uncool. Which basically mirrors my peers when I was his age.

[sibelian]

256. Socialism is the philosophical basis of Universal Health Care.

I think you need to go and find out something about socialism.

I find your post totally unconvincing, incidentally. The idea of an activist abandoning socialism as a concept is nonsensical.

[MaggieD]

259. Well you're wrong again

You're not required to be a socialist to engage in activism. In fact the vast, vast majority of liberal political activists are not socialists. That's just something you have constructed in your head. It's far from reality.

But I do get a kick out of DU for that reason. People here seem to think posting here makes them "activists" but it doesn't. Being a keyboard warrior doesn't count. To be an actual activist you have to actually act.

[harun]

264. Bernies rural constituency has had a say in Bernies Gun Policy

How about Hillary's constituency having a say in her pro war vote and Iraq policy?

Think about that.

[MaggieD]

266. Her constituents....

Were overwhelmingly in favor of the Iraq war. So if that is Bernie's excuse for being pro gun I suppose it works the same for Clinton. Right?

[UglyGreed]

262. Kick

[harun]

263. Bernie is the bait for your type, HRC the switch

Where young people going to go, Ted Cruz?

[UglyGreed]

268. Kick for Trumad

[NYCButterfinger]

269. Millennials should not be allowed to serve in the military

If they don't want war. It should be for people over the age of 40. Millennials need to get the hell out of the Armed Forces. They don't belong there.

[Gothmog]

278. I have a 23 year old daughter and a 28 year old daughter voting for Clinton

[marym625]

279. K&R!

I know many Millennials. Not one supports Hillary Clinton

[book_worm]

280. Interesting. It contradicts many polls that show

that while Bernie does best among young voters that Hillary actually leads among them.

[RandySF]

281. You are probably living in a "bubble"

People are typically drawn to the like-minded.

[in_cog_ni_to]

283. Well done you! My son is 22, his girlfriend is 21 and ALL their friends at college are also

Voting for Bernie. Millennials WILL (bless your hearts) be the ones to get Bernie elected. Though, the 3 baby boomers and 1 Greatest Generation in this house are all voting for Bernie. I have yet to see anyone/hear of anyone that supports Clinton. I have had people approach me and compliment me on my Bernie buttons and have seen numerous Bernie bumper stickers - zero Clinton stickers. Bernie's support runs deep across generations! THREE generations in my family alone.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Dr Hobbitstein]

295. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. nt

[Gamecock Lefty]

300. We Old Timers . . .

. . . are gonna crush you millennials like a bug at the polls!!!

[mdbl]

302. ROFL!

I am an old timer and that made me laugh.

[DinahMoeHum]

303. Question for you, from a fellow Sanders supporter. . .

What will you and your friends do IF it becomes clear by July 2016 that Bernie Sanders will not win the nomination and HRC will?

1) Pissing and moaning is not an option.

2) Staying home and not voting in the general election is not an option.

3) Writing in candidates or voting for 3rd-party or "vanity" candidates in the general election
is NOT. AN. OPTION.

Bernie Sanders himself has said that should he not win the nomination, he will whole-heartedly support whoever IS the Democratic nominee. Even if it is Hillary Clinton.

Will you and your friends do the same?

The stakes are way too high in 2016 to do otherwise.

[DebbieCDC]

313. This makes me happy to hear

[Zorra]

314. You millennial kids rock, and are welcome to hang out on my lawn. nt

[Truprogressive85]

316. Good ! The young voters see who on their side

I find it laughable that there are people in here saying the youth dont show to polls ?

So in 08 the youth did not show up ?
Are some of you saying Obama's victory both in the primaries and general the youth did not make histroy?

The youth dont show up to mid term elections because DNC runs shitty candidates that are play centrist bull!

[ecstatic]

317. So... if Hillary gets the nomination, are you going to sit out

the election?

[broadcaster75201]

320. I'm 69 and same here. Having said that ...

we all agree that if it is Hillary we will vote for her. But in the meantime,we are working overtime for Bernie. We will do the same for Hillary if need be.

[malthaussen]

321. But do you vote?

Voter apathy is the major problem with getting things done in this country. When Congress has 90% disapproval, yet over 90% are re-elected because no one shows up, that is a problem. Of course, it would also be nice if the voters were offered a real choice...

(Not you, personally, of course, but the demo to which you belong is not exactly politically active)

-- Mal

[crim son]

327. I have a 22 year old and a 24 year old and they've said the same thing.

We old farts can be critical of today's young people but I find myself impressed by those I encounter. Smart people, you millennial liberals, with a healthy distrust for the Establishment.

[MisterP]

328. and before the party elitists yell about "young people costing us votes," try running someone

everyone doesn't recoil from in disgust next time

[azmom]

329. My 20 year old and her college friends

Are big Bernie supporters. My relatives who consist of Latinos and African-Americans are all in for Bernie also, except for one.

[dixiegrrrrl]

332. I am hearing same in my family.........n/t

[MineralMan]

335. How large is your circle of acquaintances, I wonder?

That would be a useful piece of data.

[billhicks76]

336. I'm Much Older

And everyone I know is supporting Bernie too.

[Jeb Bartlet]

349. You also don't

show up to vote so your concerns are dismissed. The only time 18-25 year olds show up is in a Presidential election and even then they only account for a few percentage points.

"Not surprising that we're picking the progressive in this race, Bernie Sanders, over the establishment candidate. "

Not surprising that it won't matter one bit.

[Arkana]

355. And that's your choice.

I do hope that you'll vote for the Democratic nominee if it isn't Bernie Sanders, however.

[Blue_Tires]

358. The proof will be in the pudding

and we'll see how many of these snowflake millennials will be bothered to get their asses to the polls on election day... It's not like a whole lot of you showed up in '14...

FWIW, it's pretty dangerous to speak for the politics of even a small demographic, much less an entire generation...