2016 Postmortem
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@danmericaCNN Dan did you even have a question about the problems facing the community in Balt. did you even care about the greater context
@danmericaCNN Have you not wondered whether the concerns in Baltimore are worth even paying attention to or even write down what was said?
@danmericaCNN You didn't even give a passing mention to poverty in Balt. in your story. I'm almost certain you weren't paying attention and
@danmericaCNN were just waiting to ask an ISIS question because they asked not to in hopes to get a "gotcha moment"
@danmericaCNN I know you don't like having to be "stuck" with covering Bernie, but could you attempt being a quality journalist regardless
@danmericaCNN so he visits Baltimore for specific issue, and your article is based on him not wanting to talk about something else..
@danmericaCNN Wasn't this about Baltimore & issues facing communities of color? Sorry it doesnt fit ur agenda of 24/7 fear mongering
MariaV @MariaVieito 53m53 minutes ago
@danmericaCNN Can you report something about #BLM from the BLM press conference or are you too busy throwing a tantrum about ISIS?
From MSNBC's Discussion Board under their "testy" story:
@Kooool_Kev
The fear mongers use ISIS as the focus of their cowboy diplomacy but rising income inequality/poverty, climate change, racism and US empire building will do more to radicalize people around the globe than Islamic extremism.
Sanders is right. Politicians want everybody to be distracted and afraid. That way we will not focus on the fact that Americans are getting screwed by big money special interests!
Trevor Lucius
Wow. It's no surprise, but still disappointing at how hard MSNBC is pushing for Hillary. Editorializing much? I wish Bernie could get the kind of favorable headlines and stories that Hillary gets from a "progressive" news outlet, but we all know that's not how this will play out. MSNBC is the FOX News of the Democratic Party.
Drake Richter
What a lame headline. Even the content of the article fails to support it. Only a complete idiot would fault Sanders for maintaining his focus - you have to prioritize. You don't just drop everything and stop fixing deeply, horrifically damaging social and economic systems that have scarred this country to its core to go 'fight the terrorists'. You do goddamn both, because we can.
The media is totally and entirely besotted with TERRORISM. It is ALL they want to talk about. The vanishing middle class means nothing to them, doesn't even enter their radar screen. I for one am getting just a LITTLE tired of this garabage.
Bernie is absolutely right and the headline writer/article writers are dead wrong to suggest that he isn't. The fact that Bernie isn't buying into corporate media's sensationalist bull@!$%# is a Good thing. The fact that corporate media is more concerned with ratings than with informing the public is a bad thing.
I think their stories are backfiring on them.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I started a thread on it. So, at the very least make this viral.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I'll get it out on Twitter.
People need to see that he did NOT throw a tantrum and had the full support of the pastors and community leaders who were there to talk about police corruption, black communities and poverty - not ISIS.
Honestly, the ONLY people who talk more about ISIS than what's going on in their own communities are the M$M and the GOP. Fear! Fear! Fear! Terror! Terror! Terror!
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)If Hillary supporters think this is a terrible thing they should also work hard at making it viral. I dare them, make my day.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128081407
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I'll think of something clever to position it.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Are you on there? If so DM me.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)know how you feel instead of taking days to write a letter to the editor that may or may not get published.
Maybe you've heard of it.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)They are internet warriors you know.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)So unlike them.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)a Bernie fan and I know that because of their avatar. That would be the "Katie" one from the CNN Twitter feed.
All the rest, I have no clue. They don't have Bernie avatars, nor do they point out if they're supporting him.
Read their quotes: they are pointing out that the press fear mongers and is trying to spin this as though Sanders blew a fuse. They are and he didn't.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)why not just leave alone with 'not truthful in any way' opinions?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)...as if there is a huge ground swell.
I speak out when I feel like it and on topics I feel like speaking out on. Some of those topics, are hillarious in their attempt to be serious.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)More so than the average story.
But, the point of my thread is that the media is TRYING to make this into something it wasn't. He wasn't testy. He didn't throw a temper tantrum and he pointed out that he has talked about ISIS, but today the focus was on that community. If the M$M has a license to drive a certain a less-than-accurate narrative, I certainly have a license to inflate a groundswell. At least I backed my position up with the actual comments instead of writing a clever narrative without posting the actual footage that shows he did NOT act they way they said.
msongs
(67,453 posts)obsolete
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)The point is the media is making a mountain out of a molehill on that one question about ISIS that he's answered before.
The meeting and the press conference were about black communities, poverty and corrupt police departments.
I bet MONEY if Sanders was meeting with Muslim leaders about how to combat extremists, not ONE reporter would ask about poverty.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)covers poverty to such an extend that they hardly ever talk about anything else....
Is this really necessary?
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)really important things like Kim Kardashian's butt or the negligible amount of terrorism there actually is in the United States for all the media's CONSTANT talk of the poor!
One of the report's conclusions was that media organizations chose not to cover poverty because it was potentially uncomfortable to advertisers seeking to reach a wealthy consumer audience. As Barbara Ehrenreich, who contributes articles on social issues for Time Magazine, put it:
They don't want really depressing articles about misery and hardship near their ads.
Poverty coverage is seen as non-lucrative, time-consuming and involves high levels of commitment that editors are unwilling to give their reporters in this age of newsroom budget tightening. The greatest irony, however, is that poverty, as Tampa Bay Times media critic, Eric Deggans, told The Nieman Foundation for Journalism at Harvard earlier this year "is in some ways the ultimate accountability story because, often, poverty happens by design".
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/05/american-media-ignores-poverty-issues
(I had to go to a BRITISH newspaper to even find stats on the media's lack of covering the issue).
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)constituents and it was met with their approval. The media is wrong and the people know it.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Media time. Thank you Bernie for bringing awareness.
That first one, if that is really him in his avatar (one never knows) is a African American. He really took CNN to task. I only posted part of his comments. He was angered and, given what his community likely goes through, he has a right.
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)Yes, America's main concern is how the press treats Bernie.
I seem to rembember when BLM activists were thrown under the bus if they interrupted Bernie. Now the AA community is okay -- if they are deferential to Bernie's image while the press dares to do their job and ask him a.question about current events.
"America" bow down to Bernie!
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)The comments were primarily about how the media fear mongers and doesn't discuss the things most Americans care about: like poverty, the safety of their communities, etc. There were a few defending Bernie, but the ones I chose out of literally hundreds were primarily about how lame the media is.
You are more likely to die of poverty than from a terrorist attack and smart Americans - yes "Americans" - know this.
Honestly.
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)that he can't handle taking questions so his supporters will pit minority issues against terrorism because he can only handle one thing at a time. His image being the Number 1 concern, by far. Sad and pathetic.
ejbr
(5,856 posts)that he wanted any and all news stories from that press conference to be about the tragic state of poverty in America and not about what every other news story is covering on the main page of every paper/web site? He is more than capable of answering questions about ISIS, which he has done already: today was about poverty in America which the status quo loves to ignore in favor of sensationalism.
What is sad and pathetic is how obtuse some people are when it comes to the various ailments of our world. There is suffering outside of ISIS that we should give as much concern and attention to, and if the media wants to flip the script (as they apparently did with the story that was supposed to be about the impoverished), then maybe someone should do what they can to keep them on point.
His image is of no consequence...look at his hair for fuck's sake!
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)about foreign policy questions enough that they've implored the press not to ask about current events. That:s apparently not the first time, either.
be purposefully acting obtuse as your membership on this site would indicate some political sophistication. He wanted to address poverty and only poverty as we seem to ignore this problem as a society.
You can google several instances where he has addressed ISIS should you really want to confirm his ability to do so.
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)Just look at the last debate where he was asked about the Paris attacks and he talked about billionaires instead. He doesn't deviate from his applause lines. It's been widely observed about him for some for time now.
I see you are quite content lying like Hillary does, so as you were.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)ejbr
(5,856 posts)are content with Bernie"s grasp of foreign policy. He also doesn't fabricate stories about sniper fire on foreign soil making him even more credible than others...just sayin'
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)of the poster you called a liar.
ejbr
(5,856 posts)was given as objective, when in fact it was subjective; therefore a lie. And I find it curious Hillary supporters either refuse or are unable to defend the FACTS against her, so instead deflect.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)ejbr
(5,856 posts)Back to Clintons shortcomings...crickets
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)So who exactly is "deflecting". LOL.
This thread is done.
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)You really think it speaks for Americans"??
LMAO. gotta go, this is really a waste.
ejbr
(5,856 posts)to your belief that Bernie declined to address a question about ISIS-- that he wanted the entirety of the press conference to be about the tragedy of poverty in the black community--- then, yes, maybe you should go as YOU seem to be out of your depth. And the reason Clinton was brought up in my reply was to indicate that she is not someone to be trusted in her opinions on anything as she claims she was attacked by snipers when this was a falsehood. Bernie has responded to ISIS (for the umpteenth time), but this FACT seems to go over your head. There are other problems this country faces, even if you nor the media wants us to focus on them.
Oh: and your use of the emoticon of rolling on the floor with laughter does not strengthen your case...FYI
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)and his staff took umbrage about being asked a question about ISIS. And LMAO that there is now a "case".
Stay well.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)It's more than obvious from the hundreds of comments (and not all of them are Bernie supporters, but most are progressives) that most commenters think the media are being asses about this. CNN and MSNBC gave more ink and time to his not answering ONE question about a subject that he has and does discuss than they did about what he learned about poverty and the black community where Freddie Gray was killed.
The media can take one day off - hell even one story off - from talking 24/7 about ISIS and terrorism, for Pete's sake.
Do you even know why he was there? What was he discussing with these pastors and community leaders? Have you looked?
"But today what we're talking about is a community in which half of the people don't have jobs," Sanders said. "We're talking about a community in which there are hundreds of buildings that are uninhabitable."
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)the heart of Baltimore badly. Bernie was there for them. They seemed to appreciate the senator more than they did the media member.
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)Baltimore before? Oh, yeah. He marched with MLK.
It really is a horrible sign of things to come if basic tenets of the Democratic party have to be compromised to prop up Bernie's image. Now it's the AA community vs. Terrorism because Bernie can only handle one thing at a time. Sad and pathetic.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Not my Democratic Party.
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)Sad and pathetic.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Thisll be part of what we do with all the candidates, talk to them about issues relevant to the African-American community and see where they stand, said Rev. Willie Wilson.
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/12/08/bernie-sanders-to-stop-in-baltimore/
Maybe you need to yourself for making it seem as if Bernie imposed himself on their community for his campaign.
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)is your main concern, as BLM was thrown under the bus because they dared to interrupt Bernie. Why else would a simple question about ISIS be forbidden. Foreign policy is not his strong suit, so no questions should be asked. Only what's good for Bernie's image is allowed. Very phony.
And Bernie was promoting his visit yesterday, so he obviously thought it benefitted him.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Based on what? The opinion of Hillary supporters?
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)the Paris attacks and he answered about billionaires. He only talks about his applause lines and cannot adapt to events outside those talking points. This has been widely observed about him for some time now. Yesterday's admonishment to the press to not ask about ISIS only reinforced that.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)I'll go with Bernie.
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)Hillary was a Senator from New York. Bernie couldn't handle New York and fled to a simpler life in Vermont. I'll stick with the individual more able to handle the complexities in life, including basic questions about foreign policy, which is Hillary Clinton.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Great choice.
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)games of The Revolution. The so-called "issues" are really only claims to moral superiority. Ish.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)tazkcmo
(7,302 posts)Spoken like a true elitist. Apparently we veterans are claptrap. Millions of dead Iraqis, claptrap. Trillions wasted on death and destruction, claptrap. It's you and your ilk that is literally killing people across the world. You apparently have the luxury to worry about a mess that your candidate has enabled. Good for you. Most of us have more pressing problems like rent that's over half of our income, cops beating and killing us and our politicians ignoring the problems here at home.
Claptrap. Bullshit.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Chappaqua NY, median household income $163,000 as it is #42 of the 100 richest communities in the US. At 91.8% white is is somewhat less diverse than Burlington Vermont which is 88.9% white just for comparison sake, with a median household income of about $43,000.
Very silly arguments. I'd love to flee to a simpler life in Chappaqua with numerous millions and a large domestic staff. The unmitigated urban challenge of living in an upper crust enclave is the true test of one's mettle in America!
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)Twenty MILLION in New York. I'm sure there are inner city problems in his home state of New York that he could have tackled for all those decades, but he left them behind for a rural state. Now he wants kudos for discovering inner city problems in Baltimore. Kinda phony
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Sax and Violins.
It's easy to live in New York when you're rich.
Response to R B Garr (Reply #74)
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Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Your main concern doesn't concern me.
YOU don't have a clue.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Renew Deal
(81,879 posts)I don't know how they found enough time to stop voting in online polls.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)The comments are mostly about how lame the media is. Not about Bernie, other than to say he was right to keep on the topic at hand.
Renew Deal
(81,879 posts)http://thebernreport.com/times-rejection-of-bernie-sanders-should-be-prompt-outrage
aspirant
(3,533 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)And for good reason too.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)That group seems to want to talk only about terrorism.
Broward
(1,976 posts)and are quick to distribute talking points are likely getting paid for their efforts.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)board only want to talk about terrorists and that they are getting paid for it?
floriduck
(2,262 posts)That's your first mistake.
Bern on, people!
MisterP
(23,730 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)the media is trying to strong arm Bernie into continuing the fear mongering agenda.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Done with their lies and their agenda.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Orrex
(63,225 posts)It's annoying but true: the press will ask what it wants to ask, and what it wants is to generate the most clicks.
Sanders is in a tough spot here. He can't simply eject the "journalists" because then he'd invite comparisons to Trump, and the media would have a field day.
But he can't duck the question, either, or at least he needs to do it more artfully. His supporters will praise his straight-talking dismissal of the question, but for those not on the team it looks petulant and amateurish, and appearances count for a great deal.
If he wants to talk about just one subject of his choosing, then he should keep the press away from his appearances. But if he wants to get his message out there, he has to accept that some questions might not be to his liking, and he'll have tp come up with a response that doesn't simply play to his supporters.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Needs reform. They need to talk about all the issues and not just Trump and ISIS. Poverty in minority communities is a big issue for many Americans. The media has to cover it. Whether they like it or not.
Orrex
(63,225 posts)If the media doesn't like the way that Sanders runs his press conferences, then they'll either ignore him or they'll cover him with increasingly pointed bias.
Who do you think Sanders thinks he is? Do you think that he believes the media will fall in line behind him simply because he's running a firm second place in a three person contest?
You can dig in your heels and demand that the media obey Sanders' wishes, and I'm sure that he'll get a receptive audience of two or three journalists while the other five dozen head back to their offices to write articles about how Sanders is cranky and evasive.
The media is not what you want it to be. Yes, it needs reform, but Sanders isn't going to reform it at the same time he's trying to run his campaign.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Up the media is.
He is not your run of the mill presidential candidate, and we will stand by him and fight along with him. That is how you bring about change. We have to push back and fight. That is what the revolution is about.
Orrex
(63,225 posts)And if he can't think of a better way to respond to the press, then we'll read his brochure again in the future when we're discussion the history of unsuccessful dark horse primary candidates.
If he makes it onto the general ballot, I will absolutely support him 100% and will encourage everyone I know to vote for him. But platitudes ("he's not your run of the mill candidate," "that is how you bring about change," "that is what the revolution is about" aren't going to turn the tide of media coverage, and they aren't going to win him the primary.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Instead of focusing on what they were there to discuss, the media asks one question about ISIS, Bernie said (he didn't yell or pitch a fit) that those pastors and community leaders weren't there to talk about ISIS and we should focus on what they were there to talk about.
That should have been the extent of the reporting.
The narrative should have been about police corruption, the black community there and the poverty they face. Sure, the media could have inserted a paragraph stating that he didn't want to answer that question, but that should NOT have been the main story. It's a completely stupid narrative.
I've seen the video. He wasn't testy or petulant. He's always kind of gruff. That's just who he is. The local reporters covering the event did an excellent job, FWIW, but the national press - who DO know that he's kind of gruff like a billy goat - are the ones who acted like imbeciles.
Here's a good story from the Baltimore Sun:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-sanders-baltimore-20151207-story.html
Notice how they covered it:
But the message was partly overshadowed by a press conference in which reporters tried to press Sanders on the Islamic State. A campaign aide tried to waive reporters off asking about ISIS before Sanders appeared, arguing it was off topic. When a reporter ignored the request, Sanders appeared agitated and ended the press conference.
Bernie Sanders visits Baltimore
"What about ISIS, guys? How often do these people talking about the issues that we talked about today? Of course I'll talk about ISIS," Sanders said. "But today what we're talking about is a community in which half of the people don't have jobs," Sanders said. "We're talking about a community in which there are hundreds of buildings that are uninhabitable."
A paragraph and a quote out of a 21 paragraph story. That's the way it should have been done and more accurately reflects the entire events of the day.
Orrex
(63,225 posts)I've heard his dismissal of the question several times, and anyone who's ever seen media coverage of a campaign event must know that they were going to savage him for it. I simply don't believe that his media adviser gave him the thumbs-up on that. Heck, even the fact that they tried to preemptively discourage certain questions gives the clear impression that they don't know how the media works.
The economy is a nightmare for the poor and the former middle class--this is undeniable, but it's a long term problem. Thanks to the media, a large portion of the population sees ISIS as a real and immediate threat, so Sanders' response to ISIS is more real and immediate than his plan for economic justice, however vital and positive it may turn out to be.
He was in a difficult or impossible position; he had to know that the would ask about ISIS, and he should have had a better answer prepared. Yes, this was a minor facet of a larger speech, but no one outside of his current supporters will remember a word of that speech except the part when he got into it with the press. It plays into the perception (however valid or invalid) that he's weak on foreign policy, and it feeds the image that he's a cranky old man. At the very least, that's disastrously poor media management.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I can attest that the media has gotten so bad, I don't even recognize the profession anymore.
When they're not propping fascists like Trump, they seem to be doing the unimaginable and driving the story rather than reporting on it.
Ah, well - I just heard him say on Maddow that he and Keith Ellison are planning a speech about Islam. Let's see if the media asks him about something totally off topic there. LOL.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)HRH supporters say Bernie is toast!
Talk about hypocritical. First he's called a useless White Supremacist Liberal, then he's accused of not supporting BLM, then he's called a racist because economic justice doesn't equal racial justice, now the man is in poverty ridden Baltimore, meeting with AA community leaders about their city AND THE HRH SUPPORTERS WANT HIM TO TALK ABOUT ISIS INSTEAD!
NOW do you understand the kind if people we're dealing with from HRH supporters? Just stop engaging with them. They aren't worth the time to type a response.
They've obviously proved that today. Bernie was right to say what he said at that press conference. He was there to draw attention to the plight of the AA community in Baltimore.. - not to talk about ISIS - which he talks about all the time. BALTIMORE is more important!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)flip flop
George II
(67,782 posts)Response to George II (Reply #36)
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Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)they want to talk about ISIS. 17 to 1.
George II
(67,782 posts)One wonders what a current poll would look like.
And how is it that the total at the bottom is 125%?
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)The media often talks about shit few care about or they talk about it far more than anyone cares to hear about.
George II
(67,782 posts)....the first one within the United States since September 11 2001. And some of those numbers have to be bloated if "the most important problem facing this country today" adds up to 125%.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)and that is supposed to equal "america"?
All righty then.
I guess that works like the Time poll eh?
Believe it or not the POTUS has to deal with events happening in other countries and apparently Bernie is not comfortable with that fact. This isn't the first time hes shown this behavior either. People are noticing.
It just shows that hes not up to the office.
Uncle Joe
(58,435 posts)Thanks for the thread, Fawke Em.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)My favorite "backfire" gif:
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gordyfl
(598 posts)I received a message with a link to that video (the ISIS part) - from a "Republican friend".
I thought it was sent as a nice gesture towards Bernie Sanders. I thanked him.
Then I realized it was meant to criticize Bernie.
I feel like Republicans and Bernie supporters are on two different planets.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)elitist media should not be allowed to dissimulate the magnitude of America's structural economic malfunctioning.
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)issues than ISIS and there are bigger threats to national security than ISIS too. Remember, this is the same media that helped gin up Iraqi war hysteria. Ratings are up, war hysteria is back on and Bernie isn't jumping on the bandwagon!
The media is pathetic in their attempts to trick candidates into who has the biggest balls contest, and say all the big, bad things they gonna do to ISIS.
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)Story: Peaceful Protest in Baltimore due to police brutality.
Headline: Protesters burn down a CVS Pharmacy
Story: Racist gunman opens fire in a black church killing 9 people.
Headline: Gunman with unknown motive fires upon Christians.
I've heard of attention grabbing lines, but this crap is just plain dishonest.