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Why, since Hillary is so inevitable, don't her supporters fight Republicans? (Original Post) grasswire Dec 2015 OP
I have asked that question a thousand different ways, and got nothing. arcane1 Dec 2015 #1
It's a primary. Time will come when Hillary will go after trump yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #7
Indeed. Rather excellent ad from CTR: NuclearDem Dec 2015 #9
Thank you! Amazing how some miss some of this. yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #11
Hadn't seen that either. Thanks. tecelote Dec 2015 #22
People are perfectly capable of multitasking. NuclearDem Dec 2015 #2
Yep. It's primary season, with multiple viable Dem candidates. Orsino Dec 2015 #30
3rd way prefers taking down liberals jfern Dec 2015 #3
Well, they would miss us if we left...for good. nt artislife Dec 2015 #6
I think his words were "f*cking ret*ards". Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #21
You're close; he said "fucking retarded" about us. The "professional left" thing was Gibbs, not Rahm Jim Lane Dec 2015 #23
Thanks for the correction. n/t Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #24
Pretty sure every time we start a GE thread we get told to not count our chickens Godhumor Dec 2015 #4
Exactly. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #5
It's called a primary election. NuclearDem Dec 2015 #8
Read my post again. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #10
This is only a guess: bvf Dec 2015 #12
I'm told here every single day that Bernie is inevitable. So how come his supporters pnwmom Dec 2015 #13
Fighting Bernie? ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #14
Not many Republicans on DU to fight Buzz cook Dec 2015 #15
The Third Way does not fight Republicans. Maedhros Dec 2015 #16
They aren't "fighting Bernie". They're claiming Bernie supporters are terrible people.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #17
Sounds like someone is projecting... kjones Dec 2015 #18
Easy: because left-wingers don't talk to right-wingers any more. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2015 #19
Some of us do, but websites aren't the place to do it... ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #20
That's kind of hard to do when the ones doing all the work for the REpublicans are the Sanders... MohRokTah Dec 2015 #25
Maybe because the Sander's campaign is so busy stealing Clinton info... Walk away Dec 2015 #26
You obviously have not listed to-or ignored her many speeches. Go to her website. They are riversedge Dec 2015 #27
Hillary IS fighting Republican's RandySF Dec 2015 #28
She is. HRC is capable of doing both. It's called running for an election. Lil Missy Dec 2015 #29
The primaries don't make sense to you? Strange. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #31
In the Primary campaign candidates compete against their own party challengers. procon Dec 2015 #32
Well, if you feel equally strongly that Bernie will be the nominee why do Sanders book_worm Dec 2015 #33
Non sequitur, when Bernie supporters hawk online polls and other silly nonsense on DU tritsofme Dec 2015 #34
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
1. I have asked that question a thousand different ways, and got nothing.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:35 AM
Dec 2015

Since her victory is so inevitable, Sanders and O'Malley are both destined to lose. Why talk about either of them, and one much more than the other?

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
2. People are perfectly capable of multitasking.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:37 AM
Dec 2015

We can address both the fascists running for the nomination of their party and the PUMAs attempting to undermine ours.

If you don't see the former, that's because discussion of the Republican primary isn't carried out in GD-P.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
30. Yep. It's primary season, with multiple viable Dem candidates.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:26 AM
Dec 2015

That we spend time sniping at each other on this board isn't as surprising as I'd like it to be...but in any case we are likely to have political lives beyond DU in which the figurative pummeling of GOP candidates probably features.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
3. 3rd way prefers taking down liberals
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:38 AM
Dec 2015

Remember when Rahm kept complaining about "professional leftists" right before Democrats lost 63 House seats?

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
21. I think his words were "f*cking ret*ards".
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:26 AM
Dec 2015

And I guess he'd like to have shot all those who kept asking for equal rights back then. Shame he didn't have a police force yet.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
23. You're close; he said "fucking retarded" about us. The "professional left" thing was Gibbs, not Rahm
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 07:31 AM
Dec 2015

From "White House unloads anger over criticism from 'professional left’", August 10, 2010:

During an interview with The Hill in his West Wing office, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs blasted liberal naysayers, whom he said would never regard anything the president did as good enough.

“I hear these people saying he’s like George Bush. Those people ought to be drug tested,” Gibbs said. “I mean, it’s crazy.”

The press secretary dismissed the “professional left” in terms very similar to those used by their opponents on the ideological right, saying, “They will be satisfied when we have Canadian healthcare and we’ve eliminated the Pentagon. That’s not reality.” {emphasis added}


The sad part is that many of us in the "professional left" are still waiting for our first paycheck. George Soros is such a tightwad.

As for Rahm, he used the phrase "fucking retarded" to describe left-wing political activism:

The friction was laid bare in August when Mr. Emanuel showed up at a weekly strategy session featuring liberal groups and White House aides. Some attendees said they were planning to air ads attacking conservative Democrats who were balking at Mr. Obama's health-care overhaul.

"F—ing retarded," Mr. Emanuel scolded the group, according to several participants. He warned them not to alienate lawmakers whose votes would be needed on health care and other top legislative items. {Source: "Chief of Staff Draws Fire From Left as Obama Falters"}


To be fair to Rahm, though, he did apologize. Not to us, of course. According to "Rahm Apologizes for Privately Calling Liberal Activists Retarded'", he apologized to the disabled community.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
4. Pretty sure every time we start a GE thread we get told to not count our chickens
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:38 AM
Dec 2015

So we multitask and plan for one while dealing with the other.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
5. Exactly.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:40 AM
Dec 2015

Instead of swift boating Bernie and accusing him of everything from believing women enjoy being raped to being a paid NRA shill they should be attacking the real enemy.

I mean, since it's in the bag and all why keep trying to smear Bernie?


 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
8. It's called a primary election.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:43 AM
Dec 2015

Make up your minds. Do you want a competitive primary process between candidates or not?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
10. Read my post again.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:46 AM
Dec 2015

It was pretty clear who and what I was referring to.

If that doesn't include you then don't worry about it.


 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
12. This is only a guess:
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:49 AM
Dec 2015

Alienating as many Sanders supporters as possible is the only way to prove the claim (and it's been made more than once) that Clinton can win without the votes of any of them.

Trouble is, proving it falls short and leads to the election of President Clown. (Pick one.)


pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
13. I'm told here every single day that Bernie is inevitable. So how come his supporters
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:12 AM
Dec 2015

are wasting their time trying to take Hillary down?

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
14. Fighting Bernie?
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:28 AM
Dec 2015

I've never said a bad thing about him. Very very few on this forum have done so (yes, admittedly, there are a few).

What we do, usually, is defend Hillary from absurd attacks. And point out the specious reasoning, hatred, and sometimes outright lies, that both Republicans and the anti-Democratic left fling at her.

We will sometimes draw conclusions about the people flinging those spittle-flecked attacks. It's hard not to.

But rest assured, DU Bernie supporters. The vast vast majority of us think he's far better than you.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

Buzz cook

(2,474 posts)
15. Not many Republicans on DU to fight
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:33 AM
Dec 2015

So why do so many Bernie supporters denigrate Clinton instead of promoting their own guy?

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
17. They aren't "fighting Bernie". They're claiming Bernie supporters are terrible people....
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:15 AM
Dec 2015

They're claiming the Democrats are going to LOSE BIG if Bernie supporters don't stop the "nonsense".

Some are so furious with Bernie supporters they don't even WANT their vote. They just want them to STFU and stop attacking Hillary.

kjones

(1,053 posts)
18. Sounds like someone is projecting...
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:47 AM
Dec 2015

All I've heard for months is how Sanders will wipe the floor with Clinton
after the 1st 2nd...etc debate. That, and a constant
shitstorm of anti-Clinton posts.

Maybe "give the Clinton hate a rest" wouldn't sound (to you, apparently)
like fighting Sanders if you guys hadn't made "Lol! Clinton Suxs!" one of
the main planks of your guys' campaigning around here (DU).

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
19. Easy: because left-wingers don't talk to right-wingers any more.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:07 AM
Dec 2015

For now, supporters of Clinton and Sanders still use the same websites, and hence they argue with one another.

And both of them use those websites to *be rude about* Republicans, which is kind of like fighting them.

But neither Clinton supporters nor Sanders supporters actually spend much time engaging with Republicans any more, because to do so they would have to not merely leave their left-wing echo chambers (which I think it would be reasonable to ask them to do), but probably step into an equally intellectually blinkered right-wing echo chamber (which it clearly wouldn't).

Forums where people actually talk across the political divide, rather than just preaching to their own choirs, are becoming increasingly rare.

I'm watching with interest to see if we see a corresponding fracturing within the Democratic party in future years. But, for now at least, while the interaction of supporters of different candidates seldom rises above the level of name-calling (like this rather silly OP), they are at least calling one another names in places they all read.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
20. Some of us do, but websites aren't the place to do it...
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:14 AM
Dec 2015

Political websites attract the fringe extremes, I've noticed. And one thing you can immediately tell about extremists, if you expose them to facts showing that they're wrong, that only reinforces their false belief that they're right.

What do you expect on the DU, anyway?

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
25. That's kind of hard to do when the ones doing all the work for the REpublicans are the Sanders...
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:00 AM
Dec 2015

campaign.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
26. Maybe because the Sander's campaign is so busy stealing Clinton info...
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:03 AM
Dec 2015

we have to fight back. The republicans haven't done anything so crooked since Watergate!

We have to go up against one crook at a time.

riversedge

(70,305 posts)
27. You obviously have not listed to-or ignored her many speeches. Go to her website. They are
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:08 AM
Dec 2015

all there. She has gone after the Republicans a lot. Or you might just read a few news articles before you post such silly nonsense.

RandySF

(59,229 posts)
28. Hillary IS fighting Republican's
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:09 AM
Dec 2015

But, and the same time we have so-called progressives slandering her with, often, old right wing conspiracy theories.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
31. The primaries don't make sense to you? Strange.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:30 AM
Dec 2015

By the way, I have numerous ops trashing republicans and their candidates. Maybe you have me on ignore so you won't have to watch my republican bashing.

I thought Sanders was the inevitable one who was going to take fifty states.

procon

(15,805 posts)
32. In the Primary campaign candidates compete against their own party challengers.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:42 AM
Dec 2015

It would be like pouring money down the drain for any Dem candidate to focus their attention on criticizing Republicans (beyond the occasional mockworthy zinger) rather than their party's opposition leaders at this point in the process. After each nominee is chosen, then the General Election campaign will pit the winners of each party against their opposition, but while the primary is still on then HRC should be targeting Sanders at this time, just as he should be trying to undermine her lead.

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
33. Well, if you feel equally strongly that Bernie will be the nominee why do Sanders
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:43 AM
Dec 2015

supporters constantly post attacks on Hillary on DU? It goes both ways.

tritsofme

(17,399 posts)
34. Non sequitur, when Bernie supporters hawk online polls and other silly nonsense on DU
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:11 PM
Dec 2015

They will be met with ridicule. This is a site for intra-party discussions and clashes, there are no Republicans to fight here.

It sounds like your message is: "How dare Clinton supporters defend themselves from our silly attacks? They should unilaterally disarm." Um...yeah...No thanks.

Aside from which, clashes on DU have literally nothing at all to do with the actual campaign. Team Hillary is focused on the general election, even if us here at DU have the (not so) occasional LOLz at Bernie and (mostly) his supporters expense.

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