I don't understand what motivation the Sanders campaign would have in accessing

[panader0]

Clinton's data. Outreach to HRC voters? I doubt that. Clinton's voter base is as loyal to her as Bernie's are
to him. So why would there be some evil motive? It doesn't make sense or smell right.

[MohRokTah]

1. They are losing and losing badly.

Why else?

[panader0]

3. Yes she is.

[MohRokTah]

8. You may want to get out of that Egyptian river. eom

[VanillaRhapsody]

27. hahahaha no she isn't

what color is the sky on your planet?

[fleur-de-lisa]

62. LOL!

Perfect response!

[Warren Stupidity]

2. none. It was a mistake by a staffer who abused a glitch. He was fired.

[hack89]

4. Insight into her campaign strategy

knowing what your opponent is thinking is very useful.

[Scuba]

9. It was a phone list, not a campaign strategy. Thanks for playing.

[hack89]

12. According to the Sanders campaign they downloaded Clinton voter models

Please keep up.

[questionseverything]

15. can you explain what you mean by voter models? n/t

[hack89]

18. Campaigns mine voter databases for all sorts of information

which they then used to decide where to allocate money and resources. The models are the software used to find and organize that information. If Sanders had access to Clinton's models or the results of those models then they would gain a significant insight to what she plans to do.

[TeeYiYi]

49. Voter models...

TYY

[Scuba]

16. Source please.

[Hiraeth]

19. tagging here to see reply.

[hack89]

21. "one of our staffers accessed some modeling data from another campaign."

"Unfortunately, yesterday, the vendor once again dropped the firewall between the campaigns for some data. After discussion with the DNC it became clear that one of our staffers accessed some modeling data from another campaign."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-dnc-suspension/

[Scuba]

25. "Modeling data" is not a campaign strategy.

[hack89]

26. What do you think significantly shapes campaign strategy?

campaigns mine these databases to determine the most efficient means to allocate resources and funding.

Come on - you are much smarter than this. You understand how political campaigns work.

[Scuba]

28. Mining a data base is a tactic. Gathering such data is a tactic. Neither is a strategy.

Deciding what data to gather and how to use it would be a strategy. The data itself is not.

[hack89]

32. But the collected data provides insight of strategic value

Why did they run that model? What groups are they focusing on? What groups are they ignoring? Where is their support strong? Where is their support weak?

If you want to play a semantics game, knock yourself out. I am not playing.

[Scuba]

35. Looking at what data they've collected might help one make an educated GUESS about a strategy.

That's all.

Here, this may help you ...

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Strategy_vs_Tactic

[hack89]

36. Ok. Got it. The data was of no value whatsoever.

and therefore Bernie is being unfairly treated.

[Scuba]

37. No one said that. All I said was that the data isn't a strategy, which is what you claimed.

[hack89]

38. Can we agree that it is more significant than a "phone list" as you claimed

and that in fact it could give him an unfair advantage?

[Scuba]

39. Please explain how Bernie's campaign, having very short access to Hillary's phone list ...

... provides him an advantage greater than the advantage Hillary receives from having her 2008 campaign chair head the DNC and another of her former campaign leaders owning and running the company where all the candidate's phone files are maintained.


Thanks in advance; I'm sure you'll be right on it.

[hack89]

40. So Bernie has to cheat to level the playing field?

makes sense - he is a career politician after all.

[Scuba]

41. Bernie didn't cheat. Nice try though.

[hack89]

42. So his campaign had the legal right to access Clinton's data? Really. nt

[frylock]

54. Not seeing any claims that they "downloaded" any data.

[hack89]

56. Using four accounts they downloaded and saved 25 files in 40 minutes. Nt

[frylock]

59. Who made that claim?

[hack89]

60. Have you considered reading any of the multiple threads on that very matter?

I am not in a spoon feeding mood at the moment.

[frylock]

61. The claim comes from DWS..

you'll have to forgive me if I don't believe a fucking word out of her mouth. I've read the software vendor claims that no files were downloaded, and that information was only accessed.

[hack89]

63. Ok. Nt

[fleur-de-lisa]

64. +1

[Betty Karlson]

5. This is DWS in a desperate move, overplaying her heinous hand

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with a dirty trick of hitherto unprecented evil.

[peacebird]

6. Read this article interviewing the fired staffer over on CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/sanders-dnc-data-breach-josh-uretsky/index.html

(CNN)The Bernie Sanders campaign staffer who was fired for accessing data unique to the Hillary Clinton campaign's vote file, told CNN on Friday that he was only trying to "understand how badly the Sanders campaign's data was exposed" and not attempting to take data from the Clinton campaign.

"We knew there was a security breach in the data, and we were just trying to understand it and what was happening," said Josh Uretsky, reached by phone on Friday morning, a day after the campaign let him go.

He added, "To the best of my knowledge, nobody took anything that would have given the (Sanders) campaign any benefit."

[panader0]

10. So Josh Uretsky was basically trying to protect Bernie's data.

I think the "glitch" was intentional.

[peacebird]

14. Yes, by trying to see what other campaignscould see. He had reported the bugs back in October

And later.

[hack89]

22. He downloaded Clinton voter modeling data

what does that have to do with protecting Bernie's data?

[frylock]

55. Possible honey pot scenario..

seems plausible knowing that the Sanders campaign reported the security issues a couple months ago.

[book_worm]

7. I'm sure it wasn't a coordinated thing just some nosy staffer.

[VanillaRhapsody]

29. there were 4....directed by the guy that got fired.

[comradebillyboy]

33. According to the NYT

However, the New York Times reported that four user accounts associated with the Sanders campaign conducted searches in the system while Clinton's information was available. and
'Sources close to the breach, first reported by the Washington Post, say a few other employees also accessed the Clinton data, but did so under the direction of the fired worker, who helped lead the campaign's digital efforts.'

[Tommy2Tone]

11. If it were the Clinton campaign that was caught.

It would have been just more proof that Hillary has no morals and is hated by everyone. But since it was Bernie's campaign, who is pure and clean, we should shrug and say no big deal.

Got it.

[winter is coming]

20. Here's the thing: if you have a longstanding reputation for campaigning cleanly, you're more likely

to get the benefit of a doubt. If you don't, you don't.

[Tommy2Tone]

44. Care to enlighten me as to how Hillary has a long reputation of campaigning dirty?

Or do you just get your information from Facebook, Twitter, Drudge Report, Red State or any of the usual suspects?

[winter is coming]

45. I remember the 2008 campaign. Apparently, you don't. n/t

[Tommy2Tone]

50. You casually throw mud and then can't back it up.

Tells me you got nothing.

[workinclasszero]

17. They are losing badly

and Bernie's ground game is second rate to Hillary's undoubtedly.

Maybe the person(s)? that performed the data breach were fishing for info they could never get on their own.

Names and addresses of potential democratic donors that might be persuaded to send money and/or vote for Sanders?

[enid602]

23. proles

Same reason that Jane Sanders comitted a felony by grossly overstatiing Burlington Cilleges books on a loan application. Sometimes you have to break a few rules in the name of the Proletariate.

[demmiblue]

24. It's like a neighbor who left their door open.

Your neighbor has early stage Alzheimer's disease and has left her door open in the past. You know that that she usually keeps her door shut and locked tight. On those occasions, you helped her out by calling her and letting her know that she has been leaving her door open. She has always thanked you profusely, because she feels much, much safer with her door locked due to a rash of break-ins and burglaries in the neighborhood.

One cold December day, you see that her car is in the driveway and that her door is swinging wide open. This time, however, you think to yourself, "hmmm... something seems really off here." Sensing that something is wrong, you enter your neighbor's house to see if she has had an accident or is experiencing a medical emergency. Once inside, you discover that she fell and couldn't get up. You immediately call 911 for assistance.

[VanillaRhapsody]

30. Yeah it happened EXACTLY like that...

[MoonRiver]

31. Based on voter demographics and personal information, they could try to influence them.

None of us are immune to persuasion. Except me, of course!

[Historic NY]

34. Well it definitely was trying to figure out what color pant suit she will wear tomorrow....

they exploited the breach and went hunting.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

43. Why is the data secret in the first place?

[panader0]

52. This is one of the best questions about this baloney.

[Hepburn]

46. Listening to MSNBC:

Sanders spokesperson: Not only did the DNC and DWS shut out Sanders, they shut him out to his own data.

Fuck that shit!

[workinclasszero]

47. Here is the reason...

Sanders Accounts Saved Clinton Data During Breach, Audit Says

Sanders’s campaign has sought to downplay the severity of the incident, initially saying that only a single “low-level” staffer accessed the Clinton data and that none of it was saved. But the audit of the database's logs created by the vendor that manages the data, NGP VAN, show that four accounts associated with the Sanders team took advantage of the Wednesday morning breach.

Staffers conducted searches that would be especially advantageous to the campaign, including lists of its likeliest supporters in 10 early voting states, including Iowa and New Hampshire.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-18/sanders-campaign-fires-data-director-after-breach-of-clinton-files

[Agschmid]

48. It easy to understand...

Let's say I canvass for Hillary, I knock on a door and the person is a strong Sanders supporter. I mark that on the sheet.

That data gets entered into VAN.

Let's say the Sanders campaign hasn't yet knocked on that door, but all the sudden they have access to my walk list. The list where I inidcated that the door is a strong Sanders supporter... Now the Sanders campaign knows...

- The door is a supporter.
- The door could be a volunteer.
- The door could make donations.

That's why they would want that information.

[Dawson Leery]

51. Josh Uretsky is the typical professional leftist

who only gets involved when that special pony arises. They will break all of the rules to win.
The Josh Uretsky's of the world are the same ones who let Russ Feingold lose, and Scott Walker win.

[brooklynite]

57. Easy answer: learning about your opponent

Where are their supporters? What groups are giving money or volunteering? How has support changed in the last 1-3-6 months?

[Starry Messenger]

58. Access to the undecideds or soft supporters. Campaigns report all of those contacts too.

Create walklists and targeted phone-banking to those who could be shifted. Just one motivation.