2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary's hand picked it company let the database get hacked twice. Why do they still have the job?
Actually it might have been more than two times. And they were notified after one earlier in the year.
Do you think they are incompetent, or is this more nefarious than that?
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grasswire
(50,130 posts)Just like DWS and others.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Is Sen. Sanders' suit still a go?
"Despite the agreement, a person familiar with the situation told Politico the campaign would not be dropping the lawsuit."
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/sanders-campaign-threatens-to-sue-dnc-216942#ixzz3um6GOtid
I hope they look at more than the easily manipulated server logs. The email trail should be in the discovery as well.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Response to Doctor_J (Original post)
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Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Wow. I'm still astonished how Bernie supporters have managed to convince themselves that the wrongdoing of Bernie's campaign people is really Hillary's fault. This nonsense is what finally made me decide to support Hillary.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)That is odd because this story just broke late Thursday night and your rec lists shows you have been recommending anti-Bernie threads since you joined in November.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)I've rec'd anything that went against nuttiness, not anything specifically anti-Bernie. I have in fact said consistently that I like both of them, and even now I still defend Bernie. I just don't like his campaign, and I did not like they way hiscampaign turned the wrongdoing of his campaign people into a smearing of Hillary (although I did appreciate the way both he and Hillary handled it in the debate last night). That's what finally made up my mind completely.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Some of the things I've rec'd were posts about how great all our candidates are. Others were things I rec'd because they spoke against the silly rhetoric about how evil Hillary is - that might look like anti-Bernie recs to you, but I simply rec'd them because I got tired of the hysterical stuff I was hearing from especially the Bernie folks. I have, on the other hand, posted on more than one occasion that I like both of them (and MOM too) and don't yet feel that I have to choose since my state's primary is late, and I have also frequently said that I like Bernie, and I have also disagreed with at least one Hillary supporter who got all dramatic about Bernie. I know what I posted and what I have thought better than you possibly can after a superficial look at my rec list.
And by the way, I did not join in November. I've been a member for a few years, and a lurker for many years before that. I just don't post that often, although the primaries got me back into posting more often again.
And yes, the silly blame game response to datagate finally made me realize that the Bernie campaign is not run well, and I did not like the fact that Bernie did not nip the thing in the bud from the start by simply cooperating with the DNC. After all, it was his campaign that was at fault. I will support him in the general if he's the nominee, but his campaign is very off-putting to me at this point.
I don't really appreciate being called a liar, by the way.
oasis
(49,396 posts)You should never feel you have to explain yourself to anyone who doesn't engage you in a respectful way.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)the truth can be ever so inconvenient .
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)The same DNC who instead of dealing with this mess internally, decided the very best thing they could do for the party was to run and leak the story to the press?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)
George II
(67,782 posts)....the other way around, someone making a claim provide some sort of fact that such claim is true?
Base on the way you're looking at it, anyone can say anything about someone and just say, "prove me wrong".
LiberalArkie
(15,727 posts)
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)co-chair. I am sure his previous work with her campaign for POTUS, along with DWS who was instrumental in her 08 campaign was not considered (by Hillary at least) to be a conflict of interest.
Admit it, would you be comfortable with the vendor and DWS in their positions with the DNC if the situation was reversed? If Hillary's data had been breach 2-3 times and then, in complete violation of the contract DWS went straight to the media with it, would things still be copacetic? Hillary has a frustrated 20 something campaign staff member make a mistake and does the wrong thing while trying to see how bad this situation is? He does this without the prior knowledge of Hillary? How about after all of that, DWS went on air and said Hillary's campaign was nothing but "bluster"? Bernie comes on and alleges Hillary's team committed "theft" without knowing all of the facts.
Would you believe you would be a little justified in being upset?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Can't say that is the case here, but it often is.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)
Jarqui
(10,128 posts)I think Josh referred to more in one of his interviews but I'm not absolutely positive on that.
The Sanders campaign feels "very confident" their data was compromised last October. They said that at their 1pm press conference Friday.
To date, there has been no audit of that breach or check to see if someone has Sanders data. They are again asking for one as part of this investigation.
That to me goes beyond "incompetence" - failing to properly address security issues over a period of months. It's negligence when you ignore key facets of the problem that they didn't ignore this time around.
And it's a violation of the DNC Charter requiring “impartiality and even-handedness” of the DNC when dealing with the various campaigns.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Don't insult our intelligence
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)about IT.
Really people just pull stuff out of thin air around here. Watching the discussion of a business I know has been instructive.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)to create a scandal when no other avenue for one could be located???
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)"The DNC is sabotaging Bernie" at 20 seconds.
https://m.
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)I don't know if SNL can be called "media"....although it's both more entertaining AND more informative than the M$M...there may be some kind of wonky copyright infringement, don't you know.
The truth is like L'Hopital's Rule: only in the limit as time approaches infinity does the value go to 100%.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)They have "Friends" in high places.....
AzDar
(14,023 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....perhaps you should do some research into this company and the others who do similar work.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)After DWS went to lead the DNC, she hired Hillary's IT guy from 2008, to lead the NGP VAN for the DNC. We complained here way back when DWS hired him, that the party was stacking it for Hillary, via former Clinton employers in important positions. Even in the media! This is getting off track. But the IT connection is real. He was Hillary's handpicked.
George II
(67,782 posts)....it was their experience and broad clientele that persuaded the DNC (how do you know it was DWS who even did the hiring?)
You've presented a bunch of dots here, with only speculation about how those dots are connected.
George II
(67,782 posts)....the leaders in their field, certainly NOT Clinton's "hand picked company":
http://plus.ngpvan.com/clients
Clients Include:
The Democratic National Committee
The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee
The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee
The Democratic Governors Association
The Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee
Almost all the Democratic State Parties
International parties like the Liberal Party of Canada
Almost all the Democrats in the U.S. Senate and U.S. House
Thousands of other candidates for offices ranging from Governor to State Legislator to City Council
Many labor unions including the AFL-CIO and their affiliates
The Service Employees International Union
A number of other U.S. based and international unions
America Votes and hundreds of participating progressive public interest organizations
State Voices and hundreds of participating non-profit civic engagement groups
Leadership and progressive PACs, and non-partisan corporations and trade associations (A branded version of Campaign Office is available to Corporate and Trade Association PACs from CQ-Roll Call Group)
Many of the leading field, fundraising, new media, and other consulting companies
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)
emulatorloo
(44,164 posts)Not clear why some think it was just recently invented.
George II
(67,782 posts)....to campaigns at all levels throughout the state. It's a highly versatile tool for targeting specific voter demographics and trends.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)ways in which politicians deal with elections,but some
issues come to mind.
1) HRC tried the same kind of trick on Obama in 08, was
caught, and due to party unity it was hushed up.
2) DWS was heavily involved in that election for HRC,
in other words a very strong supporter.
3) The higher-ups of the IT corp.(owners or vice president or
Pagliani) are all strong supporters of the Clinton campaign.
4) In spite of a number of DNC members' agreement to
either more debates or no exclusivity rule DWS made
that decision without large consent.
Considering that Obama was a well established member
of the party he had some protection from the establishment.
Bernie is not in the same position, but I think he knows
how dirt can and could be spread.Thus, if he is demanding
an independent investigation, he may know more about the
set-up than he is willing to talk about. Hence the lawsuit.
I have seen no reason up to now to distrust him, and so
I hope this investigation will be done speedily.
Still, his staffers made big mistakes, and he took the correct
action by firing them. Now let the sunshine in on the rest.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Ya think? 
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)There's no excuses for this sort of thing.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Ya Think???
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Edit to add: Don't fall for it CN!
It's probably a photoshop. Where ever (or whomever) this came from is suspect.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)
If you can't fathom why the DNC would promote both their IT contractor and their leading presidential candidate, then no amount of explanation will make sense to you, let alone convince you.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)pulled Hillary's data along with Bernie's.
As soon as the IT director saw that he had Hillary's data, he should have stopped, but he didn't. That is why he was fired.
Which doesn't let the company off the hook for their repeated failures. But it does show that the initial access to Hillary's data was unintentional and due to the database failure.
It would be as if you put in your money and made a selection from a vending machine. But instead of just your candy bar dropping, candy from all the cubbies dropped.
You should return the candy that isn't yours, not open it and have a taste. The IT director opened it and had a taste. And he put more money in and asked for more candy, and got that as well. (That's about as far as this analogy goes because Hillary didn't actually "lose" her data, just copies of it.)
Indydem
(2,642 posts)Isn't an ongoing problem. It has happened repeatedly, but it seems patches start the fiasco.
The apply a patch, data gets co mingled.
They fix it.
Rinse. Repeat.
That's not incompetence, it's dealing with a complex system that has many moving parts.
Too many people don't understand databases, queries, or the terms they are reading.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)failing in this way every time there is an upgrade or patch. Sanders' team reported this co-mingling multiple times since October.
Can you imagine if every time facebook put on a security patch, people's facebook data got co-mingled?
If every time a hospital's sw system had a security hole patched, patient data was co-mingled?
If this is an ongoing problem, then when they are applying patches, they should do what other companies do. Advise clients that the s/w will be down for x period of time -- usually at the lowest use timeframe, like overnight -- while an upgrade is done. And then after they patch, they make sure there are no bugs before they bring it back up.
If they can take hospital sw down for some number of hours for upgrades -- and they do that, so everybody runs around doing things on paper temporarily -- then they can do that for this.
Thav
(946 posts)For the non-IT people, ACL = Access Control List, a list of who can access what resource.
I don't understand how ACLs can be "down." Every project I've worked on has had ACLs as an integral part of the software. Some databases can even enforce ACLs down to the column level.
However, ACLs don't do you a lick of good if your account management sucks, is buggy or easily expoitable.
Other comments appear to say that the company was notified many times about co-mingling of data. It's very bad they didn't fix it the first time. It sounds like the whole company was doing shoddy practices from the start.
That said, it doesn't excuse the guy on the Bernie campaign that didn't just close the data and report it immediately.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)stopped working. So that anybody doing a search at that time would have data from everybody's databases pulled instead of just their own.
So it's crappy sw to start with and either crappy or corrupt management on top of it.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)
you know, sort of like how taking huge donations from wall st. is okay because 9-11
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... but paranoid and absurd conspiracy theories help make life bearable. It's like a virtual relaxing bubble bath.
Calgon, take me away! 
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)that apparently now more than one Sanders staffer improperly accessed information that they weren't allowed to access.
They have to try to avoid taking responsibility somehow, and given the fundraising recently, there at least a million dollars worth of people who believe that as well.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I think we know the real answer.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)CEO is a family friend.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)That's why they have the job.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)and try to blame mom for making the cookies just so darn yummy.
BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)I thought we were the reality-based party here.
They are more or less the only game in town when it comes to maintaining electronic data for Democratic candidates at the national, state, and local level.
A very small amount of research would reveal how important they are when it comes to liberal politics and politicians everywhere:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGP_VAN
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)From what I've read, there are several competing SW companies in the field. The GOP has had problems because they left each local subgroup open to pick their own SW. Free market competition and all that. The problem being that the SW packages don't 'talk' to each other, which complicates data sharing.
The Dems chose to go single vendor to avoid those problems -- and just happen to pick a vendor where the senior execs and management all seem to have close ties to the Clintons. And a vendor that apparently has crappy SW and shoddy or shady management practices. Quelle surprise.
The problem should have been fixed back in October when Sanders' team first detected and reported the problem.
Even better, it should have been fixed back in 2008 when Clinton's team obtained Obama data.
BainsBane
(53,041 posts)spend forty minutes looking through Clinton's data, from four separate accounts. They purposefully took down the firewall to lure them in? Even if that were true, how does that make it any better? It's essentially saying they knew all they had to do was drop a firewall and the Sanders campaign would breach confidential Clinton data.
Bernie has admitted the campaign did it. He apologized last night. Don't you listen to your own candidate?