2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary and Bernie Each Had a Pretty Strong Debate. That Means Hillary Won
[link:http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/12/19/hillary_clinton_won_the_abc_democratic_debate_in_new_hampshire_even_though.html|Slate:
In an evenly matched debate, one in which the two leading candidates each have their strong moments and some blah ones, who could possibly be named the winner? The answer is the one who was already winning heading inespecially when she, Hillary Clinton, was the only one to receive an onstage apology from her main (and trailing) rival.
The sparks over #Datagateor whatever were calling the events that led to Democratic horse race drama outshining Republican horse race drama for a whole 36 hours this weekwere extinguished early on. About 14 minutes into the two-hour debate, Sanders reiterated his campaigns talking points about how a) he had axed the staffer who breached the Clinton campaigns voter data and was investigating further misconduct; and b) it was completely unfair and over-the-top for the Democratic National Committee to temporarily lock his campaign out of its own voter data. Then the moderator offered him an opportunity to apologize to Clinton.
Yes, I apologize, he said. Not only do I apologize to Secretary Clinton, and I hope we can work together on an independent investigation from day one. I want to apologize to my supporters. This is not the type of campaign that we run. And if I find anybody else involved in this, they will also be fired.
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From then on, Sanders and Clinton debated their proposals on taxes, health care, and education from the left and center-left, respectively. Both gave solid performances. But its hard to see how either could have taken many supporters from the other. Since Hillary Clinton came in with more supporters, and was able to parry off attacks on her vulnerabilities well enough, the tie goes to her.
Alfresco
(1,698 posts)Bernie's apology and Hillary's "May the force be with you" quote.
And yes, Hillary won.
SunSeeker
(51,630 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...to the media before a debate: Even if Al Gore does slightly better than Bush, you should declare Bush the winner if Gore doesn't do so much better that it will cause Gore to win the election.
Personally, I think debate winners should be declared based on who had the better policy proposals, not by guessing who will win the election.
I'd prefer the idea in the OP to be expressed as, "The debate was a tie, therefore Hillary Clinton will win the nomination," rather than as "They both did well in the debate, so Hillary Clinton won the debate."
brooklynite
(94,679 posts)...but Clinton is still ahead. Sanders didn't do anything to change the dynamics of the race.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)..."That Means Hillary Will Win the Nomination" instead of "That Means Hillary Won" the debate.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)How very DNC