2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe other side of Joe Biden (You really need to read this one...)
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/09/the_other_side_of_joe_biden.phpA shout out to TPM for posting this....
Rarely do I watch Joe Biden give a speech or an interview without looking for some evidence, in his eyes or the lines of his face, of the fact that he lost half of his young family when he was 30 years old. It is inconceivable to me, always has been, but especially in the years since I became a father. For all his goofballism, Biden has gone through a crucible that I cannot imagine. And he did so when he was 30, an adult, already deeply invested in the life he was building.
Thats not to diminish the tragedies that children endure. But at 30 years old to lose your wife and baby daughter, to almost lose your two toddler sons, and to somehow carry on? It truly baffles me. I know everyone says you do what you have to do. But thats not really true. You dont. You could curl up in the fetal position, if not literally then emotionally, and shrivel up. Im more certain that thats what I would do than I am confident I would find a way to persevere. But Biden has been through it. Hes seen hell and been back.
That he served his entire 36-year Senate career after that searing experience in December 1972, shortly after winning election, and then went on to become vice president, adds some drama to the story, I suppose. But for me the emotional highlight is just him getting out of bed the next day, and the day after that, and the one after that.
Which brings me to Joe Bidens speech today in Shanksville, Penn., commemorating the victims of Sept. 11, 2001. The speech is marvelously and sensitively written. But rendered by Biden, drawing on his own life experience, in rhetorical ways that are not ostentatious and which dont try to elevate his own story above those of the victims families, it packs a wallop that still makes me cut him a lot of slack for his sometime inexplicable goofiness.
Read his speech....there is a transcript of it.
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)gateley
(62,683 posts)He will always be Senator MBNA - I know that's not a popular opinion, but it's a fact.
I can still recognize his tragedy and his humanity, but it's something I will never get over about him.
How can he talk a good game about who he is and where he's from, but when it comes down to it, he voted for the banks over the people over and over and over again. He has a very long history of it.
I don't have the memory of a goldfish. I don't forget these things.
gateley
(62,683 posts)gaspee
(3,231 posts)And I think he's a good guy. But... I have a hard time reconciling that side of him with the Senator MBNA side. Doesn't he care about anyone else's family? It's great that he's such a wonderful family man (and I'm not disputing that - but what about other people's families? The ones at the mercy of the predatory banking laws that he led the charge on implementing. Bankruptcy reform is but one.
I know his state is a haven for corporations and he's playing the game... but I still can't reconcile the two.
antigop
(12,778 posts)n/t
gateley
(62,683 posts)Actually, honestly, I feel he hated it, too, and made sure he got the Violence Against Women's Act passed to soothe his guilt a bit.
Don't know if I'm right, but from what I've observed, he cares passionately about the families, the people, so I wonder if this will be a regret he has on his death bed.
I've learned that I can never be sure what I would or wouldn't do in a situation until I'm IN that situation (regardless of how strongly I feel about it before). So for MOST of those political moves I hate, I have to realize I don't know all the facts and what they have to work with. It's always so easy for us out here to judge, but nothing is ever as simple as we think it is.
Anyway, I think Joe is much more than a horrible piece of legislation.
Read the transcript. Although I'm biased toward the guy, I've rarely been that moved.
woodsprite
(11,916 posts)Do you call senators from Idaho "Senator Potato" because they vote in favor of farming subsidies? Maybe someone does, but I haven't heard them.
Big Potatoe's Policies ruined lives.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Anymore than I can forget Clinton and NAFTA and Glass-Steagal.
I don't know how involved Biden was or wasn't in the behind the scenes discussions over the big banks back in 09. I saw a PBS special that showed there were 2 camps: Geithner wanted to give the banks whatever with no strings or punishment, and Sumners wanted to make examples of some banks and complete financial overhaul.
From the special I got a sense of why President Obama went the way he did -- the risks involved with a complete overhaul were so high. I got no sense of Biden's input. I don't remember him in that program at all.
I'd like to think that if, dawg forbid, some catastrophe sidelines Obama, that Biden, without an election in the balance, and representing the country versus one state, and seeing the devastation he helped unleash, would use that as an opportunity to beat the banks into submission, change the bankruptcy laws back, etc.
But really, who knows what it will take to get it fixed. How many lives have to be destroyed before they wake the fuck up.
Bake
(21,977 posts)I haven't forgotten Biden's role in bankruptcy reform and standing with MBNA. It hurt a LOT of people.
I like Joe, and I'm not going to sit out the election because of his support of the banks, but I haven't forgotten.
Bake
pansypoo53219
(20,981 posts)it can be fleeting.
CBHagman
(16,986 posts)...that we never saw in the OEOB and Naval Observatory during the previous administration.
gateley
(62,683 posts)Cheney is in a category of his own. I don't know just what, but it's horrifying.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)But even Laura Ingraham of all people says she finds him endearing. Peggy Noonan does too. It is strange but among Dem and Repub pundits Joe is actually very well liked personally. He is just plainly one of the nicest people in DC. Heck, even Boehner likes him! He has a very warm, nice personality despite the things he's gone through. Next to President Obama, he is my favorite politician in DC.
PatSeg
(47,501 posts)declared Morning Joe the "No Attack Joe Zone". Everyone there loves Joe Biden and refer to him as the "greates Vice President ever".
antiquie
(4,299 posts)"My personal prayer for all of you is that in every succeeding year, youre able to sing more than you weep."
gateley
(62,683 posts)What a beautiful speech he gave. I think he brought some comfort to those families.
antigop
(12,778 posts)lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)his passion, his understanding, his ... everything.
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)That too.