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antigop

(12,778 posts)
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 02:23 PM Sep 2012

The other side of Joe Biden (You really need to read this one...)

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/09/the_other_side_of_joe_biden.php

A shout out to TPM for posting this....

Rarely do I watch Joe Biden give a speech or an interview without looking for some evidence, in his eyes or the lines of his face, of the fact that he lost half of his young family when he was 30 years old. It is inconceivable to me, always has been, but especially in the years since I became a father. For all his goofballism, Biden has gone through a crucible that I cannot imagine. And he did so when he was 30, an adult, already deeply invested in the life he was building.

That’s not to diminish the tragedies that children endure. But at 30 years old to lose your wife and baby daughter, to almost lose your two toddler sons, and to somehow carry on? It truly baffles me. I know everyone says you do what you have to do. But that’s not really true. You don’t. You could curl up in the fetal position, if not literally then emotionally, and shrivel up. I’m more certain that that’s what I would do than I am confident I would find a way to persevere. But Biden has been through it. He’s seen hell and been back.

That he served his entire 36-year Senate career after that searing experience in December 1972, shortly after winning election, and then went on to become vice president, adds some drama to the story, I suppose. But for me the emotional highlight is just him getting out of bed the next day, and the day after that, and the one after that.

Which brings me to Joe Biden’s speech today in Shanksville, Penn., commemorating the victims of Sept. 11, 2001. The speech is marvelously and sensitively written. But rendered by Biden, drawing on his own life experience, in rhetorical ways that are not ostentatious and which don’t try to elevate his own story above those of the victims’ families, it packs a wallop that still makes me cut him a lot of slack for his sometime inexplicable goofiness.


Read his speech....there is a transcript of it.
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The other side of Joe Biden (You really need to read this one...) (Original Post) antigop Sep 2012 OP
Joe is the Consoler in Chief BeyondGeography Sep 2012 #1
He's just so real. And he cares so much. Thanks for this! gateley Sep 2012 #2
To me gaspee Sep 2012 #3
Understood, but he's also done some great things, too. gateley Sep 2012 #4
And I try to remember that gaspee Sep 2012 #5
I hear ya, gaspee..I have the same problem with the Clintons...I just thought it was a great speech antigop Sep 2012 #8
I think that is was something he felt he had to do for his State, since DE is the haven. gateley Sep 2012 #9
He voted for banks that were incorporated and had many people employed in DE woodsprite Sep 2012 #6
Maybe if gaspee Sep 2012 #7
I can't forget that either magical thyme Sep 2012 #18
I'm with you, gaspee Bake Sep 2012 #22
embrace life. pansypoo53219 Sep 2012 #10
The media absolutely savages him, but Biden has a warmth... CBHagman Sep 2012 #11
He's got a warmth that we don't see much in DC, period. gateley Sep 2012 #14
The media does like to make fun of him. And so does the public. Jennicut Sep 2012 #19
Joe Scarborough PatSeg Sep 2012 #21
The OTHER side of Joe: antiquie Sep 2012 #12
Man, the tears increased when I read that. gateley Sep 2012 #13
I have a lot of singers in my extended family (some professional)...that line really got to me. n/t antigop Sep 2012 #16
Love Joe lillypaddle Sep 2012 #15
And especially his inexplicable goofiness....(nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #17
Yeah lillypaddle Sep 2012 #20

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
1. Joe is the Consoler in Chief
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 02:28 PM
Sep 2012
My hope for you all is that as every year passes, the depth of your pain recedes and you find comfort, as I have, genuine comfort in recalling his smile, her laugh, their touch. And I hope you’re as certain as I am that she can see what a wonderful man her son has turned out to be, grown up to be; that he knows everything that your daughter has achieved, and that he can hear, and she can hear how her mom still talks about her, the day he scored the winning touchdown, how bright and beautiful she was on that graduation day, and know that he knows what a beautiful child the daughter he never got to see has turned out to be, and how much she reminds you of him. For I know you see your wife every time you see her smile on your child’s face. You remember your daughter every time you hear laughter coming from her brother’s lips. And you remember your husband every time your son just touches your hand.


gaspee

(3,231 posts)
3. To me
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 02:34 PM
Sep 2012

He will always be Senator MBNA - I know that's not a popular opinion, but it's a fact.

I can still recognize his tragedy and his humanity, but it's something I will never get over about him.

How can he talk a good game about who he is and where he's from, but when it comes down to it, he voted for the banks over the people over and over and over again. He has a very long history of it.

I don't have the memory of a goldfish. I don't forget these things.

gaspee

(3,231 posts)
5. And I try to remember that
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 02:43 PM
Sep 2012

And I think he's a good guy. But... I have a hard time reconciling that side of him with the Senator MBNA side. Doesn't he care about anyone else's family? It's great that he's such a wonderful family man (and I'm not disputing that - but what about other people's families? The ones at the mercy of the predatory banking laws that he led the charge on implementing. Bankruptcy reform is but one.

I know his state is a haven for corporations and he's playing the game... but I still can't reconcile the two.

antigop

(12,778 posts)
8. I hear ya, gaspee..I have the same problem with the Clintons...I just thought it was a great speech
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 02:51 PM
Sep 2012

n/t

gateley

(62,683 posts)
9. I think that is was something he felt he had to do for his State, since DE is the haven.
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 03:00 PM
Sep 2012

Actually, honestly, I feel he hated it, too, and made sure he got the Violence Against Women's Act passed to soothe his guilt a bit.
Don't know if I'm right, but from what I've observed, he cares passionately about the families, the people, so I wonder if this will be a regret he has on his death bed.

I've learned that I can never be sure what I would or wouldn't do in a situation until I'm IN that situation (regardless of how strongly I feel about it before). So for MOST of those political moves I hate, I have to realize I don't know all the facts and what they have to work with. It's always so easy for us out here to judge, but nothing is ever as simple as we think it is.

Anyway, I think Joe is much more than a horrible piece of legislation.

Read the transcript. Although I'm biased toward the guy, I've rarely been that moved.

woodsprite

(11,916 posts)
6. He voted for banks that were incorporated and had many people employed in DE
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 02:48 PM
Sep 2012

Do you call senators from Idaho "Senator Potato" because they vote in favor of farming subsidies? Maybe someone does, but I haven't heard them.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
18. I can't forget that either
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 04:41 PM
Sep 2012

Anymore than I can forget Clinton and NAFTA and Glass-Steagal.

I don't know how involved Biden was or wasn't in the behind the scenes discussions over the big banks back in 09. I saw a PBS special that showed there were 2 camps: Geithner wanted to give the banks whatever with no strings or punishment, and Sumners wanted to make examples of some banks and complete financial overhaul.

From the special I got a sense of why President Obama went the way he did -- the risks involved with a complete overhaul were so high. I got no sense of Biden's input. I don't remember him in that program at all.

I'd like to think that if, dawg forbid, some catastrophe sidelines Obama, that Biden, without an election in the balance, and representing the country versus one state, and seeing the devastation he helped unleash, would use that as an opportunity to beat the banks into submission, change the bankruptcy laws back, etc.

But really, who knows what it will take to get it fixed. How many lives have to be destroyed before they wake the fuck up.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
22. I'm with you, gaspee
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 07:51 PM
Sep 2012

I haven't forgotten Biden's role in bankruptcy reform and standing with MBNA. It hurt a LOT of people.

I like Joe, and I'm not going to sit out the election because of his support of the banks, but I haven't forgotten.

Bake

CBHagman

(16,986 posts)
11. The media absolutely savages him, but Biden has a warmth...
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 03:28 PM
Sep 2012

...that we never saw in the OEOB and Naval Observatory during the previous administration.

gateley

(62,683 posts)
14. He's got a warmth that we don't see much in DC, period.
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 04:18 PM
Sep 2012

Cheney is in a category of his own. I don't know just what, but it's horrifying.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
19. The media does like to make fun of him. And so does the public.
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 05:09 PM
Sep 2012

But even Laura Ingraham of all people says she finds him endearing. Peggy Noonan does too. It is strange but among Dem and Repub pundits Joe is actually very well liked personally. He is just plainly one of the nicest people in DC. Heck, even Boehner likes him! He has a very warm, nice personality despite the things he's gone through. Next to President Obama, he is my favorite politician in DC.

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
21. Joe Scarborough
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 07:35 PM
Sep 2012

declared Morning Joe the "No Attack Joe Zone". Everyone there loves Joe Biden and refer to him as the "greates Vice President ever".

 

antiquie

(4,299 posts)
12. The OTHER side of Joe:
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 03:56 PM
Sep 2012

"My personal prayer for all of you is that in every succeeding year, you’re able to sing more than you weep."

gateley

(62,683 posts)
13. Man, the tears increased when I read that.
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 04:15 PM
Sep 2012

What a beautiful speech he gave. I think he brought some comfort to those families.

antigop

(12,778 posts)
16. I have a lot of singers in my extended family (some professional)...that line really got to me. n/t
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 04:24 PM
Sep 2012
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