2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie's TERRIFIC response to Hillary's bathroom scandal.
If only all of his supporters could react as well as he does.
I don't know why so many here think it helps their cause to rudely disparage her. Bernie is far more effective than they are simply by being his smart and gracious self.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/22/sanders-mocks-trump-for-his-comments-about-clintons-mid-debate-trip-to-the-restroom/
COUNCIL BLUFFS, Iowa -- Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders ratcheted up his criticism Tuesday of Republican front-runner Donald Trump, calling him a coward billionaire and mocking him for talking about Hillary Clintons trip to the restroom during the last presidential debate.
He has discovered that women go to the bathroom, and its been very upsetting to him, the Vermont senator said of the real-estate mogul during a rally here that drew about 1,800 people. This is a guy who wants to be president of the United States. He must have a very unusual relationship with women.
Sanders was referring to Trumps recounting Monday of Clintons late return to the Democratic debate stage following a commercial break on Saturday night.
SNIP
Now Ive got to be honest with you. Ive got to be honest with you, Sanders said, speaking in a mocking tone. I also went to the bathroom. I know, I have to admit it.
This is the pathology. This is the guy who is leading in the Republican polls.
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)I am sick to shit of remarks like this.
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)... do justice for their candidate. We just have an influx of old Ron Paul supporters on this board. It will go away eventually.
I'm also sick of it, but it will quickly pass. Flies time.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Old Ron Paul and Naderites pretending to be Democrats here are the meanest, nastiest posters around. And the funny thing is, they think they're fooling us.
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)But it was more interesting last spring.
daybranch
(1,309 posts)and Nader has made a lot of good points over the years. You Hillary people do not get it, we are not followers of anything but our heartfelt values and our desire to remove the oligarchy. We would not follow Ron Paul but we can analyze and consider ideas without being a fan. Hillary people continue to try to rationalize their choice without considering the Progressive values that as Democrats we are supposed to share.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)MuseRider
(34,111 posts)Otherwise I stay mostly with my unaffiliated status. We do not have Independents here in Kansas, or did not since I came back for Bernie. We caucus so I have to be a Democrat. Tell you why, are you even interested? The Democratic party here is as right as any party. They tell you that you do not really get to represent another besides who they have chosen. At the second rounds of the caucus, I was told that it was Kerry or I could go home. Screw the people who sent me to caucus for another. I have friends that have been clawing their way to the top of the party and working hard to make it actually be liberal. We had a guy running things who wanted the party to accept anti abortion policies and anti gay policies, that is what it was. I help them as an unaffiliated person, when they need me to vote Democratic I change to the Dems IF the Dem is an actual liberal, I will never vote for someone espousing RW points. I have never voted for Ron Paul nor do I think he or Rand have a decent bone in their bodies with the exception of their anti war stances and that is all I really care to know about them. I toyed around with Nader because I live in Kansas, my vote has never actually counted on a National level, I could vote for Santa Claus and it would count as much as a vote for a Democrat. I did not vote for Nader, not for the reasons I usually see here spoken by people who hate the man regardless of the excellent things he has done for this nation before he ran against Bush**.
I find your comments stupid, clueless, rude and without merit. Unless someone has told you where they stood before, you have no fucking clue. You want to make Bernie supporters out to be horrible people? Clean your own house first.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Otherwise I stay mostly with my unaffiliated status.
Thank you for underscoring my premise.
I find your comments stupid, clueless, rude and without merit.
Backatcha, Muse.
You want to make Bernie supporters out to be horrible people?
They don't need no help from me. They're doing a fiiiine job all in their lonesome.
Clean your own house first.
We are. That's why I don't give in to snake-oil sales pitches that don't have any place in the real world. As clueless as I am, according to you, I know that everything Bernie's promised you and your fellow Berners is just a lot of rainbow farts because he's got NO friends in Congress, and everything he's promising you and what you appear to believe will ever happen, needs the cooperation of Congress. Seriously, you think he carries that kind of clout? I'm sorry if you find people who see through his pie-in-the-sky B.S. as a bunch of "stupid and clueless" people, but be rest assured, they have the same opinion of you and anyone who falls for Sanders' snake-oil sales pitches.
MuseRider
(34,111 posts)into being hidden but I can assure you what you have said here is absolute crap. You don't know but you sure seem to think you can pin things on people you do not know..Being unaffiliated is not being a Rand Paul supporter or a Nader supporter.
In Kansas many times there is no one running but a couple of republicans. If one is a horror and the other better it is easy to then move over and block the tea party people and I will do that if they are running unopposed or vote for the least likely to be able to beat a Democrat who is running. So take your "snake oil" and peddle it elsewhere. I had not wanted to block you but this is just disgusting as is the entire line of crap you are suggesting because you do not know anything about most of these people, your assumptions prove what people always say about assuming too much.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)And if the shoe doesn't fit, don't worry about it. But it does appear to fit a lot of other Sanders supporters on this site...even the ones I've deemed too intelligent to fall for his snake-oil. And yet, they do. It boggles the mind.
TommyCelt
(838 posts)...how many MORE times you can use
snake oilin a post.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)at least ten times.
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)Promise us a whole new take on the Star Wars saga this holiday season. have to say; i was not quite prepared for this kind of change.
Indydem
(2,642 posts)Truer words were never spoken.
The guy has a legislative record of approximately nothing.
He's run his mouth for years and not gotten anything done. Oh, I know, let's give him a bigger chair so he can be an even more ineffective joke!
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)"....because he's got NO friends in Congress..."
Correction:
He has no *paid-off or intimidated* friends in congress
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)quotation marks.
But fact remains, he's got NO allies, NO friends, NO clout in Congress, therefore, his pie-in-the-sky snake-oil ain't gonna sell so they're never going to come to fruition. I know. I know. It's painful to accept, but those be the hard trufe.
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)intimidating pejoratives you have for us, it may come as a surprise to you there is no 'acceptance pain' on this end. Like before, I think the pain may have to be swallowed by the other camp.
Regardless, I'm fine with voting for any of the 3 we have standing representing our side. My First choice, though, will not be swayed by any disparagement you dish our way.
Happy Holidays!
maggies farm
(79 posts)remember the Democratic Party before the DLC. Maybe one day the neoliberals will branch off like the tea-party and allow us to have our party back.
ecstatic
(32,712 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,317 posts)Like who? I know you can't name names, but a thread link would help. This is an extraordinary claim.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Lets see, we've been called Paulites, Putinistas.
ornotna
(10,803 posts)When did this start, all the way back in November?
bvf
(6,604 posts)Trouble is, the more they exercise it, the weaker it gets.
That ridiculous swipe totally ruined the rest of the post
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)Otherwise I would have liked this post very much. Some people here - and that does include a few Bernie supporters too - have no self-reflection or observation skills whatsoever.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)then slap us. I'm touched by some people's support. Really. And now, excuse me I have a thread to trash.
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)but i still recced because the article did mention the 1800 peops turn out
if talking about hc's potty time is the only way to get a sliver of news reported about bernie's huge turn outs, i can live with that
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)K and R
stage left
(2,962 posts)"scandal" about Hillary going to the bathroom. For God's sake. It's Trump that's disgusting.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)She had to use the bathroom. So what? Some folks need to get over it.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)had the reasoning capabilities to recognize a respectable time to go. instead we are all having to deal with the smell of if she already went.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,303 posts)you would know it's the most important thing going on in our nation right now by the way they've been talking about it on every show.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Is your memory that short?
This first link here had 53 recs before the OP apparently realized it shouldnt have been posted and took it down. And there were plenty of nasty, sexist responses to my OP, too, at the third link.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251931777
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=925496
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251931800
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... you claim there's "OP's right here with scores of recs disparaging Hillary for her bathroom use."
Why don't you leave playing the victim to Sarah Palin? Your poutrage is bullshit.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Jut because the poster decided to take it down doesn't mean it didn't happen -- and it drew lots of attention from people who wanted to insult Hillary,.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251931777
Scuba
(53,475 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)on the bathroom issue.
As Bernie himself would never stoop to do.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)"OP's" is plural, yet the only OP you can cite with "scores" of recs is a deleted post.
Why don't you focus on your chosen candidate's policy positions instead of being poutraged over some perceived slight by anonymous posters on a discussion board?
Perhaps you can provide a rationale for her speech and vote in support of Bush's Iraq war.
Perhaps you can provide a good reason for her vote against banning cluster bombs.
Perhaps you can explain why more H1B Visas would be good for American workers.
Perhaps you can explain why she pushed for fracking while SOS.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Why don't you acknowedge that sexism and discrimination against women are still real problems in this country?
And that the way ABC treated Hillary, the way many DUers are treating her, is all a part of it?
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... that Hillary's policy positions that I listed are a real problem, or are you OK with them?
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Leave the victim card behind and stand up for your candidate, if you can.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)questionseverything
(9,656 posts)which i personally thought was funny since regular woman potty in bathrooms with lots of other people in adjoining stalls all the time
Scuba
(53,475 posts)questionseverything
(9,656 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)realized it was both untrue and unfair to Hillary.
The O'Malley staffer was trying to spin the staffer's act of courtesy -- allowing the MOM staffer to use the bathroom before Hillary got there -- into an act of elitism. As if Hillary was too special to share the bathroom with her.
Hillary wasn't even there when the staffer asked to use the bathroom. And the staffer and Hillary must have passed each other as Hillary was going in.
The route from the stage to the bathroom had been timed at 1.75 minutes -- leaving Hillary only a minute and a half to use the bathroom before her return trip of 1.75 minutes. If she HAD stayed outside, waiting for the staffer to leave, she never would have gotten back to the stage as quickly as she did -- just seconds late. She OBVIOUSLY entered the bathroom as soon as she got there. She didn't dawdle outside or she would have had even less time than the minute and a half she was allowed.
Which is far less than most women need!
P.S. No one else seems to have noticed that the MOM staffer was hardly a neutral witness in this situation. She had a vested interest in making the opposition look bad.
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)this is a distraction from the issues facing the 99%...
i only told that poster what the deleted op was about because that was funny stuff ,it was you using that deleted op as a point that bernie supporters=bad, that compelled me
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)mountain grammy
(26,625 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251931777
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=925496
And there were plenty of nasty responses to my OP.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251931800
mountain grammy
(26,625 posts)I don't understand the constant need to use every issue to bash supporters of Bernie Sanders. It's so counter productive.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)And I haven't seen nearly as many people here bash Bernie personally as I've seen bash Hillary. Have you?
This poster was in your other OP.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)that is "bash anything Clinton". I will be honest, Bernie is my guy. But this senseless witch hunt of anything Clinton is tiring.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)she didn't just want to bake cookies in the White House
The nerve of that woman, thinking she should be able to accomplish something significant!
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)I have stated in the past that I don't agree with all of her positions, and have also said I will support her if she wins the nomination. That has earned me enemies in both camps. DU is tough these days.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)with hate talk like something Rush could have said.
Because at the end of the primary we all have to join together again and support whoever is the nominee.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)It makes me feel better that at least one person agrees with me.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)There are always excesses on all sides.
However, there is also legitimate, and spirited criticism of candidates, policies and institutional biases.
But too often legitimate disagreement and criticism of Clinton ,Obama or or anything that doesn't fit into a narrow template of "team spirit" is called "hate" and as "anti-Obama" and "Hillary hate" and all kind of other stuff.
Blanket statements like that are not helpful. They also create a feedback loop in which nastines begets nastiness.
Mbrow
(1,090 posts)Puglover
(16,380 posts)complete with a nasty puerile jab at his supporters.
Your one goal seems to stir shit.
But nice try.
Chemisse
(30,813 posts)I've been trying to stay out of the fray, and am undecided on who to support, yet I was actually banned from the Bernie Sanders group for this post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=87373
When you see something like this OP, about how great Bernie is, and how he sticks up for Hillary when attacks on her get so personal, it really makes you wonder how he would feel about how unwelcoming (to put it nicely) the Bernie camp is here at DU.
A little kindness goes a long way toward getting people to consider your viewpoint.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)They're just supporters of the most viable not-Clinton.
Which is why you see such disparity between the two.
MADem
(135,425 posts)The goal of that particular subset isn't to support Sanders, really...it's to USE him to whip up discontent and divisiveness within the Democratic Party.
Come primary day, they'll be voting for someone else. And chuckling.
George II
(67,782 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Let's just let the chips fall, shall we?
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)is in lockstep. I'm not asking for a link unless there is one detailing this grand and clever slight of vote by said subset. It just seems a bit too CT for me.
Chuckling, no less.
gordyfl
(598 posts)Although many voters like Bernie and his positions on the the issues (not all his positions necessarily), but it also helps to be "not Clinton".
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... are RW trolls who post anti-HRC/ anti-Democratic Party bullshit while using "I'm a Bernie supporter" as a shield to hide behind while doing so.
I would go on - but, ya know what? It's not even an argument worth making anymore.
Suffice to say that in the days of the Mods (who actually judged the appropriateness of posts based on the TOS, and not on their personal likes/dislikes of posters), this site was an awesome place for Democrats to gather and discuss.
Nowadays - not so much.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)How did you expect him to react?
MADem
(135,425 posts)His fans should take a cue from him:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128086196
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251931777
Logical
(22,457 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I do think a lot of the "internet behavior" on the part of some (not all) of the Sanders crew is less than stellar. I think some of them take their cues from some of Sanders' more abrasive staffers.
Clinton's supporters are less inclined to indulge in that sort of pointless poll freeping and creating armies of fake supporters by clicking, repeatedly.
This particular troll (see link), though, was funny--but it did kind of "out" what they do:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/sanders-supporters-hijack-fox-news-user-poll-give-bernie-41-of-total-vote/
eridani
(51,907 posts)It really only have been worth mentioning if she turned to OMalley and Sanders and said, "Boys don't you wash your hands?"
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)I heard them say that Hillary shouldn't have to go to the bathroom at all during the 2 hour debate; that she was acting like a queen; that she was attention-seeking, etc. etc. etc.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Paulie
(8,462 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I blame the whole thing on the network (and I think you'll agree). It would have been ridiculously easy to cover, and it should have been.
Paulie
(8,462 posts)Or running stories for days to shame Hillary? ABC must have just found out people go to the washroom, just like tRunp did...
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)The whole thing would be laughable if it did not involve choosing the leader of the most powerful country on earth.
Paulie
(8,462 posts)The corporate media doesn't care at all. They know they are entrenched and in power.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)of his supporters.
Not all. But, unfortunately, some of them had very nasty things to say.
But I wrote this OP more for people like you, actually.
Because the nasty ones I'm sure wouldn't learn anything from it -- considering they haven't learned anything from watching Bernie all this time.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)That was great!
Orrex
(63,216 posts)That's about as close to a perfect Trump-slam as you're going to see, and Sanders did it politely and with no crazed hyperbole.
If he makes turns out to be our candidate, then I will happily support him!
zentrum
(9,865 posts)
.very bad supporters love him!
Wonder of HRC or any of her supporters could ever say anything so gracious about him. Haven't heard it yet.
His wife is a lucky womanhe's always so gallant.
draa
(975 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)That is, those special glasses that allow some Democrats to only see the positive aspects of their preferred candidate, and the flaws (or smears) of the other.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)I have heard numerous HRC supporters at different times express admiration of Bernie, or of something Bernie said.
Unfortunately they are in the minority, but still I appreciate those folks and think there is a possibility of some of them coming over to the Bernster, in good time.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)And it did happen in 2008, when HRCers crossed over to O. So it could happen again. Let's hold the thought.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)What a perfect comment.
BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Thanks for the thread, pnwmom.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)of Smelly Dumpgate, with a panel of four right wing Republicans and one conciliatory DINO who agree with the Republicans on virtually everything next on Fox "News."
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)That she needed privacy in the bathroom for that reason.
And the posts are still there, unhidden.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)fucking awesome!
Another reason I can get behind ALL our candidates. Democrats rock!
Hekate
(90,714 posts)As you say: "If only all of his supporters could react as well as he does."
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Yep that sounds about right. I don't want to be there when T-Rump learns what tampons are used for other than to stop bad nosebleeds.
Maybe this will help bring some attention to a more serious issue. In Minnesota women went to the legislators over bathroom disparity. We got some extra stalls out of the deal. But, I would like to see the time issue addressed as well. Women need a bit longer time in the bathroom at work and often we are treated badly when we need that time. Anyone who has faced the issue knows what I am talking about, that 3 minutes being back late from lunch or a 15 just because well stuff happens.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)MelissaB
(16,420 posts)Antonio Porchia... Voces (1943)
My dignity asks him who does me no harm to do me no harm. Of him who harms me it asks nothing.
Stryder
(450 posts)What's not to love about this guy?
I wonder how long Trump could play, "I know you are but what am I?"
in an actual debate with Bernie.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)tblue37
(65,408 posts)get to the restroom, since the men's room was right there and the women's room some distance away. The HRC campaign raised the issue with ABC. There was no need for that idiot male moderator to highlight the issue. On live TV, professionals (vs. wet behind the ears coiffures like Muir) know how to stretch to cover for such things. The idiot cameraman also could have kept the camera pointed away until HRC made it to the podium. But noooooo. They just HAD to make sure millions of viewers knew she went potty and took longer than the men did.
Women naturally take longer--for many reasons. And shorter legs don't walk as fast as longer ones, either. The whole thing seems like a set up by male broadcasters to make fun of a woman's need to pee.
There is a kid's book called Everybody Poops. Maybe these jerks need to read one called Everybody Pees.
I love Bernie. Such a mensch!
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)is that I read that they had actually timed it. Walking quickly, it took her 3.5 minutes round-trip in transit time alone. Out of a total of 5 minutes allotted.
It's amazing she got back as fast as she did.
And then yesterday -- did you see the OP with all the recs? People were criticizing Hillary because her staff member, who'd been posted at the door to keep the room safe for her, allowed an O'Malley assistant to go in first. The spin was that Hillary was too special to use the bathroom at the same time as the staffer -- while ignoring the consideration Hillary's staffer had shown the woman by letting her go first.
And I think the O'Malley staffer was just telling a story to make Hillary look bad. Hillary probably arrived there, with her Secret Service protection, just as this woman was leaving. Because Hillary still managed to get in and out of the restroom and back to the stage just a few SECONDS late.
They just felt like very long seconds, because no one knew where she was or why she was gone.
tblue37
(65,408 posts)HRC and BS supporters get nasty, but it seems that the most virulent ones are among tge most prolific posters. It does make DU suck.
I hope Bernie takes the nomination, but I will strongly support Hillary if she is our candidate. Heck, I like MOM, too. We are lucky to have such excellent people to choose from, especially comparex to the yahoos on the Republican side.
All the bloodletting here on DU reminds me of the Judean People's Front fighting against the People's Front if Judea. Savaging either of the people who will be our candidate is just foolish.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)so presumably they'd have had to check the bathroom and clear it before she went in - there's a couple minutes right there. This whole thing is so stupid.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)was stupidity or deliberate sabotage. I don't see any other possibilities.
tblue37
(65,408 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 23, 2015, 03:18 PM - Edit history (1)
expose HRC to ridicule from infantile minds. And I don't believe their bosses were displeased about it. In fact, they might have been encouraged from the top, since her lateness in the last debate exposed her vulnerability in that matter.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.
(I hasten to add, not all males. Just the ones with infantile minds.)
aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)Never enough.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)But no, behaving with common decency isn't enough of a reason, in and of itself, to vote for him.
AllyCat
(16,192 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)I had written an OP criticizing ABC news for its very poor handling of the situation.
I didn't say a word about Bernie or any of his supporters. My OP was only about Hillary and how badly ABC behaved.
So I was shocked and disappointed with how many Bernie supporters responded not with sympathy, as Bernie did, but with rude insults directed toward Hillary: claiming that she wouldn't be capable of handling a 3 a m call due to her bladder issues; that something must be wrong with her health if she needs to go during a two hour period; that she was an attention-seeker; that she thought she was too "special"; that the incident was "debate theater."
All of the Bernie supporters who responded that way, to my OP and others, should be ashamed of themselves.
But instead, people like you are defending them.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Got booted from the Bernie group for expressing such, even though those expressions were not uttered in the Bernie group.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)are way out of line and anyone who supports them are behaving very badly. The simple reality though is that we see nasty comments against Bernie and his supporters all the time. I realize that it is not possible to know for certain who does it the most or the worst since we are all biased even if we try not to be.
However, lately the shenanigans pulled by Debbie Wasserman-Shultz has really upset a lot of people and with a number of Hillary supporters defending this and even blaming Bernie personally for this affair and some even claiming he was personally and directly involved led many to suspect or perhaps just acting defensively - they think the Hillary campaign was involved in this fiasco.
The recent behavior by the DNC Chair really stunned a lot of people and left them fuming and bitter. Still those bathroom remarks and supporting them is way, way out of line and just downright stupid.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)directed at Hillary ever since she said she didn't come to the White House as First Lady just to bake cookies.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)Bernie - but I don't think nasty remarks - especially ones with sexist overtones are acceptable. But the simple reality is that there are some very nasty remarks directed against Sen. Sanders and his supporters here - every single day and the DNC leadership has not been a neutral party.
This is from one very popular poster who always gets a lot of praise from many in the pro-Hillary crowd and who in other post has made the most outlandish personal accusations against Bernie and has said openly in other posts that she would support Trump over Bernie:
blockquote]
129. I pledge to support Hillary if she is the nominee? Do you pledge to support Bernie if he is the nominee?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=868787
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131. Absolutely not
I'm a Democrat. He is NOT a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him if you held a gun to my head, just like I would never and have never voted for a republican in my 38 years of voting. In fact in the minuscule chance that he was nominated I would never give another red cent to the party, knock doors, or phone bank for Dems.
Not in a million fucking years. And frankly, at least 50% of that feeling could be credited to his supporters who have spent the last several years smearing the shit out of real Democrats.
So no, never, ever, ever would I vote for him. Never.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=868804
gordyfl
(598 posts)I agree. Whether Hillary arrives back on stage on time or not does not help the shrinking middle class.
Hillary has only shown up at...what has it been...three scheduled debates? She has been late coming back to the stage twice. Two out of three?
In 2008 she and Obama had something like 20 debates, or more. Was she ever late then? I can't recall. Probably not.
Has Carly Fiorina ever been late coming back on stage? I don't think so.
I'm suspecting she enjoys making a grandstand appearance. Keep them waiting. Then follow through with "Sorry". It'll make the headlines, and at the same time get away from talking about the real issues.
Here we are, along with Trump and the media, talking about Hillary's lateness, rather than talking about Medicare, minimum wage, etc.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)not being deliberately sexist.
Older buildings often have poor facilities for women compared to men. Old building codes didn't require as many restrooms for women as for men. Did you know that? Did you know that time and motion studies in the 80's resulted in new building codes, when researchers with stop watches discovered that women needed twice as much time as men to do the same thing? We can't just whip it out and hang it over the urinal.
But it's even worse than that because, as I already mentioned, they don't always pair men's and ladies' rooms. In the case of ABC's building, the closest women's bathroom was significantly farther away from the stage then the men's. It was as simple as that.
The allotted time was only 5 minutes. Hillary's aide had already helped her time the trip with a stopwatch. Walking quickly, it took her 3.5 minutes out of the break time just walking back and forth. Which left her only a minute and a half to take care of business in the bathroom, including washing her hands.
And yet she was only seconds late.
And now people like you are criticizing her instead of ABC, for aiming the camera at the empty podium and making a point of starting without her.
Wow. I can't believe the people who think of themselves as progressives. Get a clue.
gordyfl
(598 posts)24 Debates in 2008 (as I stated). Did she practice with a stop watch in those debates. Who knows?
No lateness by Hillary in all those debates.
2015 - Twice late (CNN & ABC) so far. I believe that 2 out of 3. (as I stated).
Just wondering...did she practice with a stop watch in the CNN Debate?
Here we are discussing Hillary's lateness, again, instead of the shrinking middle class.
PS: Get a clue.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)Now if only Bernie would let loose some Yiddish on Trump. Bernie can bring it. He could get away with calling Trump a putz.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)And I don't believe that's particularly vulgar.
Trump is also a schmuck, although I object when I hear that term bandied about by people who obviously don't know what it really means.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=schmuck
I don't think Bernie would ever use that term, but obviously I'm not as classy as Bernie..... ;->
PosterChild
(1,307 posts)PADemD
(4,482 posts)Bernie and Martin should wait off stage for Hillary so that all three can enter the stage together.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)but I doubt either was expecting the petty behavior from the network.
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)that is going to raise a question in me. I mean, he's only human.
But no. Not in the debate. Not in the media. He is the real deal and I completely trust and believe in him.
He's a class act, true to his values, never wavering, and authentic to the core.
What you see is what you get, with Bernie.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)as part of the Muslim boots on the ground?
Since Iran and Syria are terrible enemies, do you think that is a good plan?
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)as I don't really know, to be honest.
What he has said, that I have heard, and agree with, is that Muslim armies and countries should be the first line of defense against ISIL, and not the U.S.
It is not appropriate for America be the policeman of the world. It puts our country at unacceptable risk in many arenas.
What I will say, is that without knowing more regarding this or any other issue, I would tend to give him the benefit of the doubt, until I research the issue personally, and come to my own conclusion.
How's that?
mgmaggiemg
(869 posts)the campaigns shenanigans have deprived him of losing with honor...not shocked that they did it at all...now instead of losing with honor he will have his nose rubbed in it....HRC 2016...voters will now not vote for the locals that support him....I thought o'malley did better than Bernie and HRC aced it saturday....as for Trump look up xenophobic racist misogynist bigot in the dictionary and you will see Trumps face cheers, Maggie
deathrind
(1,786 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And those who do are the most aggregiously offensive.
But when you cannot win the war of ideas, that's what you must do, apparently.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)language as used by some of his supporters in response to the bathroom incident?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)With numbered lists....of supposed crap Sanders supporters believe. There's the accusations of racism, white supremacy and many many others.
You already know all this.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Posts like this make me glad my GD: P block doesn't seem to work right on the tablet.
"If only all of his supporters could react as well as he does.
I don't know why so many here think it helps their cause to rudely disparage her."
Really.
SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)gordyfl
(598 posts)I heard Debbie Wasserman Schultz say Bernie was an honest man while she was being interviewed about the data breach.
Was she just being honest? I assume so. Maybe she was being "extra nice" and courteous so Bernie would drop the lawsuit.
Regardless, it was a nice thing she said.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)to hearing about the data breach, and so do I, FWIW.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Will wonders never cease. Now if she'd resign I'd really appreciate her.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Lest we forget about the ex-wife and the rape assertion.
comradebillyboy
(10,154 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)on here? She was a few minutes late, big fucking deal!
Dem2
(8,168 posts)I do enjoy his wry humor and integrity. He showed that dems will stick together against his vile misogyny.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)supporters yesterday discussing this-and they pointed out the obvious:
Womens bathrooms are conveniently located Several Hundred Feet Further "down the hall" than mens at most All venues. It's gonna take extra time walking to and fro. It's gonna take extra time to just prep to be seated on the throne-Men usually Don't have to disrobe to pee and then reassemble to be presentable once again. It just "is"
This GOP's "BathroomGateRant" is the Biggest Farce Yet! Yet it's also oddly comforting-If this was the Only thing they could find to complain about post Dem debate-then that is a mark of Success. Granted I no longer watch the fictionally based sitcom aka "corponews"...But I haven't really heard/read anything of substance re: policies complained about Or discussed from the sociopathic/anti-social crowd (gop).
Vinca
(50,279 posts)I do not like statements that begin with "If only all of his supporters . . ." We are not a monolith. We are individuals with differing opinions of Hillary Clinton.
lark
(23,108 posts)However, if he's not the general election D nominee, I'll still vote blue. Can't sit home and let Cruz/Rubio or shudder Trump take the presidency, don't think we'd survive that well.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Not everything out of an idiot's mouth is a scandal.
Laser102
(816 posts)Larkspur
(12,804 posts)It's her willingness to screw American Tech workers, young and experienced, with cheap foreign indentured servants via expanding H1B/L1 Visas.
It's her willingness to prostitute herself to Wall Street fraudsters who help fund her campaign.
and the Clinton knack for lying, a.k.a. triangulating.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)We are well aware as is Skinner that this sort of thing will be moot come March 1.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)And as a bonus, funny too. I too wish that some of the Sanders supporters would be as gracious (and smart) as their candidate.
Well done, Bernie.
Duval
(4,280 posts)Made me smile, too, on this rainy day. Thanks!
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)I might have missed those posts because I have the posters on Ignore. Can you provide links? Your statement
still_one
(92,223 posts)out, so they risk a potential hide by doing it
still_one
(92,223 posts)Trump of having unusual relationships with women. Does he "personally know that"?
Now he has created more attention to Trump
I have no doubt those outraged when Hillary attacked Trump's anti-Muslim rants, as possible inducement for some toward extremism, will join in this outrage also
chervilant
(8,267 posts)which is daily, if not multiple times a day, I keep looking for all the vile posts that warrant this:
I don't know why so many here think it helps their cause to rudely disparage her.
Where are all these vile posts? I'm not seeing them.
Like many other Sanders supporters, I am working hard to get his message out there, so that he will be our next POTUS. That is the focus of my energy, NOT vilifying HRC.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)This first link here had 53 recs before the OP apparently realized it shouldnt have been posted and took it down.
The posts below are a mixture of people defending and attacking Hillary about the bathroom situation. They're not ALL bad. But a significant number are.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251931777
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=925496
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251931800
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Of course then they wouldn't be in favor of TPP, NAFTA, for profit healthcare, for profit charter schools, for profit prisons, and more war. No principles = no class
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Bernie's supporters had 1% of his class.
Is that statement offensive? It's equally offensive for you to make that statement about Hillary supporters.
And equally wrong.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)When the rumors spread that Obama was a Muslim, Hillary jumped to his defense with, "as far as I know, he's not a Muslim". Hopefully this will clear up for some people why we believe Sanders would be a far better president.
KentuckyWoman
(6,688 posts)another kickety kick.
His sense of humor is really good.
L. Coyote
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ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)Perfect comment
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)polmaven
(9,463 posts)will probably claim she was delayed because the e-mails she was sending from her phone took longer than she expected.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Turbineguy
(37,343 posts)the most mundane becomes a scandal.
ornotna
(10,803 posts)All of his supporters suck!